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Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2260451)

If you put hexes on the card where you place the figures, they could attack each other while in the car, also you could designate the Driver's seat.

If you’re going to go this level of complexity, I think Tornado hit the nail on the head here. Are the cards big enough to allow this? Maybe a reverse side image?

This would also allow you to have an “inside the vehicle battle” ala Deadpool, which would be sweet.

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So I think we have two realistic options here:

1. Put a space on the cards to designate a driver, then do as quozl says and have all other passengers basically be all engaged/in clear sight within the vehicle, but not with designated spaces. There should be room on the cars to achieve this, IMO.

2. Create an addition to the cards/extra printable strip of hexes to fit all the figures on. I just don't see any way that a multiple passenger vehicle would be able to fit hexes for each passenger on the card itself.

Thoughts? Preferences? Votes for preferences?

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I prefer to have the hexes on the card over a single hex. I believe you can fit two on a normal card really easily. More would be more difficult but you could superimpose the hexes over the text and art for up to seven hexes on a card.
I would like to hear from the art team as they have to do the extra work here.
Though I may be able to help here once I get Photoshop.

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Since the figures in the vehicle are in the vehicle and not on the board, with LOS and range now being counted from a vehicle that may only cover 2 hexes itself, we don't really need the spaces inside the vehicle to be hex shaped for any reason do we? Could we just have a block of 4 square spaces for the 4 seats in a passenger card? Two front seats & two back seats.

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As long as they can reasonably fit standard sized bases, I think it's OK to go non-hex.

Knowing how we like to fill out the power text area on Army Cards I worry how putting spaces for each passenger will restrict us. Is that even doable for the Mole Machine, for instance?

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What if the the vehicle seating arrangement chart was on the back of the card? You would have to flip it over anytime someone was in the vehicle, but most of them shouldn't be to complicated a power set that you need to constantly re-read the powers. Maybe include some 'basic' side info like def. and life along side the seating chart.

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I don't like that idea. Because the whole reason to have cards is to be able to reference the special powers. We shouldn't make that a chore for folks.

I guess we should consult the art team before going any further to see what they're capable of on this, what they think would be a good idea for the aesthetics of the project, and whether any of them would be up for spearheading the art side of things for this!
@Scapemage @Arkham @tcglkn @japes @A3n

That's all the reasonably active art dept. members I can think of. Let me know if I missed anyone.

Basically what we're trying to do here, art team, is create Vehicle Destructible Objects that include designations for where the passengers are sitting, especially the drivers.

I came up with these two potential options:

1. Put a space on the cards to designate a driver, then do as quozl says and have all other passengers basically be all engaged/in clear sight within the vehicle, but not with designated spaces. There should be room on the cars to achieve this, IMO.

2. Create an addition to the cards/extra printable strip of hexes to fit all the figures on. I just don't see any way that a multiple passenger vehicle would be able to fit hexes for each passenger on the card itself.

Tornado chimed in with a third potential option:

3. I prefer to have the hexes on the card over a single hex. I believe you can fit two on a normal card really easily. More would be more difficult but you could superimpose the hexes over the text and art for up to seven hexes on a card.

and Yodaking a fourth:

4. What if the the vehicle seating arrangement chart was on the back of the card? You would have to flip it over anytime someone was in the vehicle, but most of them shouldn't be to complicated a power set that you need to constantly re-read the powers. Maybe include some 'basic' side info like def. and life along side the seating chart.

I would personally be against anything that made it difficult to reference the special powers on the card. But the point of this post is to hear from you fine folks in the Art Department. Thoughts? Feelings? General apathy? Excited engagement? :-D

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

I don't like that idea. Because the whole reason to have cards is to be able to reference the special powers. We shouldn't make that a chore for folks.

I guess we should consult the art team before going any further to see what they're capable of on this, what they think would be a good idea for the aesthetics of the project, and whether any of them would be up for spearheading the art side of things for this!

@Scapemage
@Arkham
@tcglkn
@japes
@A3n

That's all the reasonably active art dept. members I can think of. Let me know if I missed anyone.

Basically what we're trying to do here, art team, is create Vehicle Destructible Objects that include designations for where the passengers are sitting, especially the drivers.

I came up with these two potential options:

1. Put a space on the cards to designate a driver, then do as quozl says and have all other passengers basically be all engaged/in clear sight within the vehicle, but not with designated spaces. There should be room on the cars to achieve this, IMO.

2. Create an addition to the cards/extra printable strip of hexes to fit all the figures on. I just don't see any way that a multiple passenger vehicle would be able to fit hexes for each passenger on the card itself.

Tornado chimed in with a third potential option:

3. I prefer to have the hexes on the card over a single hex. I believe you can fit two on a normal card really easily. More would be more difficult but you could superimpose the hexes over the text and art for up to seven hexes on a card.

and Yodaking a fourth:

4. What if the the vehicle seating arrangement chart was on the back of the card? You would have to flip it over anytime someone was in the vehicle, but most of them shouldn't be to complicated a power set that you need to constantly re-read the powers. Maybe include some 'basic' side info like def. and life along side the seating chart.

I would personally be against anything that made it difficult to reference the special powers on the card. But the point of this post is to hear from you fine folks in the Art Department. Thoughts? Feelings? General apathy? Excited engagement? :-D

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

What is the issue you are trying to solve with all that? (sorry I don't have the time read through the thread atm)

Why does it matter who is driving? This is a game not a simulation. KISS!

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

Unfortunately KISS has failed the fun test with our testers, which means we're opening it up to make figures in Vehicles more of a part of the battlefield.

This means allowing for clear sight into vehicles, which means an occupying figure could potentially be mind controlled. Which means you could potentially have two figures of different armies occupying the same vehicle.

Which, under the current rules set, would make the vehicle get automatically destroyed. But if I drop 200 points for the Batmobile or something and someone String Pulls my Batman while Robin is riding shotgun and that auto destroys my Batmobile, that kinda sucks.

However if there are designated spaces for the figures to occupy, we can change the "auto-destroy" rules.

Does that make sense? Briefest rundown I could give without leaving out essential information.

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I think there's a simpler solution than designating spaces and occupancy and stuff - "if a vehicle is occupied, opponent's figures cannot enter that vehicle. If a figure's controller would change while it occupies the vehicle, if that vehicle is occupied by multiple figures, that player must first remove the figure they are taking control of from the vehicle." Or something like that. He automatically jumps out (or gets kicked out). Doesn't always make sense but it's a game not a simulation, yadda yadda yadda.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

That is an option that would let us otherwise continue with the direction we're heading in now. What do you guys think - Tornado and Yodaking especially since you were arguing for the designated driver direction?

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Sounds easier but not as cool. :)
The last version failed from too.much simplicity and not enough fun.

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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2261146)

Sounds easier but not as cool. :)
The last version failed from too.much simplicity and not enough fun.

This is kind of where I'm at with it, but in the end you all can go in what ever direction you want. Not everyone has to use every set of optional rules. As such I think you'll get more people using a new set of optional rules if those rules go big and introduce a new layer of fun to a game. KISS here and it just comes off a bit boring IMO.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

If we can figure out the art side of things and that doesn’t stonewall progress here, I side with Tornado and Yodaking. Enemy figures fighting it out inside a moving car is such a superhero trope! I want to embrace that if we can.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

I think it will play similar either way if we say that are all adjacent.
I just feel like we can do a little more if we go all out. More thoughts later.

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Looks forward to it!

I actually think having a physical place to put them will keep things simpler for the rules, fwiw. It's a lot more intuitive to know what to do when there's a physical place for the figures.

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Those were pretty much my thoughts as well.

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman (Post 2261190)

This. :up:

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Are you guys forgetting that we already have vehicle rules?

If you follow through the vehicle rules thread you will see that we discussed a lot of this already. Bat's you were even the one against having different sized cards to accommodate the placement of figures.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

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Originally Posted by A3n (Post 2261431)

No, we're not forgetting that. We took a run at draftable vehicles under those rules and they were not popular, so we were looking to retool.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

I'd still prefer to avoid different sized cards if possible, but I suppose it's an option that could be put on the table.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

The hex overlay is a decent and reasonably doable option. It doesn't require changing the size of the card or printing on the back.

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Would that obscure the text/make it hard to read? I mean, I know you'd have figures there and could just pick them up, but would it disrupt things otherwise?

Also, how would you propose distinguishing the driver?

Thanks for chiming in here!

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The hexes would be transparent, kind of like a watermark. The driver one could be in full color.

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I don't suppose you'd be willing to do a mock up on like the Sports Car or Mole Machine something to give us an example (don't want to put too much on your plate).

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How many occupants would the Sports Car hold? If the PSD is on the server, I can take a look at it, but it's not living near the top of my to-do list right now.

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According to their current cards (and I assume we'd stick with this) the Sports Car has an occupancy of 2 and the Mole Machine has an occupancy of 4.

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Now the Mole Machine is a bit tricky, as you cannot fit four hexes in a straight line on a card, 3 max. You could offset the driver though, that could work.
Thanks Scape!

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Wouldn’t need to be a straight line. Couldn’t you do more of a cluster?

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman (Post 2261525)

Wouldn’t need to be a straight line. Couldn’t you do more of a cluster?

Do the hexes need to be full size? Do they even need to be hexes?

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

A square the same size as a clix base should work.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

Taking another shot at this with the idea that figures are occupying both the spaces the vehicle occupies and the spaces on the vehicle card. Please read it over carefully and let me know if there's anything I'm missing!

I added in two things you might not notice at first:

1. I only made figures inside a vehicle adjacent/engaged if enemies if the vehicle is Large or smaller. I figured with Huge vehicles we would have more extensive maps so engagement would not be a given. I do worry about "bigger on the inside" vehicles like the TARDIS for that, but maybe that should be distinguished as Huge anyway, because it's not like Magneto should really be throwing it around.

2. Since only the Player whose figure is occupying the Driver space now controls the Vehicle, I changed the rules for Exiting the Vehicle to be at the cost of an unblockable die. I figured if you're not driving they're not slowing down or parking for you, so you're basically jumping out of a moving Vehicle at your own risk. I did restrict the penalty to figures without Super Strength, though, since that seems thematic.

Anyway, newest version below!

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Changes proposed for the Destructible Objects – Vehicles rules/Rules proposed for Enclosed Structures:

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Changes to Vehicle Destructible Objects Rules:

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These C3G Vehicle Rules cover the following areas: •Drafting Vehicles • Entering Vehicles • Occupying Vehicles •Partial and Full Cover • Moving Vehicles • Exiting Vehicles • Destroying Vehicles

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EXAMPLE 1: Vehicle Card Like the Official Destructible Objects cards, the Vehicle Destructible Objects cards that are affected by this rule set have a similar appearance but with a few inclusions.

Uniqueness: Whether a Vehicle is Unique or Common.

Occupancy: The number value indicates the number of figures that can occupy the Vehicle.

Size/Height: The Size and Height indicate the Vehicle’s actual size and height as per the standard Heroscape game mechanics, but also by their inclusion symbolize that this Destructible Object is compatible with the throwing rules from the C3G Destructible Objects rule set.
Partial Cover/Full Cover: This indicates whether a Vehicle offers Partial Cover or Full Cover for occupying figures.

Move: Because these Destructible Objects are Vehicles, a Move value is included to allow their movement across the battlefield as described in the standard Heroscape rules.

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ENTERING VEHICLES

A figure may enter a Vehicle by ending its movement on a space adjacent to the Vehicle if it meets the following criteria:

• Your figure’s size must be smaller than that of the Vehicle. Refer to Example 1 to identify the Vehicle’s size on its Army Card. NOTE - The size of a figure is located on the left hand side of its Army Card next to its height. The different sizes are ordered from smallest to largest as follows: Tiny, Small, Medium, Large, and Huge.
• The current occupancy of the Vehicle must be less than the Occupancy number of the Vehicle. The occupancy designation on a Vehicle Army Card shows the number of figures that may occupy a Vehicle. A figure can only enter a Vehicle if that Vehicle has fewer figures on its Army Card than its Occupancy number (example: If a car has an Occupancy number of 2, but only has 1 figure placed on its Army Card, a 2nd figure can enter that car).
• There are enough empty spaces to legally place that figure in the Vehicle.
• Some Vehicles may have specific entrances/exits marked on the figure itself. In this case the Vehicle can only be entered or exited from empty spaces within one space in the direction that the entrance/exit is directly facing.

Figures entering Vehicles do not receive any passing swipes from enemy figures occupying that Vehicle. Once a figure Enters a Vehicle, it should be placed on any empty space or spaces on that Vehicle’s Army Card.

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DRAFTING VEHICLES
Vehicle Destructible Objects (VDOs) act like figure Army Cards in that they have an associated point cost listed on them. VDOs are drafted the same way as Army Cards. There is no limit (except point cost!) to the number of different VDOs you can draft, and you can draft any number of the same Uncommon VDOs (indicated in the leftbox). However, like figure Army Cards, each player cannot draft more than one of the same Unique VDO Army Card (indicated in the leftbox).

Like Army Cards, VDOs each have an associated figure that is placed in the controlling player's start zone at the start of the game and are considered in that player's Army. However, a VDO is not considered under a player's control unless that player has one or more figures occupying that VDO (see more below).

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OCCUPYING VEHICLES

Figures occupying a Vehicle are still considered on the battlefield, controlled by the Player whose Army they are in[B], occupying the same space or spaces as that Vehicle for the purpose of counting spaces for range and power selection, but are not affected by any special terrain rules for that space. Figures inside a Vehicle that is Large or smaller are considered adjacent to each other and the Vehicle itself, but are never considered adjacent to or engaged with figures outside of the Vehicle. If enemy figures occupy the same Large or smaller Vehicle, they are considered engaged.

Each Vehicle has a designated space for the Driver. If a figure you control is the only figure occupying a Vehicle or if a figure you control is occupying the designated Driver space in a Vehicle, you now control that Vehicle.

A figure occupying a Vehicle may still have Order Markers placed and revealed on its Army Card. However, Order Markers cannot be placed on the Vehicle’s Army Card.

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PARTIAL COVER AND FULL COVER

As denoted in the left box of each Vehicle, Vehicles can be Partial Cover or Full Cover.

Figures occupying Vehicles with Full Cover are never in clear sight of figures outside of that Vehicle and never have clear sight on figures outside of that Vehicle.

Vehicles with Partial Cover do allow for clear sight between figures occupying that Vehicle and figures on the outside. Partial Cover Vehicles are those with windows or other openings that allow for clear sight. These clear sight openings will be marked on Army Cards by the green target points on the Vehicle’s Hit Zone. Clear sight can only be traced through these target points.

When a figure occupying a Partial Cover Vehicle targets a figure outside of that Vehicle, they should use the target point for that Vehicle to trace line of sight and range. When a figure outside of a Partial Cover Vehicle targets a figure occupying that Vehicle, they should use the target points for that Vehicle as the hit zone for any occupying figure.

Unless a special power indicates otherwise, a figure can only target one figure occupying a Vehicle at a time. If, however, a special power targets or chooses a space and the space the Vehicle occupies is chosen, the Vehicle and all figures occupying the Vehicle are affected.¬

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MOVING VEHICLES

In addition to the Size, Life, and Defense values contained on destructible object cards, Vehicles have a Movement value. After revealing an Order Marker on one of your Army Cards, instead of moving normally with all of the figures associated with that card, if one of the figures from that card occupies the Driver space a Vehicle, you may move that Vehicle.
You may only move a Vehicle once for each Order Marker you reveal.

When moving the Vehicle, follow standard movement rules, with one exception: Vehicles and occupying figures do not make or receive leaving engagement attacks against figures outside of the Vehicle.
If a Vehicle would be moved, any figures occupying it stay in that Vehicle and are moved with it. If any of the occupants cannot be moved for any reason, that Vehicle cannot be moved.

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EXITING VEHICLES

After moving a Vehicle you control, you may place a figure from the Vehicle’s Army Card on an empty space adjacent to the Vehicle. You may exit with any or all of your figures on the same turn. If that figure was engaged with any other figures occupying the Vehicle prior to moving, it will take any leaving engagement attacks. The figure that moved the Vehicle may now complete its turn. Remember, the figure that moved the Vehicle did so at the expense of its normal movement.

[B]If you wish to have one of your figures exit a Vehicle you do not control, you may have that figure Exit instead of moving normally on its turn. If that figure does not have the Super Strength special power, before exiting with that figure, roll one unblockable attack die against it. When your figure exits a Vehicle, place that figure on any empty space adjacent to the Vehicle.

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DESTROYING VEHICLES

If a Vehicle receives enough wounds to be destroyed, any excess wounds beyond what it takes to destroy the structure are immediately inflicted on any figures on top of the structure and occupying the structure. After removing the destroyed Vehicle from the battlefield, place all figures that remain on top of the structure on spaces previously occupied by the destroyed structure. Figures moved when the structure is destroyed never take any leaving engagement attacks but will receive any falling damage that may apply.

Then place each remaining figure occupying the Vehicle on a space or spaces previously occupied by the destroyed Vehicle. If a figure that was occupying a destroyed structure cannot be placed on a legal space or spaces, that figure is immediately destroyed.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

Good ideas on the jumping out of a moving car with/without SS.

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Thanks! I had it all typed up with everyone getting the wounds and was making the post when I was like: wait, if you have Super Strength that should be no big deal!

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I like it (and you still don't need spaces inside the vehicle).

However, in your point #1, I'll remind you that Huge objects can be thrown.

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Yes, true, but less often at least. Like Magneto (II) can do it, but not Magneto (I) for instance. So Huge at least restricts it.

Edit: And the TARDIS should be Huge anyway, because Large figures should be able to Occupy it.

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I'll wait for some more weigh ins, but if we all end up feeling good about things after today, I'll try to make some edits, cut out irrelevant parts, and type up an Enclosed Structure version tomorrow/later this week/once enough folks have chimed in.

Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Public Testing)

I propose we make the changes outlined below to the Vehicle Destructible Object rules in order to create rules for Vehicle Destructible Objects you can draft and occupy with figures from more than one player that we can return to public testing along with the Sports Car VDO.

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman (Post 2262546)

Spoiler Alert!

Changes proposed for the Destructible Objects – Vehicles rules/Rules proposed for Enclosed Structures:

(Changes in bold)

Changes to Vehicle Destructible Objects Rules:

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ENTERING VEHICLES

A figure may enter a Vehicle [B]only by moving on to a space adjacent to the Vehicle during your turn and if it meets the following criteria:

• Your figure’s size must be smaller than that of the Vehicle. Refer to Example 1 to identify the Vehicle’s size on its Army Card. NOTE - The size of a figure is located on the left hand side of its Army Card next to its height. The different sizes are ordered from smallest to largest as follows: Tiny, Small, Medium, Large, and Huge.
• The current occupancy of the Vehicle must be less than the Occupancy number of the Vehicle. The occupancy designation on a Vehicle Army Card shows the number of figures that may occupy a Vehicle. A figure can only enter a Vehicle if that Vehicle has fewer figures on its Army Card than its Occupancy number (example: If a car has an Occupancy number of 2, but only has 1 figure placed on its Army Card, a 2nd figure can enter that car).
• There are enough empty spaces to legally place that figure in the Vehicle.
• Some Vehicles may have specific entrances/exits marked on the figure itself. In this case the Vehicle can only be entered or exited from empty spaces within one space in the direction that the entrance/exit is directly facing.

Figures entering Vehicles do not receive any passing swipes from enemy figures occupying that Vehicle. Once a figure Enters a Vehicle, it should be placed on any empty space or spaces on that Vehicle’s Army Card.

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DRAFTING VEHICLES

Vehicle Destructible Objects (VDOs) act like figure Army Cards in that they have an associated point cost listed on them. VDOs are drafted the same way as Army Cards. There is no limit (except point cost!) to the number of different VDOs you can draft, and you can draft any number of the same Uncommon VDOs (indicated in the leftbox). However, like figure Army Cards, each player cannot draft more than one of the same Unique VDO Army Card (indicated in the leftbox).

Like Army Cards, VDOs each have an associated figure that is placed in the controlling player's start zone at the start of the game and are considered in that player's Army. However, a VDO is not considered under a player's control unless that player has one or more figures occupying that VDO (see more below).

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OCCUPYING VEHICLES

Figures occupying a Vehicle are still considered on the battlefield, controlled by the Player whose Army they are in, occupying the same space or spaces as that Vehicle for the purpose of counting spaces for range and power selection, but are not affected by any special terrain rules for that space. Figures inside a Vehicle that is Large or smaller are considered adjacent to each other and the Vehicle itself, but are never considered adjacent to or engaged with figures outside of the Vehicle. If enemy figures occupy the same Large or smaller Vehicle, they are considered engaged.

Each Vehicle has a designated space for the Driver. If a figure you control is the only figure occupying a Vehicle or if a figure you control is occupying the designated Driver space in a Vehicle, you now control that Vehicle.

A figure occupying a Vehicle may still have Order Markers placed and revealed on its Army Card. However, Order Markers cannot be placed on the Vehicle’s Army Card.

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PARTIAL COVER AND FULL COVER

As denoted in the left box of each Vehicle, Vehicles can be Partial Cover or Full Cover.

Figures occupying Vehicles with Full Cover are never in clear sight of figures outside of that Vehicle and never have clear sight on figures outside of that Vehicle.

Vehicles with Partial Cover do allow for clear sight between figures occupying that Vehicle and figures on the outside. Partial Cover Vehicles are those with windows or other openings that allow for clear sight. These clear sight openings will be marked on Army Cards by the green target points on the Vehicle’s Hit Zone. Clear sight can only be traced through these target points.

When a figure occupying a Partial Cover Vehicle targets a figure outside of that Vehicle, they should use the target point for that Vehicle to trace line of sight and range. When a figure outside of a Partial Cover Vehicle targets a figure occupying that Vehicle, they should use the target points for that Vehicle as the hit zone for any occupying figure.

Unless a special power indicates otherwise, a figure can only target one figure occupying a Vehicle at a time. If, however, a special power targets or chooses a space and the space the Vehicle occupies is chosen, the Vehicle and all figures occupying the Vehicle are affected.¬

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MOVING VEHICLES

In addition to the Size, Life, and Defense values contained on destructible object cards, Vehicles have a Movement value. After revealing an Order Marker on one of your Army Cards, instead of moving normally with all of the figures associated with that card, if one of the figures from that card occupies the Driver space a Vehicle, you may move that Vehicle.
You may only move a Vehicle once for each Order Marker you reveal.

When moving the Vehicle, follow standard movement rules, with one exception: Vehicles and occupying figures do not make or receive leaving engagement attacks against figures outside of the Vehicle.
If a Vehicle would be moved, any figures occupying it stay in that Vehicle and are moved with it. If any of the occupants cannot be moved for any reason, that Vehicle cannot be moved.

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EXITING VEHICLES

After moving a Vehicle you control, you may place a figure you control from the Vehicle’s Army Card on an empty space adjacent to the Vehicle. You may exit with any or all of your figures on the same turn. If that figure was engaged with any other figures occupying the Vehicle prior to moving, it will take any leaving engagement attacks. The figure that moved the Vehicle may now complete its turn. Remember, the figure that moved the Vehicle did so at the expense of its normal movement.

[B]If you wish to have one of your figures exit a Vehicle you do not control, you may have that figure Exit instead of moving normally on its turn. If that figure does not have the Super Strength special power, before exiting with that figure, roll one unblockable attack die against it. When your figure exits a Vehicle, place that figure on any empty space adjacent to the Vehicle.

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Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

Pretty sweet.
Can you throw a figure into a vehicle?
Is so, Magneto could throw a code in a car, then it's mutant driver takes off and kicks the foe out, getting a free swipe. Not bad for the car but could be vicious foe the Mole Machine, 3 swipes.
I am reading that right? The driver can kick out any passengers?

Do we want to lower the Defense on the Sports Car?

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

I do think that bit should be clarified (in Exiting Vehicles) - not clear whether or not you're meant to be able to remove an opponent's figure from a vehicle you control.

yea to retesting once that's sorted out, though.

Not worried about the Sports Car's defense when you can shoot someone through the window.

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

No, but it will affect the cost of the Car which could stand be lower.

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

The intent is only to be able to control the exit of figures you control.

The mechanics for Entering a car are laid out in the rules and I don't believe they allow for a figure to be moved into a car by throwing/etc., but they actually have to do their own movement. That's the way I intended it, at least.

I'll look at the text and review the language for both things in a minute here.

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

Should be fixed now.

For the "throw into a vehicle" bit, the text notes that you have to end your movement on an adjacent space to Enter. I don't think being thrown qualifies as the figure's movement.

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

I thought it was the same. You can be thrown into an Engagement Strike, correct?

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

Just modify it to "movement during its turn".

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for return to Playtesting

The way I read it, "ending its movement" =/= "moves."

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Originally Posted by Engagement Strike

If an opponent's small or medium figure moves adjacent to Mystique, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 13 or higher, the opponent's figure receives one wound. Figures may be targeted only as they move into engagement with Mystique.