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I'm surprised nobody's brought up the fact that he's another Warlord--he'd be mighty-powerful with the already mighty-powerful Romans.

~TAF

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Maybe its magic "engineering" instead of genetic. I'd have no qualms about the warlord be magically enhanced by raptoran warwitches or what have you. Heck, his tail could even have been magically grafted by Durnipia. If she could do it for Valguad...

Well, some things don't read as exciting but play well, so I guess I'll hope for it to fall more into that category.

jedilou most certainly mentioned that concern and how he might eclipse other warlords like the Azurite Warlord. It's a concern of mine as well. I'm more of asking about the miniature right now and will figure out what changes are needed with testing.

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I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the Raptorians have also dabbled in G.E. (speculation which I would advise against), but it certainly seems plausible that the Marro themselves would have experimented on the other species on their world. This figure could be truly unique, a single captured specimen whose testing was largely successful, but who then escaped from his Marro captors and returned to use his horrific-yet-useful enhancements to help his own people.

The dealbreaker for me, though, is the Pazuzu's price tag. SoV and C3V should not be producing individual heroes that initially cost $16-18 or more plus shipping plus rebasing costs, and probably much more than that a bit down the road when the sculpts are out of production (or even after the initial surge of purchases from VC scapers). If the goal of the VCs is to be inclusive rather than exclusive and keep the game alive for current and new players, price constraints should be one of the first considerations.

Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop
 

Thanks for bringing up price. That's very important, and I hadn't checked. Anything that's more than about 7 dollars should have a very good reason.

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I've always wanted a Microcorp boss. Here are a couple of visually reasonable and cheap sculpts:

Heroclix Checkmate Knight #007 or #014 — CoolStuffInc has 59 @ $0.40 & $0.49
http://s20.postimg.cc/iqx1brvfx/Checkmate_Knights.jpg

Heroclix Steve Trevor #018 — Troll and Toad has 40 @ $0.49
http://s20.postimg.cc/6z960z0tp/hc_flash_018.jpg

Here's my (latest) work in progress using the brunette Checkmate Knight. Her name is pronounced "bore-SEE-guh" with a Spanish tongue roll on the double R. (Can anybody tell where that spelling came from from?)

http://s20.postimg.cc/9s6yyqqjx/Agent_Borrciga.png

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The 'special attack' part isn't going to fly in VC I'd wager, that's just pushing the game in weird ways.

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Can you elaborate? There's been precedent for this since wave 1:

ARROW VOLLEY SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 6, Attack 6.
Three unengaged adjacent Roman Archers on the same level may combine their attacks and roll their attack dice as one attack. All Roman Archers in the arrow volley must have a clear line of sight on the one target.

So "combining" multiple normal attacks into one special attack is actually quite canonical. Given that Agent Coordination only applies to Microcorps and Gorillinators, it's even using the same numbers (3x2=6), although I did take the liability of the Archers' same-level requirement and turn it into an optional bonus.

I'm actually pretty surprised nobody has yet repeated this trick since wave 1. It's a really nice function, if the units are costed properly.

Hmm
 

There is precedent with the Roman Archers, Ashigaru Yari, and Zombies of Morindan for combining normal attacks into a single special attack but it's always labeled as a special attack. Being able to convert a squad's normal attack into a special attack from another figure however is weird uncharted territory and it also makes Microcorp Troopers launch an attack of 6 and 4. They really don't need the help.

~Dysole, informationally

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You could do something similar to this:

Telepathic Triangulation
When this Wharfang Hunter makes a normal attack on a non-adjacent figure, roll 2 additional attack dice for up to 2 other Wharfang Hunters you control that are in range of the target, and are not adjacent to the target or to any Wharfang Hunter.

Substitute other agents for the Wharfang Hunters here (they are common heroes). She would have the attack functionally, and thematically it is a coordinated attack.

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Yeah, I know about the Roman Archers, I didn't start playing this game yesterday. ;)

There are three different squads with combined attacks in classic scape actually, but what you're suggesting isn't even vaguely the same thing, and it's not remotely doable in its current form. Something like IshMEL's suggestion is the way to go for this kind of thing.

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And this is also labeled as a special attack, in the text. (Obviously it can't say "SPECIAL ATTACK" in the title because it's not the hero's special attack.) It is (I believe) new ground to build a special attack on the fly, but so was Bonding the first time one unit built a turn for another unit on the fly. If it was confusing, or abusable, or breaking the game's timing structure then I'd be right there with you. But so far nobody has shown me why it doesn't work. If there's an actual problem I'm not seeing, I would like to have it pointed out. Show me why it's wrong, and I'll be the first guy in line to fix it or kill it.

I agree with uncharted, but weird is in the eye of the beholder. Heroscape got weird with WotC, and continued to get weirder with VCs. Are you saying that "hasn't been done before" is an automatic disqualifier? Hope not. Seems like we should evaluate effects on their merits, rather than on their unfamiliarity.

No, it doesn't. The Microcorp Troopers are not Agents.

I've run through the synergies and the scenarios pretty carefully here.

Please explain why. I"m clearly hearing some "I don't like this," but so far I'm not hearing "this is why it can't possibly work."

I didn't just pull this card out of my ear this morning. I've been doing game design for over 15 years, and while that doesn't make me right (I'm often wrong) and it doesn't make the design good (it might be terrible), it does mean I'm going to be hoping for more than just being dismissed with "this is wrong, I don't like it, go away or completely change how it works to be like this other card." If you guys want to tear it down, that's fine; expected, even — killing bad designs is part of the purpose of this thread, right? — but please show me why it deserves summary execution. You might be entirely right and I might be full of crap, but can we see the reasons?

It would be foolish of me to throw it out just because it's doing something old in a new way and that makes people uncomfortable the first time they look at it. Explain a real problem with the effect or the language ... that's a good way to shut me up. ;)

Special Eyes
 

Well the special attack is kind of buried in the text. I guess because of that it makes it very against precedent.

It feels like an effect that would not have been placed into Scape. Again, that's my opinion but this particular implementation does not feel like something that would be in Scape.

My bad.

~Dysole, who thinks it's less the power and more this particular implementation that feels weird and "customy" although I hate to use that word