Re: Draftable Vehicles Discussion Thread (Initial Testing)
Japes, I get what you're saying. I apologize for bringing up Kang since it seems he's been brought up to you before.
Here's the situation: we need to make a ruling on figures being able to use powers (by default) while they're not on the battlefield. Are you willing to say they don't work sometimes (like when Kang has them) and do work sometimes (like in a VDO)? |
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My opinion is that by default powers shouldn't work when a figure is not on the battlefield and we word the ones that should to say that specifically in the power. And yes I understand that technically that means when they are on cards. So I'd be in favor of ruling by default powers on cards not on the battlefield should be nullified (unless that power specifically states otherwise) That is one distinct issue and my opinion on that issue. Now in the other matter... But in nearly all instances the thematic reasons a figure is on a card is either death or they are in another dimension/not in the immediate area. However for VDO thematically they are still in the immediate area, they are in whatever location the VDO is in. So if Mr. Fantastic is in the Fantasticar with the others were gathered around the car, thematically he should still get to roll for his leadership power and let the others take to the fight. But I agree this could causes serious competitive issues. |
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Thematically, I'm on board. However, making entering a VDO an exception to the default powers not working on the battlefield rule means we need to make changes to the VDO rules so they are not just portable shields. I am not opposed to changing the VDO rules but I would like to see the proposed changes.
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I didn't mean to shut down the thread here, I was just being sarcastic. Feel free to completely ignore me on this topic as I have never used the VDO rules, just the vehicle cards as DOs, and it's starting too look like I'll just keep it that way.
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I'm loving your sarcasm, YK, and I'd love to hear more from you about revising the VDO rules if you're willing. You make great points that nobody is going to use these rules if they're cumbersome at all. We need to keep things simple.
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I got the humor in the post. This is making me want the Batmobile and Lawmaster to be figures and not VDOs. But who knows, maybe we figure it out. |
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Tornado's already said the Lawmaster should be a figure. Given how often the Batmobile is automated... I'm in favour of that being one too.
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Yeah, waiting to see how it plays out for the Lawmaster but still leaning towards uncommon hero.
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(Not trying to take you to task or anything, but I do want to clarify what you think needs to be figured out) |
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Woo boy, ya'll gave me a lot to catch up on this one.
It seems like the poll was jumping the gun a bit and we have some stuff to figure out and hash out first. No worries and no reason to get too worked up (not saying any of you are, but my way of saying I think we should be able to salvage this still). Quote:
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In addition to Yodaking's suggestion for increased penalty for being in a destroyed vehicle (which I think is hugely important as a balancing factor), I'd argue for one other scalpel use before we totally blow up any power uses inside of cars. I'd have to carefully study the overall impact of this idea, but I think it could help a lot with these concerns: Order Markers represent intention in this game. A lot of the more powerful powers require you to reveal an Order Marker on a card to trigger them. Most factional hubs are tied to Order Marker reveals. What if when you enter a vehicle, your Order Markers are transferred to that vehicle, and you only get them back when you leave the vehicle? Then we could alter the rules so that you couldn't get out of the vehicle the same turn you get into it, but that getting into or out of the vehicle would be instead of moving normally and moving/using the vehicle would require an Order Marker reveal on it? We might have to make vehicles more strictly a part of your army to accomplish that, and not so easy to change hands, but I think that might be OK for balance as well. |
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In a perfect world mr. Fantastic or professor X wouldn't lose their leadership ability in a car but also they shouldn't be able to hide in a car and not risk being hurt. I honestly don't have a solution which is why I'm frustrated as in my mind I'm feeling it's hopeless. I don't think it's hopeless bc together we've come up with some pretty cool stuff...I just feel that way now. On your other part...I'm not sure when or why this stood out. I wasn't following along as well as I'd have liked early on but now that I don't feel obligated to read every post anymore I started paying more attention to things that I wanted to. Also no worry Ronin. I know your not being like that. We all want to figure this out and you've put in a lot of work here. |
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