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IAmBatman May 1st, 2013 09:32 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
Yeah, I'm feeling the playability over theme argument here, and I think the theme still sells the other way. I want to hear from the rest of you, but I just joined the A group.

Lord Pyre May 1st, 2013 09:49 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
I do like A better, as well!

SirGalahad May 3rd, 2013 02:14 AM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
A as well

IAmBatman May 3rd, 2013 10:27 AM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
All right, I'm calling this one for the A's and I'll get the SP updated accordingly in a minute here. :-) Thanks, guys!

I'll test these guys after the Shadow Demons.

IAmBatman May 5th, 2013 12:05 AM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
Finally got around to updating the SP here! :-)

Distracted by all the Geek Day festivities today. I'll slowly but surely begin chipping away at my two initials tomorrow or Monday.

A3n May 5th, 2013 03:51 AM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmBatman (Post 1809959)
Finally got around to updating the SP here! :-)

Distracted by all the Geek Day festivities today. I'll slowly but surely begin chipping away at my two initials tomorrow or Monday.

What's the "Geek Day Festivities"?

Scapemage May 5th, 2013 10:26 AM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A3n (Post 1809998)
Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmBatman (Post 1809959)
Finally got around to updating the SP here! :-)

Distracted by all the Geek Day festivities today. I'll slowly but surely begin chipping away at my two initials tomorrow or Monday.

What's the "Geek Day Festivities"?

Bats declared yesterday Geek Day because Iron Man 3, Star Wars Day and Free Comic Book Day aligned.

IAmBatman May 6th, 2013 10:00 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (FIRE DEMONS)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Tentative PASS They have the potential to be really nasty with Grundy. If it proves too much, Iíll up the roll for Fire Spawning 13.

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 200-220
- Give a brief overview. Even without a successful Fire Spawning roll (plenty of misses, though) the Fire Demons do just fine against Batman, Black Panther, and Scorpion, going 5 of 6, with three of the wins very close.
Spoiler Alert!

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 200ish.
- Give a brief overview. The Fire Demons mostly just had poor luck here. This could have been a lot closer.
Map: Custom
Units: Fire Demons vs. Hawkmen of Thanagar x2 (200)
Spoiler Alert!

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 200
- Give a brief overview. Even with a successful Fire Spawning roll (finally!) the Demons canít hold up to superior numbers.
Map: Custom
Units: Fire Demons vs. Bad Cops x4 (220)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 220+
- Give a brief overview. The heroes got brutalized here, but they probably werenít set up to take on such large numbers. Still, the Fire Demons performed well. The dice were also on their side a little bit in this one.
Map: Custom
Units: Fire Demons (200), Blood Demons x5 (800) (1,000) vs. Martian Manhunter (300), Flash (250), Green Arrow (150), Wonder Woman (300) (1,000)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes?

- What should be the unit's point value? 250?
- Give a brief overview. This wasnít all Fire Demons, but their survivability combined with Grundyís and a fairly hot D20 was just nasty, even against demon killers. As a result, I want to try them at 250 at least in playtesting, and see how it goes!
Map: Custom
Units: Fire Demons (220), Magma (170), Solomon Grundy (290), Shadowcat (80) (760) vs. Zauriel (320), Buffy (210), Executioner (370), Dazzler (100), Judge Dredd (240) (1,240)
Spoiler Alert!

IAmBatman May 7th, 2013 10:40 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
One army test left to go! I'm leaning towards 220 so far. I'm hoping to wrap this up tomorrow at some point. :-)

Hahma May 7th, 2013 11:28 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
Yeah, a little bump wouldn't hurt.

IAmBatman May 7th, 2013 11:56 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
I lied. I got a second wind and tested them with Grundy. I'm going to recommend this combo to testers, because duo resurrecters is naaasty. I'm looking at 250 right now, and/or an increase in the Fire Spawning roll.

IAmBatman May 8th, 2013 10:07 PM

Re: The Book of Fire Demons - Design Phase
 
I'm sticking with 250 for playtesting for now. If they're still too good with Grundy, I'll analyze the results and see if their Fire Spawning is why, and if it is I'll up the roll at that point.

Just so I don't forget later, consider this proposal to start in an hour and a half: I propose we move to Playtesting at 250 points!


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