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Just_a_Bill May 10th, 2015 12:54 AM

The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants

C3V Wave 6 (Wave 19) - Crevcor's Commission - Hunters and Drones

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The figures used for this unit are Safari Ltd. Good Luck Minis Ants.

Character Bio: Restless and ravenous, Xualtiaca ant colonies are Aquilla's horde. They sting and kill anything in their way, swarming throughout the jungle.

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SWARMING
After moving and before attacking with Xualtiaca Fire Ants, count the number of engaged Xualtiaca Fire Ants you control. You may move this number of unengaged Xualtiaca Fire Ants you control that you did not move this turn up to 3 spaces each.

SWARM STING 18
Instead of attacking, Xualtiaca Fire Ants may use Swarm Sting 18. Once for each opponent's figure adjacent to at least one Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control, roll the 20-sided die for stinging damage. Add 1 to your die roll for each Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control engaged with that figure. If you roll an 18 or higher, that figure receives one wound. If the wound was inflicted and the figure was not destroyed, roll again for stinging damage for that figure. Swarm Sting does not affect destructible objects.

CLIMB X3
When moving up or down levels of terrain, Xualtiaca Fire Ants may triple their height.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
Q: Can a Xualtiaca Fire Ant that moved via Swarming attack that turn?
A: Yes. Note, however, that any Fire Ants that moved normally are already activated as potential attackers. If four Fire Ants moved normally, only those four may attack. If fewer than four Fire Ants moved normally, the remaining attacks may come from any Fire Ants you control, including ones moved by Swarming.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Synergy Benefits Received
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Synergy Benefits Offered
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Synergy Imposed
  • WARDEN 816 : Evisceraxe Special Attack
    As small figures, the Xualtiaca Fire Ants are immune to Warden 816's EVISCERAXE SPECIAL ATTACK.
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Power Ranking and Master Index
Require large numbers to be effective, but swarm sting can be great in Heat of Battle or against numerous or high defense foes. B

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flameslayer93 May 15th, 2015 11:44 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Fire Ants x6 330
Raelin SotM 450
24 hexes drop an ant

A simple army, where you use Raelin to help the Ants get into position and once they are engaged, she can help them stay that way. Good thing you have 23 ants, because you are going to lose them lol.

These guys don't have many different armies to choose from in the 500/24 scene. Its mostly a bunch of ants + 1 hero to do something that helps. Maybe playing them will give me another take on them? 4 squads seems to be their minimum number of squads.

TheAverageFan May 16th, 2015 12:06 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
With a power like Swarming, the bigger the game, the better the Xualtiaca Ants will be. Stinging will do the rest once they're engaged.

P.S.
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Originally Posted by Just_a_Bill (Post 2020302)
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SWARM STING 18
Instead of attacking, Xualtiaca Fire Ants may use Swarm Sting 18. Once for each opponent's figure adjacent to at least one Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control, roll the 20-sided die for stinging damage. Add 1 to your die roll for each Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control engaged with that figure. If you roll an 18 or higher, that figure receives one wound. In (If) the wound was inflicted and the figure was not destroyed, roll again for stinging damage for that figure. Swarm Sting does not affect destructible objects.

~TAF

Just_a_Bill May 16th, 2015 12:25 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by TheAverageFan (Post 2021590)
In (If) the wound was inflicted ...

Fixed; thanks!

redcometx May 23rd, 2015 02:20 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Any ETA on the .pdf version? I'm looking forward to printing these guys out. :)

Dad_Scaper May 25th, 2015 09:31 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Here it is!

@Just_a_Bill , a link for you:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community...o=file&id=4401

Just_a_Bill May 25th, 2015 11:09 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper (Post 2023486)

Updated; thanks.

Johngee August 14th, 2015 01:53 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
I was surprised to see that both these Xualtiaca-Fire Ants and the Red Ants of Aundstrom are listed as originating from the planet VALHALLA on the List by Planet, but it is *NOT* mentioned in either of their Character Bio's on the Alphabetical List.

johnny139 August 15th, 2015 02:32 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by Johngee (Post 2038988)
I was surprised to see that both these Xualtiaca-Fire Ants and the Red Ants of Aundstrom are listed as originating from the planet VALHALLA on the List by Planet, but it is *NOT* mentioned in either of their Character Bio's on the Alphabetical List.

It's on the basic side. Moreover, it's known based on their names (both Aunstrom and Xualtiaca are regions in Valhalla; Aunstrom is a desert in the south-central of the continent and Xualtiaca Valley is in/near the Ticalla Jungle).

DanieLoche August 19th, 2015 06:10 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
To illustrate Johnny's infos, see here. :lol:

Johngee August 19th, 2015 10:22 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Thanks @johnny139 and @DanieLoche for providing this valuable information.

WOW! BRAVO! That is an awesomely EXCELLENT map of Valhalla. I'm printing it to hang on my wall. And I'm feeling really stupid (in spite of my many years of higher education and cartographic training) for *NOT* paying closer attention to all of the details on the maps and in the scenarios that were published by Hasbro for HeroScape.

+1 Rep given to each of you.

Xotli September 29th, 2015 03:42 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Your C3V Rules Team has suggested the following Ruling(s) and Clarification(s) for this unit:

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Q: Can a Xualtiacan Fire Ant that moved via Swarming attack that turn?
A: Yes.
Note, however, that any Fire Ants that moved normally are already activated and must be chosen during the attack phase. If less than four Fire Ants moved normally, the remaining attacks may come from any Fire Ants you control, including ones moved by Swarming.
We request that the person who created this thread add these to the OP, if they're not already there. Thanks very much!

Just_a_Bill September 29th, 2015 05:53 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xotli (Post 2047769)
Your C3V Rules Team has suggested the following Ruling(s) and Clarification(s) for this unit:

Quote:

Q: Can a Xualtiacan Fire Ant that moved via Swarming attack that turn?
A: Yes.
Note, however, that any Fire Ants that moved normally are already activated and must be chosen during the attack phase. If less than four Fire Ants moved normally, the remaining attacks may come from any Fire Ants you control, including ones moved by Swarming.

The "must be chosen" part seems confusing (actually incorrect) to me, since I'm not forced to attack with all the ants that moved normally. Can I assume this is really just trying to say an ant that moved (only) via Swarming is not considered a "full-fledged mover" for the purpose of having attack priority? Meaning, it does not get to "claim a spot" among the four available attackers at the expense of one that actually moved normally? If so, I'd like to suggest a tweak to the wording that doesn't say every ant that moved "must be chosen" for the attack.
A: Yes. Note, however, that any Fire Ants that moved normally are already activated as potential attackers. If four Fire Ants moved normally, only those four may attack. If fewer than four Fire Ants moved normally, the remaining attacks may come from any Fire Ants you control, including ones moved by Swarming.
Does this capture the intent, @Xotli ?

Xotli October 1st, 2015 04:03 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by Just_a_Bill (Post 2047887)
The "must be chosen" part seems confusing (actually incorrect) to me, since I'm not forced to attack with all the ants that moved normally. Can I assume this is really just trying to say an ant that moved (only) via Swarming is not considered a "full-fledged mover" for the purpose of having attack priority? Meaning, it does not get to "claim a spot" among the four available attackers at the expense of one that actually moved normally? If so, I'd like to suggest a tweak to the wording that doesn't say every ant that moved "must be chosen" for the attack.
A: Yes. Note, however, that any Fire Ants that moved normally are already activated as potential attackers. If four Fire Ants moved normally, only those four may attack. If fewer than four Fire Ants moved normally, the remaining attacks may come from any Fire Ants you control, including ones moved by Swarming.
Does this capture the intent, @Xotli ?

I wouldn't call it incorrect. To me, this is no different from referring to the movement phase but still allowing for the possibility of the figure not actually physically moving. If you don't want to attack with one of the ants that moved, that's fine; you just can't attack with anyone else instead either.

But your rewording seems fine to me.

TheAverageFan October 1st, 2015 11:29 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Why would you ever use Swarming to move and attack with an Ant when you could just move that Ant normally though? I don't think it'd prevent something like Engagement Strike. Just kind of seems like a waste of 3 Move.

~TAF, confused

dok October 1st, 2015 11:36 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by TheAverageFan (Post 2048099)
Why would you ever use Swarming to move and attack with an Ant when you could just move that Ant normally though? I don't think it'd prevent something like Engagement Strike. Just kind of seems like a waste of 3 Move.

~TAF, confused

By using swarming to move, and not activating figures using movement, you can choose any ant you control to attack with, instead of being restricted to the ants that moved. That flexibility can be valuable.

You could have a situation where there are many potential targets to attack, but one is higher priority to kill, so you want to be able to attack that one a bunch of times, but move on to attack others if it dies quickly. Or you could be facing goblin cutters and you want to be able to attack with any ant instead of allowing your opponent to scurry away from the active ants.

I'm not saying it would come up all the time, but there are definitely times when I would forgo regular movement to gain activation flexibility when attacking.

TheAverageFan October 1st, 2015 04:11 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
That makes sense I guess. Sort of a mini Horde Attack.

~TAF, clarified

Airballshooter March 20th, 2019 01:59 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
can every ant choose what to do? one does the sting and another one attacks normally in the same turn. or do i have to do the special or normal attack with all of them?

superfrog March 20th, 2019 02:02 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
It's all or nothing. You can attack with 3 Ants, or Sting with all the Ants.

So if you have a crapton of them engaged, stinging is a great idea (and Swarming sets that up well).

Flash_19 March 20th, 2019 02:41 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Forgive me asking what might be a silly question:

According to Swarm Sting, you roll the d-20 for each enemy figure adjacent to an ant you control, and you have to roll an 18 or higher - simple enough. But if you have only one ant engaged to a figure, do you need to roll a 17 or an 18 to put a wound on that figure? I'm assuming that because of how the power is written, you would only need a 17 because then you add 1 to make 18. Am I understanding correctly?

Scytale March 20th, 2019 02:44 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by Flash_19 (Post 2265761)
Forgive me asking what might be a silly question:

According to Swarm Sting, you roll the d-20 for each enemy figure adjacent to an ant you control, and you have to roll an 18 or higher - simple enough. But if you have only one ant engaged to a figure, do you need to roll a 17 or an 18 to put a wound on that figure? I'm assuming that because of how the power is written, you would only need a 17 because then you add 1 to make 18. Am I understanding correctly?

That is correct, you only need a 17, since the sole ant would give you +1.

lefton4ya March 20th, 2019 02:51 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Just realizes these are perfect counter to rats - as long as he Rats don't scatter all away.

Also, I assume yes, but does SWARM STING 18 work indefinitely as long as you keep rolling for it (similar to how Frenzy works) or kill all figures, or just one time.

Flash_19 March 20th, 2019 02:52 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scytale (Post 2265762)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash_19 (Post 2265761)
Forgive me asking what might be a silly question:

According to Swarm Sting, you roll the d-20 for each enemy figure adjacent to an ant you control, and you have to roll an 18 or higher - simple enough. But if you have only one ant engaged to a figure, do you need to roll a 17 or an 18 to put a wound on that figure? I'm assuming that because of how the power is written, you would only need a 17 because then you add 1 to make 18. Am I understanding correctly?

That is correct, you only need a 17, since the sole ant would give you +1.

Thanks!

Airballshooter March 20th, 2019 02:53 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
i thought i roll once for every ant not for every enemy figure

Scytale March 20th, 2019 03:50 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
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Originally Posted by Airballshooter (Post 2265765)
i thought i roll once for every ant not for every enemy figure

Nope. It's like Marro Plague.

Quote:

SWARM STING 18
Instead of attacking, Xualtiaca Fire Ants may use Swarm Sting 18. Once for each opponent's figure adjacent to at least one Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control, roll the 20-sided die for stinging damage. Add 1 to your die roll for each Xualtiaca Fire Ant you control engaged with that figure. If you roll an 18 or higher, that figure receives one wound. If the wound was inflicted and the figure was not destroyed, roll again for stinging damage for that figure. Swarm Sting does not affect destructible objects.

lefton4ya April 22nd, 2019 10:56 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Does SWARM STING 18 work indefinitely for each figure as long as you keep rolling for it (similar to how Frenzy works) or kill all figures, or just one extra time per figure you are stinging?

Also, I don't necessarily agree with the FAQ on Swarm Sting that you only roll only for figures adjacent to up to 4 that activated this turn (activating includes those that did normal move or ones moved by Swarming). This is different than Marrden Hounds' MARRDEN PLAGUE, although wording is a different. I could live with the ruling, just the wording on the card is not clear at all (along with my above question).

Scytale April 22nd, 2019 11:01 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lefton4ya (Post 2274872)
Does SWARM STING 18 work indefinitely for each figure as long as you keep rolling for it (similar to how Frenzy works) or kill all figures, or just one extra time per figure you are stinging?

No, you only roll one time for each enemy figure adjacent to at least one of your ants. Like Marro Plague.

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Originally Posted by lefton4ya (Post 2274872)
Also, I don't necessarily agree with the FAQ on Swarm Sting that you only roll only for figures adjacent to up to 4 that activated this turn (activating includes those that did normal move or ones moved by Swarming). This is different than Marrden Hounds' MARRDEN PLAGUE, although wording is a different. I could live with the ruling, just the wording on the card is not clear at all (along with my above question).

I'm not sure what you're asking. The R&C in the OP only addresses normal attacks. It has no bearing on Swarm Sting.

lefton4ya April 22nd, 2019 11:11 AM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
@Scytale - thanks for a quick response. On the second question I am just an idiot on reading the FAQ. So I guess you can roll for every figure adjacent to any Fire Ant, similar to MARRDEN PLAGUE except only opponents.

For the first question on SWARM STING 18, I was asking specifically on this clause:
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If the wound was inflicted and the figure was not destroyed, roll again for stinging damage for that figure.
Does this repeat indefinitely, up to the figure being destroyed? For example I have a high live hero next to one or more fire ants and get one wound for swarm sting, then roll again and get it a second time. Do I get to roll for it a third time and if successful 4th and so on, or do I stop at a max of twice?

Scytale April 22nd, 2019 12:22 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lefton4ya (Post 2274877)
Quote:

If the wound was inflicted and the figure was not destroyed, roll again for stinging damage for that figure.
Does this repeat indefinitely, up to the figure being destroyed? For example I have a high live hero next to one or more fire ants and get one wound for swarm sting, then roll again and get it a second time. Do I get to roll for it a third time and if successful 4th and so on, or do I stop at a max of twice?

Oh yeah, that part. It's like Sujoah's Poison Sting. Yes, you just keep rolling until the roll fails. It's possible a single ant could sting Braxas to death.

Muskie December 31st, 2020 05:43 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
These ants are now very hard to find. If anyone has a good source, please post!

lefton4ya January 15th, 2021 02:32 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
You can get 192 of them for $69 (<40 each) - glow in the dark version, so would need to be painted black.

Cleon February 20th, 2021 04:24 PM

Re: The Book of Xualtiaca Fire Ants
 
I’ve been enjoying these dudes quite a bit. Playing 20 of them for 275pt. as a base is a go-to army when I’m playing in the VC world lately. One of their biggest obstacles, if not the biggest, is the fact that they’re only 2 height. And being a melee squad that wants to engage as much as it can, that’s something that comes up often. If you’re facing something ranged on a map that has a difference in height of 2 or more levels between adjacent hexes, that’s a huge problem. I was testing with Shiftrex and he had MW on April and I was terrified of the 5 hex spots because my ants can’t do anything about it.

So I think you’re going to have to play some solid range with these guys in preparation for facing that. I think Syvarris would be good as he outranges near everything and if something is trying to camp on a spot with 2+ height difference then you can just out camp it until it dies or is forced to reposition. Krav and other good range will work fine too of course. PK’s will probably do the trick too. Or know the map pool you’re going into, and if there aren’t any maps that have significant spots like that then you won’t necessarily need that range insurance.


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