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Confred March 22nd, 2021 08:43 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Moving forward, I’ll post a version of the below as figures near their design completion.

Hello, welcome to the Halls of Fiction, where we workshop custom figures from all fictional sources with few exceptions to become Heroes of Fiction. Displayed here.

Exception 1: We will not create figures that already have a dedicated thread for, such as from the Star Wars or Pokemon franchise.

So how does it work? Contributing to the thread adds you to the Design Lead list. We all work on the figure, but the Lead decides the hero or squad and dictates the overall direction. By all means make suggestions and even counter points, but the Design Lead breaks ties.

Once chosen as Lead, you have two weeks to come up with a design. If a design isn't presented by that time, the next person in line becomes lead and they get their two weeks.

Deadlines are always on a Friday.

two weeks consecutive of no interaction, or three weeks with only one member interacting, triggers a two week expiration warning.
Interaction extends deadlines for a week, as do holidays.

Thumbs up emojis (:up: :thumbsup:) from three participants approve actions. Two thumbs down emojis (:down:) veto actions. Any participant may vote. Post Icons don't count.
There’s pretty much no limit to what can be voted on this way.

Designs are voted on using the above methods

Current design list:

@SirGalahad
@Tornado
@Sir Yeshua
@Ericth74
@Zetsubo
@Knox
@JC McMinis
@Taeblewalker
@machinekng
@McHotcakes
@Confred
@CJtheMighty
@Barry allen
@Dysole

Officers:
Project Manager: Confred
Card Artist: JC McMinis
Design Lead: Rotates

Officers are volunteers who help keep this project alive and may be replaced due to lack of interaction, poor conduct, or any other reason. Use the voting process as described above.

Project Manager keeps track of progress timers, moderates this thread, curates the design list, a reminds players of turn order/etc.
Card Artist renders final cards and curates the display thread linked above.
Design Lead chooses the unit to develop, breaks ties, and overrules design decisions without need for thumb emojis.

Errata: It's not often, but sometimes units need to be reworked. We do that here.
There's currently no officer responsible for moderating that thread.

Tornado March 22nd, 2021 09:48 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
:thumbsup:

TREX March 23rd, 2021 12:01 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like the changes you are implementing. Keeps from stagnation. Also like that the peeps stay in rotation even if they have a temporary leave of absence to address otherworldly priorities;). I like this project, it has to plenty of interesting picks and designs. Keep up the good work guys.

Dysole March 23rd, 2021 12:17 AM

Query
 
A couple people on that list haven't been on the site in a year or more. I don't feel like we should wait two weeks for someone who hasn't shown up in that time frame. Otherwise I'm good with it.

~Dysole, who might look into moderating the other thread if she can figure out what that would entail from her

TREX March 23rd, 2021 01:15 AM

Re: Query
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dysole (Post 2455314)
A couple people on that list haven't been on the site in a year or more. I don't feel like we should wait two weeks for someone who hasn't shown up in that time frame. Otherwise I'm good with it.

~Dysole, who might look into moderating the other thread if she can figure out what that would entail from her

Wouldn’t be a bad idea to remove folks from the list if they haven’t been on in “x” amount of time. Cause that is a great point. Part of why I stopped contributing here as much were from stagnated designs that I didn’t have a lot of knowledge about that the folks that started them stopped working on. I like to see projects like this thrive even though I don’t have as much time for customs design at the moment.

Taeblewalker March 23rd, 2021 01:56 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I know it's been a while since I've posted here, but I have been lurking and I like what I see. I'll try to be more useful with feedback about designs in progress.

Dysole March 23rd, 2021 02:01 AM

Lurkmenistan
 
Yeah I don't mind about people lurking but if they haven't been on the site in a year I don't feel like waiting around to see if that's when someone is gonna show up. I'm even feeling like a couple months absence it's still reasonable to have that gap but beyond that it feels like it would unnecessarily slow down the process.

~Dysole, clarifyingly

Shiftrex March 23rd, 2021 02:54 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looks like a great revamp post. Clear and concise expectations.

TREX March 23rd, 2021 03:41 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 2455323)
I know it's been a while since I've posted here, but I have been lurking and I like what I see. I'll try to be more useful with feedback about designs in progress.

Yeah, lurking is definitely a big difference from not visiting the site in months. Even though I don’t help as much here as I did awhile back, I still check in from time to time to see how things are going and what cool stuff has been come up with.

Confred March 23rd, 2021 07:50 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
When it's the turn of an inactive member to lead any participant may move to pass or even remove them from the list.
Three thumbs passes
Two thumbs veto
The inactive member may notice and join in the discussion. Any participant may cancel/recall their thumbs by submitting the reverse of their previously posted thumb emoji. (Which does come up when finalizing designs and a broken element is discovered)

Confred March 23rd, 2021 08:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2455302)
:thumbsup:

Is this the third thumbs up for Wynonna or for the policy document?

Tornado March 23rd, 2021 08:17 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Wynonna

JC McMinis March 23rd, 2021 09:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Ok now that Wynonna has 3 thumbs up I will add her to display thread. I also approve the policies above

Confred March 26th, 2021 05:51 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Next three designers are
@SirGalahad
@Tornado
@Sir Yeshua

A message has been sent to SirGalahad. His deadline to decide is April 2

SirGalahad March 26th, 2021 10:44 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Sorry I haven't been around much lately. COVID may have kept a lot of people home, but if anybody thinks that educators have had this last year off (because I've been working harder than I ever have), I'd like to introduce them to my new friend . . .

Nimue
Cursed Netflix Series

The miniature is from the Dungeon & Dragons PHB Heroes Series 2
#04 - Female Human Avenger

Nimue is a Fey with the power to control plant life around her. This power has made others fear her and call her a witch. She is the daughter of the Priestess Lenore, who before dying gives her the task of delivering the Sword of Power to the wizard Merlin, her father.

Happy Brainstorming!

Taeblewalker March 26th, 2021 10:48 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Perhaps she can have a power like Mogrimm's Commander's Strike. If an enemy figure is adjacent to an evergreen tree or jungle piece, and within 5 clear sight spaces, you may roll the 20-sided die. On a 15 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

Confred March 26th, 2021 11:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Before delving too deeply into powers, what role does she play in the series and how would that role translate to Valhalla - Would she be summoned for that same reason, to continue that role here?

Dysole March 27th, 2021 01:26 AM

From What I See
 
Looks like the series borrows heavily from Arthurian lore and she acts as the protag who is supposed to become the Lady in the Lake. Quick read through seems to suggest a lot of her stuff is related to Excalibur and Arthur (as both a partner and a love interest) and also her fey heritage.

So she should have solid stats. Chlorokinesis can do some real brutal stuff either with commander's strike or making her make grass function like heavy snow. Didn't see too much from my brief read through how much she actually used the sword. SirGalahad can probably give a better enlightenment on that front.

~Dysole, thinking that some of these powers could get tricky to nail just right

Tornado March 27th, 2021 09:48 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
For grass tiles it can be like snow for enemies but you could give a move bonus for friendlies. Maybe something like road, +3 Move if entire move is on grass.
That alone could have a huge impact. Not sure if it fits her skill set though.

Confred March 27th, 2021 06:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Started watching series, some brainstorming nonbinding thoughts:

DEVIL'S TOOTH, SWORD OF POWER

WOLF BLOOD WITCH

Sky Folk

WATER TUNNEL

Ullar

SirGalahad March 27th, 2021 07:11 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Nimue is tied to the natural world by connecting with "The Hidden." That connection has caused roots to come to life and drag enemies away from her; in one instance encasing the enemy in the branches of a growing tree.

That connection and associated power is greatly enhanced when she focuses and utilizes the Sword of Power. In a forest the trees took out an entire troop of mounted enemies. In melee combat, she has wiped out another full troop and in a separate incident, completely cleaved a man in half. Without calling on the power of the Sword, however, she is a very poor fighter, and after using it, she is very weakened.

Hope that gives some perspective.

JC McMinis March 27th, 2021 11:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
What do you think of this image for the card @SirGalahad

https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content...fit=1200%2C675

SirGalahad March 28th, 2021 03:16 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
That works well.

SirGalahad March 30th, 2021 12:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Nimue (pronounced NIM way)
Cursed
Television
Ullar

Fey
Unique Hero
Sorceress
Determined
Size: 5

Life: 4
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 4
Defense: 4


THE HIDDEN
When an opponent's small or medium figure moves onto a grass or swamp space within 3 spaces of Nimue, or moves onto a space adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece that is within 3 spaces of Nimue, that figure must end its move there. After moving and instead of attacking, roll the 20-sided die for each opponent's figure adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece within 3 spaces. If you roll 13 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

SWORD OF POWER
Once per round, before attacking with Nimue, you may choose to either:
• attack any or all figures adjacent to Nimue, rolling each attack separately; or
• add 3 to Nimue's Attack number this turn.
After using Sword of Power Nimue receives two wounds.

FEY HEALING
At the end of the round, if Nimue is unengaged, remove one wound marker from this card.

Points: ???

Dysole March 30th, 2021 01:15 PM

First Pass
 
My inclination is anywhere from 150-200 for that power set. It also really likes rats. If we wanna nerf it some either make it take an extra hex of movement or be a d20 roll.

~Dysole, who likes the powers though

SirGalahad March 30th, 2021 09:28 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Glad you like the powers.

Taeblewalker March 30th, 2021 11:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I don't know the source material but I really like The Hidden, and it sounds like the Sword of Power works as a once per round power.

Confred March 31st, 2021 12:19 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Good start, I'd like to keep watching to see how the show translates

Shiftrex March 31st, 2021 01:06 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I love terrain based powers and Fey things in general, I'll look a little more into the source matieral because I know little about this IP. Pretty offensive based melee stats for a sorceress, I'm guessing that is what the character is called in the show.

SirGalahad March 31st, 2021 05:43 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I wouldn't be opposed to dropping the Attack and Defense numbers down to 3.

Confred April 1st, 2021 01:25 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiftrex (Post 2457034)
I love terrain based powers and Fey things in general, I'll look a little more into the source matieral because I know little about this IP. Pretty offensive based melee stats for a sorceress, I'm guessing that is what the character is called in the show.

She easily cleaves people completely in two, taking out an entire squad in one round of combat.

Attack 5

JC McMinis April 2nd, 2021 12:33 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiftrex (Post 2457034)
Pretty offensive based melee stats for a sorceress, I'm guessing that is what the character is called in the show.

Personally if I was making this character for D&D 5e, based on what he has for power set, she would be an oath of the ancients paladin with a splash of druid. But that is 5e. But if she is called a sorceress in the show so be it.

JC McMinis April 2nd, 2021 12:38 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Here is the first draft of the card, I still have to do the gimp work for the hit zone.

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/69...glvdwwswzg.jpg

Dysole April 2nd, 2021 12:54 AM

Hmm
 
Just realized that it's possible to have a figure stop its movement in a place where it can't so maybe add an "if possible" to The Hidden (also you have a bracket in the power title)

As I think about it more that power REALLY hurts melee figures. If she is standing surrounded by 3 hexes of grass it takes melee figures a full ROUND to engage her assuming she doesn't move in which case it takes longer. I think we're much better off making it a Heavy Snow type effect like this.

THE HIDDEN
When an opponent's small or medium figure moves onto a grass or swamp space or adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece within 3 spaces of Nimue, that figure must count that hex as 2 spaces of movement. Instead of attacking with Nimue, you may roll the 20-sided die for each opponent's figure adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece. On a roll of 13 or higher the figure takes a wound.

That's still really good but doesn't just completely negate a melee army.

~Dysole, precautionary

Taeblewalker April 2nd, 2021 12:56 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looks good! Since she doesn't bond and is only a single figure activation, I would say her price should be around 100 or so (like Agent Carr and Syvarris).

Dysole April 2nd, 2021 01:53 AM

Much Better Than That
 
The Hidden is a very good power even with my nerf to it. Auto wounding is intense and the pieces she works well with are pretty common on maps. Self Healing is good. Whirlwind Attack of 5 is pretty good even if she takes a wound from it (she takes 2 but then heals one). As an aside, Confred said she does some impressive damage. If that's a regular thing than sure I can justify 5 attack, but if it's a special sword power than I think we can drop her down to 4 attack.

Anyway, my gut says somewhere in the 150-160 range but could go higher depending on what things look like and how she plays with rats.

~Dysole, bringing the pain

SirGalahad April 2nd, 2021 02:09 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Her spectacular attacks were only due to her calling on the power of the Sword. The Sword is supposedly cursed (hence the show's name), so that's why the really big attacks should come at a price.

Shiftrex April 2nd, 2021 05:31 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like the idea of changing the Hidden to an effect like heavy snow. Bores only has a 2 space wind aura and that's already strong against melee. 3 might be insurmountable.

She strikes a good balance right now I think. Cant get away with using the Sword of power too much but it looks like an excellent trade off for the wound cost.

SirGalahad April 2nd, 2021 08:17 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2456770)
Nimue (pronounced NIM way)
Cursed
Television
Ullar

Fey
Unique Hero
Sorceress
Determined
Size: 5

Life: 4
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 4
Defense: 4


THE HIDDEN
When an opponent's small or medium figure moves onto a grass or swamp space or adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece within 3 spaces of Nimue, that figure must count that hex as 2 spaces of movement. Instead of attacking with Nimue, you may roll the 20-sided die for each opponent's figure adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece within 3 spaces. On a roll of 13 or higher the figure takes a wound.

SWORD OF POWER
Once per round, before attacking with Nimue, you may choose to either:
• attack any or all figures adjacent to Nimue, rolling each attack separately; or
• add 3 to Nimue's Attack number this turn.
After using Sword of Power Nimue receives two wounds.

FEY HEALING
At the end of the round, if Nimue is unengaged, remove one wound marker from this card.

Points: ???

So are we good to move forward with this?

Confred April 3rd, 2021 11:15 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I haven't gotten far enough into the series to witness a movement mitigation power as strong as this. So far she has a Strangling Vine Counter Attack, Whirlwind Assault, and perhaps Water Tunnel.

I have also not witnessed Defense 4

I don't object, but I am sus

SirGalahad April 4th, 2021 01:52 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
STRANGLING VINES COUNTERATTACK
After rolling defense dice against an adjacent figure's attack, if Nimue is within 3 spaces of an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, you may roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 13 or higher the figure takes a wound.

DEFENSE 3


Thinking her points would need to come down to around 100.

Confred April 4th, 2021 08:57 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2457767)
STRANGLING VINES COUNTERATTACK
After rolling defense dice against an adjacent figure's attack, if Nimue is within 3 spaces of an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, you may roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 13 or higher the figure takes a wound.

DEFENSE 3


Thinking her points would need to come down to around 100.

After rolling defense dice against an adjacent figure's attack, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, the attacking figure receives a wound. Add 3 to your roll if Nimue is within 3 spaces of an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece.

Shiftrex April 4th, 2021 09:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
That looks really cool.

So, even if she gets wounded its a retaliation by nature on the attacker. Does it need to be specified as normal attack? In the case of things like the Zombie's special attack where it uses three figures.

Taeblewalker April 4th, 2021 09:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like the latest version.

SirGalahad April 6th, 2021 07:47 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
The latest:

Nimue (pronounced NIM way)
Cursed
Television
Ullar

Fey
Unique Hero
Sorceress
Determined
Size: Medium 5

Life: 4
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 3
Defense: 3

THE HIDDEN

After rolling defense dice against an adjacent figure's normal attack, roll the 20-sided die. Add 3 to your roll if Nimue is within 3 spaces of an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece. If you roll a 13 or higher, the attacking figure receives a wound.

SWORD OF POWER
Once per round, before attacking with Nimue, you may choose to either:
• attack any or all figures adjacent to Nimue, rolling each attack separately; or
• add 3 to Nimue's Attack number this turn.
After using Sword of Power Nimue receives two wounds.

FEY HEALING
At the end of the round, if Nimue is unengaged, remove one wound marker from this card.

Points: 90-100

Taeblewalker April 6th, 2021 10:55 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like that Fey Healing mitigates the life loss for the sword power, but I would probably either lower the wound loss to 1 wound, or give her 5 life.

Confred April 6th, 2021 11:55 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiftrex (Post 2457882)
That looks really cool.

So, even if she gets wounded its a retaliation by nature on the attacker. Does it need to be specified as normal attack? In the case of things like the Zombie's special attack where it uses three figures.

I'm okay with normal attack limitation

Taeblewalker April 7th, 2021 12:48 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Normal attack sounds right.


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