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Confred August 7th, 2021 10:26 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Do we want to keep it opponent's Wizards or open it to any Wizard so she could feasibly pod with Wizards such as Elves?

Confred August 7th, 2021 10:29 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Regarding Points. I don't think we need to make her 60 so the pod is 300 even because they should each have Mounts no? Mounts + 3 heroes = 500 (400)?

Tornado August 7th, 2021 10:37 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I am leaning more towards 'opponent's Wizards'.
Would love to see the horses/mounts. They would have to negate falling damage. :)

Confred August 7th, 2021 11:07 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Steam Link updated to reflect changes
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...?id=2563363243

Confred August 7th, 2021 11:08 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2475919)
I am leaning more towards 'opponent's Wizards'.
Would love to see the horses/mounts. They would have to negate falling damage. :)

Well She negates the falling damage.

Tornado August 7th, 2021 02:34 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
True

JC McMinis August 8th, 2021 03:09 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
For a mini are we going to use the one from the set we used for Ookla or we going to use something else?

SirGalahad August 8th, 2021 10:35 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Not sure why the Attack boost is for 7 spaces if her range is only 5.

Dysole August 9th, 2021 02:13 PM

Checkin
 
Does someone have a mockup of the current version? I've had 500 things on my hands and just now got around to this.

~Dysole, queryingly

Confred August 11th, 2021 02:57 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2476026)
Not sure why the Attack boost is for 7 spaces if her range is only 5.

Some Wizards have Range greater than 5.

I'm not bound to 7.

Confred August 22nd, 2021 06:31 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Design set to expire on Sept. 17
Next designer is @Sir Yeshua
Next after that is @Zetsubo

Left to do:
Define enhancement Range
Define Points
Playtest

Tornado August 23rd, 2021 09:02 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I am cool with 5 for Range and power range.
Where does that put us with the current version?

Not sure on points.

Tornado August 28th, 2021 02:57 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Anyone else?

JC McMinis August 28th, 2021 09:56 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I think this is kind of where we are at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/iSRN0nC.jpg

Shiftrex August 28th, 2021 10:11 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I think I like the left block, the right block and the powers. This is a fitting character for what I remember and plays pretty well. Is 60 the price point we want her at?

Dysole August 28th, 2021 11:21 PM

Power Update
 
Should be:

"When an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces..."


I think she's worth 75 just theoryscaping it. 5/5/5/4 with 5 life in her best matchup is really good and that's ignoring the other two powers. In her worst matchup 5/5/3/2 with some useful cheerleading is still at least worth as much as what James Murphy brings to the table.

~Dysole, with her cents worth

Taeblewalker August 29th, 2021 12:01 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
That sounds reasonable.

SirGalahad August 29th, 2021 12:28 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2478676)
I think this is kind of where we are at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/iSRN0nC.jpg

Just a suggestion:
Instead of just posting the card, also post the power text to make editing easier.

ENERGY BRIDGE
When Ariel or a friendly figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Ariel moves ...

Remove 2nd "and" in line 4

MAGE POWER
"of an opponent's Mage..."
Remove "figure"
Remove "both"
"values"

ENERGY RINGS
"When an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces..."
Remove comma after "spaces" , add "of Ariel"

Tornado August 29th, 2021 08:27 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looking better.
Maybe drop her Life to 4 if we want her at 60?
I could see dropping her Attack to 2 as well.
She is not usually super offensive.

Confred August 30th, 2021 06:57 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Life 5 still I think
Attack 2 sounds good.

Points 70?

Confred August 30th, 2021 07:09 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
ENERGY BRIDGE
Ariel and friendly figures may ignore all effects of terrain within 5 spaces of Ariel. Affected figures do not roll for falling damage.

WIZARD POWER
If Ariel is within 5 clear sight spaces of an opponent's Wizard figure, add 2 to her Attack and Defense values.

ENERGY RINGS
If an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces attacks Ariel or a friendly Barbarian or Gladiator within 5 clear sight spaces of Ariel, you may reveal and remove an X order marker that is on this card to immediately end the turn.

Life 5
Attack 2
Points 70

Wizard Power is a placeholder name. Opinions on class range? Just wizard? or add Mage, Archmage also? What about Warlock, Witch, Warwitch, Sorcerer, Sorceress, Shaman, where should it end?

Tornado August 30th, 2021 07:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I think just Wizard to keep it simple.
Maybe Wizard Rivalry?
Wizard Rival

Taeblewalker August 30th, 2021 07:57 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Don't forget Battlemage ;)

I think we should say Wizards and leave it at that. Unless we want to write up the Mages from the cartoon; then we can say Wizards and Mages.

Confred August 30th, 2021 09:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2478877)
I think just Wizard to keep it simple.
Maybe Wizard Rivalry?
Wizard Rival

I like Wizard Rival

JC McMinis August 30th, 2021 11:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
https://i.imgur.com/yq61dzN.jpg

ENERGY BRIDGE
Ariel and friendly figures may ignore all effects of terrain within 5 spaces of Ariel. Affected figures do not roll for falling damage.

WIZARD RIVALRY
If Ariel is within 5 clear sight spaces of an opponent's Wizard figure, add 2 to her Attack and Defense values.

ENERGY RINGS
If an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces attacks Ariel or a friendly Barbarian or Gladiator within 5 clear sight spaces of Ariel, you may reveal and remove an X order marker that is on this card to immediately end the turn.

Confred August 31st, 2021 06:29 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looks good.

Now to playtest

I'll get Steam link updated for Tabletop Simulator

Tornado August 31st, 2021 06:51 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Awesome

Taeblewalker September 2nd, 2021 09:56 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I'll be trying her out next week at the Brooklyn scape date with the NYC Gang of 4.

Tornado September 3rd, 2021 08:11 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Very cool. Tell the Gang I said hello.

Confred September 13th, 2021 10:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Thundarr the Barbarian
Ookla the Mok
Ariel the Princess?

Tornado September 13th, 2021 10:07 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I think I prefer just Ariel but open to the bonus title.

Confred September 13th, 2021 10:12 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Left to do:
Playtest
Confirm play true to character
Confirm Points
Confirm power names

Design set to expire on Sept. 17
Next designer is @Sir Yeshua
Next after that is @Zetsubo

Taeblewalker September 13th, 2021 10:12 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Princess sounds good - all three will be something The something.

Taeblewalker September 15th, 2021 07:39 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
He-man Clash for Eternia! Lots of great minis.

Tornado September 15th, 2021 08:34 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Leaving for Gen Con tomorrow.
I can run Ariel through some tests when I get back.
Did you get a chance to run her Taeblewalker?

Taeblewalker September 15th, 2021 10:52 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2480949)
Leaving for Gen Con tomorrow.
I can run Ariel through some tests when I get back.
Did you get a chance to run her Taeblewalker?

Yes at @chas house. Her powers didn't come into play often, but Energy Rings made an epic show when she stopped Quahon from attacking Thundarr and Ookla. She seemed to be worth her points. In the right build, she is better than Raelin at protecting her teammates, at least once per round with the X Order Marker. If you have custom rules for allowing more than one X (like the Glyph of Loki that was my entry in @Hex_Enduction_Hour 's custom glyph contest), she would be even more powerful.

EDIT: There were no Wizards in the game, so she didn't realize her full potential. Still, at 70 points she was worth drafting.

Confred September 16th, 2021 09:58 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 2480974)

EDIT: There were no Wizards in the game, so she didn't realize her full potential. Still, at 70 points she was worth drafting.

I hope the power is a flavor bonus, not a feel bad for when it doesn't happen.
She should be good enough, perhaps slightly overcosted without the power, and funbutter when it's active

Tornado September 16th, 2021 12:48 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Totally stealing funbutter.

JC McMinis September 16th, 2021 11:43 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
So besides adding Princess to Ariel's title are we changing anything else

Taeblewalker September 17th, 2021 12:09 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2481084)
So besides adding Princess to Ariel's title are we changing anything else

I don't think so. She is meant as a counter draft against Wizards to a point, but her other powers are a good complement to your army if you have Barbarians and Gladiators, even if your opponent doesn't have Wizards. I think she's fine as she is. Simply put, don't draft her unless you also draft Thundarr and Ookla and/or if your opponent is fielding Wizards.

Confred September 17th, 2021 09:27 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 2481087)
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2481084)
So besides adding Princess to Ariel's title are we changing anything else

I don't think so. She is meant as a counter draft against Wizards to a point, but her other powers are a good complement to your army if you have Barbarians and Gladiators, even if your opponent doesn't have Wizards. I think she's fine as she is. Simply put, don't draft her unless you also draft Thundarr and Ookla and/or if your opponent is fielding Wizards.

Which, I believe is acceptable?

Today is vote due date
My goal is to knock out unrelated workload and get a playtest in
Three thumbs up to approve design

Taeblewalker September 17th, 2021 06:37 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
:thumbsup:

Shiftrex September 17th, 2021 10:46 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Thumbs up :D

Confred September 17th, 2021 11:45 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiftrex (Post 2481171)
Thumbs up :D

Hate/love to be a stickler but rules be rules, literally needs to be thumbs emoji

Two ups extends vote deadline to Sunday. I finished my major commitments, moving to Tabletop Simulator to get in a test

Confred September 18th, 2021 12:51 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
ENERGY RINGS (Current)
If an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces attacks Ariel or a friendly Barbarian or Gladiator within 5 clear sight spaces of Ariel, you may reveal and remove an X order marker that is on this card to immediately end the turn.

ENERGY RINGS (variant - immediately - moved forward)
If an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces attacks Ariel or a friendly Barbarian or Gladiator within 5 clear sight spaces of Ariel, you may immediately reveal and remove an X order marker that is on this card to end the turn.

I used to be able to cite any power on a dime - Forgot where I got the placement for "immediately" : but when playing against Warforged Soldiers, we wondered the timing. If the immediately were moved forward, it would be pretty clear when

Taeblewalker September 18th, 2021 01:02 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
The change looks good.

Confred September 18th, 2021 01:10 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
After a playtest, a single test mind you, she couldn't scratch the Warforged Resolve, but even solo her powers feel like they're saucy yet appropriate. Bridge moves over snow, value magnifies with friendlies. Rings 1x every round are powerful, even more so when friendlies added in - but they aren't everything (which is good).
Butter is real.

My note before vote is placement of "immediately" in Energy Rings

@SirGalahad @Tornado @Sir Yeshua @Zetsubo @Knox @Shiftrex @JC McMinis @Taeblewalker @machinekng @McHotcakes @CJtheMighty @Barry allen @Dysole

Tornado September 18th, 2021 08:25 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
:thumbsup:


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