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Confred May 20th, 2021 08:57 PM

Re: Glass cannon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dysole (Post 2465257)
4 life and 2 defense with no ranged attack will fall really fast to any kind of sustained fire.

~Dysole, informationally

True to character however, will need to draft her with Raelin/etc.

Ignoring fragility, how do we like the points to power ratio?

Also, I took a lot of liberty with the wording on power 1. Do we like the functional shift?

Confred May 24th, 2021 09:10 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
This design is set to expire on Friday, June 18.

@Tornado is next to design lead
@Sir Yeshua is next after that

SirGalahad May 28th, 2021 08:51 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2464474)
DEVIL'S TOOTH, CURSED SWORD OF POWER v1.7
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, Nimue may have the Sword of Power enhance the attack by choosing one or both below. After the attack, the Cursed Sword of Power inflicts her with a wound for each mode chosen:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. They each roll defense dice separately.
Add 3 attack dice to the attack.

To me, it seems out of place that two of the powers direct the player while this one is directed at the figure. What about

CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either of both of the following:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

And it saves some words. :thumbsup:

Taeblewalker May 28th, 2021 10:35 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looks good.

Shiftrex May 28th, 2021 11:04 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Doesnt seem to crazy. The language seems direct, but I'm still learning scape legalism lol. I do appreciate the space that it saves.

SirGalahad May 28th, 2021 11:41 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2466287)
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

:duh:

Dysole May 28th, 2021 11:47 AM

Query
 
Why not "one or more of the following"?

~Dysole, trying to simplify

Confred May 28th, 2021 12:17 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2466287)
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

Quote:

Why not "one or more of the following"?
any or all of the following?

SirGalahad May 28th, 2021 01:09 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2466323)
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2466287)
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

Quote:

Why not "one or more of the following"?
any or all of the following?

English preferences.

Both 'more' and 'all' imply more than two options; whereas 'both' clearly indicates there are exactly two. (See what I did there? :D )

Confred May 28th, 2021 09:43 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Didn't know if Whirlwind Assault set the precedent

SirGalahad May 29th, 2021 02:08 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I've always been in favor of improving language whenever possible, but it is not a deal-breaker.

Confred May 29th, 2021 07:46 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I think Nimue needs to mentioned somewhere in the beginning part of the power text

SirGalahad June 1st, 2021 12:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When Nimue attacks an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

Confred June 2nd, 2021 11:59 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
"of the following" seems unneeded. Thoughts?

Looks good otherwise

Taeblewalker June 3rd, 2021 12:13 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2467065)
"of the following" seems unneeded. Thoughts?

Looks good otherwise

I think it does a pretty good job of clarifying.

Confred June 3rd, 2021 12:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 2467067)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2467065)
"of the following" seems unneeded. Thoughts?

Looks good otherwise

I think it does a pretty good job of clarifying.

Then I'm good. I'm heading out for a week. Would somebody write out what we currently have. Get some playtests . Perhaps even a vote, we do want to get those Points confirmed however.

JC McMinis June 8th, 2021 07:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Where we stand currently
https://www.mediafire.com/view/xbnvy...NIMUE.jpg/file

Confred June 11th, 2021 10:15 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2468113)

Stats and powers look good, exciting balance. I look forward to play test reports and voting

JC McMinis June 11th, 2021 10:38 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I was not able has to get it to post as a picture. Mediafire has changed their link system apparently so will have to figure it out once voting is complete and I put it in the display thread.

SirGalahad June 15th, 2021 09:27 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Can we lose the blank line under the first power name?

JC McMinis June 15th, 2021 09:42 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Yes I will fix that. It sometimes happens when I export it from the card maker to a jpg

Confred June 17th, 2021 12:54 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2469433)
Yes I will fix that. It sometimes happens when I export it from the card maker to a jpg

Yes, on mock cards assume graphics will improve but stamp down wording errors. Before final card voting is space fixing, image rigging.

Expect to test tomorrow afternoon. I'll post Steam link before I do.

Draft deadline is this Friday.
Voting deadline is next Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

Confred June 18th, 2021 01:03 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JC McMinis (Post 2468113)

@SirGalahad do we want to name the sword? or leave it CURSED SWORD OF POWER?

Call Out to the Hidden isn't a special attack.

After testing, 120 Points feels right. She's a glass cannon but a cannon

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...?id=2459457110

SirGalahad June 18th, 2021 04:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Agreed on the "not a SA". Saves us two lines. :)
Good with 120.

Confred June 18th, 2021 09:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2469743)
Agreed on the "not a SA". Saves us two lines. :)
Good with 120.

Design preference question: What do you suggest first power be named?

SirGalahad June 18th, 2021 10:02 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I'm good with "CURSED SWORD OF POWER"

Sums it up nicely.

Confred June 19th, 2021 10:49 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I'm good to vote, assuming card looks nice

:up:

Voting deadline is next Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

SirGalahad June 19th, 2021 12:13 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Do I need to make a motion to vote?

Dysole June 19th, 2021 12:19 PM

Query
 
There's a link from Confred and one from JC Mcminis. Which one is our current version of the card?

~Dysole, trying to sort this out

Shiftrex June 19th, 2021 12:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Upvote for the current draft.

Confred June 19th, 2021 02:13 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I withdraw my thumb

Should we make range 2 instead of 1 that way if she's adjacent to tree she'll always be able to hit melee?

Other thought, should we allow adjacent to tree and her? That way even on treeless maps she has value

Dysole June 19th, 2021 03:11 PM

So Lost
 
Not following how that applies to the cards. Which version is current?

~Dysole, perfectly fine if she's less useful on maps without a lot of trees; that makes sense

Confred June 20th, 2021 03:22 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Current Version
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When Nimue attacks an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
• Any or all adjacent figures are also
affected by the attack. They each roll
defense dice separately.
• Add 3 attack dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN
Instead of attacking, choose any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of Nimue. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 1 space of that object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

WATER TUNNEL
If Nimue ends her normal movement on a water space, you may immediately place her on an empty, same-level water space within 5 spaces. If Nimue is engaged when she starts her Water TunneI, she will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

::

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN (2 Spaces instead of 1)
Instead of attacking, choose any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of Nimue. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 2 spaces of that object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN (Also Nimue)
Instead of attacking, choose Nimue and any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of her. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 1 space of that figure or object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that figure's or object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

Shiftrex June 20th, 2021 03:29 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I feel like changing it to 2 range instead of 1 makes it really hard to play around on some maps.

Dysole June 20th, 2021 08:37 PM

Too Strong
 
Up to 2 spaces is SUPER good. I don't even follow a theme reason for Nimue to choose herself. I'm fine with her being less good on a treeless map.

~Dysole, noting this would hardly be the first figure that takes a hit when the map is not favorable

Taeblewalker June 20th, 2021 08:41 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like the range 2 version without choosing her. I still worry that she has low Life; Valguard makes up for his need to disengage to get first strike on a different figure by having 7 Life and surviving LEA.

Confred June 20th, 2021 09:19 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
2 range version came from the notion of her back up against a tree and not being able to use it

But with that said. my handful of games played fine with her as is.

Thoughts?

Taeblewalker June 20th, 2021 09:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
If you think she plays fine then I withdraw my objection to the low Life. Reluctantly.

Confred June 21st, 2021 07:31 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 2469896)
If you think she plays fine then I withdraw my objection to the low Life. Reluctantly.

Her low life adds tension to play that I feel is value. She's in that sweet spot of whiffs being "well damn" and still feeling like a power threat

I'm ok with power only having range 1 instead of 2

She might be able to go lower in Points, to 110. But I err on side of expensive.

Confred June 22nd, 2021 09:08 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Thoughts on range 1 v 2?

Points 120 v 110?

Voting deadline is this Friday.
Expiration deadline is next Friday.
@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

SirGalahad June 22nd, 2021 07:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
If range was playtested at 1 @ 120 and worked as expected, then I say keep that.

Shiftrex June 22nd, 2021 07:02 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I vote to stay with range 1, points 120.

Tornado June 22nd, 2021 07:52 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Agreed.

Dysole June 22nd, 2021 08:14 PM

Fixing What Ain't Broke
 
I concur with the others.

~Dysole, succinctly

Confred June 22nd, 2021 09:20 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
That appears to be all the major loose ends, is left panel good to everybody? Class/Personality - etc

Taeblewalker June 22nd, 2021 11:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2470603)
That appears to be all the major loose ends, is left panel good to everybody? Class/Personality - etc

It's all good.

Shiftrex June 23rd, 2021 12:24 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Looks good here!

Confred June 23rd, 2021 03:21 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I say we vote. Three thumbs up passes (two more beyond mine)

:up:

Voting deadline is this Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.


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