The Book of Spider-Man (Ultimate)
 

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Character Bio - Orphaned at the age of six, the Peter Parker of Earth 1610 is an outcast and withdrawn teenaged science prodigy from Queens, NY. His life changed forever during a trip to Oscorp, where he was bitten by a radioactive spider and given his spectacular super powers. Spider-Man is a neophyte superhero- guilt-stricken by the loss of his uncle- who quickly impresses A-lister like Captain America, Iron Man, Nick Fury, and Wolverine with his willingness to learn and strong moral code. Ultimately, the world learned that Peter was struck down in a battle with the Green Goblin after taking a bullet to save Captain America, inspiring Miles Morales to fill his shoes and become Spider-Man. Unbeknownst to much of Earth-1610, the Oz Serum that mutated Peter Parker gave him another superpower: immortality.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:

• As a figure named Spider-Man, Spider-Man may be chosen for Silver Sable's The Outlaws special power.
• As a Mutate, Spider-Man has these Mutate Synergies.
• As a Crime Fighter, Spider-Man has these Crime Fighter Synergies.
• As a figure with the Swing Line special power, Spider-Man has these Swing Line Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

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Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: Ericth74
• First playtest: Arch-vile
• Second playtest: Mr. Nobody
• Third playtest: Shiftrex
• Art: Comic, Figure, Background
• Card Art by Dr. Jekyll

Re: The Book of Spider-Man (Peter Benjamin Parker) - Design
 

NAME = Spider-Man (Earth 1610)
SECRET IDENTITY = PETER PARKER (Crossover Symbol)

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = RESOLUTE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 170

ULTIMATE SACRIFICE
If a friendly figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man would receive one or more wounds from an enemy figure's attack, if possible, Spider-Man may use Swing Line to move adjacent to the defending figure. If he does, Spider-Man must receive those wounds instead.

STEP UP
When Spider-Man or a figure you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man receives one or more wounds from an enemy figure's attack, or the Ultimate Sacrifice special power, during your next player turn, you may add 2 to Spider-Man's Attack number while attacking that opponent's figure with an adjacent normal attack.

SWING LINE 4
Instead of his normal move, Spider-Man may move up to 4 spaces with Swing Line. When moving with Swing Line, Spider-Man has the Flying special power, but may not move up or down more than 40 levels in a single swing, and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

SUPER STRENGTH

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The art post should have mini photos, comic art, and potential backgrounds for the minis. Don't have to get them straight away, I didn't get Cammy backgrounds until her playtesting was pretty much done. For an idea how to lay that out just look at some of the other books. I've always done it with the 3 sections in their own spoilers. You'll want some large images. First one might be okay but is a bit blurry. Second one is very small and probably won't fit on the card too well.

Design looks good! Is there a certain faction in mind for him? I can see him being great in a Fighter build, keeping Luke Cage or Wolverine healthy. And always been a fan of Go The Distance.

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Yeah I feel like it’s gotta be Bagley!

Something we discussed when approving the design - it’d be neat if he had something a bit more active to do during his turn. Currently, his gameplay will
mostly look like moving him up, then having him sit around using his passive powers.

That probably looks like switching up Swing Line for something more involved. That kinda sucks, since Swing Line is such a classic ‘amateur Spidey’ power, but now that we’re like…30 Spiders in, it could be worth switching it up.

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I'd suggest making the name Peter Parker with a Crossover symbol. I feel like Peter Parker synergy is something that's inevitable down the line, whether for a civilian Peter Parker, Mary Jane, etc. and it'd be a bummer for this Spidey to miss out on that. I'm guessing you went with Peter Benjamin Parker in case we get a second Ultimate Spidey down the line, but personally I think it's fine if they end up being played together.

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Valiant is an interesting personality choice here. Is it thematic for him to be able to pick up Mjolnir?

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In 1610, Magneto picked up Mjolnir. Anyone could. :p That said I'm not committed to the personality type, I just looked through the list until I found one that seemed good. I wasn't aware of the Mjolnir synergies.

I'm in favor of the crossover symbol. I originally wanted to give him a Thanos-esque resurrection power, and since a number of people I talked to at the time did not like that aspect of the character I kind of felt some pressure to remove it in the spirit of collaboration. Someone suggested changing his secret identity to leave the door open for a V2, but even if that happened they could *both* have crossover symbols.

100%!

I'm in agreement that he could probably use a more active power and have had that exact thought. Something that comes to mind is some kind of power representing his ability to perform under pressure, maybe an attack buff if he's adjacent to opposing figures? Alternatively, we could look at his history of having mentor figures and do something aming those lines.

I am somewhat hesitant to cut Swing Line, if only because it feels odd that he wouldn't have Spider-Verse synergies. Is there a way we can achieve that without adding a fourth, fully fleshed out power?

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Is he involved in Spider-Verse? Could just add the Spider-Verse tag to a power if you didn't give him one of the swinging powers.

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Wow, I forgot to respond to this 💀

I'd love him to play well with fighters, in my mind he's very street level. Would also like to see him in Spider-Verse builds if possible but think the first route is more interesting.

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I think you can do both?

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Yup what Skin said, if you replace Swing Line, you just put
Spider-Verse: Punchy Swingy power or whatever you wanna call it.

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For the Mjolnir thing just wanted to make sure you were aware of the interaction and that it was desirable. :up:

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Yeah, synergies are here if you wanna see what personalities grant you. ;)

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Yeah I’d avoid Valiant, we’ve historically saved that for Superman and Thor types. Something that sells this as a younger Spidey would be cool.

Spider Agility off of Ghost Spider and Miles II is a fun lightweight active ability. All 3 current powers are pretty simple, so he could probably handle a 4th?

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Some other options too, if you want something that keeps a bit of web movement, are perhaps something akin to Web Slinger from the first C3G Spider-Man, or Acrobatic Arachnid from Spider-Man (Transformers).

Spider Agility is a fun power though, love Ghost Spider and Miles II!

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I like the "attack buff if engaged" idea, come to think of it, I don't know if any other Spiders have it, which is surprising since for someone with super strength the punches should hit harder than the ranged webs. Spidey should have like 6 attack like old cap up close.

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Almost every spider has something that encourages them to be up close, usually not just an attack bull. Spider Agility on Gwen and Anya and Miles is double attack only if engaged for example. Spider Slinger only technically works while adjacent. Etc… it was something we specifically planned for.

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Noir Spider-Man has a bonus on his shakedown power.

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How would we just feel about giving him Spider-Agility and upping his cost a little?

I don't love the idea of removing his swinging power because it would just kinda feel awkward to have him easily hindered during movement.

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Friendly neighborhood thread bump.

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What’s the text on Spider Agility?

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An example from Ghost Spider:

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That wouldn't be the worst addition. You could also go with Web Swing instead of Swing Line and put a Spider-verse tag on Ultimate Sacrifice.

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Why would you need a Spider-Verse tag there? All the powers also call out Web Swing.

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I'm not opposed to Web Swing, but I'd rather see Swing Line. Swing Line was introduced as a way to make the character a more "active" player on his turns, rather than just being something you play for the passives. I don't feel like Web Swing solves this issue.

Good callout. Thank you!

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Swing Line predates Web Swing. I'm not sure what you mean by "more active" here. Web Swing just gives you more movement flexibility and little moves, which is a lot like Spider Agility, just without a double attack.

Oh, did you mean *Spider Agility* was there to make him more active and a change to a little bit more involved of a movement power isn't enough?

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I'm sorry, I got mixed up here and had confused Swing Line with Spider-Agility.

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I guess if we're going with "amateur" Spidey, then Spider-Agility feels off?

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Miles and Ghost Spider have similar levels of experience, no?

I'll try to think of an alternative.

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I don't honestly know. :shrug: This guy in general isn't an area of expertise for me. Just trying to fill the vacuum of feedback a little if I can. :-P

In general I don't *love* four power cards, but I understand wanting something to give him more to do on his turn.

Is "Go the Distance" really that thematic for him?

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I like Go The Distance to keep him from being 'different flavor Jocasta.'

Maybe something like this in place of Swing Line?
Web Control is a bad name and wording could probably be massaged, but I hope the idea comes across. Moving enemy figures around is hardly something new for a Spidey, but moving friendlies around easily could be useful.

Alternatively, maybe we could use Skin Of His Teeth instead of Go The Distance?
Very much a similar thing, but requiring an OM on him might encourage him to be more active at times?

I still don't mind Spider-Agility either, fwiw.

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Skin of his Teeth does feel very “young, in over his head” Spidey.

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Spider-Agility only really works as a power if he has Swing Line, if you switch out Swing Line you'll need to drop Agility.

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Can the SP get updated with where you are at right now? Been a few suggestions here so hard to tell where you are right now. Generally like what it seems like the direction is as far as leaning him more active is. Especially dig the Skin of His Teeth direction, but might want to ping @Lord Pyre to ask if adding an Order Marker requirement here might hurt his Spider-Verse pull.

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Sorry about the delay, haven't had a ton of brainpower lately.

If you want to have a passive Spidey, might as well let him be a passive Spidey. I do worry a bit about the stacking of Ultimate Sacrifice, Go the Distance, and Pavitr's life saving gadgets, but I'm sure that's not the worst thing we have in this game and they're also lacking in offensive power.

If you want to force OMs on his card to try to get him used, Skin of his Teeth seems cool. For Spider-Verse synergies, Otto doesn't like others having OMs, so you'd be pushing him into more of a Spider-UK build, which is probably totally fine, just something to note. Another option is to combine the OM ideas here into a big ol' spider-life-saving-slushie.


Also nerfs it a tad in other generalist builds. Spider-Verse doesn't care about the "X" marker outside of Anti-Venom's healing, so you'd always have at least one OM on him to burn.

If you want an active combat power, I'd hit the same theme maybe to pair nicely with Sacrifice?

That way you get the choice as a player, do the right thing and save your friend, or miss out and have to avenge Uncle Ben instead. Obviously there's not much room for anything else (I definitely would want to keep Swing Line), but it sounds like it might be fun to play.

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Still kicking around the ideas mentioned here. Would like to get the SPs updated for consideration by tomorrow evening.

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Sounds good. :up: No hurries, just don't leave us hanging. :-)

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How is something like this? I'm hesitant to go with 4 powers, but 3 of them are pretty text light.

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I can dig it. :up: Give everything a once over for typos though.

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Like I said in my post, I don't really see why we have to try to shoehorn in a need to take turns with him. With as large and expansive Spider-Verse already is, we can let designs just be good at one thing. I'd rather cut Agility and let him be a passive Spidey, rather than try to shove a 4th one on there.



Or, if we really want a reason to take turns with him, make the powers a little more cohesive together. Go the Distance and Sacrifice work well together themselves, but they don't mesh with wanting to take a turn with him.

Re: The Book of Spider-Man (Peter Benjamin Parker) - Design
 

LP has a better read on what will make this character feel "right" than I do, so I'm happy to defer to him.

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I agree.

I think Spider Agility is pretty unneeded here from the couple of times I've played vs Spiderverse folks. I think a passive spider is a good addition. I can see this slotting into my Luke Cage (fighter) armies for some fun.

Re: The Book of Spider-Man (Peter Benjamin Parker) - Design
 

I'm going to be honest- this doesn't feel like a passive character, which is something I realized early in the LD. The character isn't someone who would sit and watch a fight imo.

That said, if that's what Spider-Verse and Fighter armies need most I suppose that change makes sense. I realize you can't cover every aspect of a 140+ issue run in one design.

Re: The Book of Spider-Man (Peter Benjamin Parker) - Design
 

If you don't love the design or where it's going, feel free to pull it and get it back to your vision of this Spidey. Even if it's a total redesign, you, and we, want you to be happy with it and have it be something that you and everyone else wants to play.

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I'll pitch this power again:


Gives him a bit of a "reluctant" feel, but lets him hit really hard when he needs to. Still works fine with the protection power, and lets him be either a protector or avenger as needed. Paired with Otto or Pavitr, you can swap an OM to him or take a turn with him if your next turn will work really well with his attack boost.

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Does this have too much going on? Is it worth bumping his life up one if we remove Go the Distance?

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Looks like a solid set of powers that would work well together. I think you could either go 6 life or bump up his defense with that powerset.