Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Workshop
DARK AVENGERS
H.A.M.M.E.R. THUNDERBOLTS Designed Dark Avengers: Iron Patriot (Norman Osborn) Potential Dark Avengers: First Team: Ares Hawkeye (Lester ???) Ms. Marvel (Karla Sofen) Sentry/Void Spider-Man/Venom (Mac Gargan) Wolverine (Akihiro) Second Team: Ai Apaec Ms. Marvel (Deidre Wentworth) Ragnarok Scarlet Witch (June Covington) Trick Shot Wolverine (Tomi Shishido) Designed Cabal Members: Doctor Doom Emma Frost Namor The Hood Potential Cabal Members: Loki (female) Norman Osborn Designed HAMMER Members: none Potential HAMMER Members: HAMMER Agents Norman Osborn Superia Victoria Hand Original OP:
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Moonstone should be Ms. Marvel during the H.A.M.M.E.R. run.
I could see Venom simply having a Chomp power that only works on squad figures, maybe that removes a wound as well. Although with healing and Symbiotic Senses, he could get very hard to take down. I always thought Iron Patriot would be a good place to re-use Master Motivator, but I like what you've done here too. I could see Bullseye having Finish The Job, although that might make him too similar to Deadshot. I think Green Arrow II's piercing damage mechanic could also work well. Wolverine (Daken) would be hard to distinguish from Classic Wolverine. His claws aren't adamantium, but just bone, so that could be a difference. Maybe 5 life, 6 move and the same stats as classic but with CCE? |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
For Dark Avengers Initiate, I'm not loving the class changing aspect, as I fear we already have too many overlapping powers of those sorts in play, to the point where adding such a global one as this could create too many problems for me.
Also, the Avenger thing seems to be markers, right? I'd rather you could place a Dark Avenger marker on like up to 5 figures of those classes you control at the start of the game and do it like that. I like Norman Osbourne's write up a lot. Master Manipulator is a lot more interesting with the tension provided by Goblin Within. I'll try to take a look at the rest of these some time in the future, but those two interest me most right now. :-) |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
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What he does is turn criminals and psychopaths into agents of the law. I just can't seem to think of a way to do that elegantly. :? |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Your "gross" is my "consistent" at least. :-P But the fact that currently you can put multiples of these markers on a single card does hit me as "gross".
You could just give him a leadership power that helps him direct criminals and psychopaths ala Kingpin, without an actual class change. :shrug: Are there enough lawmen synergies out there that we care about them getting? (You were going Operative anyway, so I'm thinking no). |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
The problem with simply keeping them as Criminals is that they'll be getting Criminal boosts - Kingpin can order them around, Black Mask can help them out, that sort of thing. Iron Patriot's army should be "the good guys." He shouldn't be a part of the Criminal faction.
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
But were they really good guys anyway? Are back door dealings with criminals out of the question?
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Hmm, that's a fair point... there is certainly a lot of "backdoor" feel to it all.
I suppose, as long as we can find a way to make Iron Patriot in charge and not holding hands with other Criminal leaders, it would be workable. |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Give him a power like Kingpin's and they'd be redundant drafts. :shrug:
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
How about something like:
CRONYISM While Iron Patriot is in play, whenever an Army Card you control refers to the Agent class, it refers to the Criminal, Assassin, and Thief classes as well. Not sure exactly how well that idea translates, or how useful it would be really. |
Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Oye. Even more class chaos. :-P
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
One thing I want to sort of capture is the "volatile" relationship between Iron Patriot and his team - if he doesn't keep his eye on them, they're not going to follow orders. I feel like some retooling is necessary for that, though, looking over his powers... at this point I feel like dropping the class change is probably a good idea.
But at the same time I really like the theme of his "team" working with him, but his team - the guys in the first post - shouldn't be any more loyal than the average criminal. For the most part, they aren't! So in that case, I'd change their classes back to normal - Assassin, Psychopath, all that. I'm not sure if I want to give Psychopaths any synergy, but at the same time, it'd be odd just calling Mac Gargan a "Criminal," y'know? Bah so much thinking... I do like Master Motivator, the more I think of it, and I'd like to give him some sort of general Order Marker Hog power. Maybe some sort of reverse self-importance? Where Order Markers can end up activating the wrong figure? |
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