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Ronin August 19th, 2021 02:25 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Personally I think the Regeneration-style healing is a big part of the hook here and I'd be reluctant to move away from it. The healing power as it stands is definitely doing a side of life-drain stuff. Not the main feature, but the life drain theme is in there. It's a different spin on sacrificing people than what we originally had, but it still tracks thematically for me.

Spitballing, here's a third take riffing on Soundwarp's and Ark's:

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Instead of attacking with Death Mask, roll one combat die for each Wound Marker on this card. For each skull or blank rolled, remove a Wound Marker from this card. For each shield rolled, you must choose Death Mask or a (friendly?) figure adjacent to Death Mask to receive a wound.
Slightly amped-up spin (healing on blanks now), but with some potential blowback on Death Mask that you can have someone else absorb. Or you can just risk it. There's still that Doom-y "playing with fire" layer on top (amping the power level but with a possible downside if you're not careful), but it's solidly a healing power vs any kind of life drain thing.

IAmBatman August 19th, 2021 07:13 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
I can dig it. :up:

Arkham August 19th, 2021 07:14 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Looks fun to me.

Ronin August 20th, 2021 11:20 AM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Promising initial feedback! Any thoughts from @japes ? Also any takes on the friendly restriction I wasn't sure about in there?

japes August 20th, 2021 01:17 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
I like that actually.

I’m ok either way on the friendly.

Arkham August 20th, 2021 02:12 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Good with either. I’d imagine it’s just a matter of points really more than balance. May lean towards leaving it open as it creates more strategic placement opportunities.

Ronin August 20th, 2021 05:40 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Awesome! Any other thoughts/feelings/concerns? (From anyone, but particularly calling out @Dr. Jekyll as the last member of the initial brainstorm group)

Dr. Jekyll August 20th, 2021 06:22 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Sorry I haven't commented here in a while. I really dig that power, I think it would be cool to leave out the friendly part. Having him put wounds on anyone while attempting to heal would be fun and make some opponents think twice about engaging him. Either way, it sounds pretty cool and is going in a good direction.

Ronin August 20th, 2021 08:39 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
Right on! Updated the SP. Will plan on knocking an initial out this weekend.

japes August 21st, 2021 12:12 AM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Wait for Initial)
 
woo hoo.

SirGalahad August 22nd, 2021 07:51 AM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Design)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin (Post 2473867)
CRIMINAL MASTERMIND GUY
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and before taking a turn with Death Mask, you may take a turn with a Unique Hero you control that is an Assassin or Criminal. You may not take additional turns with figures other than Death Mask. At the end of that Hero's turn and at the end of Death Mask's turn, if Death Mask's Target received at least one wound during that turn, roll an unblockable attack die against the Target.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
Instead of attacking with Death Mask, roll one combat die for each Wound Marker on this card. For each skull or blank rolled, remove a Wound Marker from this card. For each shield rolled, you must choose Death Mask or a figure adjacent to Death Mask to receive a wound.

Sorry, late to the party.

Clarifying questions:

The "during that turn" seems like it could cause confusion. Is it referring to the Criminal/Assassin's turn, Death Mask's turn, or the player's turn?

Potential questions (with my understanding of the answers). If these aren't what everyone else is thinking, please advise.

The unblockable against the Target only gets rolled if you take the additional turn with the Assassin/Criminal and the Target received a wound during either the Assassin/Criminal's turn or Death Mask's turn?
(YES)

Target = Superman

OM1 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who wounds Target. Death Mask attacks but does not wound Target. Roll the unblockable?
(YES)

OM2 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who does not wound Target. Death Mask attacks and wounds Target. Roll the unblockable?
(YES)

OM3 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who does not wound Target. Death Mask engages Target and uses BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, wounding Target. Roll the unblockable?
(YES)

Thank you for aiding with an old man's feeble-mindedness. :grandfather:

Ronin August 22nd, 2021 07:09 PM

Re: The Book of Death Mask (Design)
 
(Allowing that this isn't really a Ronin LD, my understanding of our intent here)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirGalahad (Post 2477645)
The "during that turn" seems like it could cause confusion. Is it referring to the Criminal/Assassin's turn,

Yes

Quote:

Death Mask's turn,
Yes.

Quote:

or the player's turn?
No.

Quote:

Potential questions (with my understanding of the answers). If these aren't what everyone else is thinking, please advise.

The unblockable against the Target only gets rolled if you take the additional turn with the Assassin/Criminal and the Target received a wound during either the Assassin/Criminal's turn or Death Mask's turn?
No. No activation required, happens at the end of each figure's (Death Mask and anyone activated with CMG's) turn.

Quote:

Target = Superman

OM1 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who wounds Target. Death Mask attacks but does not wound Target. Roll the unblockable?
Roll at the end of Lex's turn. Do not roll at the end of Death Mask's turn.

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OM2 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who does not wound Target. Death Mask attacks and wounds Target. Roll the unblockable?
Do not roll at the end of Lex's turn. Roll at the end of Death Mask's turn.

Quote:

OM3 on Death Mask, takes turn with Battlesuit Lex who does not wound Target. Death Mask engages Target and uses BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, wounding Target. Roll the unblockable?
Same as previous.

It seems like you're interpreting what's in the SP:

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At the end of that Hero's turn and at the end of Death Mask's turn, if Death Mask's Target received at least one wound during that turn, if yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah
As something more like:

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At the end of your player turn, if Death Mask's Target received at least one wound during that turn, if yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah.
Open to suggestions if that's a common reading of the power. Could easily phrase it more like:

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After taking a turn with Death Mask or any Hero activated by this special power, if yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah.


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