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Tornado June 30th, 2019 03:30 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Here are the results.


Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990]

R1: Bucky Marks Reed for Death. Sue hops in on the driver's side of the Sports Car and straps Atom into the child seat, Stark moves, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up in front of Reed who moves in front of the Sports Car. Carol moves, wounds Reed. Iceman moves, Tony charges in, taking the high road, KOs Carol(yikes), Reed moves. Bucky moves, misses.

R2: Tony wounds Cap, Reed waits. Cap moves, misses. Tony 2wounds Cap, Iceman moves, misses, Sue drives the Sports Car behind Reed and Tony, misses. Bucky climbs, wounds Reed. Tony wounds Cap, Reed misses. Shocker moves, wounds Reed.

R3: Cap misses. Tony miss. Iceman KOs Cap, Sue H&R(3) and returns, misses, Reed moves, misses. Winter misses. Reed 3wounds Winter. Shocker moves, misses(2,3/8shields) but Vibro Knockbacks the Sports Car two spaces.

R4: Shocker misses Sports Car(3/8shields ) but it gets Knockback 3 spaces leaving Reed out of Force Field range, KOs Reed and OM1, Winter hybernates. Shocker misses. Tony moves, KOs Shocker.

Winner: Sports Car, Iron Man, Ice Man, Atom and Sue: All Full




Re-Match
Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990]

R1: Reed is Marked. Sue(driver) and Atom hop in the Car, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up on the road, Reed moves in front. Winter moves, wounds Sports Car(2/8shields). Tony moves, 2wounds Winter, Reed moves. Winter moves, blanks out on Sports Car(3/8shields).

R2: Cap moves, misses Sports Car(2/8shields), misses Tony, wounds Reed. Tony takes high ground, wounds Winter, Sue drives off road, H&R(15), wounds Cap, misses Cap, Reed misses Cap. Carol moves, 2wounds Sports Car(2shields) from high ground. Iceman moves, misses Winter, Iron Man KOs Winter, misses Carol but takes a wound, Sue H&R(3), misses Cap, misses Cap, Reed charges in and wraps Carol and Cap, misses. Shocker moves in, misses Reed but Vibro Knocks him back two spaces, misses an Evergreen Tree, Carol, now free of pesky Reed, destroys an Evergreen Tree which falls on the Sports Car(KO'd, no spill over damage), wounds Sue and Atom. Tony takes a wound while missing Carol, Reed grabs Atom and sets him next to Carol while Wrapping her and Cap, misses.

R3: Tony wounds Carol, Reed 3wounds Cap who misses. Tony takes one, gives two to Carol, Reed misses. Shocker moves, misses, Knocksback Reed, Carol avoids a swipe from Atom, engages Sue and Iceman, wounds Sue. Reed moves, misses. Cap moves, 2wounds Sue, Carol KOs Sue. Reed KOs Cap. Shocker 4wounds Reed, Knocks him to Carol who KOs him.

R4: Tony dies from self inflicted wounds. Shocker KOs Atom, Carol KOs Iceman.

Winner: Ms. Marvel 3/5wounds, Shocker: Full


One interesting thing is so far, I have had zero spill over damage. That is a real potential negative that has just not come up yet but should help to keep their cost in check.
I could see maybe dropping Defense to 5.

Tornado June 30th, 2019 04:46 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Is there playtest sheet for DOs, VDOs?

Ronin June 30th, 2019 04:49 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Just the normal sheet.

Tornado June 30th, 2019 04:52 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
OK, thanks Ronin. I will make it more official looking tomorrow if I get a chance.

IAmBatman July 1st, 2019 01:47 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Sounds perfect. :up: Once you do, I'll read things over and propose for Public Testing.

Tornado July 4th, 2019 07:56 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Crap. Forgot to do the play test report here. I knew I was forgetting something. :)
Probably Saturday if I remember. Pester me this weekend.

IAmBatman July 4th, 2019 09:14 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Pester pester. :-P I was planning to soon, but figured I'd give you the holiday off!

Tornado July 6th, 2019 11:54 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT SPORTS CAR

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? No, mostly because I played it wrong.

- What should be the unit's point value? 100??.
- Give a brief overview. Fantastic Sports Car line-up.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car x2(200), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Lady Blackhawk(110), Iron Man: Hasbro(240) vs. Frank, Dragon Man, Wendigo & Skrull Infiltrator[1000].
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 100 feels close.
- Give a brief overview. A Re-Match of above played correctly, hopefully.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car x2(200), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Lady Blackhawk(110), Iron Man: Hasbro(240) vs. Frank, Dragon Man, Wendigio & Skrull Infiltrator[1000].
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 100.
- Give a brief overview. I tried to make the Sports Car into a full fledged tank with the Sue and Atom combo. The enemy has no choice but to attack the Car with 8 defense.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990].
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? 100.
- Give a brief overview. Re-Match of above. I tried to hold back Carol a bit and use Shocker to move the Fantastics out of position, which proved to be incredibly effective.
Map: City Park.
Units:
Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990].
Spoiler Alert!
Spoiler Alert!


THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Pretty solid. The biggest concern is really Invisible Woman and Atom at least that I can come up with and I was able to defeat them though Reed had some terrible activation rolls. I could see maybe dropping Defense to 5 to make it less tank-y.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: So much fun. Running over enemies, throwing it in reverse and firing out the windows was a blast. We just need to keep an eye on it being too tough with the F4 but if we can balance it with them it should be good with anyone else. An important note is I never had any spill over damage which makes me wonder if we should go back to the old method or if the F4 simply got lucky.

IAmBatman July 6th, 2019 12:57 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Sweet! I'll link to the OP here and hopefully read through them this afternoon and make a proposal. Thanks for posting those and getting them done, T-Spinny! :-)

IAmBatman July 6th, 2019 03:05 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Initial Test Posted!
 
Tests look good. I propose we move this to Public Playtesting!

Ronin July 6th, 2019 04:01 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
yea

Yodaking July 6th, 2019 04:18 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
yea

Tornado July 6th, 2019 04:20 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
Yea

IAmBatman July 7th, 2019 08:58 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
One more will do it! Question is whether another Hero or Legend is actually interested in these. :-P Maybe @quozl ?

quozl July 7th, 2019 10:09 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
Good morning!

Yea

IAmBatman July 7th, 2019 01:22 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting
 
:woot: This passes to Public Playtesting.

IAmBatman July 9th, 2019 04:52 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Any suggestions/things I should try out in testing @Tornado ?

Tornado July 9th, 2019 05:44 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
The Sue and Atom combo is a must test.
Reed and Sue were my main focus.
Maybe a Ms. Marvel build? She can ride shotgun and let her bonding partner drive her around.
We may want to call in the CRB for some suggestions beyond that.
Rocket Raccoon and Warmachine maybe. It seems like you could exploit the no engagement and movement to set up Chain Gun and what RR has.
Blob and other negative figures to drop it off n someone may not be great as someone really needs to stay in the car, ideally both.
Atom is really awesome as he can be Carried into the Car and with Tiny Stealth, there is no way to attack him. Atom and Ant Man make for some cheap tank drivers.

IAmBatman July 9th, 2019 07:17 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
The Ms. Marvel idea is a good one. She can already do that with figures that have Carry, but this adds free defense and opens up your options for bonding characters a lot.

Anybody with passive shooting powers (i.e. Rocket and the Roy Harper family) makes some sense, yeah.

Martian Manhunter is probably a decent one too.

Tornado July 9th, 2019 07:37 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Oh yeah, no way to attack him directly and he can lead from the Car.

Tornado July 10th, 2019 11:14 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Cap's All American Gas Station is ready to fuel up your Sports Car. :)
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quozl July 10th, 2019 11:20 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2295179)
Oh yeah, no way to attack him directly and he can lead from the Car.

You can always enter the car and attack though, right?

Tornado July 10th, 2019 11:25 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Not if it is full. So if you put two Tiny Stealth/Intangible/Invisible figures in there, you have to attack the Car.

quozl July 10th, 2019 11:50 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Are we lowering the Defense for the public tests?

IAmBatman July 10th, 2019 01:33 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quozl (Post 2295312)
Are we lowering the Defense for the public tests?

I'd be in favor. @Tornado @Ronin @tcglkn (cuz the Sports Car is your LD) any thoughts?

100 is a nice price point to fit it into armies, but I'm thinking it might be undercosted with its current survivability.

We could also lower the Life. Not sure why a car should be harder to kill than, say, Batman.

Tornado July 10th, 2019 01:37 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Yeah, mostly because of Invisible Woman.
Less Defense and or Life is a good dial to turn here and gives us room to move up with future VDOs.

IAmBatman July 10th, 2019 01:38 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Do we want to go -1/-1? So 5 Defense and 3 Life? Seems like plenty for a fancy car.

Tornado July 10th, 2019 02:35 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Sure, that sounds solid.

Tornado July 10th, 2019 07:57 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
No love for the gas station?

IAmBatman July 10th, 2019 08:10 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2295586)
No love for the gas station?

Meant to comment, but got caught up. Itís pretty sweet. Whereíd you get it?

Tornado July 10th, 2019 08:59 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Walmart. Made by someone called Greenlight. Vintage Gas Station. Chevron Gasolines. 1:64
I have only seen it at one.store though but I believe it is available online.
It is die-cast metal and pretty sweet.
Garage doors open and close. Weird thing is there is no roof on the garage but that is easy to modify. Oh and the side wall of the garage is removable.

Yodaking July 10th, 2019 09:00 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Nice find! I'll have to keep an eye out for that at my local Walmarts then.

Tornado July 10th, 2019 09:26 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Looks like you can get different versions including plain white.
Also there is a Mechanics Shop and a Police Station that look pretty good.
Could make for some easily obtainable buildings.

Yodaking July 10th, 2019 09:38 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Easy to obtain, not easy to make official C3G terrain pieces. I might go crazy and buy one of each though.

IAmBatman July 10th, 2019 09:47 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Nice. I hope after you go Legend you go all in on terrain stuff with me, T-Spinny. :-D I'd love to see you LD that (and help me finish off the small house, apartment complex, bookshelf skyscrapers, etc.).

Tornado July 10th, 2019 09:47 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Ain't that the truth baby. :)

I am almost ready for a third try. Just need to get Photoshop.

IAmBatman July 12th, 2019 03:20 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
First test in! I like the rules as is, but they can definitely make for strong combinations. My opinion is that this makes VDOs very valuable, even with weaker stats, so rather than tweaking the rules or making VDOs worth more than Batman, I think we should keep going as is, but lower the Sports Cars' stats even further (3 Life, 4 Defense?).

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: SPORTS CAR/DRAFTABLE VDO RULES
[COLOR=red]***Testing Sports Car with 4 Life and 5 Defense****[/COLOR=red]
Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Martian Manhunter (300), Black Canary (190), Oracle (110), Robin (Dick) (100), Green Arrow (150), Sports Car (x2) (200), Red Arrow (150) (1200) vs Fantastic Four (1,000), Wasp (I) (50), Iceman (150) (1200)
Spoiler Alert!

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Tornado July 12th, 2019 04:02 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Agreed. Try that.
Cool to see some carry over damage.

IAmBatman July 12th, 2019 04:04 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Cool. :up: Setting up for number two now. Should be able to get through it by some time tomorrow, hopefully.

IAmBatman July 13th, 2019 04:33 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
[COLOR=red]***Testing Sports Car with 3 Life and 4 Defense****[/COLOR=red]
Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Captain America (240), Ms. Marvel (350), Sharon Carter (90), Wasp (50), Sports Car (x2) (200), Beast (170) (1100) vs Black Canary (190), Oracle (110), Green Arrow (150), Red Arrow (150), Batman (I) (200), Robin (Dick Grayson) (100), Lady Blackhawk (110), Commissioner Gordon (90) (1100)
Spoiler Alert!

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IAmBatman July 13th, 2019 04:34 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
3 Life and 4 Defense is feeling about right for the cars. They have great utility, so I like figures feeling a tad vulnerable in them, rather than like they're in tanks. Had a lot of fun with the rules in the last test, so I feel like we're closing in!

I hope we get at least one more public tester who feels the same!

Since it's going so well, I may end up doing only one more test here instead of two. We'll see!

Tornado July 13th, 2019 09:05 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Sounds great. I may try another myself so I think one more is fine for now.

IAmBatman July 13th, 2019 09:08 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Cool. I’m going to try to knock that out tonight. May just go forward as planned though, as I’m not sure how likely we are to get many other testers here than you and I.

MrNobody July 13th, 2019 09:09 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
I’m planning to test them.

IAmBatman July 13th, 2019 09:23 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrNobody (Post 2296408)
Iím planning to test them.

Sweetness. The road to Batmobile is looking good!

Tornado July 13th, 2019 09:50 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Maybe the Lawmaster as well. :)

IAmBatman July 13th, 2019 09:51 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
Sweet. The Lawnmaster at last ....

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Tornado July 13th, 2019 09:56 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting
 
I fought the lawn and the lawn won.


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