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infectedsloth April 17th, 2021 08:45 PM

ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 9th
 
ScapeCon (July 29th to August 1st) is just around the corner. What better reason is there for a map contest!

The twist for this contest is all maps have to use split starting zones. Maps with split start zones require tough decisions from the word go and frequently have interesting aesthetics. They have a long history in scape, and many iconic maps make use of them. Despite this, split start zone maps are severely underrepresented. The ScapeCon organizers are calling on the community to help rectify this deficiency.

Map building parameters:
  • All maps must use split starting zones
  • Map submissions can have no more than 1 Master Set and 2 Expansions OR 2 Master Sets and 1 Expansion
  • 24 Hex starting zone
  • Uncapped pillars are allowed
  • Maps must be able to accommodate the Marro Hive
  • The Marvel set is not allowed, since the Gencon terrain doesn't include any sets
Split start zones examples:
Spoiler Alert!


SUBMISSIONS:
Submissions should include a display image (ideally a 3D VirtualScape rendering) and build instructions
A maximum of 2 entries per person.

DEADLINE:
Submissions will be accepted starting now, and ending Sunday, May 9th. To submit a map, just post it in this thread by the end of the 9th.

If you submit your map early and end up tweaking/revising it later, don't worry. Just post the revised version in the thread, and I'll happily update things. I'd much rather have people submitting early, knowing they can revise if they like than have people hold off until the last minute.

Deadline May 9th at 11:59 central

VOTING:
Voting will be done by the community. Submissions will randomly be placed into one of several heats. The maps that receive the most votes will advance to the final round of voting.

PRIZES:
It wouldnít be a contest without prizes.
  • 1st: $30 to Amazon
If we get over 20 submissions
  • 1st: $30 to Amazon
  • 2nd: $15 to Amazon
If we get over 40 submissions:
  • 1st: $35 to Amazon
  • 2nd: $20 to Amazon
  • 3rd: $10 to Amazon

Clarification: The winning map isn't guaranteed to be selected to ScapeCon's map pool. The winning map will be playtest by event organizers to determine its viability.

Good luck everyone. Iím looking forward to seeing everyone's creations!


Tags:
Spoiler Alert!

Maps:


Styx and Stones
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...38/unknown.png

The Jabberwock
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...46/unknown.png

Mine's Rift
https://i.postimg.cc/5NB0f0t5/Mire-s-Rift.png

Steer into the Skid
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...71/unknown.png

Mausoleum Ruin
https://uce55655dc579608f441e9c3a154...ue&size_mode=5


https://www.heroscapers.com/downloads/ruinpng_z1F.png

Off the Beaten Path
https://www.heroscapers.com/download...20path_tMp.png

Gambit
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...rtVUTot1jAudek

Cedrus Drift
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...9ymY0gZdhd7MRV


https://www.heroscapers.com/downloads/sauna_3hI.jpg


Sauna
https://www.heroscapers.com/downloads/sauna_2Fs.jpg

Honor
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/50...025w9wtm6g.jpg

Desolation
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/57...y7qwhcu66g.jpg

Foothold
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...926&height=493

Frosty Lake
https://www.heroscapers.com/download...oad1.0_nca.png

Fantasy
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0e...8e7o65kj6g.jpg

Peace Unknown
https://www.heroscapers.com/download...unkown_a4S.jpg

Chronicles
https://i.postimg.cc/3NnSnV8B/Chronicles.png


Forest Fire

https://i.imgur.com/H3fq1Gs.jpg

Flash_19 April 17th, 2021 10:37 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Hey this is way cool! Thanks for doing this! Were you going to limit it to maps that have previously not been posted? To be more specific, I have a map or two in development that I haven't posted that are split start zone - would those be fair game to submit?

superfrog April 18th, 2021 12:19 AM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Are we allowed to use a master set as an expansion?

Something like Swarm/Dungeon/Road or Dungeon/Dungeon/Lava?

Also, uncapped pillars, yes or no?

TREX April 18th, 2021 12:21 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by superfrog (Post 2459877)
Are we allowed to use a master set as an expansion?

Something like Swarm/Dungeon/Road or Dungeon/Dungeon/Lava?

Also, uncapped pillars, yes or no?

Uncapped pillars is a great way to make bigger ruins. ARV has allowed them in our contests.

OEAO April 18th, 2021 01:00 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
This is Nathan's project, but yes, uncapped pillars are allowed. It's his call on the other things.

Personally, I'd like to see 2 MS + 1 Exp maps allowed, because those are honestly easier to build with the GenCon terrain pool than 1 MS + 2 Exp maps. We have so many RotVs and SotMs. My advice would to just be conscious about size, and know that you don't have to use all the terrain (nor do you have to use 3 sets).

infectedsloth April 18th, 2021 11:10 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by superfrog (Post 2459877)
Are we allowed to use a master set as an expansion?

Something like Swarm/Dungeon/Road or Dungeon/Dungeon/Lava?

Also, uncapped pillars, yes or no?

I've updated the OP. Uncapped pillars are allowed, as are two master set+1 expansion maps.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash_19 (Post 2459873)
Hey this is way cool! Thanks for doing this! Were you going to limit it to maps that have previously not been posted? To be more specific, I have a map or two in development that I haven't posted that are split start zone - would those be fair game to submit?

As long as they haven't been posted, then your good to submit them.

Dysole April 19th, 2021 02:25 AM

Just Gonna Say
 
I don't think you want me designing maps since I said I'd probably do something like put a bunch of Proftkas scattered across the high ground. ~_^

Still appreciate the tag.

~Dysole, admitting that map assessment and building is one of her weak points in this game

Yodaking April 19th, 2021 12:24 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Thanks for the tag. Explain why the Capuan Arana map wouldn't be acceptable due to double blind army rules.

OEAO April 19th, 2021 12:59 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yodaking (Post 2460017)
Thanks for the tag. Explain why the Capuan Arana map wouldn't be acceptable due to double blind army rules.

Itís technically acceptable, but my understanding (as someone who admittedly hasnít played it) is that itís a Turret Rocks/Hot Heights scenario where it just isnít that good for traditional tournament games.

boromir96 April 19th, 2021 01:02 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OEAO (Post 2460023)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yodaking (Post 2460017)
Thanks for the tag. Explain why the Capuan Arana map wouldn't be acceptable due to double blind army rules.

Itís technically acceptable, but my understanding (as someone who admittedly hasnít played it) is that itís a Turret Rocks/Hot Heights scenario where it just isnít that good for traditional tournament games.

Also cannot accommodate the hive.

vegietarian18 April 19th, 2021 08:03 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OEAO (Post 2460023)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yodaking (Post 2460017)
Thanks for the tag. Explain why the Capuan Arana map wouldn't be acceptable due to double blind army rules.

It’s technically acceptable, but my understanding (as someone who admittedly hasn’t played it) is that it’s a Turret Rocks/Hot Heights scenario where it just isn’t that good for traditional tournament games.

It splits up armies too much, and that warps matchups and leads to highly initiative-dependent early games. Every startzone area is quickly reachable by another startzone area which doesn't leave you with much way to keep particular figures safe, so armies with lynchpin figures like Kurrok or Ulginesh are very vulnerable. For successful split startzone maps, it's important to have a space where certain figures can be safe.

Chris Perkins April 19th, 2021 09:26 PM

Re: ScapeCon Map Contest: Deadline May 8th
 
I certainly agree with what's previously been said regarding the rationale behind avoiding maps like Capuan Arana in a double-blind tournament setting, but I wanted to add one more thought about a generalization (in the way I think about it, at least) to the root issue:

If the map ends up making a significant number of figures move up or down the power rankings more than a half a grade, then it's not ideal for this type of format.

For example with Capuan Arena, Ulginesh & Kurrok would drop down in power rankings considerably (as Vegie mentioned), and flying figures would jump up considerably (i.e. Einar Imperium are actually decent, as they can jump from one SZ pod directly into the next, kill most of the figures, and avoid being engaged by any kind of mele); comparably, mele squads drop considerably and have almost no chance against good flying squads or ranged squads. If one A/A- army has almost no chance against another A/A- army on the given map, then that's an issue.

In general, I feel the best split-SZ maps enhance & decreases just a few key heroes (Cyprien & Kursus for example) but don't affect the overall power-rankings level of most of the 'whole' competitive armies (i.e. Knights v. 4th/10th).


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