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flameslayer93 May 12th, 2020 07:54 AM

[Pod 2] The Book of Nephda (Kiora the Rising Tide) - Editing
 
The Book of Nephda

Arena of the Valkyrie Master Set

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AQUILLA :aquilla:
NEPHDA
Nymph
Unique Hero
Protector
Inscrutable
MEDIUM 5

LIFE 5
MOVE 5
RANGE 4
ATTACK 2
DEFENSE 3

POINTS 80


CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Nephda that are no more than 2 levels above or below Nephda's base are considered water spaces. Nephda and friendly figures who move adjacent to Nephda do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space for the remainder of their turn.

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Nephda, you may roll the 20-sided die for each other friendly wounded hero within four clear sight spaces. If you roll a 15 or higher, remove a wound from that figure's Army Card. If that figure is on a water space, add 5 to your roll.

The figure used for this unit is Kiora, the Rising Tide from Arena of the Planeswalkers Battle for Zendikar.

Bio
Spoiler Alert!



Frequently Asked Questions:
Q: When Nephda's Carried By Waves and Re-Tak-Shi's Swamp Ooze affect the same land spaces, what do they become?
A: Swamp Ooze turns the spaces into Swamp Water.
Q: When Nephda's Carried By Waves affects a land space, can I place Shadow Tiles on that space with Mika Connour's Shadow Dance?
A: No, because Carried By Waves makes that space a non-land space.





Owlman May 12th, 2020 08:55 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Initial thoughts:

https://i.postimg.cc/HnQ6VyBY/Kiora.jpg

flameslayer93 May 12th, 2020 09:26 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
There is definitely room for some water interaction powers on kiora. I know folks were also having fun with the idea of her being Durnipia (sp?), aka the character who gave Valguard his Lizard Arm and presumably Einar's Healer in Chief.

I personally want a healer in this set, and either Kiora, Avacyn, or Nissa look like they could play the part. We certainly only need 1 healer in the set, and we don't have to create a unit who's only trick is the capacity to heal (Kelda is already a thing, and she FLIES). Kiora's mini could give us water powers + healing. Or something else altogether, I'm not too picky as long it makes sense for the unit and MS.

Owlman May 12th, 2020 10:41 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flameslayer93 (Post 2382060)
There is definitely room for some water interaction powers on kiora. I know folks were also having fun with the idea of her being Durnipia (sp?), aka the character who gave Valguard his Lizard Arm and presumably Einar's Healer in Chief.

I personally want a healer in this set, and either Kiora, Avacyn, or Nissa look like they could play the part. We certainly only need 1 healer in the set, and we don't have to create a unit who's only trick is the capacity to heal (Kelda is already a thing, and she FLIES). Kiora's mini could give us water powers + healing. Or something else altogether, I'm not too picky as long it makes sense for the unit and MS.

I'm down for a healer too, although I think Avacyn could fill that role nicely, since she is prob gonna be an elf type figure, and if anyone needs help healing its Elves, IMO since most elves have very low defense making it easy to one kill them. Any other thoughts? I'm still gonna brainstorm her today. (Also she looks more like an Aquilla folower vs an Einar follower, sculptwise. Any others agree/disagree?)

I must insist she has some type of water thing, placing water tiles is super cool! (Water teleporting is cool too, but tbh it kinda copies the water elemental which we already have now that I think of it...)

Owlman May 12th, 2020 10:48 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Or here's a thought, to run with you healing thing flameslayer:

Knock out the water teleporting thing, and instead put this in:

Healing Waters:

After moving and before attacking w/Kiora, you may choose an adjacent figure who does not follow Utgar or Valkrill. Roll the 20 sided die. On an 8 or higher, you may remove 1 wound marker from that figure's Army Card. (If that figure occupies water terrain, you may remove 2 wound markers instead.)

NecroBlade May 12th, 2020 08:11 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Avacyn is the angel statue, Nissa is the elf. Either of those could do some type of healing, but I'm behind the idea of making this Durnipia.

I like the idea of healing and/or water. Healing on a roll of X, or X-5 if she's on water, or something like that, would be a great throwback to Marro Warriors.

Captain Stupendous May 12th, 2020 09:19 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Way back in the brainstorming thread I had originally suggested having this character represent Durnipia, and I still think that would be a good design direction. You can read the official lore about Durnipia in Valguard's bio and the 10th Regiment of Foot's bio. Here's one possible draft for that direction that Astroking and I came up with:

Quote:

Durnipia
Einar
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

FIELDS OF THE FALLEN
Whenever a small or medium figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Durnipia is destroyed, you may place a vitality marker on this card, up to a maximum of 4.

A GIFT FROM THE GRAVE
Whenever an adjacent small or medium figure receives one or more wounds, you may remove one vitality marker from this card to ignore those wounds.
I could also see a design for this figure that leans more into the water elements. I think the ideas proposed already have promise, and will throw another ability out to consider:

Quote:

WATER HEALER
Einar
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
While Kiora is on a normal land space (is there a technical name for these?), that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. (I'm pretty sure c3v had a unit in public playtesting that did this with swamp water, so we could just use the wording from that).

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Kiora, roll the d20 for each friendly figure within four clear sight spaces on a water space. If you roll a ?13? or higher, remove a wound from that figure.

Astroking112 May 12th, 2020 09:59 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I quite like the idea of basing this sculpt off of Durnipia. Even if she doesn't explicitly reference the alien lizard arm transplant, it's a fun piece of lore that fits the reptilian appearance of the sculpt. Just my :2cents:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous
WATER HEALER
Einar
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
While Kiora is on a normal land space (is there a technical name for these?), that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. (I'm pretty sure c3v had a unit in public playtesting that did this with swamp water, so we could just use the wording from that).

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Kiora, roll the d20 for each friendly figure within four clear sight spaces on a water space. If you roll a ?13? or higher, remove a wound from that figure.

Mika Connour sets a precedent for referencing land spaces. We can look at cribbing the C3V wording when **-***-** releases (there are a couple of differences, but the unit should be releasing relatively soon, so I'll leave it at that until then).

If Kiora is converting adjacent spaces to water, then it's critical to add something to this effect to the power:
Quote:

...Kiora and any friendly figures adjacent to her do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.
Because the above draft does not have Slither, it would presumably have to stop its movement after every space. Extending that movement to figures adjacent to Kiora gives her a new niche for fording rivers and prevents her from clogging up her own starting zones.

flameslayer93 May 13th, 2020 07:01 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I'm on the fence about terraforming here. While fake placing water spaces is a neat gimmick, does it have a good role in the MS?

One upside is this would be my favored style of terraforming (since we don't have any extra plastic hexes in the box to give away). Another is that its already likely to be a thing when the Marro Slime comes out of C3V, so there will be precedent of it outside of the Greater Ice Elemental.

A downside is that we'll have to start cribbing in things like "Slither Aura" and such, and while that isn't directly a concern, the unit might start to feel a little more bloated especially to new players.

Now, keeping in line with simplifying how does everyone feel about this:

Quote:

Durnipia
Einar/Atlantean/???/???/Medium 5
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 2 Attack 3 Defense

WATER BLESSING:
Durnipia, and figures you control that are adjacent to her, may move over water spaces without stopping.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Durnipia, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Durnipia may choose herself with Healing Waters.

We get to keep Slither Aura, and Healing Waters is fairly easy to use. Plus, anyone in the water has a much higher chance to get healed. We can naturally tweak the d20 roll or the heal amount as needed.

Owlman May 13th, 2020 08:42 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Eh.....If we are gonna do a healing ability, the description needs to be more along the lines of wording that's already in Scape, IMO.

I'm against the Vitality power as worded it feels overpowered IMO, since a recharge ability could make her super annoying in bigger battles. Although the ability to block a limited number of wounds makes sense to me, like this:

"Durnipia starts the game w/3 healing markers placed on her Army Card. When an adjacent figure you control would take a wound(s), you may remove any or all healing markers from Durnipia's Army Card, and ignore 1 wound for each marker removed."

Something like that. Also this chick really strikes me as an Aquilla person sculptwise, not an Einar person. Anyone else agree?

Quote:

Originally Posted by flameslayer93 (Post 2382437)


Now, keeping in line with simplifying how does everyone feel about this:

Quote:

Durnipia
Einar/Atlantean/???/???/Medium 5
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 2 Attack 3 Defense

WATER BLESSING:
Durnipia, and figures you control that are adjacent to her, may move over water spaces without stopping.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Durnipia, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Durnipia may choose herself with Healing Waters.

We get to keep Slither Aura, and Healing Waters is fairly easy to use. Plus, anyone in the water has a much higher chance to get healed. We can naturally tweak the d20 roll or the heal amount as needed.

I'm against Water Blessing, as we have something super similiar to that via the Ice Elemental, and the Healing as currently worded feels like she's a mini Sonlen.

In order for this Healing schtick to work, I think it would be cool if the figure being healed needs to be in water terrain, going back to my water tile placing idea.

What about this piggybacking sorta' off the vitality markers thing:

Durnipia
Aquilla
3-4 life
move 5/range 1/attack 2/def. 4
points: 60-80ish range?

Healing waters:

Durnipia starts the game w/3 healing markers placed on her Army Card. Once per Round, when an adjacent figure you control who occupies Water Terrain would take any wounds, you may remove 1 healing marker from Durnipia's Army Card, and that figure ignores any wounds.

Sea is at my command:

Durnipia starts the game w/ 2 water tiles placed on her Army Card. If Durnipia ends her turn on or adjacent to an empty space, you may place a water tile from her Army Card onto the space she currently occupies or the adjacent space if the water tile fits normally onto that space.

thoughts?

Confred May 13th, 2020 10:10 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Healing and water seem interesting

Owlman May 13th, 2020 11:12 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Durnipia
Aquilla
4-5 life
move 5/range 1/attack 2/def. 4
points: 60-80ish range?

Healing waters:

Durnipia starts the game w/3 healing markers placed on her Army Card. When Durnipia or an adjacent figure you control occupies Water Terrain would take any wounds, you may remove any or all healing markers from Durnipia's Army Card, and ignore 1 wound for each marker removed. (Up to a maximum of 3.)

Sea is at my command:

Durnipia starts the game w/ 2 water tiles placed on her Army Card. If Durnipia ends her turn on or adjacent to an empty space, you may place a water tile from her Army Card onto the space she currently occupies or the adjacent space if the water tile fits normally onto that space.

(My thinking here is to make her a cheap healing-one trick pony piece, instead of giving her the ability to be a primary healer, since kelda and Rhogar already fill that spot nicely.)

Zetsubo May 13th, 2020 02:23 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I'm not a huge fan of making her Einar and I don't think this is the best sculpt to make Durnipia, but that's not a choice I'm absolutely against. Healing waters is a great reference to Marro Warriors Water Clone. Carried by waves isn't too overly complex and let's us have a terrain changing ability.

Quote:

Kiora
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 3 Attack 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Kiora that are no more than 2 levels above or below Kiora's base are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Kiora, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Kiora may choose herself with Healing Waters.

Owlman May 13th, 2020 03:42 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsubo (Post 2382629)
I'm not a huge fan of making her Einar and I don't think this is the best sculpt to make Durnipia, but that's not a choice I'm absolutely against. Healing waters is a great reference to Marro Warriors Water Clone. Carried by waves isn't too overly complex and let's us have a terrain changing ability.

Quote:

Kiora
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 3 Attack 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Kiora that are no more than 2 levels above or below Kiora's base are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Kiora, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Kiora may choose herself with Healing Waters.

I'm not a fan of carried by waves power. Just one more thing to people to remember, especially if the goal of these figures is to introduce new people to the game. Actual terrain lets people know its there, IMO.

NecroBlade May 13th, 2020 09:30 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Can't do actual terrain if there isn't any in the set, though.

Healing Waters is great, but I'm not sure it matches up with grafting lizard arms onto people. I'd love to find a way to make it make sense, though, since both the water theme and tying into the lore with Durnipia are great ideas here.

flameslayer93 May 13th, 2020 11:35 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
If it helps, I can see grafting a lizard arm onto someone being a time-consuming process where as direct healing would be fairly quick.

Owlman May 14th, 2020 04:03 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Did some more brainstorming.

Since we already have several primary healer types in the game, I think the healing thing could be a split focus, with the primary focus being on a water themed power (or 2)

https://i.postimg.cc/RZSSY9nq/Durnipia.jpg

Durnipia
Aquilla
4 life
move 5/range 1/attack 2/def. 4
80-90ish pts?

Mental (Mystical?) Control over the oceans
(Or: vengeful ocean/waves/something, something)

Instead of attacking, If an opposing figure occupies water terrain within (6-8??) spaces of Durnipia, you may roll the 20 sided die. On a 1-9, nothing happens. On a 10-19, give that figure 1 wound. On a 20, destroy that figure. f you successfully wounded a figure in this way, you must roll 1 attack die. If a skull is rolled, give Durnipia 1 wound.


Healing waters:

After moving and before attacking, if Durnipia or an adjacent figure you control occupies water terrain, roll the 20 sided die: On a 1-8, nothing happens. On an 9-17, remove 1 wound marker from that Army Card. On a 18-20, remove 2 wound markers instead.

Captain Stupendous May 14th, 2020 06:21 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
If we do want her to be Durnipia, then I would be strongly opposed to her fighting under any general other than Einar. Within the classic lore, Durnipia is consistently associated with Einar, and for her to be with a different general would be a significant break in theme.

Another thing to consider if we go the Durnipia direction is that I would prefer if possible for her to have an ability that was able to "heal" (most likely represented by preventing damage) squad figures because of the way she is featured in the bio for the 10th Regiment of Foot. While I don't feel as strongly about this point, it would seem a little strange to me if Durnipia was unable to synergize with the 10th Regiment, despite being specifically shown doing that in their official bio.

All that being said, I'm not 100% devoted to having her be Durnipia either. While I think it would be a cool tie in, I would also be fine if we leaned more into the water-based elements of a potential design and just came up with an original name and backstory for her.

Owlman May 14th, 2020 07:55 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous (Post 2383138)
If we do want her to be Durnipia, then I would be strongly opposed to her fighting under any general other than Einar. Within the classic lore, Durnipia is consistently associated with Einar, and for her to be with a different general would be a significant break in theme.

Another thing to consider if we go the Durnipia direction is that I would prefer if possible for her to have an ability that was able to "heal" (most likely represented by preventing damage) squad figures because of the way she is featured in the bio for the 10th Regiment of Foot. While I don't feel as strongly about this point, it would seem a little strange to me if Durnipia was unable to synergize with the 10th Regiment, despite being specifically shown doing that in their official bio.

All that being said, I'm not 100% devoted to having her be Durnipia either. While I think it would be a cool tie in, I would also be fine if we leaned more into the water-based elements of a potential design and just came up with an original name and backstory for her.

Well, Master Woo fights for Aquilla technically, even though his monks are Ullar. I don't see how breaking theme would be too bad here. Her sculpt feels like an Aquilla type figure, and not Einar is the thing.

In her bio, we could write she had a break from Einar or something, lol!

So long as we stick with a water based design I'm cool, in all honesty tho. Not a big deal to me changing her name/bio

NecroBlade May 17th, 2020 05:33 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous (Post 2383138)
Another thing to consider if we go the Durnipia direction is that I would prefer if possible for her to have an ability that was able to "heal" (most likely represented by preventing damage) squad figures because of the way she is featured in the bio for the 10th Regiment of Foot. While I don't feel as strongly about this point, it would seem a little strange to me if Durnipia was unable to synergize with the 10th Regiment, despite being specifically shown doing that in their official bio.

Sounds like a Sacred Band Defy Death type power. Giving something like that to a wider variety of units, especially ranged ones, should be done carefully, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlman (Post 2383184)
Well, Master Woo fights for Aquilla technically, even though his monks are Ullar. I don't see how breaking theme would be too bad here. Her sculpt feels like an Aquilla type figure, and not Einar is the thing.

I don't think Master Woo existed in anyone's bio before he was a figure, though, is the point. If she's Durnipia, she should be Einar. If she's some other type of water thing, then Aquilla or whoever.

Pumpkin_King May 17th, 2020 06:46 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Water for sure has an association with Aquilla, but the 10th reg's lore overrides that for me. I agree, if she's Durnipia, she's Einar. We need more Einar rep in the box anyway.

Owlman May 18th, 2020 12:26 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpkin_King (Post 2384727)
Water for sure has an association with Aquilla, but the 10th reg's lore overrides that for me. I agree, if she's Durnipia, she's Einar. We need more Einar rep in the box anyway.

While I love Einar (he's my overall fave General) I strongly think she needs a water based design. That to me is a must, in some way. I'd rather have her allegiance be Aquilla (or even Ullar over Einar) but if the entire group is set on Einar I will yield to speed up the process here.

The coral elements on her sculpt scream "Water". (Plus since most folks want to go the statue route for the rhino's, I feel the same logic needs to be applied here regrading the sculpt, then.)

Is there general consensus for her to be Einar and also a water based figure? I don't recall Durnpia's species being specified, If I'm not mistaken, so seems we can take that liberty.

Pumpkin_King May 18th, 2020 03:18 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
To be clear, I'm saying what you are in your last paragraph. Einar but also a water based design.

capsocrates May 18th, 2020 06:11 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsubo (Post 2382629)
I'm not a huge fan of making her Einar and I don't think this is the best sculpt to make Durnipia, but that's not a choice I'm absolutely against. Healing waters is a great reference to Marro Warriors Water Clone. Carried by waves isn't too overly complex and let's us have a terrain changing ability.

Quote:

Kiora
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 3 Attack 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Kiora that are no more than 2 levels above or below Kiora's base are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Kiora, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Kiora may choose herself with Healing Waters.

This is a very cool direction. I would consider going for 2 wounds, like Ana Karithon did.


P.S. @Owlman , could you please just post your brainstorms as plaintext? Your cards don't show up great on my screen and it makes them harder to read (so sometimes when I see them I just skip them :oops:)

Captain Stupendous May 18th, 2020 08:12 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I'll just reiterate that I'm fine with either of the two directions currently being discussed, either:

A): An Einar character named Durnipia with a healing focus who may or may not also have some water-based abilities.

B): An Aquilla character NOT named Durnipia with a water focus who may or may not also have some healing abilities.

While I like Zetsubo's design, I think I still have a slight preference for the version I suggested earlier which is quite similar, albeit with some key differences:


Quote:

WATER HEALER
Aquilla (Or Einar if named Durnipia)
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
While Kiora is on a land space, that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Kiora, you may roll the d20 for each friendly figure within four clear sight spaces on a water space. If you roll a ?15? or higher, remove a wound from that figure's army card.
I like how this version of healing waters makes her more unique as a healer by allowing her to heal multiple heroes at once, but I'd also be on board with Zetsubo's version which has the potential to more consistently heal a single hero.

Owlman May 18th, 2020 11:20 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capsocrates (Post 2385374)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsubo (Post 2382629)
I'm not a huge fan of making her Einar and I don't think this is the best sculpt to make Durnipia, but that's not a choice I'm absolutely against. Healing waters is a great reference to Marro Warriors Water Clone. Carried by waves isn't too overly complex and let's us have a terrain changing ability.

Quote:

Kiora
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 3 Attack 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Kiora that are no more than 2 levels above or below Kiora's base are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Kiora, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Kiora may choose herself with Healing Waters.

This is a very cool direction. I would consider going for 2 wounds, like Ana Karithon did.


P.S. @Owlman , could you please just post your brainstorms as plaintext? Your cards don't show up great on my screen and it makes them harder to read (so sometimes when I see them I just skip them :oops:)

Lol sure thing! :)

flameslayer93 May 19th, 2020 08:37 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
OK, so we're basically at a point where we should decide on if this should be Durnipia or a someone else.

I'd like to get everyone's preference real quick. If it's going to be Durnipia, then Einar as the general is the most sensible choice, and if not, then Aquilla is the most sensible choice. If most folks want her to be Dunipia and follow Aquilla, that's fine too.

Capt Stupendous: Either Way
PK: I think Durpinia
flameslayer: Either Way, leaning someone else
Zetsubo: someone else
@Confred : ???
@Amarant : ???
@Owlman : Durnipia


I also think healing for 2 would be a good dial to tune if she just isn't worth the OM but I wouldn't complain if she was ultimately a sub-100 points hero since we certainly need some of those.

Owlman May 19th, 2020 10:21 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I'm strongly in favor of a sub 100 pt figure who can heal here and there for 1-2 wounds tops, and who can also be a tie up/annoyance around water terrain for enemy units.

I'm down for her to be Durnipia.

Pumpkin_King May 20th, 2020 04:00 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
That's a great draft - and yes, I'm totally good with that being Durnipia. Great way to tie it into the lore.

Confred May 22nd, 2020 11:12 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
https://www.heroscapers.com/communit...ing_363197.png

I haven't been able to get on these as rapidly as I had hoped. Here's a figure cutout of her to mark my place for reminders.

She looks best in Ullar frame I think and snazzy in Jandar, but a little late to campaign for generals. I could see merfolk in Aquilla.

Confred May 22nd, 2020 11:29 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capsocrates (Post 2385374)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsubo (Post 2382629)
I'm not a huge fan of making her Einar and I don't think this is the best sculpt to make Durnipia, but that's not a choice I'm absolutely against. Healing waters is a great reference to Marro Warriors Water Clone. Carried by waves isn't too overly complex and let's us have a terrain changing ability.

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Kiora
5 Life 5 Move 1 Range 3 Attack 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
All land spaces within 1 space of Kiora that are no more than 2 levels above or below Kiora's base are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS:
After moving and before attacking with Kiora, you may choose a wounded Hero you control within 4 clear sight spaces and roll the 20 sided die. On a 15 or higher, remove a wound from the chosen Hero. If the chosen Hero is on a water space, add 5 to your roll. Kiora may choose herself with Healing Waters.

This is a very cool direction. I would consider going for 2 wounds, like Ana Karithon did.


P.S. @Owlman , could you please just post your brainstorms as plaintext? Your cards don't show up great on my screen and it makes them harder to read (so sometimes when I see them I just skip them :oops:)

My initial thoughts were
Melted Greater Ice Elemental with targeted heal on water

or Melted Greater Ice Elemental with roll heal, enhanced if on water.

So I'm glad others are converging on this design.

In defense of the water aura is the sploosh at the bottom of her base.

Confred May 22nd, 2020 11:31 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlman (Post 2385657)
I'm strongly in favor of a sub 100 pt figure who can heal here and there for 1-2 wounds tops, and who can also be a tie up/annoyance around water terrain for enemy units.

I'm down for her to be Durnipia.

I'd like the the other guy, the merfolk from AotP to be that figure.

What's Durnipia?

Also, fun link:
https://cgsociety.org/c/featured/flqd/kiora

Heroscaper Guy May 23rd, 2020 01:15 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2387897)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlman (Post 2385657)
I'm strongly in favor of a sub 100 pt figure who can heal here and there for 1-2 wounds tops, and who can also be a tie up/annoyance around water terrain for enemy units.

I'm down for her to be Durnipia.

I'd like the the other guy, the merfolk from AotP to be that figure.

What's Durnipia?

Also, fun link:
https://cgsociety.org/c/featured/flqd/kiora

Mentioned in some bios, i know valguard is one.

Confred May 23rd, 2020 04:26 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
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Originally Posted by Heroscaper Guy (Post 2387931)
Mentioned in some bios, i know valguard is one.

She doesn't look at all like Valguard's species.

I'd rather her be Dragonborn before that.

flameslayer93 May 23rd, 2020 05:38 AM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2387973)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heroscaper Guy (Post 2387931)
Mentioned in some bios, i know valguard is one.

She doesn't look at all like Valguard's species.

I'd rather her be Dragonborn before that.

Durnipia is theoretically Einar’s healer, and she attached an alien arm to Valguard. Durnipia’s species was never clarified.

Valguard on the other hand, is 90% human 10% alien.

Owlman May 23rd, 2020 12:00 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
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Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2387890)
https://www.heroscapers.com/communit...ing_363197.png

I haven't been able to get on these as rapidly as I had hoped. Here's a figure cutout of her to mark my place for reminders.

She looks best in Ullar frame I think and snazzy in Jandar, but a little late to campaign for generals. I could see merfolk in Aquilla.

While she does look alot like Aquilla, after looking t her bronze colored armor, she could be Durnipia/Einar after all. Einar tends to have orange/bronze colored themes.

Confred May 24th, 2020 04:42 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlman (Post 2388078)
While she does look alot like Aquilla, after looking t her bronze colored armor, she could be Durnipia/Einar after all. Einar tends to have orange/bronze colored themes.

What is Durnipia?

Captain Stupendous May 24th, 2020 06:04 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confred (Post 2388591)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlman (Post 2388078)
While she does look alot like Aquilla, after looking t her bronze colored armor, she could be Durnipia/Einar after all. Einar tends to have orange/bronze colored themes.

What is Durnipia?

Durnipia is the name of a character referenced in the official bios for Valguard and the 10th Regiment of Foot. She is a healer associated with Einar. Other than that, little else is known about her officially.

Pumpkin_King May 24th, 2020 10:45 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
We just thought, in previous brainstorming, that we wanted a healer for the box and it would be nice to tie it in with previous lore.

Alexandros May 29th, 2020 03:29 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I apologize for the slow response. I did not get an email notification when I was mentioned, but I usually do.

I'm in favor of tying her into the lore as a healer.

Astroking112 June 1st, 2020 01:55 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
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Originally Posted by Astroking112 (Post 2382282)
Mika Connour sets a precedent for referencing land spaces. We can look at cribbing the C3V wording when **-***-** releases (there are a couple of differences, but the unit should be releasing relatively soon, so I'll leave it at that until then).

Following up on this, Re-Tak-Shi was recently released with the following power:
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SWAMP OOZE
All land or water spaces within 1 space of Re-Tak-Shi that are no more than 5 levels above or below Re-Tak-Shi's base are considered swamp water spaces.
If the pod is still interested in some kind of terrain-changing ability, then something along the lines of this wording would be a good precedent to follow. It is worth noting that swamp water is also counted as water for all abilities, so Re-Tak-Shi already "helps" the Water Elementals and other units that rely on water tiles.

Pumpkin_King June 9th, 2020 08:46 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Bumping. What are we feeling here?

Confred June 11th, 2020 09:10 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Astroking112 (Post 2392279)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Astroking112 (Post 2382282)
Mika Connour sets a precedent for referencing land spaces. We can look at cribbing the C3V wording when **-***-** releases (there are a couple of differences, but the unit should be releasing relatively soon, so I'll leave it at that until then).

Following up on this, Re-Tak-Shi was recently released with the following power:
Quote:

SWAMP OOZE
All land or water spaces within 1 space of Re-Tak-Shi that are no more than 5 levels above or below Re-Tak-Shi's base are considered swamp water spaces.
If the pod is still interested in some kind of terrain-changing ability, then something along the lines of this wording would be a good precedent to follow. It is worth noting that swamp water is also counted as water for all abilities, so Re-Tak-Shi already "helps" the Water Elementals and other units that rely on water tiles.

I think the Merfolk Hero could be the terrain changer. and Kiora doesn't need to be one

Confred June 11th, 2020 09:23 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
She looks good in Jandar.

What if the waves at her feet was actually ice?

https://www.heroscapers.com/communit...ing_854806.png

Captain Stupendous June 11th, 2020 10:15 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
I'd be a little hesitant to add a snow or ice terrain based power when there's not any in the set, and the fact that it is currently very difficult for new players to obtain snow or ice makes the problem worse.

Healing Prayer is an interesting take on a healing ability, although I'm not sure I like it more than the previous direction based around treating adjacent spaces as water, complimented by a healing ability that was more effective when targeting figures in water.

Confred June 13th, 2020 01:48 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous (Post 2397107)
I'd be a little hesitant to add a snow or ice terrain based power when there's not any in the set, and the fact that it is currently very difficult for new players to obtain snow or ice makes the problem worse.

Healing Prayer is an interesting take on a healing ability, although I'm not sure I like it more than the previous direction based around treating adjacent spaces as water, complimented by a healing ability that was more effective when targeting figures in water.

I agree with all said here.

Pumpkin_King June 17th, 2020 03:51 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous (Post 2385419)

Quote:

WATER HEALER
Aquilla (Or Einar if named Durnipia)
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
While Kiora is on a land space, that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures who start or end their move adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Kiora, you may roll the d20 for each friendly figure within four clear sight spaces on a water space. If you roll a ?15? or higher, remove a wound from that figure's army card.
I like how this version of healing waters makes her more unique as a healer by allowing her to heal multiple heroes at once, but I'd also be on board with Zetsubo's version which has the potential to more consistently heal a single hero.

I really liked Cap S's draft here. How do we feel about this as a starting point? I added a phrase to the first power, bolded.

Captain Stupendous June 17th, 2020 06:38 PM

Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpkin_King (Post 2398956)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous (Post 2385419)

Quote:

WATER HEALER
Aquilla (Or Einar if named Durnipia)
5 Life / 5 Move / 1 Range / 3 Attack / 3 Defense

CARRIED BY WAVES
While Kiora is on a land space, that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures who start or end their move adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.

HEALING WATERS
After taking a turn with Kiora, you may roll the d20 for each friendly figure within four clear sight spaces on a water space. If you roll a ?15? or higher, remove a wound from that figure's army card.
I like how this version of healing waters makes her more unique as a healer by allowing her to heal multiple heroes at once, but I'd also be on board with Zetsubo's version which has the potential to more consistently heal a single hero.

I really liked Cap S's draft here. How do we feel about this as a starting point? I added a phrase to the first power, bolded.

I think this works as a good starting point, and I really like your added phrase for the most part. Personally, I would prefer the wording "Kiora and friendly figures who start their turn adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space." I think that only applying this ability to figures who start their turn adjacent to Kiora is just slightly more intuitive than applying it also to figures who end their turn adjacent. Also, making a movement power conditional on where a figure ends their movement seems like it might run into the same problems that plague charging assault? Namely, what happens when a figure moves through water in an attempt to end their move adjacent to Nahiri, but ends up dying from a leaving engagement or falling damage along the way? All that being said, I still think your version is clear enough and would be happy to move forward with it if others preferred it as well :)

How are we all feeling about 15 as the target number for the healing ability? When I first proposed the power I hadn't put too much thought into the specific number, and basically just chose something I didn't think would be too broken.

I also think an argument could be made for giving her a range of 5-7 with her normal attack if we wanted to. Not saying that's necessarily a better direction, just a possibility to consider.


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