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dok December 16th, 2019 01:21 PM

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
 
Great reviews, fellas.

superfrog December 18th, 2019 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dok (Post 2338985)
Great reviews, fellas.

Totally agreed. I think the SoV is doing great work these days (and I haven't posted a review in 2 months so I'm not just patting myself on the back here).

superfrog December 18th, 2019 07:14 PM

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Iíd like to nominate my Shadowcreep Thrall for SoV consideration:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...hadowcreep.png

The design is pretty simple: itís got a special attack that goes 4/3/2/1 and then either the defender is dead or the Thrall is dead.

Itís on the higher end of the power scale for Thralls, which I personally donít have a problem with. I kept 30 points because thatís what all the other Thralls are at.

One concern I had after coming up with the design was that this guy outclassed the Deathstrike Thrall, since 4/3/2/1 is better than 6 most of the time, especially since the 4/3/2/1 doesnít require instant death. To counter that somewhat, I limited it to work on only small or medium figures.

Availability is good, since this is a common figure that was released this month.

20+ at MM
41 at T&T
20+ at CSI
13 at suncitygames
4 at NobleKnight
34+ from a quick glance at eBay, including two sellers with 10+.

Thatís a total of 132++++, so probably around 150 without turning too many stones over. Chances are you could even find this at your FLGS.

Taeblewalker December 18th, 2019 11:21 PM

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I love it!

capsocrates December 19th, 2019 11:00 AM

Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
 
At first glance the stat line looks above average for a thrall. Add in the superior SA and it feels like it might outclass more than one other thrall.

robbdaman December 19th, 2019 12:30 PM

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I like the idea but it is faster than all current thralls which being small seems improper. That special attack definitely outclasses all of them as it isn't destroyed very easily.

Astroking112 December 19th, 2019 12:34 PM

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I'm not opposed to a slightly stronger Thrall, but I am concerned about the comparison to the Deathstrike Thrall here. One extra move and a better Special Attack make me suspicious that these guys will overshadow them quite a bit in practice, despite the small/medium restriction.

superfrog December 19th, 2019 01:10 PM

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Let's look at the existing Thrall stat lines:

Preyblood: 5/1/3/3, can get a +3 to move and attack against wounded heroes, death on failure to wound.
Deathstrike: 6/1/3/3, SA of 6 with auto-death.
Bloodburst: 5/1/3/4, can boost attack (death possible on destroying), can wound on death.
Darkprowl: 6/1/2/1, gets +4 to ranged defense, ranged special attack of 5, death on failure to destroy.

Shadowcreep: 7/1/3/3, SA of 4/3/2/1, death on failure to destroy.

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The 3/3 stats are familiar Thrall territory. Only the Darkprowl has worse stats, but its defense is easily boosted to 5 and it relies on its SA of 5 dice.

7 move is a bonus here, but the Preyblood can get up to 8 move and the Darkprowl has a threat range of 9, so again I don't think that breaks the case.

4/3/2/1 SA is good, but it can only be used on small/medium. That gives the Deathstrike and Darkprowl an automatic edge (not to mention the higher attack value). Preyblood can get 7 dice with height and only needs to do a wound to stay alive. Bloodburst is better against heroes since it is always safe when doing the first few wounds.

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All in all, I think Shadowcreeps are comparable. It comes down to the 4/3/2/1 attack and how powerful that is. I think it's a fun new dimension to Thrall armies.

quozl December 19th, 2019 01:27 PM

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How much testing have you done?

robbdaman December 19th, 2019 01:58 PM

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I think the question would be whether 30 points is a proper cost for the current design.

superfrog December 19th, 2019 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quozl (Post 2339440)
How much testing have you done?

Enough to show that 4/3/2/1 is not reliable at getting kills.

EDIT: To answer the question more specifically, I've tested this design three times. Given how it lines up with the other thralls, and that it was performing its role as intended, I was satisfied after only those tests.

I'll be interested to see any further discussion or votes.

capsocrates December 19th, 2019 11:53 PM

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I suspect a base attack of 2 would be more appropriate here but I'm willing to see how it holds up in testing.

:up: to review Shadowcreep Thrall


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