Re: Glass cannon
 

True to character however, will need to draft her with Raelin/etc.

Ignoring fragility, how do we like the points to power ratio?

Also, I took a lot of liberty with the wording on power 1. Do we like the functional shift?

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

This design is set to expire on Friday, June 18.

@Tornado is next to design lead
@Sir Yeshua is next after that

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

To me, it seems out of place that two of the powers direct the player while this one is directed at the figure. What about

CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either of both of the following:
• Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
• Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

And it saves some words. :thumbsup:

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Looks good.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Doesnt seem to crazy. The language seems direct, but I'm still learning scape legalism lol. I do appreciate the space that it saves.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

:duh:

Query
 

Why not "one or more of the following"?

~Dysole, trying to simplify

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

any or all of the following?

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

English preferences.

Both 'more' and 'all' imply more than two options; whereas 'both' clearly indicates there are exactly two. (See what I did there? :D )

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Didn't know if Whirlwind Assault set the precedent

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I've always been in favor of improving language whenever possible, but it is not a deal-breaker.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I think Nimue needs to mentioned somewhere in the beginning part of the power text

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When Nimue attacks an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
• Any or all adjacent figures are also affected by the attack. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
• Add 3 dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

"of the following" seems unneeded. Thoughts?

Looks good otherwise

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I think it does a pretty good job of clarifying.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Then I'm good. I'm heading out for a week. Would somebody write out what we currently have. Get some playtests . Perhaps even a vote, we do want to get those Points confirmed however.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Where we stand currently
https://www.mediafire.com/view/xbnvy...NIMUE.jpg/file

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Stats and powers look good, exciting balance. I look forward to play test reports and voting

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I was not able has to get it to post as a picture. Mediafire has changed their link system apparently so will have to figure it out once voting is complete and I put it in the display thread.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Can we lose the blank line under the first power name?

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Yes I will fix that. It sometimes happens when I export it from the card maker to a jpg

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Yes, on mock cards assume graphics will improve but stamp down wording errors. Before final card voting is space fixing, image rigging.

Expect to test tomorrow afternoon. I'll post Steam link before I do.

Draft deadline is this Friday.
Voting deadline is next Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

@SirGalahad do we want to name the sword? or leave it CURSED SWORD OF POWER?

Call Out to the Hidden isn't a special attack.

After testing, 120 Points feels right. She's a glass cannon but a cannon

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...?id=2459457110

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Agreed on the "not a SA". Saves us two lines. :)
Good with 120.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Design preference question: What do you suggest first power be named?

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I'm good with "CURSED SWORD OF POWER"

Sums it up nicely.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I'm good to vote, assuming card looks nice

:up:

Voting deadline is next Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Do I need to make a motion to vote?

Query
 

There's a link from Confred and one from JC Mcminis. Which one is our current version of the card?

~Dysole, trying to sort this out

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Upvote for the current draft.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I withdraw my thumb

Should we make range 2 instead of 1 that way if she's adjacent to tree she'll always be able to hit melee?

Other thought, should we allow adjacent to tree and her? That way even on treeless maps she has value

So Lost
 

Not following how that applies to the cards. Which version is current?

~Dysole, perfectly fine if she's less useful on maps without a lot of trees; that makes sense

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Current Version
CURSED SWORD OF POWER
When Nimue attacks an adjacent figure with a normal attack, you may choose either or both of the following:
• Any or all adjacent figures are also
affected by the attack. They each roll
defense dice separately.
• Add 3 attack dice to the attack.
After the attack, Nimue receives a wound for each option chosen.

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN
Instead of attacking, choose any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of Nimue. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 1 space of that object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

WATER TUNNEL
If Nimue ends her normal movement on a water space, you may immediately place her on an empty, same-level water space within 5 spaces. If Nimue is engaged when she starts her Water TunneI, she will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

::

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN (2 Spaces instead of 1)
Instead of attacking, choose any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of Nimue. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 2 spaces of that object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

CALL OUT TO THE HIDDEN (Also Nimue)
Instead of attacking, choose Nimue and any or all Evergreen Trees and Jungle Pieces within 4 spaces of her. For each, choose an opponent's figure within 1 space of that figure or object whose base is no more than 5 levels above or below that figure's or object's base. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die. On a roll of 14 or higher, inflict 2 wounds to the figure.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I feel like changing it to 2 range instead of 1 makes it really hard to play around on some maps.

Too Strong
 

Up to 2 spaces is SUPER good. I don't even follow a theme reason for Nimue to choose herself. I'm fine with her being less good on a treeless map.

~Dysole, noting this would hardly be the first figure that takes a hit when the map is not favorable

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I like the range 2 version without choosing her. I still worry that she has low Life; Valguard makes up for his need to disengage to get first strike on a different figure by having 7 Life and surviving LEA.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

2 range version came from the notion of her back up against a tree and not being able to use it

But with that said. my handful of games played fine with her as is.

Thoughts?

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

If you think she plays fine then I withdraw my objection to the low Life. Reluctantly.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Her low life adds tension to play that I feel is value. She's in that sweet spot of whiffs being "well damn" and still feeling like a power threat

I'm ok with power only having range 1 instead of 2

She might be able to go lower in Points, to 110. But I err on side of expensive.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Thoughts on range 1 v 2?

Points 120 v 110?

Voting deadline is this Friday.
Expiration deadline is next Friday.
@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

If range was playtested at 1 @ 120 and worked as expected, then I say keep that.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I vote to stay with range 1, points 120.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Agreed.

Fixing What Ain't Broke
 

I concur with the others.

~Dysole, succinctly

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

That appears to be all the major loose ends, is left panel good to everybody? Class/Personality - etc

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

It's all good.

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

Looks good here!

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 

I say we vote. Three thumbs up passes (two more beyond mine)

:up:

Voting deadline is this Friday.
Expiration deadline is Friday after that.

@SirGalahad is current Design Lead.
@Tornado is next lead.
@Sir Yeshua is lead after that.