Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Are those really only 7 tall? They look huge.
Ponderous is a cool power. These guys look more like Unique Heroes to me ... but maybe that's just what I'm used to from Heroscape figures that size. Nothing says you can't expand or alter the aesthetic. |
Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
I really like Ponderous - a thematic, novel, simple power like robbdaman's Fetid - but I'm going to have to give this one some thought.
They look *really* big for squad figures... *sigh* I'll have to think about this one. |
Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
1Mmirg, it's very good to have people in this project who are inclined to say no. There's no question that these guys stretch some boundaries - certainly when compared to the other two customs I have up for review. I wouldn't take it personally if this one falls short because of your vote.
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There isn't really anything to directly compare these guys to, because as I said, we don't have any ranged commons with 5 defense. However, they cost twice as much as stingers, and I don't think they are really worth twice as much in isolation*. They also really need repulsors to take advantage of their powers, and repulsors are another figure that really struggles to earn its points* (unless facing an all-soulborg opponent). * comments about relative worth of figures assume 1v1 double-blind prebuilt armies playing on BoV-style maps. I think this is a reasonable way to approach the pricing of most figures, provided we acknowledge that this is far from the only way to play the game. Quote:
Of course, a power with Lob that required normal line of sight would be no different than not having Lob at all, but I'm following the precedent of our only current lobbing attack. |
Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
I'd echo dok in that the Templar aren't really a good squad to compare anything to when you're talking about Point cost. They just aren't worth their points. Ever.
If you're trying to compare them to something, then I'd think along the lines of Protectors of Ullar or something (the only other expensive ranged common I can think of other than Snipers). |
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As I said, they are very similar to Torin in size/bulk. Feral Trolls are also about the same size. Dumutefs are a bit lankier but also comparable. The OP is smaller; the Frost Giant is bigger. Quote:
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Dok, does that mini have moveable joints? Is that what's going on there with the different poses of the same sculpt?
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I have one and I have enjoyed experimenting with different menacing poses. :) |
Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Harrummmm. Errr, I'm not sure how I feel about that. Off the top of my head I think a TD would have to House Rule that a fig with moveable parts couldn't be manipulated once dice start rolling. That would solve a potential problem before it became one.
Anyway. Dok, I think I mentioned to you in your own thread that "instead" appears to be two words instead of one, and that still apears to be the case. My eyes could be deceiving me, I'm not 100% sure having studied it as closely as I can. I procrastinate voting yet again... |
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It was a bad comparison choice on my part, either way. They seem underpriced, but I'm more concerned with the other issues and with what could be tough availability. I'd really like these guys a lot more as a Unique Squad (then their price would be a lot stronger, btw) or as some kind of Hero. The sculpt does move, though this is as close to "same sculpt" as I'd ever want to go--and still makes me uncomfortable as well. Anyhow, I'm going to vote NO to review. Sorry, dok. (Just two candidates for you, right now, on your Mmirg-allowance, dok :D.) This is a great unit, but there is just enough going on with this unit, as it stands, that makes me feel like it isn't the right fit for Scape as I understand it. (I may be missing a gem here, but that's my vote, fwiw.) |
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EDIT, downloaded and checked the D&D book (don't have a copy myself) and this IS in fact how they define it. Lob is the MAXIMUM height an attack can reach, regardless of LoS. If a figure has lob 12, it cannot attack a figure who's base is +12 levels higher. |
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Check my previous edit, I confirmed this in the MS3 rulebook which I JUST downloaded.
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