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The Fall of Heroscapers

Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 05:21 PM by Swamper
Heroscapers has become a shell of the great community it used to be. I don't spend much time here anymore, and when I do come I just poke around for five or ten minutes. Even with the short amount of time I'm here, I can see the slow decay of the site.

I first noticed it in the CoN section near the beginning of the year. As far back as I could remember, there had always been two games of CoN. Then came the day when there were only enough players for one. Not only that, but the people I had played with had all, for the most part, moved on. As if that wasn't bad enough, the new blood that was coming in didn't appeal to me. Sure, there are always the real hardcore CoNers that will be around until the end of time, but I found myself not wanting to play near as much as I had before because of the new guys.

I next noticed the decay of the site just reading over the new threads section. Posts were no longer thought out. Grammar seemed to be thrown to the wind. One line posts were prevalent. For me, the absolute worst part of this was seeing newer members come in and try to play admin, correcting and tearing down the bad posts, all while making the exact same mistakes! I can't stand a person that makes a play for power that they don't deserve and can't handle. I see more and more of that around here, and it makes me sick.

I think the final nail in the coffin came when I visited the Strategy Articles section. I saw a thread, a BS strategy review of Krug. I read it, didn't think it was very funny, but it was a one off thing so no big deal. Next thing I know, there's three or four more, each getting progressively worse and more cringe-worthy. Is this really what the site has been reduced to?

I hardly post anymore except on my blog, and I expect that that too will slowly fade. I've had some good times here, but I think it's time to move on.
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'Scaper94's Avatar
"You can't stop change anymore than you can stop the suns from setting." -Shmi Skywalker
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 06:33 PM by 'Scaper94 'Scaper94 is offline
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The CEE's Avatar
I disagree. Sorry the current state of the site disappoints you, Swamper.
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 07:02 PM by The CEE The CEE is offline
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awesomeunleashed's Avatar
What The CEE said. I have noticed some change, but the change in the areas of the site that interest me have (IMO) mostly been for the better.

From the very little I've seen, CoN does seem to be in some decline. I'll give you that.
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 07:28 PM by awesomeunleashed awesomeunleashed is offline
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flameslayer93's Avatar
I've taken to the idea that the only way to get things going again is to take a little extra initiative and write a few articles yourself. Here's hoping I'll actually get around to writing that Groks article!
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 07:35 PM by flameslayer93 flameslayer93 is offline
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Arch-vile's Avatar
I disagree as well, except for CoN. CoN has declined, it's as simple as that. The official forums have declined as well I suppose.

However, I think the customs communities have advanced this game to a whole new level. C3G, C3V, HoSS, Project Pokemon, etc. Heroes of Middle-Earth was launched with huge fan following. HoSS is expanding its cards to include classic generals. C3V has a whole lot of fun stuff in the Sanctum.

I think you may be exaggerating with the BS strategy reviews, btw. I only have seen 2 (Well, there are 3 now) (I find them humorous, though I don't know if they're in the right forum). Maybe I don't notice the new players playing admin, but I generally hang exclusively in the customs forums. I'm sorry the site is disappointing you, Swamper, that's a bummer.
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 08:47 PM by Arch-vile Arch-vile is offline
Updated October 2nd, 2012 at 08:52 PM by Arch-vile
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flameslayer93's Avatar
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C3V has a whole lot of fun stuff in the Sanctum.
This is a forum for discussion. Sadly, the only folks allowed to see the discussion are the C3V/SoV guys. Not the best arguement to date Arch
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 PM by flameslayer93 flameslayer93 is offline
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boromir96's Avatar
I think this Site's still doing great. It's not going to Fail on my watch....
Posted October 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 PM by boromir96 boromir96 is offline
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Lord Pyre's Avatar
It's not that the site is failing, it's that we're in a new "era" of Heroscape, the fan era. It's all about the customs groups now since there's no more official stuff to work on. So if you're not a fan of customs, then it's no wonder you'd feel like the site is failing.

As for the CoNs, that's pretty much inevitable no matter what. Once you've played a billion games of it, it gets old. Heck, I used to have a perfect record on there, but after a couple of games where I really just didn't care, I decided to quit playing to not let everybody down.

An idea that might work is to try to get a new game to play. Werewolf is awesome and all, but if people aren't as interested anymore, maybe try brainstorming new ideas?
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 10:28 AM by Lord Pyre Lord Pyre is offline
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Joseph Sweeney's Avatar
I have only been a member of the site for a few months, but I have been following it since July of 2007, yes, that's a long time in Heroscape standards. I have seen scapers come and go, some return, others don't.

There is a sad feeling when it comes to change, yet, there is also a hope that the future will be a brighter place, or that the present will be somewhat the same as the past. I find it sad when so many people I met at tourneys have moved on, it's just sad.

But, new people arise to take their place, good friendly, scapers, who love the game for the same reason.

It will be a sad day when you leave, the site won't be the same without you. I hope your talk of leaving are only empty words.
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 AM by Joseph Sweeney Joseph Sweeney is offline
Updated October 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 AM by Joseph Sweeney
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kolakoski's Avatar

After the Fall


Well met!

Lord Pyre has the right of it. The ebb and flow of activity on this site was centered around the discussion/release/play of new units. Now we are in the era of "fanscape" (chas' term for it). It is up to us how things go from here (see As One Door Closes . . .).

In spite of its flaws (see Embrace the Suck), Heroscape remains one of the best game systems ever created, with its modular terrain and elegantly simple, yet deep, game-play. There is great joy available in every aspect of the game - from map-building/scenario writing to army-building to actually playing (hard core competitive/tournament and "casual" - see There's Nothing "Casual" About It) - and discussing it all. Perhaps I am in the minority here, but the surface has hardly been scratched in terms of scenario/map-making and army building, and the new units coming out of C3V/SoV enrich the landscape even more as we speak (see Goin' In Whole Hog).

If you're looking for excitement, re-read and/or revive this thread or this one.

[
I'm not sure what you mean by "CoN," but, at least around here, there are still plenty of tournaments (even if I can't attend them ), and the Gang of Four continues to play monthly.]
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 PM by kolakoski kolakoski is offline
Updated October 3rd, 2012 at 01:32 PM by kolakoski
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ZBeeblebrox's Avatar
I think the satirical articles need to be in Fiction, because when I go to the strategy section...I'm looking for strategy...not nonsense.

I agree Swamper that some areas are declining...but other areas are geting more looks like the custom sections. It is inevitable that the game will get stale to some, especially those who do not embrace the era of Fan-scape...because sooner or later the metagame gets old...so many have moved on and the new members are less interested in following proper procedures.
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 04:15 PM by ZBeeblebrox ZBeeblebrox is offline
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Sylvano the Wasabus's Avatar
Sadly, things change. But the site remains an incredible library of articles and ideas for this game and other things too.
Yes, you have to pick and choose what you read, but that's a luxury, don't you think?
Amazing game - amazing site- amazing people.
Changing, yes. But that's exciting too- it's expanding, exploring, creating.
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 09:56 PM by Sylvano the Wasabus Sylvano the Wasabus is offline
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kolakoski's Avatar

He said it . . .


Well met!

. . . so much better than I ever could.

"Sadly, things change. But the site remains an incredible library of articles and ideas for this game and other things too.
Yes, you have to pick and choose what you read, but that's a luxury, don't you think?
Amazing game - amazing site- amazing people.
Changing, yes. But that's exciting too- it's expanding, exploring, creating."

Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 PM by kolakoski kolakoski is offline
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Mossman's Avatar
I think it depends on what you come/came to the site for. While there are many things I enjoy, it's mostly been about customs and custom terrain for me, plus the blogs and "Week at..." columns. So, for me, things don't feel much different.
Posted October 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 PM by Mossman Mossman is offline
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davidlhsl's Avatar
I felt the low point of the website was the period during the transition of Wizards of the Coast where there was constant threats of boycotts, petitions, and never-ending debates over whether the game was already dead long before the actual announcement was even made.

While I know some sections have dwindled, I'm still seeing great activity in the customs community (which all could use participation with playtesting and other functions), imaginative maps, and custom terrain.
Posted October 4th, 2012 at 09:38 AM by davidlhsl davidlhsl is offline
 
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