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December 7th, 2021, 10:05 PM
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Note of Inspiration - Hi everybody! So I read Fresh’s Strategy Discussion all the time and I love checking out what everyone thinks of the units and how they run them. Unfortunately I’m not much of a strategist and usually only play for fun when not testing. However, I have read a good amount of comic books, not currently as much as I used to, but I’ve been getting back into it this past year or so. That said I’ve been curious what runs have inspired the LDs when running these designs and what every C3G member’s favorite comics are.
Seeing how this is a mostly comics-based project, I thought this might be a neat idea and would be great for any new readers. I’ve found out about a lot of these characters through their designs and then started reading their stories. Some characters, I’m sure a lot of us are still pretty unfamiliar with and it’d be cool to get insight from everyone who helped design them. That said I’d figured I’d start with the big ones. :)

I think it would also be fun to discuss theme, some characters have a lot of designs and I’m curious to know people’s favorites. I know competitiveness will probably factor in, but try to base the choices here more off of how true to the character the designs are, how awesome they are to play, or just on your personal favorites.

C3G’s Comics Recommendations
Best Introduction
(Try to recommend things you might find in a bookstore or comic shop.)
- This’ll be tough, but you only get one vote, pick the story you would recommend to anyone just getting into the character or comics in general.
Iconic/Must Reads
- This time you get up to three votes. Of course some of us might want to list much more, so don’t hold back. After voting, feel free to list why you love the stories and make note of additional fun reads.

Thematic Favorites
Best Design of the Bunch
This will usually be a choice between multiple versions of a character, different members of a smaller team, or however fitting a way there is to break things down.
- Pick the one you like the most and tell us why! Think about what powers best capture a comic book feel, what take encapsules the core of a character, which iteration do you like best, what’s your personal favorite design?
Future Design Ideas
Is there a version of this character or a member of the team you still think we should see? Let us know and share where to read about them!
- Name a to-be-designed version or character that you’d be excited to see.

When all is said and done I’ll tally up the votes for each in a week's time and leave the best Intro and top votegetters for Iconic/Must Reads in the character/team's first post.

Quick Notes:
- Most big heroes will be grouped by SI and Universe/Earth (in parenthesis), since there are many versions of certain heroes (multiverse/Elseworlds will be covered in their own deal, like AoA or Spider-Verse). Try to recommend stuff focusing on whatever version is being discussed.
- Teams/groups/factions are often composed of lesser known characters so feel free to vote for any interpretation.

Index:
CHARACTERS
Aquaman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2516327&postcount=255) - Arthur Curry (Mainstream)
Batgirl/Oracle (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2505009&postcount=191) - Barbara Gordon (Mainstream)
Batman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2492604&postcount=2) - Bruce Wayne (Mainstream)
Beast Boy/Changeling (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2499937&postcount=147) - Gar Logan (Mainstream)
Black Panther (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2509352&postcount=228) - T'Challa (Earth-616)
Black Widow (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2516987&postcount=263) - Natalia Romanova (Earth-616)
Captain America (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2498345&postcount=136) - Steve Rogers (Earth-616)
Daredevil (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2493230&postcount=29) - Matt Murdock (Earth-616)
Doctor Doom (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2518624&postcount=277) - Victor von Doom (Earth-616)
Flash (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2507613&postcount=204) - Barry Allen (Mainstream)
Flash (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2507615&postcount=205) - Wally West (Mainstream)
Green Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2511124&postcount=236) - Hal Jordan (Mainstream)
Green Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2511125&postcount=237) - John Stewart (Mainstream)
Hawkeye (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2516989&postcount=264) - Clint Barton (Earth-616)
Hulk (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2495620&postcount=106) - Bruce Banner (Earth-616)
Invisible Woman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2506594&postcount=196) - Susan Richards (Earth-616)
Iron Man (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2500486&postcount=163) - Tony Stark (Earth-616)
Joker (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2523616&postcount=305) - ??? (Mainstream)
Lex Luthor (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2521619&postcount=287) - (Mainstream)
Martian Manhunter (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2517883&postcount=274) - J'onn J'onzz (Mainstream)
Nightwing (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2502078&postcount=175) - Dick Grayson (Mainstream)
Silver Surfer (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2503417&postcount=182) - Norrin Radd (Earth-616)
Spider-Man (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2494000&postcount=68) - Peter Parker (Earth-616)
Superman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2494820&postcount=87) - Kal-El (Mainstream)
The Thing (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2506595&postcount=197) - Ben Grimm (Earth-616)
Venom (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2522668&postcount=297) - Eddie Brock (Earth-616)
Wolverine (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2513663&postcount=245) - James Howlett (Earth-616)
Wonder Woman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2496845&postcount=119) - Diana Prince (Mainstream)

GROUPS
Age of Apocalypse (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2509089&postcount=218)
Alpha Flight (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2512585&postcount=243)
Amalgam Universe (Marvel/DC Crossovers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2493708&postcount=53)
Arkham Asylum (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2504316&postcount=184)
Blue Lantern Corps (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2517352&postcount=268)
Doom Patrol (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2499523&postcount=144)
Fantastic Four (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2506593&postcount=195)
GCPD (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2496381&postcount=113)
Inhumans (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2497655&postcount=130)
Justice Society of America (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2508596&postcount=210)
Legion of Super-Heroes (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2501556&postcount=167)
New Warriors (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2500295&postcount=156)
Power Pack (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2502812&postcount=179)
Rogues (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2534764&postcount=312)
Runaways (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2495077&postcount=98)
Suicide Squad (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2522086&postcount=292)
Symbiotes (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2523002&postcount=302)
Thunderbolts (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2520971&postcount=281)
Transformers (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2516881&postcount=259)
Watchmen (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2494366&postcount=81)
Wildstorm Universe (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2510153&postcount=232)

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December 7th, 2021, 10:07 PM
Bruce Wayne aka The Batman (Mainstream DC)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/4/4b/Batman_Vol_3_86_Textless.jpg

Battle of the Bats!
Batman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28596) (200)
Batman (Bat-Family) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59876) (270)
Batman (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52465) (250)
Batman (Justice League - II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58800) (190)
Batman (Occult) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59901) (230)
Batman (Outsiders) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58715) (220)
Batman (Utility Belt) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=39778) (250)
Bruce Wayne (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56542) (100)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Batman: The Long Halloween
AND
- Batman: Year One
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ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- Batman: Knightfall

~ Justice League/DCAU (TV series)

1 Vote
- Batman #147 (vol. 1)
- Batman: Dark Victory
- Batman: Legacy (& Batman: Contagion)
- Batman: No Mans Land
- Batman: The Court of Owls
- Batman: The Cult
- Batman: The Killing Joke
- Batman: The War of Jokes and Riddles
- Batman: Venom (Legends of the Dark Knight)
- Batman R.I.P.

~ Batman: Gotham By Gaslight
~ Batman: The Dark Knight Returns

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYBatman #147 {1962} - Year One {1987} - The Killing Joke {1988} - The Cult {1988} - Venom {1991} - Knightfall (The Broken Bat & Who Rules the Night) {1993} - Contagion {1996} - Legacy {1996} - The Long Halloween {1996-97} - No Mans Land {1999-00} - Dark Victory {1999-00} - Batman R.I.P. {2008} - The Court of Owls {2011-12} - The War of Jokes and Riddles {2017}

Batman #147 (Y5)
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Year One (Y1) - The Long Halloween (Y2-3) - Venom (Y3) - Dark Victory (Y4-5) - The Cult (Y11) - The Killing Joke (Y12, Y1 flashback) - Knightfall (The Broken Bat & Who Rules the Night) (Y14) - Contagion (Y15) - Legacy (Y15) - No Mans Land (Y16) - Batman R.I.P. (Y22)
Flashpoint/New 52
The Court of Owls (Y5)
Convergence/DC Rebirth
The War of Jokes and Riddles (Y2 flashback, Y16)

Y = years fighting crime

Note: You could just slot the other stuff in with the rest, DC's timeline is a mess anyway.

Ronin
December 7th, 2021, 10:12 PM
Who?

Ronin
December 7th, 2021, 10:14 PM
Cool idea for a thread!

I'm a big fan of Dark Victory.

Arch-vile
December 7th, 2021, 10:27 PM
Cool thread idea! C3G has widened my comic scope and I'd love to branch out further.

C3Gs Comics Recommendations
Best Introduction:
- Batman: Year One

Iconic/Must Reads:
- The Long Halloween
- Gotham By Gaslight
- Knightfall


Thematic Favorites
Best Design of the Bunch:
- Utility Belt is the coolest. Just a neat idea, thematically spot-on, and has opened up a ton of design space using those Utility Glyphs. But honestly, I use all the Bruce Batmen pretty often.

Future Design Ideas
- I'd love to see a Flashpoint (Thomas Wayne) Batman at some point.

Tornado
December 7th, 2021, 10:27 PM
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.QhihXVZBCNa2O5Y_1ndFywHaKz&pid=Api&P=0&w=400&h=584

Splash
December 8th, 2021, 12:59 AM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Year One, kind of a shoe-in.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- The Long Halloween
- The Killing Joke
- The War of Jokes and Riddles
This might be all I've read (part of why I started this thread lol), I need to tackle more. They were all great though in different ways.
edit: honorable mention to Batman/Aliens, my first Batman comic.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Utility Belt
I started with the OG low cost Batman for awhile, but the Utility glyph system has since completely and entirely won me over. 250 is a perfect price point as well, you can roll out with Batgirl and Robin or the Batmobile for 500. My go-to Batman.

Played JLII recently, that's a fun one, I like how he's cheap and Assess Weakness feels perfect and pairs well with Nerve Punch.

Future Design Ideas:
Old Man Bruce support figure from Batman Beyond would be pretty cool.
Yellow Lantern Batman

Soundwarp SG-1
December 8th, 2021, 01:09 AM
The first Court of Owls story was pretty good, especially for a new52 thing. That might be the only non-elseworld Batman story I've read that was made in the last like 30 years though (discounting random single issues hunting for weird Soundwarp characters).

IAmBatman
December 8th, 2021, 01:59 AM
Oooh, man, make me pick between my children!! (Wait, am I Martha then?)

Best Introduction:
I'm going to do a swerve here, partially because it was my own introduction, and partially just because I think there's something to be said about being launched right into a story arc that shows Batman in action, at his finest, running a gauntlet of most of his most iconic villains. So I'm going to switch it up, and for best introduction, go Knightfall

Iconic/Must Reads:
Now I'm not crazy, though. Once you've read Knightfall, absolutely circle back and read Year One. It's just the best origin there is for Batman. A lot of other really good ones have been named, so I'm going to shout out to some that are not quite as iconic, but that I feel deserve appreciation. Contagion and the follow-up Legacy have Batman dealing with a deadly virus pandemic and villainous machinations (pretty relatable in this day and age). No Man's Land is a bit of a mess at times, but if you can find it distilled in a collection, the core of the story is really good, and I love how it creates a universe where a Batman really makes sense.

Thematic Favorites
This one is really tough for me, especially since I was at least involved with all of these and LDed a few of them. My true favorite right now is probably an unreleased Batman that some of you say in playtesting not too long agao. :-)
I have to note that Batman ('66), a wonderful design, is missing from your list.
For released stuff, though, I really like how Batman (Outsiders) brings discipline and strategy to the unruly Outsiders, but if he falls early, they rally without him and in some ways get even more powerful.
As for future Batman designs I want to see? I like both the ones mentioned (Old Man Bruce and Thomas Wayne. My biggest bucket-lister would be a Bat-Man Mystery Man, though, possibly with guns.

Tornado
December 8th, 2021, 08:34 AM
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.IAUaK9A-CB_9-0gT9h5DkgHaO7&pid=Api&P=0&w=400&h=806

IAmBatman
December 8th, 2021, 08:52 AM
Hard to go wrong with Batman and dinosaurs.

I'm feeling bad now that I didn't mention my favorite Batman creators. Writers are probably Paul Dini, Devin Grayson, and Doug Moench. Artists are probably Norm Breyfogle, Neal Adams, and Kelley Jones.

FreshFoods
December 8th, 2021, 03:26 PM
Love this thread idea Splash! I'll preface my post by saying I don't read a lot of comics, most of my comic book character knowledge is through other media.

Best Introduction:
I'd probably say The Long Halloween. It's got plenty of Batman being a detective, which is my favorite aspect of him. Great art too.

Iconic/Must Reads:
I usually read short runs - The Cult is a great one. I think it gets pretty overlooked. The Dark Knight Returns and Batman R.I.P. are probably two more for me. Less iconic, more "people don't really talk about these runs and they're good".

Thematic Favorites
Ah geez. They're all solid. Gonna go Utility Belt. Lots of options with him.

Future ideas - A Green, Yellow, and Black Lantern Batman would be cool. And I think they all have clix.

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 01:38 AM
Thanks everybody, I'm loving the input here, and everyone has something different to recommend!


I have to note that Batman ('66), a wonderful design, is missing from your list.
I was just doing mainstream comics Batmans, he's based on the Adam West show isn't he? Although I guess there's no crossover symbol. I'm thinking of doing an Elseworlds/other Batmen (and a Spider-Verse) one down the line so I was saving him for then.

I'll be posting one every Friday evening. If anybody has anything they'd wanna add/tweak as far as ideas go in this thread let us know before then and we can hash it out in the few extra days before I thwip up the next candidate the Friday after this one.

IAmBatman
December 9th, 2021, 01:42 AM
The '66 Batmanverse isn't a part of the mainstream DC Comics universe. They definitely have comics, though. But, fair enough. People have mentioned Old Man Bruce in here, and he's also not part of the mainstream DC Comics universe, but the animated one, at least if it's the version I believe they're discussing.

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 01:57 AM
Yeah that's true. I intended it to be just mainstream Batman, but I figured some lee-way in the future designs couldn't hurt. Now that I rethink it though, I'd switch my answer on that to Yellow Lantern Batman, I'd love to write up a draft for that one.

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 01:59 AM
Also Ronin and Soundwarp SG-1 are those votes for best intro or must reads?

& IAmBatman I'm guessing the Year One mention was an honorable? I've been meaning to read Knightfall for awhile, this might be the push I need :)

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 02:00 AM
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b187cb176334510bd4a6740398c50a69-c
This scene was amazing! I gotta read the arc where he actually uses it.

Ronin
December 9th, 2021, 02:11 AM
I guess Must Reads by default?

IAmBatman
December 9th, 2021, 09:13 AM
Year One was definitely a vote. I was trying to be sneaky and shoehorn Contagion and Legacy into one, but you can just change that to Legacy.

japes
December 9th, 2021, 11:14 AM
Comics weren’t something I got a chance to read much of growing up due to cost and availability where I lived. But once I was out of the house is when my reading kicked off. I started with along Halloween and Year One as stories but the series I read was Legends of the Dark Knight as it fit the early years batman and meshed really well with Year One timeline. At least early on. Plus the five issue story arcs where great for me. Sort of the start of the “wrote to trades” aspect I guess.

I think Long Halloween is a great intro though. Two face is my favorite villain and this is a great retelling of his origin.

A lot of great stuff listed already so I’m going to go outside of those. I think the first five or so trades from the LotDK series are really good companion pieces for the Year One bat. Venom is one that really stuck out to me for some reason…but I like all the ones where he overcomes tough things using his mind. This is just a different way using his mind as it’s not really a detective story as a mental toughness and self control side. Different in that it doesn’t have one of his iconic villains really. Venom…but Bane isn’t here yet.

Arch-vile
December 9th, 2021, 11:19 AM
Legends of the Dark Knight is a great pick. Year Two is also a pretty fun companion to Year One.

IAmBatman
December 9th, 2021, 11:24 AM
I very nearly picked "Shaman," the first story arc of Legends of the Dark Knight. It's a nice companion read with "Year One." Also, I share its general sentiments about the cold.

japes
December 9th, 2021, 11:33 AM
Shaman is on my shelf. I thought I’d get some flack for LotDK. I wondered if it was actually good or if I was just sentimental about it since it was all my first real comic collection. Shaman is one of the few physical TPB I own.

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 07:50 PM
I guess Must Reads by default?

Yeah, makes sense, I'll just mark general recs as those then.

Splash
December 9th, 2021, 07:54 PM
I almost forgot one of my favorites! (Surely somewhat influenced by nostalgia) When I was like 9 or 10 read my first Batman comic from the library.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/416R9E74BXL.jpg
I thought it was great. It's probably more of a by the numbers book looking back, but there is a scene at the end I absolutely love where after Batman returns from his terrifying experience with the Aliens, he holds a facehugger in a jar in the Batcave and thinks something along the lines on "some secrets are best kept forgotten" and tosses it into the abyss.

I have no idea if this would be canon though...

edit: found it
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/QhT-IWbT8-OIGlzpPxHONz0datn3b9mWnsDY7UNE8tWO5648W08MBTNVHyzuSt-oMSabObN4vE8u=s0

IAmBatman
December 9th, 2021, 09:34 PM
Batman vs. Predator was pretty cool too. But, yeah, as far as I'm concerned, Batman fights pretty much everyone. :-P

MrNobody
December 10th, 2021, 12:29 AM
Batman fights pretty much everyone. :-P
The foundation of C3G. :p

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 05:15 PM
Anyone else who wants to chime in with their thoughts, feel free, I'll post results on Tuesday. :)
Thinking again of how fast the Strategy thread goes, I think I'll run about two polls concurrently, with each wrapping within a week of starting so everyone has some time.

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 05:26 PM
Matt Murdock aka Daredevil (Marvel Earth-616)
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/daredevil_1.jpg

The Battlin' Devils of Hell's Kitchen
Daredevil (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30297) (180 points)
Daredevil (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55159) (200 points)
Matt Murdock (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59100) (80 points)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Daredevil by Mark Waid Vol 1
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71CLlqp9eFL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Born Again
- Daredevil by Frank Miller & Klaus Janson
- Daredevil Epic Collection: A Woman Called Widow (vol. 1 #64-86, Iron Man #35-36)
- Daredevil Epic Collection: The Man Without Fear (vol. 1 #1-21)
- War of the Realms: War Scrolls (The War of the Realms: The Amazing Spider-Man & Daredevil TP)

~ Daredevil: End of Days
~ Marvel's Daredevil (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe Man Without Fear {1964–66} - A Woman Called Widow {1970–72} - Daredevil by Frank Miller & Klaus Janson {1979-83} - Born Again {1986} - Daredevil by Mark Waid {2011-14} - War of the Realms: War Scrolls {2019}

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 06:26 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations
If you walk into a comics shop and are looking for a good superhero comic, chances are you should pick Daredevil. Every Daredevil book I've read has been quite good at the very least and some of it has been the best stuff I've read (I'm sure there is a bad run somewhere, but I haven't gotten to it). Daredevil has tons of fantastic runs and he remains one of my favorite characters.

Best Introduction:
Daredevil by Mark Waid {vols. 3 & 4}/(Daredevil by Mark Waid Vol 1)
This run I think is a great introduction for newbies and I think I've read about halfway through each (3 & 4) and found them non-stop entertaining. We also see a more fun-loving, swashbuckling type DD like in the originals, but still weighed down by his serious inner demons. It's a perfect mix between the old Stan Lee type stuff and the gritty bottom of a sewer Miller type stuff.
On top of that the art is amazing! The illustrations and panels do a great job of communicating his radar sense and is sleek enough to be friendly to new readers. Honestly, the art alone is enough reason to give it a read.
Grab the first trade and give it a go.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- First I should probably mention, Man Without Fear, the Frank Miller Daredevil origin story, I still haven't read it yet, so I can't say whether it should be the intro book, although it is highly recommended by many.
- Vol 1 "the early stuff"/(Daredevil Epic Collection: The Man Without Fear)
Of the classic Marvel debuts, I found Spider-Man, DD, and X-Men to be the most enjoyable. You really see him jumping around on rooftops, cheesing it up, and I love it. You also get his origin and an intro to the supporting cast of Foggy, Karen, and the law office. Really what might drag it down are the mostly forgettable villains, while I may have a soft spot for Stilt-Man orthe Owl, them and the others hold it back from being the best book for someone just getting into DD.
- Daredevil by Frank Miller and Klaus Janson/(Trade Vol 1 or Omnibus)
This is the real source of when DD got dark. After this a lot of DD stories are about making Matt suffer as a tragic hero and sometimes antihero, some of which are pretty good. What you really see here are the introduction of a lot of cornerstone parts of Daredevil's story; Elektra, the Hand, his rivalry with Bullseye, and Matt personally putting himself in charge of keeping Kingpin in check.
- Daredevil: End of Days
A fantastic detective story, with Ben Urich tracking down the mystery behind Matt Murdock's death some 20 years in the future. I really enjoyed this one.
- Another one that should be checked out is Ann Nocenti's run, with the Typhoid Mary arc collected in Daredevil Epic Collection: A Touch of Typhoid. I've really been meaning to read this one as well.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
II is probably the smarter pick in most games (Go The Distance is so fun), but the first DD really captures him at his most iconic, Man Without Fear (a power titled just for him) lets him hit everybody in the room and his Radar Sense, similar to Spidey's spider sense, lets him dodge bullets and leap up to the rafters just like he does in the comics. Criminal Intimidation doesn't come into play a lot, but if anyone should have it, it's Daredevil.
And a shoutout to Matt Murdock for bringing in the lawyering side.

edit: ugh, I changed my mind, II is the best one

Future Design Ideas:
Original Yellow suit, for sure. I know I saw a design somewhere in the public...

Ronin
December 11th, 2021, 06:38 PM
Daredevil: Born Again is a classic.

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 06:45 PM
Ooh, that's definitely the next one on my list of need to reads after the two I mentioned.

IAmBatman
December 11th, 2021, 07:07 PM
I don't think I've ever read a Daredevil comic! I'll have to check out some of your suggestions here. :-) Definitely enjoyed the Netflix show and recommend all three seasons. It was satisfying up to the end.

Best design I have to give to Daredevil (II), who's just a nasty beater. I'll agree that the only other version I'd really be interested in is the Yellow Suit Daredevil. Not really sure what else you could even do?

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 07:28 PM
There was an evil Shadowlands Hand leader DD but I didn't read that one

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 07:29 PM
The show is great, II basically embodies that hallway scene

Ronin
December 11th, 2021, 07:30 PM
There's Shadowland Daredevil though that's a pretty divergent take. 90s Armor Daredevil, I guess, if anyone cares about that? He also gets a short-lived alternate look in the Waid run that'd be fun to have on a card.

The yellow look is definitely the big one. Will try to get on that soonish.

IAmBatman
December 11th, 2021, 07:48 PM
Hmm, isn’t Matt Kingpin at some point? That’d be a thing.

Tornado
December 11th, 2021, 07:49 PM
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.TEJhGXiFK8b-RcnF_6g66AHaLZ&pid=Api&P=0&w=400&h=615

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 08:04 PM
After a quick search Kid Arachnid (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2453151&postcount=23611) and Ronin (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2437031&postcount=1981) have one for yellow DD.

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 08:05 PM
Also Daredevil: Yellow is yet another one I need to read.

IAmBatman
December 11th, 2021, 08:09 PM
Are you planning to compile and link the results of these in the OP, btw? Would be a great reference for future reading.

Splash
December 11th, 2021, 08:10 PM
You know it

Soundwarp SG-1
December 11th, 2021, 08:36 PM
I dont think I've ever read a like actual Daredevil story instead of just random single issues.

.. unless the Mr. Kline pseudo Iron Man crossover counts?

https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Mister-Kline-The-Assassin-Marvel-Comics-d.jpg

Arch-vile
December 11th, 2021, 08:49 PM
I'm not sure I've read any Daredevil comics. The Netflix show is one of my favorites, though. Season 3 is one of the best seasons of any shows I've watched.

And I'll echo the Daredevil (II) love. Love that design.

japes
December 12th, 2021, 11:49 AM
Also Daredevil: Yellow is yet another one I need to read.

It's worth a read but nothing spectacular but it was after the show when I read it, so it could be better than I'm remembering and I was just coming off the high of the show.

Most of the stuff I'd recommend has already been mentioned. I don't have a deep dive option here like I did with Batman. I've really only read the highlights mentioned here and haven't read a lot yet so I'll be checking back to see what I missed.

Splash
December 12th, 2021, 01:14 PM
You should still vote your favourites so they're higher on the list ;)

japes
December 12th, 2021, 05:53 PM
You should still vote your favourites so they're higher on the list ;)

problem is I don't really remember them. I just know I read them.

Splash
December 12th, 2021, 05:57 PM
I mean most of the stuff I read years ago, I just generally remember liking it, some cool moments that happened, and the general flavor.

Splash
December 14th, 2021, 01:02 AM
First results are in and added to the Batman post! (Technically not until tomorrow, but I think everyone's done voting)
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction
Batman: The Long Halloween AND Batman: Year One

Iconic/Must Reads
2 Votes
- Batman: Knightfall

1 Vote
- Batman (Vol. 1) #147
- Batman: Dark Victory
- Batman: Legacy (& Batman: Contagion, since Bats admitted that he cheats :P)
- Batman: No Man’s Land
- Batman: The Court of Owls
- Batman: The Cult
- Batman: The Killing Joke
- Batman: The War of Jokes and Riddles
- Batman: Venom (Legends of the Dark Knight)
- Batman R.I.P.

~ Batman: Gotham By Gaslight
~ Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
We actually have a tie, there were two votes each for both as best intro and two votes each for in general.
I went ahead and counted intro votes that didn't make it towards the Iconic Reads, I'll do that moving forward as I don't want anyone to feel like they're wasting a vote.
Also, let me know if I missed or misinterpreted anyone recommendations; comics can be a confounding thing.

I'll probably add a reading chronology as well in case anyone wants to tackle a whole character's recs :)

Stay tuned tomorrow evening for the first faction/team vote!

Tornado
December 14th, 2021, 08:02 AM
You left Bat Baby off the list.

Splash
December 14th, 2021, 12:03 PM
Oop didn't realize that was a vote, I'll add it after work

Splash
December 14th, 2021, 06:15 PM
Bat-Baby and Reading chronology added!

Splash
December 14th, 2021, 08:17 PM
AMALGAM UNIVERSE
https://seanmills6.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/amalgam-character-list-04.jpg

Amalgamation Domination!
Bizarnage (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58065) (220)
Spider-Boy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58186) (230)
Super Soldier (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58109) (330)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- DC Versus Marvel
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yLEAAOSwMa9f~aDv/s-l500.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- The Amalgam Age of Comics: The Marvel Comics Collection (includes Bruce Wayne, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1, Magneto and the Magnetic Men #1, X-Patrol #1, and more)

1 Vote
- Crossover Classics: The Marvel/DC Collection, Vol 1

~ Death Battle (YouTube Series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDY
The Marvel/DC Collection Vol 1 {1976-82} - DC Versus Marvel {1996} - The Marvel Comics Collection {1996}

Splash
December 14th, 2021, 10:16 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I haven't actually read any, however I'm curious if anyone else has. The appeal is obvious, who wouldn't wanna see a mashup of their favorite characters/inter-company rivals?

Iconic/Must Reads:
I myself haven't read any, but back in the days of just reading character bios I did absorb a bit of the cool combos that they came up with, well some I agreed with and some I didn't, but it was a cool concept.
What I found more interesting, like many young fans, was who would win in a fight (although that hasn't changed much XD). One of the earlier books I read was, again in a library, was called Crossover Classics: The Marvel/DC Collection (I had to look it up of course). Before Amalgam really, but it collected the earliest crossovers between Marvel and DC. There was a Superman/Spider-Man one, a Hulk/Batman one, and an X-Men/Teen Titans one.
I'm pretty sure my favorite was the Supes/Spidey one because Spider-Man was very Spider-Man in that one. The Hulk/Batman one I remember was weird cause they chose Shaper of Worlds as the Hulk villain. I honestly don't recall anything from the last one except that they were in space.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
The Web-Pistol is a fun glyph, but gonna go Super Soldier. A better mashup choice and a fun card to play with or against.

Future Design Ideas:
Hyena would be cool to play as.

IAmBatman
December 14th, 2021, 11:35 PM
Best Intro
The whole thing is really set up by the DC vs. Marvel miniseries event. It's a bit gimmicky, but it's a fun read and gives context for the whole Amalgam thing, so I have to recommend it.

Must Reads
Honestly the only one I've actually read is the last issue of the DC vs. Marvel miniseries, where they started getting into the Amalgam stuff. But my favorite character from it is Bruce Wayne, Agent of SHIELD, just because I think it's funny.

Best Design of the Bunch: I'll go Spider-Boy. I like Super Soldier, but he's almost too good and casts a bit of a shadow over the soldier faction sometimes. Really neat design, though.

Future Design Ideas: Gotta get a Dark Klaw.

Splash
December 15th, 2021, 12:24 AM
Cool, I'm beginning to think I'll have to read those soon.

I'll just go ahead and mention anyone can vote for any sort of stuff you've read where Marvel and DC have come together here, since they used a crossover to start Amalgam.

Arch-vile
December 15th, 2021, 09:17 AM
I haven't read much Amalgam (the only issue I have is Magento leading the Metal Men, which is a cool concept but that's about it). I think the characters are really cool though.

Super Soldier is my favorite design. I agree that it'd be great to see a Dark Claw.

FreshFoods
December 15th, 2021, 10:19 AM
Best Intro : Never read it! Honorable mention to the Death Battle youtube series I guess? Sometimes DC/Marvel characters get matched up on there.

Must Reads : N/A

Best Design of the Bunch: Super Soldier. Really dig what he brings to the Soldiers.

Future Design Ideas: Amazon and Dark Claw top my list. Honorable mention to Captain Marvel, because mixing Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel to make Captain Marvel is hilarious.

Xael Raymand
December 15th, 2021, 11:03 AM
When I was a kid I remember having issue #2 and #4 of Marvel vs DC. I remember always being super annoyed about the missing issues because at the back of each issue they would say who won which fights and I always felt like I was missing great stuff.

IAmBatman
December 15th, 2021, 11:40 AM
Yeah, issue #3 is worth tracking down.

japes
December 15th, 2021, 10:58 PM
I haven't read much Amalgam (the only issue I have is Magento leading the Metal Men, which is a cool concept but that's about it). I think the characters are really cool though.

Super Soldier is my favorite design. I agree that it'd be great to see a Dark Claw.

That's pretty much what I recall of the whole thing. Cool Concept...but that's about it. I remember exactly zero of it. But Dark Claw the concept was my favorite. Of course it combines my two favorite characters so it makes sense.

Soundwarp SG-1
December 15th, 2021, 11:11 PM
Amalgam has some cool character ideas (and some less cool ones), but I wouldn't really consider any of the issues all that worth reading.

MrNobody
December 17th, 2021, 03:26 PM
Again, y'all deny the brilliance of Shatterstarfire. :p

IAmBatman
December 17th, 2021, 04:11 PM
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_small/6/67663/2169768-x_patrol.jpg

Tornado
December 17th, 2021, 05:24 PM
Miles Cable!

Splash
December 17th, 2021, 08:48 PM
Daredevil's results are in and posted! I also added a nice cover to the Intro winners. :)

Splash
December 17th, 2021, 08:50 PM
And now for the moment most every comic fan has been waiting for...

The release of Spider-Man: No Way Home!

But while you're killing time/getting hyped waiting to watch that, or if you've seen it already and are simply reflecting on just how good everything relating to Spider-Man is, check out all the mainstream Peter Parkers C3G has released (with almost half released this month) and vote for your favorite Spidey comics!

Splash
December 17th, 2021, 08:52 PM
Peter Parker aka Spider-Man (Marvel Earth-616)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/04/d1/fe/04d1fe4857cca095fc89124f95b5dc53.jpg

Spideys A Swinging!
Bombastic Bag-Man (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57285) (125)
Man-Spider (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57012) (270)
Spider-Hulk (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59016) (320)
Spider-Man (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36141) (250)
Spider-Man (Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57895) (280)
Spider-Man (Avengers Holiday Party) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59317) (180)
Spider-Man (Future Foundation) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57172) (225)
Spider-Man (Hasbro) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9716) (160)
Spider-Man (Spider-Verse) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58617) (240)
Spider-Man (Symbiote) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56640) (275)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ Ultimate Spider-Man (Ultimate Collection OR Omnibus)
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51aMqEZLbUL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- The Amazing Spider-Man (Epic Collection: Great Power OR Omnibus Vol 1)

1 Vote
- Amazing Spider-Man Epic Collection: Kraven's Last Hunt (contains Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1)
- Amazing Spider-Man Epic Collection: Venom (vol. 1 #295310, Annual #22; Spectacular Spider-Man #133; Web of Spider-Man #33)
- Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The New Fantastic Four
- Marvels
- Spider-Man: Deadly Foes of Spider-Man
- Spider-Man: Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut
- Spider-Verse
- The Amazing Spider-Man: Hunted
- The Amazing Spider-Man: Matters of Life and Death (contains No One Dies)
- Untold Tales of Spider-Man (The Complete Collection OR Omnibus)

~ Spider-Man: Life Story
~ Superman and Spider-Man

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYGreat Power {196264} - Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut {1982} - Kraven's Last Hunt {1986-87} - Venom {1987-88} - The New Fantastic Four {199092} - Deadly Foes of Spider-Man {1991} - Marvels {1993-94} - Untold Tales of Spider-Man {1995-97} - Matters of Life and Death {2011} - Spider-Verse {2014-15} - Hunted {2019}

Great Power (60sSM) - Untold Tales of Spider-Man (60sSM) - Marvels (PreSM-70sSM) - Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut (80sSM) - Kraven's Last Hunt (80sSM) - Venom (80sSM) - The New Fantastic Four (90sSM) - Deadly Foes of Spider-Man (90sSM) - Matters of Life and Death (10sSM) - Spider-Verse (10sSM) - Hunted (10sSM)

IAmBatman
December 18th, 2021, 12:52 AM
I've read far too little Spider-Man to have any confidence saying what the best introduction would be. So I'll leave that to the better suited.

Iconic Must Reads
I'm going to go really weird on this one and go with my favorite Spider-Man story: Superman and Spider-Man (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/553837.Superman_and_Spider_Man)!
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1507683053l/553837._SY475_.jpg

Best Design
Though I'm tempted to go off script and call out Captain Universe or Spider-Ham, I'm going to go with Avengers Holiday Party Spidey just because I'm really impressed that such a narrow concept was realized as such a playable card.

Future Design
I'm eager to see journalist Peter Parker.

Ronin
December 18th, 2021, 01:18 AM
Ultimate Spider-Man is the most accessible entry point for the character - philosophically different from the original, but still good in its own right. You have to do something a little different to make a new version worth it anyway. It's a super light read and something I usually recommend as a first superhero book to check out. The Ultimate version of Venom is crap though.

Ditko's Amazing Spider-Man run is still king as far as I'm concerned. It's definitely of its time, so I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point unless you have a tolerance for the story-telling tropes of the 60s. That said, it hits the ground running and delivers some of Spidey's most iconic moments. Spidey's had some character drift over the years, but his shtick remains pretty consistent because Lee and Ditko knocked it out of the park.

Deadly Foes of Spider-Man is a fun 90s heist miniseries starring some of Spidey's rogues. It had a substantial impact on the Thunderbolts and also inspired two follow-up books: The Lethal Foes of Spider-Man and The Superior Foes of Spider-Man. Lethal Foes came just a couple years later and is not quite as clever as the original, but throws more villains into the mix for a zanier story. Superior Foes is a more modern (2013) spin on the idea. It leans a bit more comedic than the original, but still pays homage to its roots.

Untold Tales of Spider-Man is worth checking out if you're into the high-school setting for Spidey - it's set 'in between' the issues of the Ditko run and fleshes out Pete's high school world a bit.

Honorable mentions: Stern's run on SSM and ASM, Spider-Man 2099 (the original volume published in the 90s), Zdarsky's run on SSM, Spider-Man & the Secret Wars Issue #3, Spider-Man and the X-Men, the first half of the Clone Saga

Tornado
December 18th, 2021, 02:52 AM
Spider-Man vs Wolverine
New F4 with Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk & Ghost Rider.

Best C3G, have to go with the original.

Splash
December 18th, 2021, 04:18 PM
Oop I realized I posted a day earlier than I said I would and felt a bit silly, I'll just do the next one whenever it feels like that last one wraps, much simpler (keeping a week until results are counted).

Splash
December 18th, 2021, 04:21 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
The Amazing Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man Epic Collection: Great Power)
I put this one up top simply because if you’re going to read classic Marvel, Spider-Man is simply the best series to read. It’s corny and dated, but you get his origin, the whole idea of his character, and best of all page after page of classic villains making their debut. Like at least half of his rogues gallery is just right here in the beginning; Sinister Six, Green Goblin, Lizard, Scorpion. If you keep reading you’ll hit arcs like If This Be My Destiny and Spider-Man No More and more villain intros like Rhino and Kingpin.

Iconic/Must Reads:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81gGOp8gftL.jpg
- Marvels
Marvels is one of my favorite comics in general and I consider it the best introduction to the early days of Marvel. It’s from the perspective of an average citizen who works for the Daily Bugle and gets across how the public reacted to various heroes showing up across New York. The art is some of the best you’ll ever see and, of course, encounters with Spider-Man are one of the central events.
- Hunted (The Amazing Spider-Man: Hunted)
Hunted is a pretty fun read and sort of sequel to Kraven’s Last Hunt, which is definitely on my list of things to get to, more iconic, and probably even better.
- Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut!/The Amazing Spider-Man #229–230 (Vol. 1)
This is a great little arc that, aside from showing just how unstoppable the Juggernaut is, demonstrates Spider-Man giving his absolute all to protect people and how he never stops trying even against overwhelming odds.
- Spider-Man is also a great stand-out side-character in whatever he’s in whether it be the countless team ups, whatever Secret War/s is happening, and all the other crossover events.
- I'll also recommend Marvel Zombies (Marvel Zombies Vol. 1: The Complete Collection). This is probably my favorite non-616 Peter Parker story, because it takes the central drive of his character, his guilt, and drives it beyond its limits. After contracting “the Hunger”, he succumbs and eats his family (in Dead Days) and his soul is just shattered afterwards.


Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
I’m also gonna have to go classic C3G Spider-Man. The design just gets everything down for him and is my go to Spidey. Symbiote Spidey is a close second, and all the others are not too far behind and also look like tons of fun to play. It's also kinda cool how the Hasbro Spidey is basically a stand-in for early years/inexperienced Peter Parker.


Future Design Ideas:
Iron Spider - We have so many Spiders, but not this Civil War Spidey, I’m honestly a bit surprised.
Also we need Glyph of Pizza for Pizza Time!, could add to his Move number for speedy delivery. I’m sure the TMNT wouldn’t mind one either.

IAmBatman
December 18th, 2021, 05:12 PM
Glyph of Pizza is a must. Just not sure what it would do!

tcglkn
December 18th, 2021, 05:37 PM
Guess I'll chime in since I know a bit about Spider-Man:
C3Gs Comics Recommendations
Best Introduction
Really not sure what to put here, everyone knows who Spider-Man is. I do own the first Amazing Spider-Man Omnibus which includes Amazing Fantasy 15, just start at the beginning :)

Iconic/Must Reads
Spider-Verse (2014) by Dan Slott, Olivier Coipel and Giuseppe Camuncoli, truly an iconic part of the character is the multiverse and variations (and clones, but don't read the Clone Saga...) these days.
No One Dies, Spider-Man's willingness to protect anyone no matter the cost is taken to the extreme here and it's a great story arc.
Spider-Man: Life Story 6 issues and an annual written by Chip Zdarsky and drawn Mark Bagley that take you through Spider-Man's life one decade at a time. The annual focuses on JJJ but is still a fantastic inclusion to the story.


Thematic Favorites
Best Design of the Bunch
C3G Spider-Man just nails the essence of Spider-Man, it took a long time to feel like we could build on that.

Future Design Ideas
I have a lot 8)

Splash
December 18th, 2021, 06:12 PM
(and clones, but don't read the Clone Saga...}
XD, what about One More Day?

Life Story sounds sweet, surprised I haven't heard of that one before, I'll have to check it out.

tcglkn
December 18th, 2021, 06:17 PM
One More Day is fine.

Arch-vile
December 19th, 2021, 05:06 PM
I haven't read a ton of Spidey, but I really liked what I have read. My dad has comics of The Amazing Spider-Man (290ish-340ish) and I loved that whole run. That run introduces Venom, which was obviously a big deal. Ultimate Spider-Man is also a solid take on the character, though I didn't read much of that (I never made it to the Miles introduction).

Classic C3G Spider-Man is my favorite design, but I love the variety we have now too. Avengers Spidey is probably my second most used Spider-Man design.

As for future designs, I'd love to see a civilian Peter Parker.

Splash
December 19th, 2021, 11:23 PM
Nice! I've read the og Venom stuff too and was gonna put that, but figured I'd leave it for Venom. Though the bell tower is a classic Peter moment.

japes
December 20th, 2021, 06:26 PM
Some of the best Spider-Man doesn't age well to me but its the same story we all know. Because of that ill go with Ultimate Spider-Man as a starting point. Its what I started with my son when he was younger and it was fun.


Splash
December 21st, 2021, 08:14 PM
WATCHMEN
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Watchmencharacters.jpg

Thermodynamic Miracles
Comedian (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42215) (160)
Doctor Manhattan (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=47253) (470)
Nite Owl (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42214) (130)
Ozymandias (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=43176) (200)
Rorschach (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=43160) (140)
Silk Spectre (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=45120) (100)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Watchmen
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41chVzBhJiL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- Doomsday Clock

1 Vote
- Before Watchmen: Minutemen
- The Button

~ Watchmen (2009 film)
~ Watchmen (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDY
Watchmen {198687} - Before Watchmen: Minutemen {2012-13} - The Button {2017} - Doomsday Clock {2017-19}

IAmBatman
December 21st, 2021, 10:15 PM
Best Introduction and Iconic Read are both just The Watchmen by Alan Moore. Never read any more comics with them and I’m happy with that.

Best character we’ve done has to go to Ozymandias for his impact on the metagame. I most want to see Hooded Justice.

Arch-vile
December 21st, 2021, 10:48 PM
For the Watchmen, definitely need to read Watchmen. :p It's a classic for a reason. The movie is also really good, and the movie's changes actually improve the source material in my opinion.

I enjoyed The Button and its follow up Doomsday Clock as well, which encompasses an event where the Watchmen universe collides with the DC universe. It doesn't reach Watchmen's highs (how could it?), but it's pretty fun for a crossover story IMO.

My favorite design is Nite Owl as he is very useful to the Vigilante faction. Ozymandias is great, but he's a bit too powerful for my liking and not fun to play against. For future designs, I want to see Bubastis, Ozy's cat.

Splash
December 21st, 2021, 11:56 PM
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
- Watchmen
Obviously, the essential read here and for many all that's worth reading. Touted by countless comic fans as one of the best comics there is. It's pretty good.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Doomsday Clock
The Watchmen universe collides with mainstream DC. I loved this one, and as someone who hasn't always read a ton of DC comics, I found it a great way to bust into DC, for me anyway.
- Before Watchmen: Minutemen
Out of all the Before Watchmen prequel comics that were put out this is probably the only one worth reading and one of the only ones that really adds anything substantial as well. I liked it a lot.
~ Watchmen (TV Series)
Although not a comic, the HBO show functions as a direct continuation of the original comic (albeit 30 or so years later), and like the comic it gets weird and has some pointed takes on our current societal state. Some of the plotlines are better than others; the episode focusing on Hooded Justice is the best.
~ The 2009 Watchmen movie has also been mentioned and it is amazing, especially considering my opinions on the director's track record.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
- Doctor Manhattan
He comes with a doomsday clock round counter and everything! The design really captures the spirit of an uncaring omnipotent god masquerading as a mortal, who really only gets nerfed by his own apathy.

Future Design Ideas
Hooded Justice, particularly a design where he could be read as the version from the show. There's a bunch I'd like to see, like the rest of the Minutemen (I was thinking of designing Mothman), Bubastis, and maybe Moloch.

IAmBatman
December 22nd, 2021, 09:34 AM
I do also like the Watchman movie from 2009 and the Watchmen tv series.

Splash
December 26th, 2021, 11:17 PM
Spidey's comic results are posted; Ultimate Spider-Man was the winner!
edit: I streamlined them a bit, should be easier to digest.

Up next is Clark Kent, perhaps better known by his alter ego, Superman.

And remember, if you're a bit busy at the end of the year, votes will not be counted until a week has passed (the day after New Year's).

Splash
December 26th, 2021, 11:20 PM
Kal-El of Krypton aka Superman (Clark Kent) (Mainstream DC)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/az/a/af/Supermen_Cim_Li.jpg

Men of Steel
Clark Kent (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58848) (120)
Superboy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=38242) (330)
Superman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28589) (400)
Superman (II) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35993) (450)
Superman (Justice League) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52397) (440)
Superman (Justice League - II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58748) (380)
Superman (Superman Family) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58047) (430)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ All-Star Superman
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ICONIC/MUST READS
3 Votes
~ Red Son
~ Superman: The Animated Series/Justice League/DCAU (TV series)

2 Votes
- The Death & Return Of Superman Omnibus (includes Funeral for a Friend and Reign of the Supermen; also available in trades)

1 Vote
- The Man of Steel
- Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age (Trade or Omnibus)
- Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?

~ Injustice: Gods Among Us
~ Kingdom Come
~ Superman Meets the Quik Bunny #1
~ Superman Smashes the Klan

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYLegion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age {1958-60s} - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? {1986} - The Man of Steel {1986} - The Death & Return Of Superman {1992-93}

Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
Crisis on Infinite Earths
The Man of Steel - The Death & Return Of Superman

Arch-vile
December 27th, 2021, 12:40 AM
All-Star Superman is the definitive Superman experience, IMO. I actually prefer the animated movie to the comic since it cuts out some fluff. But both are great.

Other favorites are Red Son and Kingdom Come as both put Superman in some really tough situations while remaining true to the character. Im a big fan of Elseworlds takes on Superman, and I generally think hes better in team-up stories than individually. In mainline DC, The Death of Superman saga is a classic. I feel like the death itself was kinda lame, but the events afterward introducing four new Supermen to take up the mantle was fantastic. Shoutout to Super Sons as well, but thats less of a Clark story.

I like all the Superman cards, but I think Superman II (450) is my definitive take on the character. Gets all his expected powers down while being a peak Unique Hero power level.

Tornado
December 27th, 2021, 04:38 AM
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.o8BHMjXYJcOfPtgwHVY5TAHaLX&pid=Api&P=0&w=400&h=614

IAmBatman
December 27th, 2021, 11:18 AM
The Death of Superman saga is really kind of four stories, but the way it's set up I actually kind of love it as an introduction to the character, because nothing shows his importance as well as his loss.

Within those four stories, I'll point out an underrated one: Funeral for a Friend that is worth the read. Though I also like Reign of the Supermen, which introduces a lot of important support characters, like Steel and Kon-El and the original Eradicator. The end of it (which is really the Return of Superman at that point) also greatly impacts the Green Lantern mythos.

Though the second JL version of Superman is a big challenger, I'll agree that Superman (II) still has the crown for me. The two I LD'ed are easily the worst of the bunch. :-P

As for ones we haven't seen yet, I'd really love a Superman Blue with electric powers.

FreshFoods
December 27th, 2021, 12:01 PM
All-Star Superman is easily my vote best intro. I was pretty neutral on Supes before reading it, but it turned me into a fan.

Besides that, I really like Superman Smashes the Klan and Red Son. SSK is for teens/young adults, but it's a fun read that explores prejudice and (unsurprisingly) racism. And seeing klansmen get beat up is a fun time. :lol:

Favorite card is Superman *JL I*. I know it's not our strongest Superman, but within the context of the JL faction, I think he hits the 'big guy who takes punches' role well.

IAmBatman
December 27th, 2021, 12:04 PM
I'll take any love I can get for Superman JL-I. :-D

MrNobody
December 27th, 2021, 12:11 PM
Love all the stories named, especially All-Star Superman. But just to pick one that hasn’t been named yet, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow has always been a big one to me. And the early Superboy/Legion stories collected in Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age are a ton of fun!

I love all the Supermen we have, but Superman (JL II) has captured my imagination a lot recently. He works in JL builds, but he’s also the Supes you want to use as a generalist piece to have room for other units. That’s a neat niche for a Superman to fill.

Got to agree with Bats that Superman Blue feels like the most “missing” Clark.

Splash
December 27th, 2021, 06:22 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I actually read All-Star Superman on a recommendation and just didn’t really like it all that much looking back, so for best intro I’ll go..
The Man of Steel by John Byrne. The post-Crisis reintroduction of his early years is a great intro to the character and might pair well with Batman Year One.

Iconic/Must Reads:
I still haven’t read a ton, so my picks will be a little off-brand. I did read Kingdom Come and liked it, but don’t really remember much of Superman in it.
~ Red Son
Elseworld Soviet-era Superman. A fun and interesting read.
~ Injustice (video game)
The Injustice games were a big eye opener when it came to DC for me. The take of alt-universe dictator Superman isn't uncommon, but he’s real ruthless here. I’m sure the comics are great too, but there are a ton now, so it’s kind of intimidating, plus I gotta read more main DC Supes.
~ Superman: The Animated Series/DCAU (TV series)
Probably the one I most associate with Superman now, him being ultra powerful is part of why I wasn’t a superfan as a kid and the series does a good job of keeping him vulnerable as well as communicating his values. I know a good writer can make it about more than that, but again I need to read more.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Superman (II) 450
The reason his character isn’t always as motivating from an outside perspective is also exactly why he’s super fun in-game. It’s invigorating playing as a Kryptonian tank against an opponent. Supes II is the buffest there is on stats and he has a great assortment of his iconic powers, with Heat Vision being my favorite. Themewise, he’s also a character that makes you realize why C3G cards multiple versions of characters, since he has so many friggin powers.

Future Design Ideas
~ Red Son Superman

IAmBatman
December 27th, 2021, 06:29 PM
Superman: TAS is a good watch. :up:

Arch-vile
December 27th, 2021, 09:02 PM
The Injustice comics are great! The first 3 graphic novels are the whole Tom Taylor run (prior to Injustice 2).

Splash
December 29th, 2021, 07:10 PM
Watchmen results should be posted, up next is the Runaways. :)

Splash
December 29th, 2021, 07:11 PM
RUNAWAYS
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/runaways_earth_616_shopped.jpg

Trying Not To Die!
Chase Stein (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52464) (120)
Gert Yorkes (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54164) (30)
Karolina Dean (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=50619) (130)
Molly Hayes (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34085) (180)
Nico Minoru (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54573) (200)
Old Lace (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54651) (140)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Runaways vol. 1 (Complete Collection Vol 1 or Pride & Joy)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Avengers Arena: The Complete Collection
- Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways
- Runaways by Rainbow Rowell (Vol 1: Find Your Way Home)
- Runaways vol. 2 (Complete Collection Vol 2-3 or Runaways by Brian K. Vaughan and Adrian Alphona Omnibus)
- X-Men: S.W.O.R.D. (No Time To Breathe)

~ Runaways (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYRunaways vol. 1-2 {2003-08} - Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways {2006} - X-Men: S.W.O.R.D. {2010} - Avengers Arena {2013-14} - Runaways vol. 5 {201721}

IAmBatman
December 29th, 2021, 08:52 PM
I liked the first season of the show, but kind of fell off during the second season. :-P I'd struggle to choose a favorite design from the bunch as I haven't really played them all together much. Zero comics experience with them.

Oh, and want an Alex Wilder still for future designs.

Soundwarp SG-1
December 29th, 2021, 08:57 PM
I think I actually read the first like... trade paperback or whatever of Runaways but I remember nothing of it.

And yet I do remember Karolina showing up for like 2 panels in the SWORD book. Weird how memory works.

tcglkn
December 30th, 2021, 12:27 AM
The recent run of Runaways that I read was good. Not sure what that was.

Supergoblin64
December 30th, 2021, 12:55 AM
Best Introduction
Runaways Vol. 1: Pride & Joy is definitely the best way to get into the series and characters. I heavily disliked the show (pretty inaccurate to the comics) and only watched the first season; however, if you haven't read the comics you can give this a try.

Must Reads
Read all of Brian K. Vaughan's run. The first couple of digests were the first comics I got into and they still hold up. It's really good. I haven't read past his stuff but I've heard the latest run is decent.
-Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways
A nice tie-in to the Civil War event. Doesn't really relate much to the main story but has some nice interactions between the two teams.

Thematic Favorites
I've only played with Gert, Old Lace, Chase, and Karolina, but I like the all the synergy they have. Some nice protection with Karolina, boosts with Chase, initiative stuff with Gert, and attack with Old Lace. Nico looks to have good bonding. If I have to pick a favorite I say Karolina.

Future Designs
Alex Wilder would be great down the line. Add some more bonding and maybe some order marker removal/moving. Victor Mancha and Xavin would be cool, too. I have designs for all three but they definitely need tweaking.

Splash
December 30th, 2021, 01:37 AM
Best Introduction
Runaways Vol. 1: Pride & Joy is definitely the best way to get into the series and characters. I heavily disliked the show (pretty inaccurate to the comics) and only watched the first season; however, if you haven't read the comics you can give this a try.

Must Reads
Read all of Brian K. Vaughan's run. The first couple of digests were the first comics I got into and they still hold up. It's really good. I haven't read past his stuff but I've heard the latest run is decent.
-Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways
A nice tie-in to the Civil War event. Doesn't really relate much to the main story but has some nice interactions between the two teams.

Thematic Favorites
I've only played with Gert, Old Lace, Chase, and Karolina, but I like the all the synergy they have. Some nice protection with Karolina, boosts with Chase, initiative stuff with Gert, and attack with Old Lace. Nico looks to have good bonding. If I have to pick a favorite I say Karolina.

Future Designs
Alex Wilder would be great down the line. Add some more bonding and maybe some order marker removal/moving. Victor Mancha and Xavin would be cool, too. I have designs for all three but they definitely need tweaking.
Hey supergoblin thanks for stopping by!
Hope to see you around more. :)

Tornado
December 30th, 2021, 07:16 AM
Old Lace rules.

Splash
December 30th, 2021, 04:48 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Runaways: The Complete Collection Volume 1
Yeah definitely start at the start, great intro to the characters. It was awhile ago, but I enjoyed all of Vol 1.

Iconic/Must Reads:
Avengers Arena: The Complete Collection
I also remember that I really liked this one, although it only really had Nico and Chase in it for most of the thing. It was essentially Arcade making a bunch of young heroes do a Battle Royale (probably trying to get some reads off hype from the hunger games), but I’m always down for Most Dangerous Game style or “throw a bunch of characters in a situation and see what happens” stories.
Haven’t read much else, but I definitely wanna start Vol 2 at some point and meet the others.

The show was alrightish, definitely not as good as the comics. The upside is they develop Alex and the Pride more, but they change all the characters at least somewhat. Main things I didn’t like is they tamed down Gert and there is also a moment where they throw Karolina under the bus to develop Chase’s character that really isn’t good.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Nico Minoru
She has solid thematic powers and works good in MD armies almost as well as Runaways, fun all around and probably my favorite character too.
Old Lace comes in a close second, because tbh big dinosaur was the main draw for younger me.

Future Design Ideas
~ Alex Wilder, but we should definitely get Xavin and Victor Mancha too.

Splash
January 2nd, 2022, 05:44 PM
Bruce Banner aka The Hulk (Marvel Earth-616)
https://crushingkrisis.com/assets/incredible_hulk_7_1.jpg

The Fractured Psyche of Dr. Bruce Banner
Bruce Banner (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37258) (70)
Hulk (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34967) (380)
Hulk (Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56738) (450)
Incredible Hulk (Hasbro) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9718) (370)
Joe Fixit (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48663) (310)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- The Immortal Hulk (Vol 1: Or Is He Both? OR Omnibus)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-8352314.jpg?1607971182

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- The Incredible Hulk vol. 1 (Incredible Hulk Epic Collection: Man or Monster?)
- The Incredible Hulk by Peter David (Incredible Hulk Epic Collection: Ghost of the Past)
- The Totally Awesome Hulk (Totally Awesome Hulk Vol. 1: Cho Time)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYIncredible Hulk Epic Collection: Man or Monster? {196265} - Incredible Hulk Epic Collection: Ghost of the Past {199293} - The Totally Awesome Hulk {2016-17} - The Immortal Hulk {2018-21}

tcglkn
January 2nd, 2022, 05:53 PM
Immortal Hulk. That’s it.

IAmBatman
January 3rd, 2022, 01:01 AM
I don't think I've ever read any Hulk. Only remaining Hulk character that I know of and really want is Doc Sampson. Favorite Hulk design is, very easily, Hulk (Avengers).

Splash
January 4th, 2022, 05:10 AM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Hulk was definitely one of my favorites as a kid (I pity anyone who has never owned a pair of 2003 Hulk gloves, regardless of age), so I know a lot of his story, but I don’t think I’ve actually read enough Hulk to give a definitive answer here.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- The beginning (Incredible Hulk Epic Collection: Man or Monster?)
I’m usually a fan of starting at the start and getting the origin of the character, and I think the Hulk’s early stuff is worth it. Hulk’s initial series has the initial accident and saving Rick Jones, Betty and General Ross, wandering around the desert, and some cold war hijinks. Not a whole lot going on, his major villains aren’t here yet, but this thing gets all the early Hulk appearances including his time in the Avengers, and fights with Thing and Spider-Man.
- Incredible Hulk Epic Collection: Ghost of the Past
Peter David’s work on the Hulk is renowned by a lot of fans and he wrote the series for more than a decade, developing a lot of Banner’s psychological issues and Hulk’s personalities. One issue happened to be my first Hulk comic. Incredible Hulk #402-404 he has his first ever fight with the Juggernaut in the Amazon Jungle. Then Red Skull, with the help of Mentallo, brainwashes him (using his past relationship with his abusive father) for some sort of evil plan of world domination and he fights the Avengers before breaking out of it and fighting Juggernaut again. The stuff in the beginning of this trade is apparently sort of a final showdown between Hulk and Leader, which I’m sure is also totally worth reading.
- The Totally Awesome Hulk (Totally Awesome Hulk Vol. 1: Cho Time)
This series kicks off with world-class genius and friend of Hulk, Amadeus Cho, absorbing the powers of the Hulk and trying to prove Hulk can be a force for good. Banner, although a more minor character, partly (when he's not deceased) serves as a friend and mentor to Cho, but warns the decision to take on the Hulk was unwise and considers it a curse.


Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Yeah, it’s Avengers Hulk.

Future Design Ideas
Professor Hulk, but we also need World Breaker Hulk.

FreshFoods
January 4th, 2022, 08:56 AM
Immortal Hulk is the only thing I've read of his, but it's one of my favorite runs ever.

Avengers Hulk, easy. World Breaker Hulk is probably my biggest want, Hulk-wise.

IAmBatman
January 4th, 2022, 11:10 AM
Oh, yeah, definitely want an Amadeus Cho as well ...

MrNobody
January 6th, 2022, 08:44 PM
Immortal Hulk. That’s it.

Word.

As for designs, gotta agree with the pack and say Avengers Hulk. Would love to see Devil/Immortal Hulk one day...hoping I can get him done pretty soon. :)

Splash
January 7th, 2022, 12:37 AM
GOTHAM CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT
https://theculturednerd.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/gcpd.jpg

Gotham's Finest
5th Precinct Beat Cops (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28615) (65)
Bad Cops (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36225) (55)
Commissioner Gordon (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32118) (90)
Detective Bullock (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58232) (100)
Detective Montoya (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58338) (110)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Batman: Year One
AND
- Gotham Central (Book One: In the Line of Duty OR Omnibus)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUoe3ZiIpsL-NPebpQlm5B56shTY46Vseq_PQWxG9nNQP-ysa1Y2bWBl2cOHEVdKrd_8Nv1xDPtYZ6WyEtjYif78PZFRIC1LyhcCRrHaPFMyfhcsZUDR wjUc6dILJgXRjMuT82sG19x7CqY_QPGC1E=w1067-h820-no?authuser=0

ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
~ Batman: The Animated Series
~ Gotham (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYBatman: Year One {1986} - Gotham Central {2003-06}

Arch-vile
January 7th, 2022, 12:41 AM
Gotham Central is fantastic and my #1 GCPD story.

For iconic/must reads, I'd vote for Year One again. Little else uses Jim as a character so effectively. The Gotham TV show also does an excellent job.

The Beat Cops are my favorite design. It's a simple take that works well.

For future designs, a Captain Gordon or a GCPD Cruiser would be sweet.

Tornado
January 7th, 2022, 08:31 AM
Wow already hit all the big name characters so now we are on DC cops? That was fast.

Splash
January 7th, 2022, 12:04 PM
Lol I'm doing multiple design heroes and team/groups every other. Law faction was brought up in the discord and these were an easy grouping.

IAmBatman
January 7th, 2022, 01:10 PM
Cool idea! Batman: Year One I would say is the best intro, as it really establishes the Cops/Batman relationship well. Gotham Central was a fun book, though I didn't read all of it. I'll throw in Batman: The Animated Series as a great source of content on Bullock and Montoya in particular. Montoya was actually first created for the show (much like Harley Quinn) so it's a nice opportunity to see the genesis of the character and her relationship with Bullock.

I think Beat Cops are the most used, known, and played, but I think my favorite is Harvey Bullock for what he does to start to tie the faction together a bit more.

I'll echo that I'd love to see a Police Cruiser of some sort to beef cops up a bit more somehow.

Tornado
January 7th, 2022, 05:44 PM
Agreed.
A Police Cruiser VDO would be great.
That would be a great one for an Ally to tackle.
I bet it would fare well in the Public vote.

Splash
January 9th, 2022, 03:28 PM
Princess Diana of Themyscira aka Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) (Mainstream DC)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/cc/Wonder_Woman_Vol_5_4_Textless.jpg

Themysciras Greatest Champions
Star Sapphire (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57607) (330)
Wonder Woman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29567) (300)
Wonder Woman (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53414) (370)
Wonder Woman (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56245) (310)
Wonder Woman (Super Ally) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59848) (260)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia (The Hiketeia OR Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka Vol 1)
AND
- Wonder Woman by Gail Simone (The Circle OR Omnibus)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVnEbH9qULQk5s2t_zM8w4igC4CU_rA9r_sd9M4nj7TaWBLlMdxT3rrt7Qbk-LQ2bzw0TgW0DEU8eaMtSFEk5WRTkfR-T3xTwfm0fkE9xTmMOHv3viHs6oQq5XQ-HZbMYGDXh0hozV8mwzHRHOdy70=w1169-h893-no?authuser=0

ICONIC/MUST READS
3 Votes
~ Justice League/DCAU (TV series)

1 Vote
~ DCeased
~ Injustice: Gods Among Us
~ Kingdom Come
~ Wonder Woman (2017 film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe Hiketeia {2002} - Wonder Woman by Gail Simone {2008-10}

IAmBatman
January 9th, 2022, 05:03 PM
No real comic reading experience with Wonder Woman, so I look forward to getting recommendations!

Wonder Woman (300) might be my favorite unit, or at least top 5, so she takes it for me, even though I love Wonder Woman (JL) as well.

Biggest version of her missing is, I guess, gritty 90's Vigilante Wonder Woman.

Splash
January 9th, 2022, 05:16 PM
Remember it doesn't have to be a solo series, so if there are any JL runs or anything like that where she was a cool character folks can recommend those as well. : )

Arch-vile
January 9th, 2022, 05:39 PM
I also don't have much experience with comics Wonder Woman. But I think she's a great character in the Justice League / JL Unlimited animated series. She's a pretty interesting character in Injustice as well, acting as the Grima Wormtongue-like figure to encourage Superman to become a tyrant. Though she has little similarity to the heroic WW in that universe.

Tough to beat Wonder Woman (I) in C3G designs. I really love what WW (JL) does for the faction, though, so she's a close second.

For future designs, I'd love to see a JSA focused Wonder Woman.

Ronin
January 9th, 2022, 06:45 PM
I never liked Injustice Wonder Woman, since the take on the character is so wack. :lol:

But yeah, Wonder Woman is also a character that I always enjoy when she pops up, but I haven't read a ton of stuff really focused on her. Keep meaning to check more out and it always gets away from me.

I really dug The Hiketeia.

Splash
January 10th, 2022, 12:01 AM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I am also looking forward to seeing some Wonder Woman recs, as I haven’t delved into any of her solo series and am wondering the best place to start. I haven’t read much DC in general, compared to Marvel anyway, so she’s near the top of my to-read list.

Iconic/Must Reads:
~ DCeased
Wonder Woman is one of the main heroes who fights the Anti-Life Equation infected. When Superman catches it, she fuses some kryptonite into a magical Sword of Athena and uses it to try to take out undead Supes, but he ends up infecting her. We see her come back in DCeased: Unkillables as the most terrifying powerhouse of an Undead hero you could imagine.
~ Wonder Woman (2017 Film)
Maybe it was the low bar DC had set up beforehand, but the first new WW movie was amazing. Seeing the setup of Themyscira, Diana fighting in WWI, and some interesting villains (Dr. Poison) made for a great feature. As soon as I saw David Thewlis on-screen I knew he was gonna be Ares, so the ending was a bit predictable, but it’s still one of the top movies DC has ever done.
~ Kingdom Come
We see an Elseworlds militaristic Diana who basically leads the warring old school faction of heroes. It was an interesting take.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Wonder Woman (I)
Lasso, Bracelets, and warrior skills = awesome card.

Future Design Ideas
~ Anti-Life Wonder Woman and maybe one where you can use her lasso AND a warrior sword and shield combo, also maybe she could toss her tiara as an SA. Oh and we need Earth-Two Wondy along with Earth-Two Bats to get the classic trinity along with the Justice Society.

IAmBatman
January 10th, 2022, 05:39 PM
2017 Wonder Woman movie is one of my favorite superhero movies as well! That scene in the trenches is just iconic.

Tornado
January 10th, 2022, 05:52 PM
I wish they would have ended the movie after that battle and expanded the time on the island.

IAmBatman
January 10th, 2022, 05:55 PM
Hard to argue with that. The stuff that followed wasn't its best.

But I unironically love Wonder Woman 84 as fully embracing being an 80's movie, so I have weird taste anyway.

I just wish Wondy had a more iconic comics run.

Soundwarp SG-1
January 10th, 2022, 06:33 PM
Gail Simone's run in Wonder Woman is pretty good.

Splash
January 14th, 2022, 04:03 PM
Almost forgot to vote on GCPD, so heres mine before I tally up.

C3Gs Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Havent read anything where it feels like these characters take point, Gotham Central looks good, Ill have to check that one out. :)

Iconic/Must Reads:
~Gotham (TV series)
I really got into Gotham, a great interpretation of early villains and GCPD before the Bat-Family.
~Batman: The Animated Series
Introduced Renee Montoya and developed her, Bullock, and Gordon.


Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Detective Montoya, although Gordon was an early example of a fun to play support character and the Bad Cops are fun to play under a Crime Lord like Kingpin or somebody.

Future Design Ideas:
A Detective Allen design for Crispus Allen (pre-Spectre) would be cool.

Splash
January 14th, 2022, 05:00 PM
INHUMANS
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/marvels-inhumans.jpg

The Inhuman Royal Family
Black Bolt (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54118) (380)
Crystal (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53640) (225)
Gorgon (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53527) (270)
Karnak (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53728) (190)
Lockjaw (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48560) (155)
Medusa (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53423) (370)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Black Bolt by Saladin Ahmed (Vol 1: Hard Time OR Hardcover)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7118WWfI+0L.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The Coming of Galactus
- Inhumans (vol. 2) by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee
- Karnak by Warren Ellis (Karnak: The Flaw in All Things)
- The New Avengers: Illuminati
- War of Kings

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYFantastic Four Epic Collection: The Coming of Galactus {1964-66} - Inhumans {1998-99} - The New Avengers: Illuminati {2006-07} - War of Kings {2009} - Karnak {2015-17} - Black Bolt {2017-18}

Splash
January 14th, 2022, 05:21 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Don’t know much about them, so I’ll probably sit this one out for the most part.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The Coming of Galactus
The debut of the Inhumans (Fantastic Four vol. 1 #45). The original Fantastic Four run had a lot of iconic introductions (Black Panther, Silver Surfer, Namor's return), this one also has Medusa during her brief time in the Frightful Four before the Inhuman reveal. Plus, this is the lead-up and debut of Galactus, so a not-bad idea regardless.

War/Realm of Kings looked interesting, it’s by Abnett & Lanning so it's gotta be good right?


Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
It is kinda hard not to love Lockjaw.

Future Design Ideas:
I’ve always had a fondness for people with gills and/or scales, so Triton would be a great one to see.

MrNobody
January 14th, 2022, 05:43 PM
War of Kings is awesome, but kinda tied into the whole Abnett and Lanning cosmic era. Just read the whole era, I promise you'll enjoy it. :p The Illuminati stuff is also a great feature for Black Bolt, less so for the other Inhumans.

Maximus and Triton are definitely the missing pieces in the Inhuman puzzle.

Supergoblin64
January 14th, 2022, 06:30 PM
Inhumans by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee is pretty good. I also recommend Karnak by Warren Ellis and Black Bolt by Saladin Ahmed.

IAmBatman
January 14th, 2022, 07:18 PM
+1 to Maximus and Triton. That's all I can really add here, though.

Ronin
January 14th, 2022, 11:15 PM
Black Bolt by Saladin Ahmed is outstanding.

Splash
January 17th, 2022, 09:09 PM
Steve Rogers aka Captain America (Marvel Earth-616)
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-80cf689f9f80d718f36a2e7db31a437b

Sentinels of Liberty
Captain America (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35281) (240)
Captain America (Capwolf) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55614) (280)
Captain America (Hasbro) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9712) (220)
Captain America (New Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58817) (220)
Commander Rogers (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40254) (260)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- The Marvels Project
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81RqYemUncL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Avengers Epic Collection: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
- Captain America Golden Age Masterworks Vol 1 OR Omnibus Vol 1
- Civil War

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYCaptain America Golden Age Masterworks Vol 1 {1940-41} - Avengers Epic Collection: Earth's Mightiest Heroes {1963-65} - Civil War {2006-07} - The Marvels Project {2009-10}

Splash
January 24th, 2022, 12:41 AM
C3Gs Comics Recommendations
Another one I haven't read a ton of, but here are a few I remember some of.

Best Introduction:
- The Marvels Project
I read this one a long time ago and don't remember much other than it was really good. A great intro and revitalization of the old WWII era Marvel heroes.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Civil War
Steve is the main Anti-Registration leader all through Marvel's first Civil War event, how it ends was a pretty big deal at the time
- Avengers Epic Collection: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Avengers #120)
Cap's second debut, thawing out of the ice and leading the Avengers
- Captain America Golden Age Masterworks Vol 1 (Captain America Comics #1-4)
Cap's debut (literally punching Hitler in the face), from the 40s so probably super dated, but still neat to check out

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Captain America
Classic Steve is the defacto Avengers leader

Future Design Ideas
Oh definitely WWII Cap, I forgot I actually have a design for him too.
Also Captain Steve on Motorcycle.

Splash
January 24th, 2022, 12:44 AM
Been a bit behind here, I'll give folks another day if anyone wants to vote for Steve Rogers stuff and get the next poll up tomorrow :)

IAmBatman
January 24th, 2022, 10:28 AM
Bucky Cap is the only one I can think of that I'd want. I'm a big fan of both Avengers Caps.

Arch-vile
January 24th, 2022, 10:44 AM
Avengers Cap 1 is a top-5 C3G design for me. Perfect theme and a big metagame presence.

I think a triangle shield WW2 Cap would be cool.

MrNobody
January 24th, 2022, 12:02 PM
I tried searching Heroscape on TikTok a while back just to see what came up. It's obviously a skewed sample, but based on that it seems like Avengers Cap is in the top 10 designs played, not just for C3G but for all of Heroscape.

IAmBatman
January 24th, 2022, 05:11 PM
I tried searching Heroscape on TikTok a while back just to see what came up. It's obviously a skewed sample, but based on that it seems like Avengers Cap is in the top 10 designs played, not just for C3G but for all of Heroscape.

This is a thing I need to go do now ...

Splash
January 24th, 2022, 05:55 PM
Inhuman results are in, up next is the Doom Patrol!

Splash
January 24th, 2022, 05:55 PM
DOOM PATROL
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/0/01/Doom_Patrol_002.jpg

Group Therapy Session
Elasti-Girl (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55710) (235)
Negative Man (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56065) (40)
Negative Spirit (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56241) (135)
Robotman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55824) (175)
The Chief (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56250) (165)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Doom Patrol by Grant Morrison (Book One)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-1061732.jpg?1611524657

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Doom Patrol vol. 1 (The Silver Age Vol 1 OR Omnibus)

~ Doom Patrol (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYDoom Patrol: The Silver Age Vol. 1 {1963-65} - Doom Patrol: Book One {1989-90}

MrNobody
January 25th, 2022, 05:14 PM
The original run (starting in My Greatest Adventure before that book just got retitled to Doom Patrol) is one of the most bizarre and off-beat books of the Silver Age and the Morrison iteration the book is rightfully hailed as a classic.

There's a ton of missing Patrollers, but Mento and Crazy Jane are the ones I'm hoping to relatively soon. They feel like big missing pieces, and would give the team some much-needed army-building options.

Splash
January 26th, 2022, 08:59 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
- Doom Patrol by Grant Morrison: Book One
I've just started the renowned reinterpretation of the team, so I’ve only read the first issue or two so far, but I’m already into it.
Just found out about Rachel Pollack's run, I'll have to dive right into that too. : )

Iconic/Must Reads:
~ Doom Patrol (TV series)
I love this show.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Negative Man/Negative Spirit combo, but they're all fantastic.

Future Design Ideas:
Need Crazy Jane, but also Mento, Danny, and Dorothy.

Splash
January 26th, 2022, 09:17 PM
Gar Logan aka Beast Boy/Changeling (Mainstream DC)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_small/12/124259/8237662-147efa82-9ae4-4aad-b19f-cc6e458f030c.jpeg

Salad-Heads
Beast Boy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=41858) (60)
Beast Boy (Bear) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40598) (20)
Beast Boy (Cheetah) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40229) (20)
Beast Boy (Dolphin) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55118) (30)
Beast Boy (Pterodactyl) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=41303) (40)
Beast Boy (T-Rex) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=41119) (60)
Changeling (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54693) (190)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ Teen Titans (TV series)
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/519izku0KAL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Teen Titans vol. 3 (Vol 3: Beast Boys and Girls OR By Geoff Johns Book Two)

~ Titans (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYTeen Titans by Geoff Johns Book Two {2000, 2004}

MrNobody
January 26th, 2022, 09:51 PM
As much as I love the original experiment of Beast Boy in concept, Changeling is the one I find myself pulling from the stack far more often these days. Doesn’t hurt that he came out in the release that was essentially themed around “Dear lord, please give this MrNobody fellow what he wants so he stops bothering us.” :p

IAmBatman
January 27th, 2022, 10:07 AM
Yeah, Beast Boy was fun to try to put into practice, but I'd ultimately consider it a mildly failed experiment. Changeling is just a better way to do it.

Not sure of any classic Beast Boy stories in the comics. I've enjoyed him where he's popped up in the Titans comics I've read, but nothing super stands out.

I guess a tiger form would be cool for him since I have the mini.

FreshFoods
January 27th, 2022, 10:55 AM
Shoutout to the Teen Titan cartoon. Not sure how it holds up, but I really enjoyed it as a kid.

Changeling is my favorite Beast Boy in C3G, no doubt. would be down to see more animal forms for Beast Boy though.

Supergoblin64
January 27th, 2022, 12:12 PM
Teen Titans Vol. 3: Beast Boys and Girls from Geoff Johns' Titans run has my favorite Beast Boy stories. It contains a fun Beast Boy miniseries where Gar deals with some stuff from his past and meets his slacker cousin. Just a nice, light read that also features Nightwing. The volume also contains an arc where Gar fights someone with similar powers.

Arch-vile
January 27th, 2022, 12:43 PM
Changeling is my favorite design. I’m not a big fan of using Beast Boy with the various forms, but I enjoy using a single form (like Cheetah) as filler in Titans armies.

I’ve read some Titans comics, but none really had a standout Beast Boy to me. He definitely has a good presence in Teen Titans (Tv show) though.

IAmBatman
January 27th, 2022, 04:41 PM
Beast Boy filler can be fun, yeah. I think I've done that with T-Rex and Pteradactyl the most.

The HBO Titans show is a good one if y'all haven't checked it out.

Splash
January 27th, 2022, 10:18 PM
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Ive read a good amount of the original New Teen Titans run and Gar just didnt stick out to me much. Other than that I dont think Ive read anything else with him in it, Id love to check out a more recent Titans series where hes a focus.

Iconic/Must Reads:
~ Teen Titans (TV series)
The 2000s cartoon was my favorite thing DC had to offer for a while and I definitely have some nostalgia tied to it. Beast Boy shines in the show.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Changeling is just better functionally all around and hits all the right cues, but Beast Boy lets me actually turn him into all his animal forms, so I have to go with that one, despite the downsides.

Future Design Ideas
- A new Beast Boy (II) that makes it worth drafting all the beast forms with him. Ive been working on a design actually.

IAmBatman
January 28th, 2022, 01:58 AM
Would definitely love to see your take on Beast Boy (II).

Splash
January 28th, 2022, 10:47 PM
NEW WARRIORS
https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2018/01/3206227-initiative02814.jpg

Remember Stamford.
Firestar (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=46993) (120)
Night Thrasher (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57777) (170)
Speedball (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36980) (150)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- New Warriors vol. 1 (Classic Volume 1 OR Classic Omnibus Vol 1
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51pNr2RwmLL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Civil War

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYNew Warriors Classic Volume 1 {1989-90} - Civil War {2006-07}

Tornado
January 28th, 2022, 10:51 PM
:popcorn:

IAmBatman
January 29th, 2022, 10:51 AM
Literally didn't know this team existed. Closest I have is knowing Firestar from Spiderman and his Amazing Friends. :-P

Ericth74
January 29th, 2022, 11:16 AM
Easy to miss as there has been a bunch of different line ups.

MrNobody
January 29th, 2022, 12:04 PM
New Warriors are a classic, guys! :p

I unironically love this team, but Id struggle to name a single defining storyline. Vance Astros trial and anything dealing with Night Thrasher/Kord is usually a hit. Basically Id rec all of vol. 1, for better or for worse.

The two obvious ones missing are Vance Astrovik and Namorita.

Splash
January 29th, 2022, 12:45 PM
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Ill echo Nobody here and say I cant think of any defining runs or anything and I also havent read much, but the characters just seem fun.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- New Warriors (vol. 1) Classic: Volume 1
I read just a bit awhile ago and dont remember much, but its the introduction to the team and the most classic iteration.
- Civil War
The New Warriors became infamously known in-universe as the team that caused the Stamford Incident when they went after Nitro, which had a massive impact on the superhuman community, kicking off the superhuman Civil War. This also took a heavy toll on Speedball who became Penance, as well as former New Warriors at Camp Hammond.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Night Thrasher, although microwaving and bouncing around people is fun too. Saving NW Nova for the Nova post.

Future Design Ideas:
Justice, Namorita, and Darkhawk as well if he counts. Also Rage and Turbo since I have the figures.

IAmBatman
January 29th, 2022, 12:54 PM
Civil War was a good read.

Splash
January 30th, 2022, 03:36 PM
Tony Stark aka Iron Man (Marvel Earth-616)
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d7b4427a22907fc83ef711237a3ce690-lq

The Hall of Armor
Iron Man (Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55092) (270)
Iron Man (Hasbro) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9715) (240)
Iron Man (Hulkbuster) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37073) (360)
Iron Man (Mark I) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33997) (70)
Iron Man (Mark II) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36470) (150)
Iron Man (Mark III) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36743) (220)
Iron Man (Mark IV) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36904) (250)
Iron Man (Mark V) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37280) (280)
Iron Man (Stealth Suit) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37052) (270)
Iron Man (Thorbuster) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48493) (440)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Civil War
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-3329025.jpg?1618736461

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- 60s debut/Tales of Suspense (Iron Man Epic Collection: The Golden Avenger)

~ Iron Man (2008 film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYIron Man Epic Collection: The Golden Avenger {196365} - Civil War {2006-07}

Tornado
January 30th, 2022, 03:44 PM
:popcorn:

MrNobody
January 30th, 2022, 04:30 PM
One final thought - I’d actually love to do the cancelled 2020 New Warriors as an April Fools thing one day, if they’re not too controversial.

Splash
February 4th, 2022, 08:23 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I’m not the biggest on Iron Man, so I’m not sure of anything in particular to put here.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Iron Man Epic Collection: The Golden Avenger (Tales of Suspense)
Here you get his origin and he runs right through the first few MKs of his armor, so seeing those is a highlight. I remember I read once that Stan Lee basically tried to make the most unlikable character (pro-war womanizing billionaire) a hit as like a personal challenge to himself and the result is kind of interesting. A lot of it is very gung ho, Cold War era stuff fighting a rotating roster of characters and men in suits from various governments the U.S. didn’t like at the time, so it's kind of repetitive there.
- Civil War
Stark leads the Pro-Registration forces here and plays a big role in the story.
~ Iron Man (2008 film)
Let’s be honest, when most people think of Iron Man these days, they’re thinking of MCU Tony. This movie was a big deal and brought his character from third stringer relevance to one of Marvel’s most popular heroes.
Also, Demon In A Bottle is supposed to be a classic storyline, but I haven’t read that one.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Mark IV is probably the main one I use, although V is a nice tie and any buster can be a good time. Shoutout to the early suit, they can be really fun in a themed army or just in general.

Future Design Ideas:
Kid Arachnid’s Tony Stark (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=2479399&postcount=24251) is one I’m excited to see, will definitely be replacing my V.

Splash
February 4th, 2022, 09:06 PM
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/legion-bendis-preview.jpg

Legionnaires of the 30th/31st Centuries
Bouncing Boy (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=45671) (170)
Chameleon Boy (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49284) (190)
Colossal Boy (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49414) (175)
Cosmic Boy (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=39416) (260)
Karate Kid (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=44363) (230)
Matter-Eater Lad (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42276) (60)
Phantom Girl (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40023) (180)
Saturn Girl (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37850) (220)
Science Police (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35151) (85)
Shadow Lass (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55493) (240)
Timber Wolf (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36975) (260)
Triplicate Girl (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49246) (190)
Ultra Boy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57519) (370)
Wildfire (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49354) (280)
XS (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57833) (150)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Legion of Super-Heroes: The Great Darkness Saga
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-6050324.jpg?1514165761

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- The Legion by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning (Vol 2 OR Legion Lost)
- Justice League of America vol. 1 #148-149 (Crisis on Multiple Earths Vol 4)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYJustice League of America (vol. 1) #148-149 {1977} - The Great Darkness Saga {1982-83} - Legion Lost {2000-01}

Splash
February 4th, 2022, 09:08 PM
There's still some time to vote on Tony Stark.

Omitting anyone with a VII, let me know if I missed any residents of the future.

MrNobody
February 5th, 2022, 11:13 AM
The Great Darkness Saga is considered to be the Legion's "greatest" story, it's just a bona fide classic. (The villain of the piece isn't really a spoiler these days, but I'll say that it's one of his greatest showings as well.) For beginners, I'd also strongly suggest Legion Lost. (The original Abnett and Lanning run, not the N52 one.) It's a tight 12-issue run that's mostly self-contained, and it features a smaller cast of characters than your typical Legion book so you get to spend a good amount of time with all of them.

IAmBatman
February 5th, 2022, 11:14 AM
I like the one where they crossover with the JSA.

MrNobody
February 5th, 2022, 11:18 AM
the one where they crossover with the JSA.

That's a really solid episode of Friends, yeah.

IAmBatman
February 5th, 2022, 11:19 AM
the one where they crossover with the JSA.

That's a really solid episode of Friends, yeah.

Not much diversity, though.

japes
February 5th, 2022, 08:18 PM
The Great Darkness Saga is considered to be the Legion's "greatest" story, it's just a bona fide classic. (The villain of the piece isn't really a spoiler these days, but I'll say that it's one of his greatest showings as well.) For beginners, I'd also strongly suggest Legion Lost. (The original Abnett and Lanning run, not the N52 one.) It's a tight 12-issue run that's mostly self-contained, and it features a smaller cast of characters than your typical Legion book so you get to spend a good amount of time with all of them.

well times since we were recently talking of them and I was going to ask you what I should read.

Splash
February 8th, 2022, 12:28 AM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
Only really know the general idea on them, but I’d love a good intro read.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Doomsday Clock
I thought Saturn Girl had a cool part to play, trying to save the unstable future of the universe.

Other than that they’ve been in a few cartoons. I think my favorite Legionnaire is Brainiac 5. I like his characterization of trying to atone for what Brainiac has done and all his gadgets and smarts.


Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Of the single designs, definitely very happy having Matter-Eater Lad in-game.

Future Design Ideas:
I guess I don’t really know any.

Splash
February 8th, 2022, 12:40 AM
Dick Grayson aka Nightwing (Mainstream DC)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/DickGrayson.jpg

The Original Boy Wonder
Batman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48529) (170)
Nightwing (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48159) (200)
Nightwing (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55803) (200)
Robin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37117) (100)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Batman: Year Three (Batman: The Caped Crusader Vol 2)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-5011921.jpg?1596196725

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Batman: A Death in the Family
- Batman: Prodigal
- Nightwing Vol 1: Bludhaven
- The New Teen Titans (The New Teen Titans Vol 1)
- The Judas Contract (The New Teen Titans Vol 7)

~ Iron Man (2008 film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe New Teen Titans {1980-81} - The Judas Contract {1984} - A Death in the Family {198889} - Batman: Year Three {1989} - Prodigal {1994-95} - Bludhaven {1995-97}

Tornado
February 8th, 2022, 06:16 AM
:popcorn:

IAmBatman
February 8th, 2022, 07:36 AM
As much as the corny, gee-whiz, holy Bat farts, Batman version of Dick as Robin can be fun and worth a read, for a modern reader, I'd probably go like this:

Best Introduction: Batman: Year Three. Might be worth actually reading A Death in the Family first, since Year Three references that, though. Year Three both gives a retelling of Dick's backstory as Robin and sees him struggling in the modern day with a fairly new identity of Nightwing. It does a nice job of setting the table for where the modern, post-Robin version of the character is at, as well as giving you enough of his history to gain an understanding of the character as Robin.

Iconic/Must Reads

Batman: Prodigal - nothing like seeing Dick finally suit up as Batman for a stint to get the full evolution of the character.

Nightwing Vol 1: Bludhaven - the best of Nightwing solo stuff, IMO, and you get the best version of Blockbuster (basically as a Kingpin rip off) as well. He really feels like Daredevil in this run, which I think works well with the character.

Honorable Mention: "Titans" the live action version on HBO handles the character really well.

Best Design of the Bunch: I like them all, but Nightwing (I) is the engine that drives the Titans faction and that's one of my favorite factions, so he gets the honor.

Future Ideas: I'd love to see a Titans leader Robin version for him.

Splash
February 11th, 2022, 07:54 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I haven’t really read much with him in it, so can’t say anything for sure here.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- The New Teen Titans (The New Teen Titans Vol 1)
The beginning of the Teen Titans most familiar rendition, although not the first time they were a team, let alone a team with Robin.
- The Judas Contract (The New Teen Titans Vol 7)
His first appearance as Nightwing!

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Titans leader Nightwing definitely takes it.

Future Design Ideas:
None I can think of.

Splash
February 11th, 2022, 07:55 PM
POWER PACK
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/6a/FF_Vol_1_15_Textless.jpg

The Ever Enthusiastic Power Pack
Energizer (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36645) (50)
Lightspeed (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36481) (40)
Mass Master (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35782) (80)
Zero-G (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36923) (80)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Future Foundation
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-9836636.jpg?1592190805

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Avengers Academy (The Complete Collection Vol 3)
- Runaways vol. 2 (The Complete Collection Vol 2)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYRunaways {2005-06} - Avengers Academy {2011-12} - Future Foundation {2019}

Splash
February 11th, 2022, 07:59 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
I have read nothing with them in it.

Iconic/Must Reads:
Future Foundation looks interesting.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Hmm, maybe Lightspeed.

Future Design Ideas:
?

Ronin
February 11th, 2022, 08:07 PM
Yeah I've really only seen these characters pop up in other books. Alex in Future Foundation. Julie in Avengers Academy & Runaways.

Splash
February 15th, 2022, 01:54 PM
Norrin Radd aka The Silver Surfer (Marvel Earth-616)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a3/Annihilation_Silver_Surfer_Vol_1_2_Textless.jpg

Surfing with the Alien
Silver Surfer (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37549) (400)
Silver Surfer (Hasbro) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=9720) (320)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The Coming of Galactus
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-4801385.jpg?1610950766

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Nova By Abnett & Lanning: The Complete Collection Vol 1

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYFantastic Four {1964-66} - Nova {2006-08}

Splash
February 20th, 2022, 04:11 PM
For comics, I'd recommend his debut in Fantastic Four and I liked him in Nova's Abnett/Lanning solo series.

I've also heard good things about Silver Surfer: Black.


400 point Power Cosmic Surfer just looks like fun, but sadly I haven't played yet.

Gladiator Surfer will be fun with the building Gladiator faction.

Splash
February 20th, 2022, 04:29 PM
ARKHAM ASYLUM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/Arkham-Asylum.jpg/220px-Arkham-Asylum.jpg

A Long Stay at Arkham
Aaron Cash (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=47494) (75)
Arkham Inmates (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37269) (60)
Hugo Strange (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=39219) (155)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Batman: Prelude to Knightfall
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-8765074.jpg?1596199871

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
~ Batman: Arkham (game series)

Splash
February 20th, 2022, 05:25 PM
Nightwing and Power Pack results in.

Hopefully one more for Surfer?

Arkham recs can be anything showcasing Arkham in general, so go wild.

IAmBatman
February 20th, 2022, 06:00 PM
The Arkham breakout story directly preceding Knightfall is probably my favorite Arkham story.

We need an Arkham Asylum map.

Definitely try out 400 point Silver Surfer!

Tornado
February 20th, 2022, 06:15 PM
I know I came up with one or two for that scenario.

IAmBatman
February 20th, 2022, 07:53 PM
I know I came up with one or two for that scenario.

For sure. Need to run something through the Map dept. and make it official!

Tornado
February 20th, 2022, 08:16 PM
That was for the scenario though. It would need to be tweaked for normal play.

Splash
February 24th, 2022, 10:49 PM
I haven't played a ton, but the Arkham games are pretty fun.


Arkham Inmates are cool in armies with Black Mask II army.

Calendar Man would be a cool figure doing his clues from behind bars thing.
Definitely agree a map is needed.

Splash
February 24th, 2022, 11:05 PM
Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl/Oracle (Mainstream DC)
https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Barbara-Gordon-Featured-Image.jpg

The First Batgirl and Bird of Prey
Batgirl (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=50559) (130)
Oracle (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36883) (110)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Birds of Prey: Murder and Mystery
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-3276119.jpg?1580355687

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Batgirl vol. 4 (Vol 1: The Darkest Reflection or Batgirl Returns Omnibus)
- Batman: No Man's Land

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYNo Man's Land {1999-00} - Birds of Prey {2003-04} - Batgirl {2011-12}

IAmBatman
February 25th, 2022, 08:33 AM
Calendar Man would be a cool figure doing his clues from behind bars thing.

Next up for me after what I have going now. Test Alfred if you want to see him sooner. :-D

IAmBatman
February 25th, 2022, 08:38 AM
Oracle is my favorite iteration of the character both in comics and the game. She pioneered the "person in the chair" concept in a way that really modernized superhero team ups.

In terms of comics, I'm a fan of the Gail Simone Era of "Birds of Prey" (#56 to #108). I also really dig how Oracle works with the Bat Family too, especially during Noman's Land.

I very much dislike the post Brightest Day reboot of "Birds of Prey," since the art choices are terrible (every female character has the same body, they just swap hair color).

I'd love to see a Commissioner Barbara to work with Batman Beyond.

Splash
March 6th, 2022, 11:00 AM
I really appreciate her comeback as Oracle, but I haven't read any yet, so I'll definitely have to check out some of the recs here.
For my recommendation, I've been reading Gail Simone's New 52 Batgirl series and am loving it. Batgirl Vol 1: The Darkest Reflection or Batgirl Returns Omnibus
She's also really cool in live-action in season 3 of Titans.

It's close, but she's my favorite Batgirl so I'll have to go with Batgirl.

Any of her turns as Commissioner Gordon would be sweet.

Splash
March 6th, 2022, 11:32 AM
FANTASTIC FOUR
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7btDscUW5B3yRBLgWHaaAa.jpg

Marvel’s First Family
Human Torch (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30550) (225)
Mister Fantastic (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30547) (235)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Fantastic Four by Jonathan Hickman (The Complete Collection Vol 1 or Omnibus)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-9909235.jpg?1633416685

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- The beginning/Fantastic Four vol. 1 (Fantastic Four Epic Collection: The World's Greatest Comic Magazine)
- Marvel: Heroes & Legends #1

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe World's Greatest Comic Magazine {1961-63} - Fantastic Four by Jonathan Hickman {2009-10}

Splash
March 6th, 2022, 11:34 AM
Susan Richards aka Invisible Woman (Marvel Earth-616)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Invisible_Woman.png

The Unseen Power of the Invisible Woman
Invisible Woman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30548) (215)
Malice (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=41449) (300)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- X-Men: First Class - Mutant Mayhem
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1532999471l/3218862._SY475_.jpg

Splash
March 6th, 2022, 11:35 AM
Ben Grimm aka The Thing (Marvel Earth-616)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a4/Fantastic_Four_Vol_6_1_The_Thing_Variant_Textless.jpg

The Ever-Lovin' Blue-Eyed Thing
The Thing (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=30549) (325)
The Thing (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56606) (340)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Marvel Two-in-One Epic Collection: Cry Monster (includes Marvel Team-Up #47)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-7693126.jpg?1610972202

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Hulk & Thing: Hard Knocks

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYCry Monster {1976} - Hard Knocks {2004}

Splash
March 6th, 2022, 11:39 AM
Behold, the Fantastic Four!
So the first one is for the overall team, alternate FF teams/other universes, and perhaps Reed or Johnny stuff. The other two are focusing on character highlights. And of course comment on your favorite version and future design ideas for everything. :)

IAmBatman
March 6th, 2022, 11:52 AM
The 1000 point team is the go-to starting army and playtesting army around here, so that's one I'd recommend anyone play if they haven't yet.

I think there's somewhat of a push after the awesome Thing (II) to get more generalist versions of each of them. I'm totally into the idea of a Reed with an Ultimate Nullifier equipment glyph as well.

I'm looking forward to comic recommendations with these folks as my reading experience with them is very limited.

Tornado
March 6th, 2022, 12:23 PM
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.LE0iHF_Bsib_j4jBQdSx-gHaLH&pid=Api&P=0&w=400&h=600

MrNobody
March 7th, 2022, 05:21 PM
Hickman's F4/Future Foundation run is probably the defining modern run for the team, and the best starting point for the 'Hickmanverse' saga in Marvel that culminates in Secret Wars 2015.

Splash
March 13th, 2022, 11:22 PM
For FF, I of course have to recommend the issue that started it all, Fantastic Four #1, as well as the next few issues that cemented the superhero team into the history of comic book fandom and the public consciousness as a whole. I remember reading once that it was essentially Stan Lee's last ditch effort in the comics biz at the time, and his wife Joan told him basically write a comic that you would read and tell the story you wanna tell or something along those lines. Anyways, without it we wouldn't have almost any of the Marvel heroes we know and love.


For Sue, I read an issue of X-Men First Class once when I was younger, where she was basically mentoring a young Jean Grey for a short time and she basically explains how much she had to hold back, because the extent of her powers could put people in comas and such.

I'll also shoutout John Byrne's Fantastic Four, giving Sue some development and having her change her super-name to the Invisible Woman in issue #284. I don't recall having read it though so I won't be bolding it.


For Ben, I read a neat flashback of him once talking and about and reflecting on his first scuffle with the Hulk in FF #12, looking it up I think it was Hulk & Thing: Hard Knocks. His rivalry with the Hulk is one of the most fun things for me.

edit: I also forgot to mention Marvel: Heroes & Legends #1. This issue was a flashback/rehash of Marvel's first big crossover event, Reed and Sue's wedding. It's about all the villains crashing the party and the secret story on how the heroes won and the FF had their wedding.

Splash
March 13th, 2022, 11:25 PM
For the matchups I'll probably have to go Human Torch, Invisible Woman, and Thing I, but they are all awesome designs. Reed is one of the best leaders in the game, Malice shows the deadlier side of Susan's powers, and Thing II is a must for Fighter armies.

I'd love an Illuminati Reed that works with/is a Visionary, a stronger Invisible Woman (II), and a wrestler Thing. Also Franklin and Valeria are probably overdue, but I'm not familiar with them.

Splash
March 13th, 2022, 11:55 PM
Barry Allen aka Flash (Mainstream DC)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/74/Flash_0006.jpg

The Fastest Man Alive
Blue Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52597) (300)
Flash (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29584) (250)
Flash (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59006) (270)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ The Flash (2014 TV series)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/The_Flash_season_1.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Flashpoint
- The Flash vol. 4 (The Flash: Starting Line OR Vol 1 Move Forward OR The Flash by Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato Omnibus)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYFlashpoint {2011} - The Flash: Starting Line {2011-12}

Splash
March 13th, 2022, 11:59 PM
Wally West aka Flash (Mainstream DC)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/12/124259/8205183-the_flash_vol_1_768_textless_variant.jpg

Wielder of the Speed Force
Flash (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42703) (280)
Flash (Flash Family) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58702) (300)
Kid Flash (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=38887) (110)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- The Flash: Chain Lightning (The Flash by Mark Waid: Book Seven)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91YJoaKPqIL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- The Flash: Born to Run (The Flash by Mark Waid: Book One)
- The Flash: Crossfire (The Flash By Geoff Johns: Book Two OR The Flash by Geoff Johns Omnibus: Volume One)
- The Flash: Dead Heat (The Flash by Mark Waid: Book Five)
- The Flash: Terminal Velocity (The Flash by Mark Waid: Book Four)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe Flash by Mark Waid {1990-00} - The Flash By Geoff Johns {2000-05}

Arch-vile
March 14th, 2022, 12:17 AM
Now you're speaking my language. Wally is my favorite Flash, but Barry is fantastic as well. My recommendations for Barry:

Flashpoint - Even if you've never read Flash, this is a good starting point. It introduces an alternate dystopian universe, and the mystery is figuring out how this happened and why Barry is the only one who notices something's off. The animated movie is great too.

The entire New 52 / Rebirth run of Flash - N52 reset the whole DCU, and with it, Barry became the sole Flash of the universe. This was disliked initially, but it's a great new take on the character and the Rogues. Rebirth started introducing a lot of fun characters and bringing in old favorites from the Flash Family. What I especially love is that the Rogues (Captain Cold and co.) are followed almost as much as Barry, giving you two distinct looks on the city. Picking up the first collection of N52 Flash is another great way to start reading Barry's Flash.

The Flash TV Series - The CW shows vary widely in their quality from season to season, but season 1 of this show is amazing throughout. Lots of twists and turns, with one of the greatest villains in Reverse-Flash. The side characters are particularly good here - notably Vibe and Killer Frost.

As for designs, my favorite Flash card is Barry 1. It was an early card and nailed the character from the get-go. Seeing that 12 move was a "wow" moment for me back when I first found C3G. Easily a top 3 C3G design to me.

Arch-vile
March 14th, 2022, 12:39 AM
Wally is the definitive Flash, to me. His era developed so many things iconic to the character. The entire Waid and Johns run is worth reading (events build on each other really well, especially because the Flash Family and the Rogues have so many characters you follow). Picking up the first Waid run and going from there is the best starting point. But if I have to limit to a few recommendations:

Crossfire - This features Blacksmith usurping control of the Rogues from Captain Cold, and leading them to conquer the city. It's a very different take on the Rogues due to the new leadership.

Dead Heat - Savitar and his cult arrive, requiring the entire Flash Family to team up to stop him.

Chain Lightning - Another Flash Family team up, this time with lots of time travel. Cobalt Blue is the main villain here.

For designs, my favorite is Flash Family Wally of course. The Flash Family are pretty fragile, but their speed lets them play pretty uniquely and they can pull off some fun tricks.

IAmBatman
March 14th, 2022, 09:49 AM
I'll second Chain Lightning as a story run, but I'll go as far as to say you should start with the Terminal Velocity story and follow the entire Mark Waid run from there through Chain Lightning to get the best of Wally West (my favorite Flash).

All sorts of great things in that run like the Speed Force, Impulse, Max Mercury, Savitar, Blacksmith's Rogues, etc.

I think one reason the CW Flash show does so well (and I'd recommend the first season, but can't really recommend it after) is that it at least initially steals the relationship dynamic that Wally has with Linda Park and retrofits it for Barry and Iris.

Favorite card is tough. I love both the OG Flashes (Barry and Wally), have a new appreciation for the awesomeness of the JL version of Barry, but also love Family Wally and Team Flash Barry. So I'll go with Iris West for here ability to let you play multiple Flashes together well. :-D

Splash
March 20th, 2022, 10:05 PM
Ever since catching bits of JL Unlimited as a kid, Wally has been my favorite, but I'm interested in some Barry stories too. Ezra Miller is a kinda fun Barry.

In terms of comics I've caught a bit of Wally in the og New Teen Titans, but nothing fantastic. I just finished Flash by Mark Waid Book One and am hoping to get to the Max Mercury/Johnny Quick/Speed Force stuff. Book One is still mostly Waid getting going I think, so I'm not sure I'd recommend the beginning in particular, but I enjoyed it well enough.
edit: Actually the Born to Run/Year One and ties back to Iris and Barry was an interesting enough start to the run so I will recommend it.

For designs I'll go JL Barry by a hair over the og, but it's a coin toss.
Wally I like the first 280pt one the best, but have yet to run the Flash Family one.

Not familiar enough to know any more ways they could be designed, that blue Wally looks interesting.

Splash
March 20th, 2022, 10:06 PM
JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA
https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/the-untold-truth-of-the-justice-society-of-america/intro.jpg

The Infinite All-Stars
Atom (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52420) (170)
Cyclone (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57659) (170)
Damage (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57665) (250)
Doctor Fate (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56543) (270)
Doctor Mid-Nite (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49800) (150)
Flash (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52386) (220)
Green Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=50706) (280)
Hawkman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52552) (220)
Hourman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=51616) (190)
Johnny Thunder (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55894) (20)
Magog (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58339) (330)
Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40928) (160)
Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52410) (150)
Obsidian (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=47362) (280)
Power Girl (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52599) (400)
S.T.R.I.P.E. (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59706) (180)
Sandman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52467) (80)
Spectre (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=47090) (650)
Stargirl (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52543) (150)
Starman (Jack Knight) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=50144) (170)
Starman (Ted Knight) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52273) (190)
Superman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52437) (370)
Thunderbolt (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55895) (330)
Wildcat (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=54959) (240)


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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Justice Society of America (Volume 3) by Geoff Johns (Justice Society of America Vol. 1: The Next Age)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51d2mlewLSL.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- JSA All-Stars (JSA All-Stars Vol. 1: Constellations)
- Justice League of America: The Lightning Saga (Justice League of America Vol. 2: The Lightning Saga)

1 Vote
- Early JSA/JLA crossovers (Crisis on Multiple Earths Book One: Crossing Over)
- JSA (JSA by Geoff Johns Book One)
- Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. (Stargirl by Geoff Johns)

~ DCeased
~ Kingdom Come

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYCrisis on Multiple Earths Book One: Crossing Over {1963-70} - JSA by Geoff Johns Book One {1999-00} - Stargirl by Geoff Johns {1999-00} - Justice Society of America Vol. 1: The Next Age {2006-07} - The Lightning Saga {2007} - JSA All-Stars Vol. 1: Constellations {2009-10}

Splash
March 20th, 2022, 10:24 PM
Haven't read any JSA stuff, always interesting to see what's recommended as the best.
I liked Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) in DCeased, so he's a character that I enjoy when he shows up. He kinda feels like DC's answer to Reed Richards, which is cool cause they don't have a ton of like top level geniuses like Marvel does.
Alan Scott made some appearances in Green Lantern Rebirth and Doomsday Clock, but nothing major I don't think.
Spectre and Sandman were definitely neat in Kingdom Come.

Sandman is a nifty 80pt figure with a noir feel, Holt is in a close second.

Aside from Earth Two Bats and Wondy, Atom Smasher is a character who shows up sometimes I feel like could use a card.

IAmBatman
March 20th, 2022, 10:51 PM
It's hard to recall specific stories and what not, but in general I recall liking the Geoff Johns run on JSA. I think the Lightning Saga might've been one of the main stories?

Would definitely love to see Atom Smasher! I'd also love to see a Golden Age Hawkgirl.

Soundwarp SG-1
March 20th, 2022, 11:00 PM
I've read most of the JSA / JSA All-Stars stuff from around like... 2009 to 2011ish or something? EDIT: 2007.

That was decent but not like super amazing. But I honestly never find like anything Superhero based super amazing.

I do really want to see Cyclone in a cartoon sometime though, she's my favorite JSA person.

My library had a collection of like 70s JSA stuff that I read once, but twas not very good.

IAmBatman
March 20th, 2022, 11:07 PM
Cyclone is pretty sweet. Love how her design turned out.

MrNobody
March 20th, 2022, 11:18 PM
The best part of the Lightning Saga is Karate Kid owning Batman. That’s funny. :p

I’ll say I really love how Damage turned out.

Arch-vile
March 20th, 2022, 11:35 PM
I don't really recall any specific JSA stories I've read. The JSA/JLA events are fun team-ups from the pre-crisis era. Stars and STRIPE is mainly centered around Stargirl, but it involves the JSA as well and is a fun read. JSA All Stars has some good stuff. I've read some of the All-Star Squadron from the 40s and that's not really worth going back to unless you really love the oldies.

For designs, I'd love a Steel (Commander, Citizen, whichever) and Helena Wayne. Stargirl is probably my favorite of the designs.

Supergoblin64
March 20th, 2022, 11:36 PM
I love Johns' JSA run, one of my favorites. Definitely would like to see Atom Smasher.

Splash
March 23rd, 2022, 08:03 PM
AGE OF APOCALYPSE
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/0/05/Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Universe_X-Men_-_Age_of_Apocalypse_2005_Vol_1_1_Textless.jpg

Mutants of the Rebellion
Blink (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42609) (145)
Colossus (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57213) (315)
Cyclops (AoA (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58357)) (170)
Iceman (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57382) (260)
Jean Grey (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57076) (240)
Magneto (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57418) (355)
Nightcrawler (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53563) (230)
Sabretooth (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56792) (270)
Shadowcat (AoA) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57275) (185)
Wild Child (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=48991) (160)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Phalanx Covenant (X-Men Origin of Generation X OR Generation X Epic Collection: Back to School)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-1287688.jpg?1572990847

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
~ Wolverine and the X-Men (TV series)
~ X-Men: The Animated Series (TV series)
~ X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse (video game)

IAmBatman
March 23rd, 2022, 09:17 PM
Got nothing on this one. AoA Iceman is pretty sick.

Is Juggernaut Charles Xavier from a different alternate timeline?

Soundwarp SG-1
March 23rd, 2022, 09:49 PM
Yes. Chuckernaut is from a What If? issue. Nothing to do with AoA. AoA diverges from the regular timeline when a dude from the future kills Chuck or something I think?

Chuckernaut's timeline diverges when he gets the gem and is trapped underground for years instead of Marko.

I think he might be the only What If? guy we currently have?

Splash
March 23rd, 2022, 10:01 PM
There's also Poison and Venom Raccoon. (I think one or two ones who became SPider-Verse later on as well debuted in What Ifs).

Soundwarp SG-1
March 23rd, 2022, 10:07 PM
Venom Rocket is from Venomverse IIRC

Poison is from one of those weird new-fangled tie-in What-If things.

So I guess technically he counts. But Soundwarp respects only proper 70s to early 90s ish What-If

Splash
March 23rd, 2022, 10:15 PM
Dang I coulda swore Rocket was.

Soundwarp SG-1
March 23rd, 2022, 10:23 PM
Spider-Girl was technically a What-If originally but like.. kinda a reductive take on her?

Like she started as a What-If but she wasn't really a what-if-ed version of a normal dude and she went on to have a very successful solo series.

Some of the other Spidey stuff probably is I think, I can't keep track of what Spiders we have.

Anyway, the point is I want more 70-80s weird What-If dudes. I will stop hijacking AoA time.

Which I think I've read a scattered few bit of but can't really remember and for some reason I associate it in my head with Jurassic Park? Why? I do not know.

Arch-vile
March 23rd, 2022, 11:57 PM
I haven't read any AOA, but Colossus is a standout design of those to me. With Steel Body and multiattacks, he is one tough cookie. Blink is also a cool design. She was one of the first characters I only recognized in a comic book movie (Days of Future Past) because I saw the C3G card first. :lol:

IAmBatman
March 24th, 2022, 07:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Blink makes an appearance on the 90's X-Men animated show, which along with the Wolverine and the X-Men show accounts for 70% of my X-Men knowledge.

Splash
March 25th, 2022, 05:14 PM
I also haven't read AoA, funnily enough I do remember reading the short appearance of the 616 Blink from the 90s during the time the Phalanx tried to take over everything. It was a long time ago but I think I remember liking her character in it, I think she sacrificed herself. I think Bishop was in it too and did some cool stuff, but I'm having a hard time remembering. (Looking it up the book was called X-Men: Origin of Generation X with the Phalanx Covenant storyline).

I also liked Blink in X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse. Although it was kind of its own thing, a lot of the alternate character skins for AoA were in that game too, Iceman's, Colossus's, and Sunfire's were very cool in particular.
Plus the intro was awesome:
https://youtu.be/PPIdSLZerP0

AoA Magneto is probably my favorite, but additional props to Shadowcat, Iceman, Colossus, and Blink.

AoA Sunfire would be cool to see, and oh yeah Dark Beast.

Splash
March 25th, 2022, 07:16 PM
T'Challa aka Black Panther (Marvel Earth-616)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/63/Black_Panther_Vol_8_1_Devil_Dog_Comics_and_Jolzar_Collectibles_Exclusi ve_Virgin_Variant.jpg

Claws of the Panther!
Black Panther (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=39972) (200)
Black Panther (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59649) (220)
Black Panther (Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59682) (210)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
Black Panther {vol. 4} (Black Panther: Who Is The Black Panther?)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- The Client/Black Panther {vol. 3} (Black Panther By Christopher Priest: The Complete Collection Vol 1 OR Omnibus)
- Panther’s Rage {Jungle Action vol. 1} (Black Panther Epic Collection: Panther's Rage)

~ Black Panther (film)
~ Captain America/Black Panther: Flags of Our Fathers (TP OR Black Panther by Reginald Hudlin: The Complete Collection Vol 3)
~ Captain America: Civil War (film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYPanther’s Rage/Jungle Action {1973-76} - The Client {1998-99} - Who Is The Black Panther? {2005} - Flags of Our Fathers {2010}

Arch-vile
March 25th, 2022, 07:23 PM
Haven't read any of his comics, but Black Panther was a standout in the Civil War movie. And his standalone movie was awesome. Excited to see the Wakanda faction develop - Shuri and Okoye will be great to see.

Splash
March 25th, 2022, 07:25 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations
Along with the X-Men and Daredevil, Black Panther has been one of my favorites since I was a kid. I remember my main team in Ultimate Alliance was probably Wolverine, Black Panther, Daredevil, and either Moon Knight or Ghost Rider. Similar to Daredevil, T’Challa almost never has a bad run and has had some fantastic solo series.

Best Introduction:
Black Panther {vol. 4}/(Black Panther: Who Is The Black Panther?)
There are plenty of reasons why I could suggest The Client or Panther’s Rage, which I include below, but when it comes down to THE best intro to the Black Panther, I have to pick this one. It’s just SO good. Starting off with all the imperialist attempts to conquer Wakanda and some of T’Challa’s backstory, then working into current day with the villain Klaw (who literally killed T’Challa’s father, T’Chaka) getting ready to invade Wakanda, this story is gripping and keeps you reading until the end.
Note: If you are a collector just go for the Complete Collection by Reginald Hudlin Volumes, but Who is the Black Panther is an excellent 6-issue trade for newbies.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- Panther’s Rage {Jungle Action vol. 1}/(Black Panther Epic Collection: Panther's Rage)
Considered one of the first graphic novels in terms of story, this was an excellent run, especially considering it came out in the early 70s. Probably the best thing for anyone wanting to read classic Black Panther. Basic highlights include T’Challa’s first encounter with Killmonger, wrestling a crocodile, and beating up the KKK. It even has some of Marvel’s old style maps and cross-sections with a map of Wakanda and I think one of the Royal Chamber.
- The Client/Black Panther {vol. 3}/(Black Panther By Christopher Priest: The Complete Collection Vol 1 OR Omnibus)
For a while, this was probably the definitive Panther run. Back when Marvel was doing Marvel Knights for cool takes on their grittier street-level heroes, Black Panther entered the shuffle as another cool mid-level character who got a refreshing solo series. Christopher Priest introduces us to King T’Challa through the point-of-view of Everett K. Ross (a completely unprepared U.S. government employee whose job it is to follow T’Challa around). Needless to say, Ross comes to find T’Challa is a badass.
~ Captain America/Black Panther: Flags of Our Fathers (TP OR Black Panther by Reginald Hudlin: The Complete Collection Vol 3)
So this one is kind of cheating, it’s actually about the first meeting of T’Challa’s grandfather, the Black Panther King Azzuri, and Captain America (Steve Rogers) in WWII. After a scuffle, they take down the invading Nazis led by Red Skull and Strucker.
- I read Ta-Nehisi Coates’s A Nation Under Our Feet and it just wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. I've read Between the World and Me, so I knew he would bring some real world seriousness/realism to it, which I thought would be good, but T’Challa came off less of a hero than I liked, more of a tyrant fighting against democracy than a benevolent ruler. I guess I just envisioned Wakanda as more egalitarian, despite having a monarchy, and instead we see them facing the problems a lot of nations/societies destabilized by colonization usually face. Ayo and Aneka were cool though, I hope they get designed at some point, cause their minis are cool as well.
- I do look forward to reading his Rise of the Black Panther though, I love stuff where it goes back to a character’s origins and adds more good story and I also love mantle’s being passed down, so anything on the Black Panthers of the past will also be really cool to see more of.
- I also liked T'Challa, leader of New Wakanda in Marvel Zombies, it’s pretty epic that he was the one to make it through the zombie apocalypse and keep humanity together, for a time anyway.
- Also Civil War is one of the best movies Marvel has made with tons of amazing moments and Chadwick Boseman practically stole the screen as T'Challa.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
II. Avengers is really fun as well and I’ve played the most games with classic, but II was fun to test and I love the strategic Panther who plans.

Future Design Ideas:
This could probably just be a catchall for all the Wakandan and Wakandan-adjacent characters since we don’t have any besides T’Challa yet.
It’s tough to choose one. I might go with Black Panther (Azzuri), but I’d like to see Shuri, T’Chaka, Okoye, the Dora Milaje, M'Baku, Killmonger, Ayo and Aneka, White Wolf, the Hatut Zeraze, there’s a lot.
In Coates's run there were some cool powers too, like the neat tracking ability, but I can't remember what it was called. So there's room for another T'Challa design as well, maybe a clear leadership one for when we have more Wakandans.

Splash
March 25th, 2022, 07:28 PM
We don't have any other Wakandans yet, so go ahead and talk about anything Wakanda in addition to all things Black Panther!

Splash
April 1st, 2022, 10:46 PM
WILDSTORM UNIVERSE
https://lacovacha.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/WildStor-Universe.jpeg

WildC.A.T.s, Stormwatch, and more!
Apollo (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55749) (420)
Midnighter (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55556) (280)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Midnighter and Apollo
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Arch-vile
April 2nd, 2022, 02:14 AM
I'm only vaguely aware of these characters from the various team-up shows and comics. Apollo and Midnighter are a fun combo, and I'd love to see Grifter get a card eventually.

Tornado
April 2nd, 2022, 05:57 AM
Wow, an independent comic.

Splash
April 8th, 2022, 07:32 PM
I read some of Midnighter and Apollo which I liked. I had started Midnighter's 2006 run, but I don't think I got very far, since I've never been a huge fan of Garth Ennis's stuff.

Excited to see Grifter, hopefully soon!

Splash
April 8th, 2022, 07:49 PM
Hal Jordan aka Green Lantern (Mainstream DC)
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"In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight."
Blue Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56660) (370)
Green Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29548) (350)
Parallax (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57146) (950)
White Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56143) (580)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Sinestro Corps War (Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book Three)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- Blackest Night (TP OR Green Lantern By Geoff Johns Omnibus Vol. 2)
- Green Lantern: Rebirth (Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book One)
- Green Lantern: No Fear (Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book One)

1 Vote
- Green Lantern: Secret Origin (Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book Four)
- War of the Green Lanterns (TP OR Green Lantern By Geoff Johns Omnibus Vol. 3)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYRebirth {2004-05} - No Fear {2005} - Sinestro Corps War {2007} - Secret Origin {2008} - Blackest Night {2009-10} - War of the Green Lanterns {2011}

Splash
April 8th, 2022, 07:50 PM
John Stewart aka Green Lantern (Mainstream DC)
https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/83/36/XWlyun.jpg

"Let those who worship evil's might, beware my power. Green Lantern’s Light!"
Green Lantern (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=32101) (340)
Green Lantern (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58717) (280)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Green Lantern: Mosaic
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c5/Green_Lantern_Mosaic_Vol_1_1.jpg

ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Green Lantern: Rebirth (Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book One)

~ Justice League/Justice League Unlimited (TV series)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYMosaic {1992-93} - Rebirth {2004-05}

IAmBatman
April 8th, 2022, 08:04 PM
Best Introduction
Green Lantern Rebirth and Green Lantern No Fear are pretty much the start of the Geoff Johns run and for me, it's all about Johns (though I don't mind dipping back into some earlier Kyle Rayner v. Parallax stuff).

Iconic Must Reads
Sinestro Wars
Blackest Night
If you're feeling frisky, I also enjoyed a lot of Kyle Rayner's solo book (women in fridge meme) mostly due to the match up with Hal's Parallax. Probably better to just read Zero Hour to explore that, though.

Thematic Favorites
Hard to beat classic Hal Jordan GL, though there's a lot of stuff I love in this faction.

Future Ideas
The biggest thing I want to see is more constructs (of all colors). Though more Black Lanterns would be cool too.

Arch-vile
April 8th, 2022, 11:23 PM
Green Lantern is my next favorite comic behind Flash. The entire Geoff Johns & Peter Tomasi run (they go simultaneously, covering Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps, respectively) is worth reading - this covers Hal's return in Green Lantern Rebirth to the introduction of the Sinestro Corps, the other various Lantern corps, Blackest Night, and the followups to that. The art in this run is incredible, tons of pages showcase tens of lanterns duking it out. I was introduced to Green Lantern with the Sinestro Corps War, and I think that's a fine enough starting point. At any point you enter, you're going to have some unexplained questions, but I caught on easily enough. Green Lantern: Secret Origin is the modern retelling of Hal's origin if you just want the origin story.

Top 3 must reads for me are:
Sinestro Corps War - Iconic showdown between Hal & Sinestro and one of DC's best comics. Each of the major Lanterns gets something to do, and the Sinestro Corps has a ton of big powerful villains.
Blackest Night - This is what Johns' run built to over the course of years. It's a fun read that affects the entire DC universe. It's especially impactful if you've read the lead-in to Blackest Night that's introduced the rest of the rainbow Lantern corps.
War of the Green Lanterns - This takes place after Blackest Night, and involves all 4 Earth Lanterns using different colored rings to take on the entire mind-controlled Green Lantern Corps. It's definitely goofy, but this highlights the different rings which is one of the most fun concepts in the GL universe. Getting to see these characters struggle with mastering a different emotion is fun.

For wanted future designs, I want to see a Hal of each color just because that'd be funny, and like Bats said, more constructs of any color would be great. Green's got plenty of options but the others could use some constructs to help army building.

MrNobody
April 9th, 2022, 02:15 PM
I think I may be the only person on the planet who has read it, but Green Lantern: Mosaic is really great. Depending on how you view it, it's the story of John Stewart's self-actualization as a godlike being or his descent into madness. (Or possibly both.) Also features the death of Ch'p, which is so bizarre that it's hilarious.

Soundwarp SG-1
April 10th, 2022, 08:01 PM
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NPjs9oY2Atc/UijdIFlAdeI/AAAAAAAAA5g/ms8bqccParI/s1600/Scan+16.jpeg

Went out like a true hero that one did.

Splash
April 19th, 2022, 08:01 PM
Green Lantern: Rebirth - this was where I started and I thought it was great, it doesn't just reinvigorate Hal Jordan as Green Lantern, it also gives you a great picture of who John, Guy, and Kyle are as Lanterns, so I'd recommend it for both Hal and John.

For Hal:
- Green Lantern by Geoff Johns Book One has Rebirth, but also goes right into Green Lantern vol. 4 and includes Green Lantern: Secret Files & Origins 2005, as well as Green Lantern Corps Recharge (which I might've liked the best looking back).
- Sinestro Corps War
- I haven't read any yet, but I've heard the old Green Lantern/Green Arrow stuff is pretty good.

For John:
- Justice League/Justice League Unlimited is why John Stewart is my favorite Lantern.
- I haven't read his debut yet, I think it's also in the Lantern/Arrow series, really gotta check that out.
Unfortunately, I don't know a lot of comics where he's the main character and haven't read much of League either.

Theme Favorites: Classic GL for both of them, but JL John is definitely close and very fun to play.

Future:
Well (other than JL Hal), Hal was the Spectre I guess and John had an Indigo ring.

Splash
April 19th, 2022, 08:16 PM
ALPHA FLIGHT
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/84/Alpha_Flight_Vol_4_6_Textless.jpg

Operatives of Department H
Aurora (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=40281) (200)
Northstar (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49702) (200)
Puck (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52346) (230)
Sasquatch (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57041) (295)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Alpha Flight By John Byrne Omnibus (the original series & the X-Men issues)
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Splash
April 27th, 2022, 12:49 AM
Well I thought their debut in Claremont's X-Men was pretty neat, otherwise haven't read much besides that one time they all died in the 2000s.

I've been either out of town, sick, or both the past two weeks, so I've fallen behind on updating results. I should have them up in a few days when I have time.

Splash
April 27th, 2022, 12:56 AM
James Howlett aka Wolverine (Logan) (Marvel Earth-616)
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The Best There Is
Weapon X (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=47566) (230)
Wolverine (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29554) (280)
Wolverine (Avengers) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59122) (270)

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RESULTS
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ Wolverine and the X-Men (TV series)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
- Wolverine Epic Collection: Madripoor Nights (Wolverine vol. 2 #10)
- X-Men Epic Collection: It's Always Darkest Before the Dawn (The Incredible Hulk #181)

~ Old Man Logan
~ X2: X-Men United (film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe Incredible Hulk #181 {1974} - Wolverine vol. 2 #10 {1989}

IAmBatman
April 27th, 2022, 11:25 AM
The short-lived Wolverine and the X-Men animated series is probably my favorite Wolverine media. No comic recs (DC guy). Love all of our Wolverine designs. Probably slight preference towards the OG 280 point version.

japes
April 29th, 2022, 04:10 PM
The short-lived Wolverine and the X-Men animated series is probably my favorite Wolverine media. No comic recs (DC guy). Love all of our Wolverine designs. Probably slight preference towards the OG 280 point version.

Loved a lot about that show. Second season was set up so well too. would have been great to get it...

IAmBatman
April 29th, 2022, 04:46 PM
Apoca .... aww, no, nevermind. :-(

Splash
May 9th, 2022, 10:19 PM
C3G’s Comics Recommendations

Best Introduction:
~ X2: X-Men United (film)
My favorite superhero movie. I’m sure there are still some fans who think Hugh Jackman was the wrong choice for Wolvie, but he pretty much has come to embody the character since the first X-Men film came out. I’d go ahead and say watch every X-film with him in it, the Wolverine and Logan are also epic movies.

Iconic/Must Reads:
- The Incredible Hulk #181 (X-Men Epic Collection: It's Always Darkest Before the Dawn)
Wolverine’s first appearance. It’s fun and cheesy, I love it. It’s in a couple of trade collections, the one I put basically has all the random X-Men appearances between their 60s original series cancellation and 70s Uncanny.
- Wolverine vol. 2 #10 (collected in Wolverine Epic Collection: Madripoor Nights)
So when I was younger, I somehow got ahold of some action figures of Wolverine and Sabretooth, looking it up it was called Marvel Legends Face-Off. It came with one of the first Wolverine comics I read, probably the most notable fight between the two from a time before Wolverine was Wolverine. It really shows how messed up Sabretooth is and basically begins the tradition of how Sabretooth pays a visit to Wolverine every year on his birthday.
~ Old Man Logan
I love alternate history stories and post-apocalypse stories, so this may be my favorite Logan comic (even though it’s not the main James Howlett that we know). I’d recommend this to any fan of Wolverine.

Thematic Favorites

Best Design of the Bunch:
Wolverine (I) just has it all; the claws, the healing, and the rage. A spot on rendition of Wolvie in Heroscape.


Future Design Ideas:
Old Man Logan for sure

Splash
May 9th, 2022, 10:44 PM
Bruce Wayne aka The Batman (Mainstream DC)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/4/4b/Batman_Vol_3_86_Textless.jpg

Battle of the Bats!
Batman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28596) (200)
Batman (Bat-Family) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59876) (270)
Batman (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52465) (250)
Batman (Justice League - II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58800) (190)
Batman (Occult) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59901) (230)
Batman (Outsiders) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58715) (220)
Batman (Utility Belt) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=39778) (250)
Bruce Wayne (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56542) (100)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Batman: The Long Halloween
AND
- Batman: Year One
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ICONIC/MUST READS
2 Votes
- Batman: Knightfall

1 Vote
- Batman #147 (vol. 1)
- Batman: Dark Victory
- Batman: Legacy (& Batman: Contagion)
- Batman: No Mans Land
- Batman: The Court of Owls
- Batman: The Cult
- Batman: The Killing Joke
- Batman: The War of Jokes and Riddles
- Batman: Venom (Legends of the Dark Knight)
- Batman R.I.P.

~ Batman: Gotham By Gaslight
~ Batman: The Dark Knight Returns

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYBatman #147 {1962} - Year One {1987} - The Killing Joke {1988} - The Cult {1988} - Venom {1991} - Knightfall (The Broken Bat & Who Rules the Night) {1993} - Contagion {1996} - Legacy {1996} - The Long Halloween {1996-97} - No Mans Land {1999-00} - Dark Victory {1999-00} - Batman R.I.P. {2008} - The Court of Owls {2011-12} - The War of Jokes and Riddles {2017}

Batman #147 (Y5)
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Year One (Y1) - The Long Halloween (Y2-3) - Venom (Y3) - Dark Victory (Y4-5) - The Cult (Y11) - The Killing Joke (Y12, Y1 flashback) - Knightfall (The Broken Bat & Who Rules the Night) (Y14) - Contagion (Y15) - Legacy (Y15) - No Mans Land (Y16) - Batman R.I.P. (Y22)
Flashpoint/New 52
The Court of Owls (Y5)
Convergence/DC Rebirth
The War of Jokes and Riddles (Y2 flashback, Y16)

Y = years fighting crime

Note: You could just slot the other stuff in with the rest, DC's timeline is a mess anyway.

Princess Diana of Themyscira aka Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) (Mainstream DC)
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Themysciras Greatest Champions
Star Sapphire (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=57607) (330)
Wonder Woman (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29567) (300)
Wonder Woman (II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=53414) (370)
Wonder Woman (Justice League) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=56245) (310)
Wonder Woman (Super Ally) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=59848) (260)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
- Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia (The Hiketeia OR Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka Vol 1)
AND
- Wonder Woman by Gail Simone (The Circle OR Omnibus)
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ICONIC/MUST READS
1 Vote
~ DCeased
~ Injustice: Gods Among Us
~ Justice League/DCAU (TV series)
~ Kingdom Come
~ Wonder Woman (2017 film)

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYThe Hiketeia {2002} - Wonder Woman by Gail Simone {2008-10}

Kal-El of Krypton aka Superman (Clark Kent) (Mainstream DC)
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Men of Steel
Clark Kent (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58848) (120)
Superboy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=38242) (330)
Superman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=28589) (400)
Superman (II) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35993) (450)
Superman (Justice League) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52397) (440)
Superman (Justice League - II) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58748) (380)
Superman (Superman Family) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=58047) (430)

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RESULTS
C3Gs Comics Recommendations

BEST INTRODUCTION
~ All-Star Superman
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ICONIC/MUST READS
3 Votes
~ Red Son

2 Votes
- The Death & Return Of Superman Omnibus (includes Funeral for a Friend and Reign of the Supermen; also available in trades)

1 Vote
- The Man of Steel
- Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age (Trade or Omnibus)
- Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?

~ Injustice: Gods Among Us
~ Kingdom Come
~ Superman: The Animated Series/DCAU (TV series)
~ Superman Meets the Quik Bunny #1
~ Superman Smashes the Klan

HAPHAZARD CHRONOLOGY READING GUIDE FOR THE BRAVE AND FOOLHARDYLegion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age {1958-60s} - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? {1986} - The Man of Steel {1986} - The Death & Return Of Superman {1992-93}

Legion of Super-Heroes: The Silver Age - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
Crisis on Infinite Earths
The Man of Steel - The Death & Return Of Superman

The DC Trinity: Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman