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All Your Pie
June 2nd, 2019, 07:34 PM
Welcome to the central thread for Pod 1. This thread will maintain a list of members working on this pod as well as the units being designed.

The team for this Pod is:

All Your Pie (Pod Leader)
Scytale (Pod Leader)
Fakeraistlin
lefton4ya
Jaur0n
The Long eared bat
-open slot-

The units for this Pod are:

>Ukushia Pride (Blazing Firecats) (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=2289540#post2289540)
>Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55874)
>Gideon Jura, Combat Mage (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55873)
>Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55872)

Threads for units and links to those threads will be created soon, but first we need to fill those open spaces on the team. If you would like to participate in this Pod, please make a post in this thread stating your interest. As a Pod member, you will be able to co-design these units with the other members. Your input may decide the overall direction of these units, or you may simply wish to help refine the ideas of others. Either way, if you have an interest in how these units work out, please don't hesitate to speak up here!

Barring a particularly large outpouring of interest, Pod members will be assigned on a first come, first served basis. If you miss out on participating in this Pod, don't worry! AotV will be running multiple pods, and there are opportunities to participate with all of them.

In the meantime, anyone is free to brainstorm for these units in the pre-brainstorming thread here. (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=55784)

Fakeraistlin
June 3rd, 2019, 01:42 AM
Hi I'd be interested in helping (re)designing Chandra Nalaar and Ob.
AoTP was my gateway drug to HS and the past year been collecting multiple sets and units of HS.

lefton4ya
June 3rd, 2019, 02:35 PM
Fakeraistlin - Welcome to the community.

I'd be willing to help a bit. Major help would be playtesting after design is mostly shook down and I hope to help but no guarantee.

Can bring up in pre-brainstorming thread, but what are thoughts on co-designed units such as Chandra Nalaar being able to summon Blazing Firecats, or something else that requires more than one unit to be designed and tested in tandem?

Also what is the thoughts on having "Lava Resistant" on units such as Blazing Firecats or Chandra Nalaar? I know we want to make this set as self-contained as possible, but maybe if some powers such as an Special Attacks ended with "Figures with the Lava Resistant special power are not affected by [special power]" this helps to make the set contained slightly but does open up when you add VW terrain sets.

All Your Pie
June 3rd, 2019, 02:55 PM
Welcome to the site and project, Fakeraistlin! While this Pod is for the design of all four units in the OP, it's certainly alright to play favorites, heh. Just be aware that you may be asked to comment on or give feedback for designs on Gideon and the Firecats as well.

Can bring up in pre-brainstorming thread, but what are thoughts on co-designed units such as Chandra Nalaar being able to summon Blazing Firecats, or something else that requires more than one unit to be designed and tested in tandem?
Of the Project Leads who's opinion I know, most expect that Jace and the Illusions will end up like this but that we should avoid it for other units. For the next public vote, it might not be a bad idea to have those figures only count as a single unit for voting purposes if one relies heavily on the other.

Personally, the Iskra/Retchets precedent definitely gives us room to explore this space but I don't want to oversaturate it. If we make, say, the Firecats dependent on being summoned by Chandra, then we have to make a unit that can only be used in armies with one very specific figure. From an army construction standpoint, I don't find that particularly interesting, and wouldn't want to do it without a very good reason. But, it's not entirely my decision. I would be happy to change my mind in the face of a particularly compelling design direction.

Also what is the thoughts on having "Lava Resistant" on units such as Blazing Firecats or Chandra Nalaar? I know we want to make this set as self-contained as possible, but maybe if some powers such as an Special Attacks ended with "Figures with the Lava Resistant special power are not affected by [special power]" this helps to make the set contained slightly but does open up when you add VW terrain sets.
I think leaving Lava Resistant open for this set makes sense. I do think that a figure being fire-themed does not mean that they absolutely need Lava Resistant, but in some cases not having it would be very odd (for instance, the Firecats are literally made of fire, so they should probably have it for thematic reasons of nothing else.)

Astroking112
June 3rd, 2019, 03:16 PM
Since it is relevant to this pod, I wanted to share my thoughts from the Pre-Brainstorming Thread on Chandra summoning the Firecats and Lava Resistant in the set:

I'm not inherently against co-designed units like Iskra and the Retchets of Bogdan, but lets keep in mind that they are (technically) two designs out of hundreds. I'd need to see a very compelling design to support adding more than one such design in AotV (and the Mindmage Jace/Illusions seem like a much more compelling pair for such synergy to me). A double-spaced squad already seems like it has a lot of unique potential, so I'd personally rather not focus on that for the Firecats. I'm not a part of Pod 1, though, so it's ultimately up to the volunteers and the leaders.

Lava Resistant doesn't bother me if it is thematic and fitting. I don't think that we even need to add some Special Attack that does less damage against figures with Lava Resistant unless we want to. We've seen plenty of units have advantages on terrain that isn't in their set.

Each thing is ultimately up to the people in this pod, of course, so if there is an extremely compelling design for Chandra as a summoner rather than anything else proposed, I'd encourage the pod members to entertain the idea at the very least.

Fakeraistlin
June 4th, 2019, 12:16 AM
Thanks for the welcome lefton4ya and AllYourPie.

[QUOTE=All Your Pie;2286783]Welcome to the site and project, Fakeraistlin! While this Pod is for the design of all four units in the OP, it's certainly alright to play favorites, heh. Just be aware that you may be asked to comment on or give feedback for designs on Gideon and the Firecats as well.

AllYourPie no problem

IMHO Jace and his summoned or powered special ability illusions in the other POD make sense cause they look like Jace. I think we should avoid the summoning powers for units such as Chandra to differentiate from AoTP and make units such as Kurrock and Jace unique.


My thoughts on Chandra:


-I wouldn't make her automatically lava resistance (see below powers)

Health: ?

Attack:2
Defense:2
Move:7
Range:1

Two 'Normal Attack'
Share the Flame
-For Defense units less than 3, automatic skull plus what is rolled.
-All skulls count as an additional skull
-Lava resistant creatures make this only an attack of 2

At the beginning on her turn before Chandra moves and attacks she can choose the following three modes that will be active until her next turn:

Fire Shield:
- Enables Lava resistance
- +3 Defense
- Enables Fire Shield Counterstrike

Fire Blast:
Instead of moving and attacking Chandra can cast Fire Blast -
Two hex wide blast of fiery death
Range 4 Attack 5
-Lava resistant creatures are unaffected

Fire Control:
Instead of moving and attacking Chandra can attempt control of any one creature within LOS and with Lava Resistance or has a Fire Based special attack. This control is lost if Chandra's changes her attack mode. Success depends on size of creature. S (5 or higher), M ( 10 or higher), L+ (15)



Firecats...

-I think should be fire resistant.
-I think there is an opportunity to make them a Common squad (for those of us who have multiple sets) as well as an 'Elite Unique-more points +1 def +1 att or move'

Cats On Fire
-make them do a defend-able damage to all adjacent units on a roll of >10 but allow roll of defense dice to save.

Got some Ideas on Ob need more coffee...

Of course I haven't read all the FAQs yet :)

Jaur0n
June 4th, 2019, 01:24 PM
Hello. I have interest in working with this pod.

All Your Pie
June 4th, 2019, 08:19 PM
We'll be able to get into workshopping proper in a little while, but for now let's try and keep this thread limited to getting our Pod members figured out. lefton4ya has it right in directing preliminary brainstorming to the Pre-Brainstorming thread. Once we have a full pod I will set up individual threads to workshop each of the figures.

Speaking of, looks like we've got three of the five positions spoken for. Possibly only two, depending on lefton's availability. If need be extra slots can be filled with project leads, but there's still plenty of opportunity for the public to make their mark on this project.

The Long eared bat
June 5th, 2019, 08:13 AM
I would be interested in participating in this pod.

lefton4ya
June 5th, 2019, 01:26 PM
Wow, a couple of new people to the site just for this. Welcome The Long eared bat

I can definitely commit to contributing All Your Pie & Scytale. I guess that makes 5 then.

So how do we want to break up? Want to have 4 of us 7 people take lead on one each of the 4 units for this pod? By taking lead I mean create "[Pod 1] UNIT NAME (AotP Figure) - Design" thread and maintain OP, as well as facilitate discussions and any voting. If so I'd be willing to do one of the units. Or All Your Pie & Scytale should do all four - up to you guys.

Also we can use the Heroscape/AotP Discord server at https://discordapp.com/invite/2DWMNzF if we want to discuss there in addition to threads (I haven't logged in much recently, but could).

Scytale
June 5th, 2019, 01:30 PM
I would rather we didn't simply divide things up. We should be looking at the set as a whole, including thinking about any synergies we might want and making sure they don't overlap unnecessarily. At least initially.

Astroking112
June 5th, 2019, 02:23 PM
Also we can use the Heroscape/AotP Discord server at https://discordapp.com/invite/2DWMNzF if we want to discuss there in addition to threads (I haven't logged in much recently, but could).

I would ask that everyone please keep discussion around designs concentrated on these forums. There's nothing wrong with using Discord to make communication a little easier as a supplement to the forums, but we want to have the more easily accessible history and open discussion possible on Heroscapers.

This isn't meant to be disparaging to the Discord server; I think that it's a great resource and would encourage anyone who wants to use it to sign up. I just don't want it to negatively impact the discussion here on Heroscapers, or to feel necessary for anyone interested in AotV.

flameslayer93
June 5th, 2019, 07:11 PM
Still need one more person in on this, lefton4ya . You make 4. :p

Astroking112
June 20th, 2019, 01:13 AM
Just a quick reminder that we're still looking for another member for this pod! I don't want the site outage to stop the momentum here. :bump:

Pumpkin_King
June 20th, 2019, 01:22 AM
I can help.

NecroBlade
June 21st, 2019, 09:51 AM
Looking forward to seeing some [Pod 1] threads! Can we go ahead and get our volunteers thus far in the OP?

All Your Pie
June 21st, 2019, 01:47 PM
Apologies, been a bit busy from starting a new job. With PK signing on, it looks like our other volunteers are:

Fakeraistlin
lefton4ya
Jaur0n
The Long eared bat

I’ll get the OP here and the threads for Pod 1 set up later tonight.

All Your Pie
June 22nd, 2019, 02:32 AM
Pod 1 threads are up and linked in the OP! I'll get some thoughts on these units up tomorrow but for now discussion and brainstorming are open. Feel free to bring any relevant thoughts from this thread or the pre-brainstorming thread over to their respective unit.

flameslayer93
June 22nd, 2019, 07:52 AM
It’s great to see this going!

I’m not sure why some of the images show up sideways here on ‘scapers, but I reckon it has to do with phone orientation.

Edit: I’ll also update the Brainstorming thread later when I’ve got a chance to.

Pumpkin_King
June 22nd, 2019, 02:16 PM
It was pointed out that a PL shouldn't volunteer when other non-PL people could fill that slot, so I'll be rescinding my volunteering. I'm sure you guys can get started.

All Your Pie
June 25th, 2019, 08:32 PM
With P_K stepping out we still have one more spot open for anyone who wants to join as an official member of this Pod. If you're interested and want to have voting privileges in Pod 1 now's your chance to sign on.

Captain Stupendous
June 25th, 2019, 09:46 PM
With P_K stepping out we still have one more spot open for anyone who wants to join as an official member of this Pod. If you're interested and want to have voting privileges in Pod 1 now's your chance to sign on.

I'm interested in potentially joining, but I'm a little unsure as to what exactly are the responsibilities/expectations of Pod members in terms of playtesting and designing? Are there any specific responsibilities or expectations other than voting that distinguish official pod members from people who are simply following along and commenting in the thread from time to time? I'm not sure that I'd be able to come up with viable potential designs for all four units in this particular pod, although I could still commit to offering substantive feedback on others' ideas when I have the time.

The bigger challenge for me at least is playtesting. I love to theoryscape and design units in my head, but I'm not sure how much actual playtesting I would be able to commit to.

The last thing that's unclear to me is whether or not people are allowed to be members of more than one pod at a time. I'm really interested in joining whichever pod ends up developing Jace and the Illusions, so I wouldn't want my membership of this pod prevent me from joining Jace's pod in the event that it gets up and running before this one is finished.

I'm sorry if these questions were already answered in the main thread. I did read through it but I realize I might have missed something.

EDIT: Also, I'd be happy to move this post to the Welcome and FAQ thread if that would be more appropriate.

NecroBlade
June 25th, 2019, 11:26 PM
Are there any specific responsibilities or expectations other than voting that distinguish official pod members from people who are simply following along and commenting in the thread from time to time?
I've made a comment or two in some of the Pod 1 threads (I'm not a Pod 1 member), but after that I'm bowing out. It's up to the actual Pod members to decide their unit's fate. That includes final say in everything about the unit as well as voting.

I'm not sure that I'd be able to come up with viable potential designs for all four units in this particular pod, although I could still commit to offering substantive feedback on others' ideas when I have the time.
You're not alone in a Pod, so rest assured someone will get the ball rolling. Even if you just spitball the first thing that pops into your head, chances are the Pod can run with it in one direction or another. Feedback on the ideas that are presented is also a valuable tool.

The bigger challenge for me at least is playtesting. I love to theoryscape and design units in my head, but I'm not sure how much actual playtesting I would be able to commit to.
This is always the biggest challenge. Pod members are expected to run a few playtests on each of their units. Between everyone participating in AotV and any outside help we can get, I think we can manage enough tests to solidify the units. Every bit helps, though.

The last thing that's unclear to me is whether or not people are allowed to be members of more than one pod at a time. I'm really interested in joining whichever pod ends up developing Jace and the Illusions, so I wouldn't want my membership of this pod prevent me from joining Jace's pod in the event that it gets up and running before this one is finished.
One Pod at a time (with the exception of the 6 founding members being able to Lead a normal Pod while also working on our own special Pod). If there's a particular unit you want to work on, vote for it to be in a Pod then volunteer for that Pod.

Scytale
June 26th, 2019, 12:04 PM
I'm seeing a lot of ideas tossed around, and that's great, but we need to be on something of the same page. I have written a number of articles on custom creation for the HS Codex that have tons of information about what makes a good custom as well as things to avoid. I am going to make these required reading for all Pod members to get us all to the same starting point.

@All Your Pie (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=10063) @Fakeraistlin (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=48281) @lefton4ya (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=6527) @Jaur0n (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=47395) @The Long eared bat (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=48563)

The Good, The Bad, and the SoV-Worthy (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2604)
The Question of Balance (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2730)
Dripping with (Not Too Much!) Theme (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2759)
Simply Creative (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2790)
The Epitome of Play (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2826)
Make It Fun (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2697)
Design Fundamentals (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2894)
Where Rules Don't Bend (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2649)
(optional) Faction Creation (https://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2678)

flameslayer93
June 26th, 2019, 03:54 PM
It helps theyre all damn good articles! So yeah, read Scytale’s stuff.

All Your Pie
July 5th, 2019, 01:58 AM
I'd like to put some stuff down in the OPs of all these threads as basic outlines to move forward. I'll be getting up proposals for all those tonight, so Pod members feels free to let me know what you think of those proposals and, if I've presented options, which one you'd prefer. Focus more on powers and broad concepts of the unit than precise numbers for stats and powers, as tweaking for those can be saved until later.

All Your Pie
July 10th, 2019, 02:30 AM
Getting over a cold right now. I'll try and follow up on the current discussions with these units later this week.

lefton4ya
September 20th, 2019, 05:34 PM
Hey guys sorry I have been busy as of late. I will contribute to this project again starting next month. Don't want ti to die.

All Your Pie
February 23rd, 2020, 08:06 PM
The Ukushisa probably need a bit more ironing, but I'm hoping to get everything else in this pod into testing by the end of the week.