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warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 18th, 2010, 02:39 AM
I have placed everyone as a "yes" for attendance that has been active in the tournament discussions. Let me know if you need your status changed.

I've reserved the clubhouse for Oct 16th.
Location is 14960 Sherman Way, Olive Tree Apartments, Van Nuys, 91405.
Hours are 8AM - 11PM. I was told that if necessary we may enter before 8AM.
I have enough tables/chairs for 14 games, so if more than 28 contestants sign-up we'll need more equipment.
Anyone wanting to stay for more gaming after the tournament is more than welcome!
There is a small kitchen for food prep. and storage.
There is a boys' restroom and a girls' restroom.
If you want alcohol, I suggest you wait until after the tournament and bring your own supply.
There is a good deal of parking (do not use the church parking @ Kester intersection) but try and carpool because there is a lot of competition for those spots. I'll place my car in such a way to hold down 2 spots for when needed and my space inside the complex will be available to those with a lot of loading/unloading to do.

Confirmed Details:

Location: warriorneedsfoodbadly's clubhouse in Van Nuys (map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=14960+Sherman+Way,+Van+Nuys,+91405&sll=34.219512,-118.883777&sspn=0.006033,0.013754&ie=UTF8&ll=34.206656,-118.459268&spn=0.012067,0.027509&z=15&iwloc=r0))
Date: Saturday, 10/16
Time: 10:00 AM check-in, 11:00 AM begin play, tournament until 4:00 PM or 5:00 PM (no breaks for food, so bring lunch/snacks!), free play afterwards, rumors of beer and pizza later in the evening :smile:

Rules:
Format: swiss/simple (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=11233), either 5 matches or 6 if more than 32 people, timed matches (see below), partial scoring (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=21607), dual army play (see below)
Cost: $5 per contestant for prizes and rental of space
Armies: 520pts, second army is optional, 24 spaces
Marvel: not allowed
Glyphs: not allowed
Must Bring: Your army or armies (see Dual Army Play below); army cards; dice; order markers; wound markers; special markers if appropriate
Can Bring: Snacks/drinks; a contribution to the prize table



Dual Army Play

Bring two 520 point armies: a primary army and a backup army. There can be as much overlap between the two armies as you like--that is, there can be only one unit's difference, or no units in common whatsoever, or anywhere in between.

When you receive your tournament card, record both armies. Your primary army goes in the [probably red] section; your backup army goes in the [probably blue] section. Immediately before you begin play each match of the tournament, briefly switch cards with your opponent so that you can see what army you will be playing against, and your opponent can do the same.

For the first two matches of the tournament, use your primary army; the backup army is not used at this point. Before the third game, and before each game thereafter, everyone who has lost at least two games may choose to retire their primary army and begin using their backup army. If you choose to do this, draw a line through your primary army on your tournament card. Your decision to retire your primary army is irrevocable; once you do so, your primary army is not used and you must use your backup army exclusively.

Your choice to retire your primary army is made before assigments are given for the upcoming match. Thus, you will not know either the next map you will be playing on, nor who your opponent is (or what army they will be using). Your decision is based solely on whether you feel that your primary army has performed poorly enough that you would be better off switching to your backup army.

Switching armies is entirely optional, and therefore you do not have to bring a backup army if you do not wish to. You cannot switch to your backup army unless you have lost two games. Your decision to switch must be made during one of the windows allotted for switching and at no other time. Once you switch, you cannot switch back. If you honestly don't have enough figures to field a backup army, please contact the tournament organizers and we will make every effort to help you out.


Avoiding Duplication

Duplication of Opponent: For the first match, if your randomly chosen opponent is someone that you came to the tournament with (i.e. family member or friend), tell the tournament organizers and they will arrange a switch. In later matches, you may play either someone you came with or someone you've already played. That's just the way the tourney ball bounces.

Duplication of Map: In any match, if you and your opponent have played two other matches on that map (i.e., if you have played two games on it, or your opponent has played two games on it, or you have played one game on it and your opponent has played one game on it), notify the tournament organizers and they will arrange for you to play your match on a different map.


Mistakes/Questions During Play

If you make a mistake during play in your opponent's favor, such as forgetting to use your bonding, forgetting to add a bonus for height, special powers, etc, or just moving somewhere you didn't mean to, the mistake stands. Your opponent may allow you to correct the mistake (go ahead and take the bonding turn, roll the extra die, change your move, etc), but certainly is not obliged to. It's a tournament. Strict rules apply.

If you make a mistake during play in your own favor and your opponent catches you, you must immediately reverse the mistake (reroll all your dice if you rolled too many, return to your starting point if your move was illegal, etc). If your opponent doesn't catch the mistake until after s/he begins his/her next turn, the mistake stands.

All dice rolled shall be agitated or shaken in some manner, either in a dice tower, cup, or simply shaking them in your hand. Please, don't simply flop them out of your palm onto the table. Try to insure that all your dice are rolled on a flat surface. If any of your dice are "cocked" (i.e. not lying flat) or roll off the table, you must re-roll all of them. (Again, your opponent can show you mercy at his/her option.)

If your figure won't fit, it can't stop there. Period. No "it mostly fits," no "it's almost flat on the board," no "stinger denial is so cheesy." Sorry. (Again, your opponent can be nice to you.)

If you and your opponent disagree as to line of sight, just roll off with the d20's. No need to make a big deal about it.

If you or your opponent has a rules question or clarification that you can't settle between you, solicit the opinions of other players until you find 2 others in agreement, then take that as a final decision. To be clear: once you find 2 other people who agree with each other--regardless of whether or not they agree with you--stop asking. Feel free to start with the tournament organizers; many of them are very knowledgeable about the game, the official Hasbro FAQ, and the rules discussions at Heroscapers.com.


Time Limit Per Match

At the beginning of each match, the tournament organizers will announce the start of the match. After 45 minutes, the tournament organizers will call time. At this time, finish the current round that you and your opponent are playing. For instance, if you just started the round, play all 3 turns. If you are currently just finishing turn 3, that will be the end of your game.

After the match is complete, score the game according the partial scoring (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=21607) rules.


20/25

Yes
wnfb
S1R ARTOR1US
Xotli
Xn F M
GamerHusband
I Heroscaped Your Mom
Everybody Loves Raelin
CharosInCharge
WreakLoosE
hextr1p
robbdaman
RenMan
Maginating(via SimiGameKnights)
Detrimentalman
hivelord
Hivelord's Pop
Leotheanimal87 plus 1
Counterstrike
SgtHulka

Maybe
King of the Marro
SlikkRikk
boom
SSX
+1 SgtHulka

No
+1 w/Leotheanimal87
LoneHero2008


Donations

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/ (http://www.miniaturemarket.com/) $10 gift certificate X 20
http://www.wizards.com/ (http://www.wizards.com/http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html) (1)Wave 12 and (3) DnD Masters
http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html (http://www.wizards.com/http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html) $25 gift certificate

Maps
Volunteered:
hivelord: Road Rampage (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=240), Jagged Causeway (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2492), Invasion (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=796), and Fire Isles (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=241)
wnfb: Highways and Dieways (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=234), Arctic Divide (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=232) [normal snow/slippery ice], Hot Heights (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=238) and Sidewinder (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=793)
Detrimentalman: Mole Hills (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=231) and Embattled Fen (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=134)
S1R_ART0R1US: Fossil (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1555)
GamerHusband: Quasatch Playground (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1887)

Suggested:
BOV Maps (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=5725)
Suggested by S1R_ART0R1US (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1208524&postcount=7)
Maps by RoninValentina (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29132)
Pretty much every map you could possibly imagine (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=991729#post991729)

Prizes
hivelord (?), Xn F M (Plano boxes) and robbdaman (repaints), Xotli (booster), GamerHusband (booster), Hextr1p (4 boosters)

King of the Marro
September 18th, 2010, 03:01 AM
Maybe (probably yes I'm not missing another one of these)

If I do make it, (I won't know until a few days before hand) then I can volunteer to bring terrain. I had enough to make two fairly large maps at our last tourny.

EDIT: Going over my figures I believe I'm short on a squad of Rats. Did someone take home an extra squad last week?

S1R_ART0R1US
September 18th, 2010, 09:57 AM
Alright! Should we talk about maps?

GamerHusband
September 18th, 2010, 11:33 AM
I nominate Turret Rocks simply because it is my favorite BOV map. If needed my group can bring a map this year and also a prize. Last year we brought nothing and felt kind of bad not contributing.

Counterstrike
September 18th, 2010, 06:45 PM
you can add me to the yes list (Jared Lesueur)

hivelord
September 19th, 2010, 01:35 AM
For now you can add Hivelord's Pop to the attending list as well. Also I can probably 2 or three maps depending on what they are. Do we want BoV or are we not that picky?

Also, I can probably bring some form of prize.

S1R_ART0R1US
September 19th, 2010, 01:48 AM
As for maps, road and lava speeds up play (:thumbsup:), and I really want to throw out some BtfU maps in the lineup.
-Rift Valley (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1022937#post1022937) by Ronin_Valentina. 1 RotV, 1Vw, 1RttFF map used at GenCon
-Invasion (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=662506#post662506) by LongHeroscaper. 1SotM, 1FotA, 1 TJ used at GenCon
-Fossil (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1555) by Rychean. 1 SotM, 1 RttFF map used at GenCon
-Embattled Fen (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=134) by Gamebear. 1 SotM, 1 FotA map that is one of my favorites.
-Can't See the Jungle (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=951) by Dignan. 1 RotV, 2 TJ map that is BoV approved but manages to shake things up.
-Fire Isles (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=241) by yagyuninja. 1 RotV, 1 VW map that is compact and plays well and is another one of my favorites.

For a BtfU map I was thinking of Kaltengeist (hhttp://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1057160&postcount=176) by mad_wookiee or Jagged Causeway (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2492) by Dignan. Both use road and TT (I haven't played either, but my preference is Kaltengeist based on looks). As much as I'd like to use a BtfU map with VW, there just isn't that much terrain/LoS blockers in them (although I've certainly tried it out). I'm a fan of Turret Rock (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=220) as well for a simple 1 MS map., but as KotM pointed out below, this one is no good without glyphs.

Xotli
September 19th, 2010, 02:16 AM
I've got pretty standard responses:


SSX and I are both definite. (The smaller animal is not quite old enough to come. Next year for sure, at least to watch.)
I have a whiteboard and markers, if they're required.
I'm okay with any map, except Ember Canyon. Hate that map. :)
I'd really prefer not to have to bring a map, but I can be pressured into it if you absolutely need me to.
Still have the color laser, so can print out stickers/cards/start zones/whatever.
Want to point out early that the partial scoring list needs to be updated (again) for new units.
Updated the top post with some typo corrections and formatting tweaks.
Am very excited! :D


The only thing that's different for me this year is that I can't be doing as much organization as I did last year ... we have to move at some point and we're looking at houses, so I won't be able to be online as much as I was last year. But I'm definitely here and available for whatever's needed. If I seem unresponsive, somebody just shoot me an email or something. (I think sending me a PM sends me an email ... I'll double check that. Or several of you know my email addy, I think. Or my AIM screen name, FTM. Or any other method you prefer. :))


EDIT: Hey, look, I wasn't getting an email when I got a PM. Fixed.

SlikkRikk
September 19th, 2010, 05:04 AM
Hi guys - I'm a maybe as I have both a time conflict and a baby due a bit after that time. If both of those things work themselves out okay, I'll be there!

Leotheanimal87
September 19th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Count me in for sure, I shall be bringing two people with me to play is that ok? I might be able to bring a prize not sure yet I'll let you know for sure as the tourney gets closer. Also King of the Marro. I gave you your rats back at the tourney we had last week, so try to think what you did with them after if that helps.

LoneHero2008
September 19th, 2010, 10:05 AM
I'm still seeing if anyone will be willing to take me up there, I can't go if I don't get a ride due to lack of Driver's License. If you're willing to give me a ride then please send me a PM so I can give my address.

PS: Will any trading be taking place before/after the tournament? I want to know so I can bring my heroscape stuff and get some units I'm looking for.

King of the Marro
September 19th, 2010, 12:31 PM
Just an observation but I don't know if Turret Rocks and Elswin Plateau should be used if there's no glyphs. Both of those have elevation on one side of the map and a glyph on the other side to balance out. Without glyphs it's just a battle for height on half the map...

S1R_ART0R1US
September 19th, 2010, 02:42 PM
Just an observation but I don't know if Turret Rocks and Elswin Plateau should be used if there's no glyphs. Both of those have elevation on one side of the map and a glyph on the other side to balance out. Without glyphs it's just a battle for height on half the map...

A lot of maps are designed with glyphs in mind so really, using a map sans glyphs when it comes with them "unbalances" it. I can only really think of one map designed without glyphs right now.

robbdaman
September 19th, 2010, 04:38 PM
Just an observation but I don't know if Turret Rocks and Elswin Plateau should be used if there's no glyphs. Both of those have elevation on one side of the map and a glyph on the other side to balance out. Without glyphs it's just a battle for height on half the map...

A lot of maps are designed with glyphs in mind so really, using a map sans glyphs when it comes with them "unbalances" it. I can only really think of one map designed without glyphs right now.

I think he's just talking about using maps that are symmetrical as possible that way no player starts out disadvantaged. I think that is a perfectly fine idea. I like symmetry for my maps, that way when you win or lose its your game and some luck rather than terrain.

Remi
September 19th, 2010, 06:32 PM
The "no glyphs" makes this event quite tempting. It's an hour away though.... What prizes are in the mix right now?

Xn F M
September 19th, 2010, 07:33 PM
How does one of these bad boys sound for the prize table:

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/xnfm/box.jpg
*Figures not included ;)

These Plano stow-away tackle boxes are by far my favorite way to store Heroscape figures.

Depending on how the carpool situation works out, I may be able to bring a map or two. I'll be getting in touch with the rest of the SD guys over the next week or two and I'll get back to you on that.

Remi
September 19th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Is there going to be castles involved in the maps?

Xn F M
September 19th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Is there going to be castles involved in the maps?

Probably not. There will be maps that use the FotA set, but they probably won't use the towers. There are a few fairly balanced maps that use the FotA towers, but considering so many people consider them to be unfair/unbalanced, I don't think we'll see any of them.

LoneHero2008
September 19th, 2010, 09:13 PM
-_-; Still haven't been able to get a ride, this is proving to be a most difficult task.

robbdaman
September 19th, 2010, 09:34 PM
Sorry LoneHero, I am in a similar boat and wouldn't be able to attend if not for my buddy Hextr!p.

I'll be ponying up some repaints of figures as always. Trying to narrow it down on what I can provide. Not to toot my own horn but they are often very coveted prizes.

King of the Marro
September 19th, 2010, 10:06 PM
Just an observation but I don't know if Turret Rocks and Elswin Plateau should be used if there's no glyphs. Both of those have elevation on one side of the map and a glyph on the other side to balance out. Without glyphs it's just a battle for height on half the map...

A lot of maps are designed with glyphs in mind so really, using a map sans glyphs when it comes with them "unbalances" it. I can only really think of one map designed without glyphs right now.

I think he's just talking about using maps that are symmetrical as possible that way no player starts out disadvantaged. I think that is a perfectly fine idea. I like symmetry for my maps, that way when you win or lose its your game and some luck rather than terrain.

Yea the other maps have some type symmetry where each side of the map is the same just in reverse and normally it's glyph balancing glyph On those two it's height balancing glyph. With no glyph people will just rush for height.

hivelord
September 19th, 2010, 10:07 PM
Going over my figures I believe I'm short on a squad of Rats. Did someone take home an extra squad last week?

Seems Leo gave his rats back to me instead of to you. I'll have them for you at NHSD.

Not to toot my own horn but they are often very coveted prizes.
I love my war-painted Brave Arrow I won last year.



Also, I believe my collection should support me simultaneously building Road Rampage, Jagged Causeway, Invasion, and Fire Isles.

I will put something on the prize table but I'm not sure what yet.

King of the Marro
September 19th, 2010, 10:29 PM
[quote=King of the Marro;1207803]Going over my figures I believe I'm short on a squad of Rats. Did someone take home an extra squad last week?

Seems Leo gave his rats back to me instead of to you. I'll have them for you at NHSD.

Thank you and I almost forgot that I have your Marro Drones card. Sorry about that. I was in rush when I packed up and picked up all the Marro together.

hivelord
September 20th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Thank you and I almost forgot that I have your Marro Drones card. Sorry about that. I was in rush when I packed up and picked up all the Marro together.

No biggie. Thanks for reminding me though. I probably wouldn't have noticed since I have two cards for them.


Also, I just realized I'll be coming to this event having done 24 hours straight of Improv Comedy the day before. Should be an awesome weekend.

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 20th, 2010, 03:55 AM
Maybe glyphs could be used on the otherwise unbalanced maps. What glyphs? This could be a good compromise so that those wanting glyphs have a chance at a map with them. Would these be all asymmetrical maps?

boom
September 20th, 2010, 12:40 PM
Happily for me, but sadly for my 'scaping, my son is playing football and winter baseball concurrently. If he happens to have early games, I'll be good to show up at least for some free play/after play/beer/pizza. It doesn't look like I'll be able to make the tournament, but luckier things have happened. I'll keep you all posted. I've got to show to at least see Hive' stand-up routine and trip KotM for his school creaming my alma mater two weeks ago.

Leotheanimal87
September 20th, 2010, 08:18 PM
[quote=King of the Marro;1207803]Going over my figures I believe I'm short on a squad of Rats. Did someone take home an extra squad last week?

Seems Leo gave his rats back to me instead of to you. I'll have them for you at NHSD.

Thank you and I almost forgot that I have your Marro Drones card. Sorry about that. I was in rush when I packed up and picked up all the Marro together.

My bad, you were in such a rush to leave that we all got mixed up but I'm glad you found them King of the Marro.

King of the Marro
September 20th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Happily for me, but sadly for my 'scaping, my son is playing football and winter baseball concurrently. If he happens to have early games, I'll be good to show up at least for some free play/after play/beer/pizza. It doesn't look like I'll be able to make the tournament, but luckier things have happened. I'll keep you all posted. I've got to show to at least see Hive' stand-up routine and trip KotM for his school creaming my alma mater two weeks ago.

You went to Loyola? :D

Xn F M
September 21st, 2010, 06:34 PM
Maybe glyphs could be used on the otherwise unbalanced maps. What glyphs? This could be a good compromise so that those wanting glyphs have a chance at a map with them. Would these be all asymmetrical maps?

That really depends on what we want to do. I think most of the BoV maps that need glyphs for game balance have fixed glyphs so I think we should probably go with those where we can.

If we were to do a random pool, I'd recomend something like:

Defense +1
Move
Unique Attack
Initiative
Wound
Massive Curse (maybe)

LoneHero2008
September 21st, 2010, 10:18 PM
Sorry LoneHero, I am in a similar boat and wouldn't be able to attend if not for my buddy Hextr!p.

I'll be ponying up some repaints of figures as always. Trying to narrow it down on what I can provide. Not to toot my own horn but they are often very coveted prizes.

Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;

boom
September 22nd, 2010, 04:54 PM
Happily for me, but sadly for my 'scaping, my son is playing football and winter baseball concurrently. If he happens to have early games, I'll be good to show up at least for some free play/after play/beer/pizza. It doesn't look like I'll be able to make the tournament, but luckier things have happened. I'll keep you all posted. I've got to show to at least see Hive' stand-up routine and trip KotM for his school creaming my alma mater two weeks ago.

You went to Loyola? :D

Yeah, back when we were good in football.:(


Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;


I'm sure most folks would be "willing," but none that I know of live anywhere near San Jacinto. Is there anyway you could get to someone's home? That would save them on the drive going away from the Valley to get you.

hivelord
September 22nd, 2010, 05:18 PM
Just posting to say I'm excited for this and to show some repaints that will probably hit the prize table at the event. I apologize for sub-awesome photo quality. I'm still getting used to the macro setting. Haha.

First some repainted Krav Maga repainted in an Isamu-ish shade of red-black. The camera wasn't too kind on them but they look pretty sweet in person.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_1004.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_1007.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_1006.jpg

I'm proud of this one. Painting a mustache on a Heroscape mini is tricky but oh so rewarding. I think he looks a bit like Gomez Addams like this. :D

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_1005.jpg

Finally, I thought the Wyvern needed a little sprucing up so, highlighted feathers, yellow eyes, stinger that matches the other bone protrusions, and a bit of blood around the mouth and talons were in order.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_0998.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/dyllmyster/IMG_1001.jpg

Congrats to whoever wins them.

Leotheanimal87
September 23rd, 2010, 01:18 AM
Awesome repaints Hivelord!

Xotli
September 23rd, 2010, 03:45 AM
I'll be ponying up some repaints of figures as always. Trying to narrow it down on what I can provide. Not to toot my own horn but they are often very coveted prizes.

Indeed! SSX and I got 3 of your repaints last year and we can attest that they're top shelf.

Happily for me, but sadly for my 'scaping, my son is playing football and winter baseball concurrently. If he happens to have early games, I'll be good to show up at least for some free play/after play/beer/pizza. It doesn't look like I'll be able to make the tournament, but luckier things have happened. I'll keep you all posted.

Well, I hope you can make it, even if it's just to say "hi." :)

Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;

You've still got a little time. Hopefully someone will be able to hook you up. Personally, I'm about the same distance away you are, in exactly the opposite direction. So I'm not much use. But have faith.

Oh, and I should have added:

I probably have an extra booster I can throw on the prize table.

LoneHero2008
September 23rd, 2010, 02:24 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;


I'm sure most folks would be "willing," but none that I know of live anywhere near San Jacinto. Is there anyway you could get to someone's home? That would save them on the drive going away from the Valley to get you.

No car, let alone driver's license, and little to no money. >_<;

robbdaman
September 23rd, 2010, 06:59 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;


I'm sure most folks would be "willing," but none that I know of live anywhere near San Jacinto. Is there anyway you could get to someone's home? That would save them on the drive going away from the Valley to get you.

No car, let alone driver's license, and little to no money. >_<;

You could get there or closer using buses and trains but you'd have to leave the day before and probably go home the day after. You're probably a good 50 miles from the closest person I can see that is going at the moment. :?

LoneHero2008
September 23rd, 2010, 09:02 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to get frustrated because I really want to go but I can't go if no one is willing to give me a ride. -_-;


I'm sure most folks would be "willing," but none that I know of live anywhere near San Jacinto. Is there anyway you could get to someone's home? That would save them on the drive going away from the Valley to get you.

No car, let alone driver's license, and little to no money. >_<;

You could get there or closer using buses and trains but you'd have to leave the day before and probably go home the day after. You're probably a good 50 miles from the closest person I can see that is going at the moment. :?

Incase you didn't notice XD I can barely afford the $5 entry fee.

Xotli
September 24th, 2010, 01:17 PM
SSX has informed me that he'd like to be considered a "maybe". He says he's definitely coming, but that he may not participate in the tourney. :shrug:

Are we straight on everything at this point? Let me know if you guys need me to bring anything.

Detrimentalman
September 24th, 2010, 02:52 PM
I'll be doing a map or two as needed.

Leotheanimal87
September 24th, 2010, 06:39 PM
One of my two guy's is a maybe at this point. But I am for sure bringing someone else with me

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 24th, 2010, 10:31 PM
I've come across discussion of this topic before but don't recall it happening to me in a tournament so I figured I best throw it out there and get some feedback so no one is surprised come tournament time.
I believe that the definition of being on one's army precludes that figure from being harmed by other members of that figure's army. If you have one figure damage another figure, that other figure must be from a different army than yours. This does not rule out your harming of your figures by themselves, i.e. falling, stepping in lava, etc.

hivelord
September 24th, 2010, 11:38 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack. This was brought up most thoroughly in discussion of the Deathreavers and scatter. Since you can attack your own figures an errata was required to not allow a scatter when a rat attacks a teammate.

SCATTER: After a Deathreaver you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Deathreavers you control up to 4 spaces each. (Hasbro FAQ)

The bold portion implies that you may attack your own figures.

Hope this helps.

Leotheanimal87
September 25th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack. This was brought up most thoroughly in discussion of the Deathreavers and scatter. Since you can attack your own figures an errata was required to not allow a scatter when a rat attacks a teammate.

SCATTER: After a Deathreaver you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Deathreavers you control up to 4 spaces each. (Hasbro FAQ)The bold portion implies that you may attack your own figures.

Hope this helps.


Thanks for the heads up guys. I just want to know, is there any special tournament rules I should know about? Detrimentalman was telling me in the event I went to that there was this rule that if a character is flying, it has to look forward or something. Any other rules like that? It will be my first time playing in serious tournament so I don't want to look like a noob lol

robbdaman
September 25th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the heads up guys. I just want to know, is there any special tournament rules I should know about? Detrimentalman was telling me in the event I went to that there was this rule that if a character is flying, it has to look forward or something. Any other rules like that? It will be my first time playing in serious tournament so I don't want to look like a noob lol

That's silly. What if the figure is designed so that it can't look where it is flying? We don't make up stupid rules, just stick to normal and reasonable ones for the most part.

Leotheanimal87
September 25th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the heads up guys. I just want to know, is there any special tournament rules I should know about? Detrimentalman was telling me in the event I went to that there was this rule that if a character is flying, it has to look forward or something. Any other rules like that? It will be my first time playing in serious tournament so I don't want to look like a noob lol

That's silly. What if the figure is designed so that it can't look where it is flying? We don't make up stupid rules, just stick to normal and reasonable ones for the most part.


Lol ok I learned a lot from the last event I went to. So I'll stick with what I know. If anything comes up I'll ask.

Xn F M
September 25th, 2010, 06:38 PM
I've come across discussion of this topic before but don't recall it happening to me in a tournament so I figured I best throw it out there and get some feedback so no one is surprised come tournament time.

I believe that the definition of being on one's army precludes that figure from being harmed by other members of that figure's army. If you have one figure damage another figure, that other figure must be from a different army than yours. This does not rule out your harming of your figures by themselves, i.e. falling, stepping in lava, etc.

You are allowed to attack your own figures. There are very few situations where it's beneficial to do so (typically they involve shotgun blasts), but it is permissible within the rules.

If it weren't, the Deathreavers wouldn't have needed to be errata'd, and Heirloom's force orb wouldn't require that you "choose an oppoent's figure to attack."

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 25th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Thank you for your feedback on the attacking of your own. I remain unconvinced that the wording of character cards to not attack your own is somehow proof that you generally are allowed to do so.
Does anyone have a link they can share that explicitly shows that Hasbro is okay with armies turning on themselves? It just doesn't make any sense that you could go all traitor and not have any repercussions.

Xotli
September 25th, 2010, 08:01 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack.

Or healing your vampires, or extending a chained attack (e.g. Arcane Bolt). But I believe the rule is also that, when you attack one of your own figures, it is required that you roll all the defense dice it can. No saying "well, this guys wants to make the sacrifice, so he doesn't defend himself." ISTR it's in the FAQ. (Which we should probably have a copy of at the tourney AFA that goes. P'raps I'll print one out and bring it.)

Xn F M
September 25th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack.

Or healing your vampires, or extending a chained attack (e.g. Arcane Bolt). But I believe the rule is also that, when you attack one of your own figures, it is required that you roll all the defense dice it can. No saying "well, this guys wants to make the sacrifice, so he doesn't defend himself." ISTR it's in the FAQ. (Which we should probably have a copy of at the tourney AFA that goes. P'raps I'll print one out and bring it.)

I searched "Attack" in the current FAQ, but couldn't find it.

But we do have these:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=15366&page=2

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=5749

hivelord
September 25th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack.

Or healing your vampires, or extending a chained attack (e.g. Arcane Bolt). But I believe the rule is also that, when you attack one of your own figures, it is required that you roll all the defense dice it can. No saying "well, this guys wants to make the sacrifice, so he doesn't defend himself." ISTR it's in the FAQ. (Which we should probably have a copy of at the tourney AFA that goes. P'raps I'll print one out and bring it.)

Right. The FAQ states specifically that you must always roll all of your dice and that a figure may not attack itself. Oddly, it doesn't have an actual ruling of friendly fire. But rest assured the topic has been discussed pretty thoroughly.
~Hivelord, who has life drained his own zombies before.

[EDIT] Xn(inja'd) FM

LoneHero2008
September 26th, 2010, 12:47 AM
This scaper still requires a ride. >_<

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 26th, 2010, 11:15 PM
I've read through the FAQ and couldn't find a direct ruling on allowing an army to harm its own. Thank you, Xn FM, for the links but I didn't see anything official in them, only personal opinions and reasonings.

Unless someone can show me an official ruling that allows this action, I am going to say, that for this tournament, it won't be allowed. You are a friendly or you are not a friendly.

Xn F M
September 26th, 2010, 11:39 PM
I've read through the FAQ and couldn't find a direct ruling on allowing an army to harm its own. Thank you, Xn FM, for the links but I didn't see anything official in them, only personal opinions and reasonings.

Unless someone can show me an official ruling that allows this action, I am going to say, that for this tournament, it won't be allowed. You are a friendly or you are not a friendly.

Show me where in the rules it says that you can't attack a friendly figure.

If you couldn't attack your own units then Hasbro would not have had to issue errata on the Deathreavers. They would have simply stated that by rule, you cannot attack your own figure; to do otherwise would have been nonsensical.

The Rules Team's stance on rules questions is that they only step in when the community cannot answer a question on their own. I'm well aware of the fact that just because that wasn't refuted in either of those threads doesn't mean it's necessarily the correct ruling. But the official procedure (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=24336)for rules questions on this site is to bring them before the community before taking them to the higher ups. If the community can come to a consensus on the proper procedure, we're not supposed to bother the big guys.

I'm going to be upfront here, one of the armies I was considering taking can do the Zelrig/Iron Golem trick (which none of the design team refuted during the pre-release discussions) so I'm a little biased. But if you need an official ruling to support the community one, there's more than enough time to email WotC.

~Xn

King of the Marro
September 27th, 2010, 01:26 AM
I've read through the FAQ and couldn't find a direct ruling on allowing an army to harm its own. Thank you, Xn FM, for the links but I didn't see anything official in them, only personal opinions and reasonings.

Unless someone can show me an official ruling that allows this action, I am going to say, that for this tournament, it won't be allowed. You are a friendly or you are not a friendly.

Show me where in the rules it says that you can't attack a friendly figure.

If you couldn't attack your own units then Hasbro would not have had to issue errata on the Deathreavers. They would have simply stated that by rule, you cannot attack your own figure; to do otherwise would have been nonsensical.

The Rules Team's stance on rules questions is that they only step in when the community cannot answer a question on their own. I'm well aware of the fact that just because that wasn't refuted in either of those threads doesn't mean it's necessarily the correct ruling. But the official procedure (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=24336)for rules questions on this site is to bring them before the community before taking them to the higher ups. If the community can come to a consensus on the proper procedure, we're not supposed to bother the big guys.

I'm going to be upfront here, one of the armies I was considering taking can do the Zelrig/Iron Golem trick (which none of the design team refuted during the pre-release discussions) so I'm a little biased. But if you need an official ruling to support the community one, there's more than enough time to email WotC.

~Xn

Agreed.

Detrimentalman
September 27th, 2010, 11:02 PM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack. This was brought up most thoroughly in discussion of the Deathreavers and scatter. Since you can attack your own figures an errata was required to not allow a scatter when a rat attacks a teammate.

SCATTER: After a Deathreaver you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Deathreavers you control up to 4 spaces each. (Hasbro FAQ)The bold portion implies that you may attack your own figures.

Hope this helps.


Thanks for the heads up guys. I just want to know, is there any special tournament rules I should know about? Detrimentalman was telling me in the event I went to that there was this rule that if a character is flying, it has to look forward or something. Any other rules like that? It will be my first time playing in serious tournament so I don't want to look like a noob lol


What I said was that there was some kind of rule for double spaced figures and I couldn't remember what it was, but that it didnt matter since you had none. I knew it was something about how they landed. The rule that I couldn't recall correctly is that a double spaced figured would count the landing space as two whether they were landing on one or two slippery/heavy terrain. In other words you wouldn't count the landing as 4 only 3, one for flight and 2 for the one front space (which is where I got confused about the front).


I think it is very clear logically that you may attack your own army based on the rules (which don't expressly forbid it and further by the language on the cards). If you are not able to attack your own troops the errata would not be necessary for the rats and other figures that distinguish an opponent's attack from your own when defending. This is the exact argument I made to you the other day wnfb.

1. If you can not attack your own troops then the only attacks would be from opponents.
2. Certain abilities stipulate that the attack must be made by an opponent in order to use them.
3. If you can not attack your own troops then there is no reason to clarify if the attack is from an opponents figure or not.

Therefore, you may attack your own figures.

Detrimentalman
September 27th, 2010, 11:03 PM
fixed

Leotheanimal87
September 28th, 2010, 03:05 AM
Actually, the ruling is that you can attack you own figures. Which can be useful for instance when getting rid of a unit afflicted with lycanthropy or boosting Krug's attack. This was brought up most thoroughly in discussion of the Deathreavers and scatter. Since you can attack your own figures an errata was required to not allow a scatter when a rat attacks a teammate.

SCATTER: After a Deathreaver you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Deathreavers you control up to 4 spaces each. (Hasbro FAQ)The bold portion implies that you may attack your own figures.

Hope this helps.


Thanks for the heads up guys. I just want to know, is there any special tournament rules I should know about? Detrimentalman was telling me in the event I went to that there was this rule that if a character is flying, it has to look forward or something. Any other rules like that? It will be my first time playing in serious tournament so I don't want to look like a noob lol


What I said was that there was some kind of rule for double spaced figures and I couldn't remember what it was, but that it didnt matter since you had none. I knew it was something about how they landed. The rule that I couldn't recall correctly is that a double spaced figured would count the landing space as two whether they were landing on one or two slippery/heavy terrain. In other words you wouldn't count the landing as 4 only 3, one for flight and 2 for the one front space (which is where I got confused about the front).


I think it is very clear logically that you may attack your own army based on the rules (which don't expressly forbid it and further by the language on the cards). If you are not able to attack your own troops the errata would not be necessary for the rats and other figures that distinguish an opponent's attack from your own when defending. This is the exact argument I made to you the other day wnfb.

1. If you can not attack your own troops then the only attacks would be from opponents.
2. Certain abilities stipulate that the attack must be made by an opponent in order to use them.
3. If you can not attack your own troops then there is no reason to clarify if the attack is from an opponents figure or not.

Therefore, you may attack your own figures.

Ah ic thanks. Had trouble remembering exactly what you said my bad

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 28th, 2010, 04:15 PM
Here is Robert's response from Wizards.com to my e-mail on targeting your own;

Support Agent)09/28/2010 10:23 AMHello Greg,

Thank you for contacting us. After doing some research on the topic of attacking friendly figures in Heroscape, we've been able to find the answer.

Because the rules as written do not specifically prohibit targeting friendly units with an attack, you are legally able to attack them. Triggers, like the Deathreavers you mentioned, may have restrictions that prevent them from happening during harm caused by friendly figures. There are also specific figures that may prevent them from attacking friendly figures (like the MacDirk Warriors "Highland Fury" ability).

It is also important to note that you cannot have a figure attack itself.

I can understand the written rules are a bit confusing, but these are the accepted rules that were used at GenCon this year.

I will definitely forward this issue to the appropriate department for possible inclusion in future versions of the FAQ for the game.

I hope this helps to clear things up.

Take Care!

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 28th, 2010, 04:36 PM
Anyone know of a good map that employs the new DnD pieces?
Anyone have an 'in' to hit up companies to donate to the prize table?

robbdaman
September 28th, 2010, 07:35 PM
Is WotC providing some support? With donations from players we had lots last couple times.

Are we having trophies again this year? I have suggestions if we do. 8)

LoneHero2008
September 29th, 2010, 12:28 AM
-__-;

I'm starting to want to give up, it doesn't look like I'm going to be getting a ride at this point. I know it's early but yeah...

Btw...I have a total of $12 saved, $5 will be going to the entry fee. Not sure what to do with the rest. Also, I found a website that sales Heroscape for pretty cheap.

http://www.scifigenre.com/itemList.aspx?sid=HH1R1SOX0QKNHHY&nSubCategoryID=135&nExpandToID=4593

It can help with getting prizes and such. Also, my tournament army is set if I ever do get a ride.

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 29th, 2010, 04:07 AM
I hope you can somehow swing meeting up with a carpool. Thanks for the link. Best of luck.

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 29th, 2010, 04:08 AM
No one has volunteered trophies.
Rychean is handling support from Wizards which is supposedly going to be less than last year.

SgtHulka
September 29th, 2010, 09:35 AM
I'm going to be joining; I'm just not sure if I'll arrive in time for the tournament. My son has a soccer game that day.

Will there be enough Heroscape free play after five to justify coming down after missing the tournament?

Anyway, I'm a definite (but only a maybe for the tournament) and my two kids are maybes.

GamerHusband
September 29th, 2010, 11:29 AM
As of right now myself and more 3 people from my weekly Heroscape group that are going to attend. They are are follows:

I Heroscaped Your Mom
Everybody Loves Raelin
CharosInCharge

S1R_ART0R1US
September 29th, 2010, 12:08 PM
I'm going to be joining; I'm just not sure if I'll arrive in time for the tournament. My son has a soccer game that day.

Will there be enough Heroscape free play after five to justify coming down after missing the tournament?

Anyway, I'm a definite (but only a maybe for the tournament) and my two kids are maybes.

IIRC, I was there until around 9 pm playing casual games last year. So yes, there would be enough free play to justify coming down (although some people might not want to play HS after the tournament)

Xotli
September 30th, 2010, 04:05 AM
Okay, so we settled the attack-your-own-figures question, right? You can, right?

Also, I found a website that sales Heroscape for pretty cheap.

http://www.scifigenre.com/itemList.aspx?sid=HH1R1SOX0QKNHHY&nSubCategoryID=135&nExpandToID=4593

OMGWTFBBQ! http://www.scifigenre.com/itemDetail.aspx?nItemID=60214&sid=1YU0YJVUO1INNQW :shock: I don't even need any but I want to buy some ...

IIRC, I was there until around 9 pm playing casual games last year. So yes, there would be enough free play to justify coming down (although some people might not want to play HS after the tournament)

Yeah, I think everyone was Heroscaped out by the time the tourney was over, so we ended up playing other stuff. But I'm good for playing whatever, HS included.

Xotli
September 30th, 2010, 10:37 PM
It would be ever so totally awesome if someone could link the maps in the top post to the appropriate place. I dunno where some of those Hivelord is making are coming from ...

EDIT: Or just post the links, and I can link them. Either way.

hivelord
September 30th, 2010, 10:41 PM
It would be ever so totally awesome if someone could link the maps in the top post to the appropriate place. I dunno where some of those Hivelord is making are coming from ...

Mine were mostly all suggested by S1R_ART0R1US in this post (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1208524&postcount=7). I would add the links to the top post for you if I could.

Xotli
September 30th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Mine were mostly all suggested by S1R_ART0R1US in this post (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1208524&postcount=7). I would add the links to the top post for you if I could.

Excellent, thanx for the quick response! I'm going to build one of those tonight, I think, for some practice games. I'll do the links later tonight or tomorrow if wnfb doesn't beat me to it.

(Oh, and I came across a single grass tile that I'm pretty sure is yours ... silver H-looking symbol underneath? that you? Plus I'm bound and determined to bring those damn Minions this time ... I will not forget!!!)

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 30th, 2010, 11:34 PM
Yes, cheesily targeting your own figures is allowed.
Posted map link.
Getting responses from supporters for the prize table.

King of the Marro
October 1st, 2010, 12:07 AM
Yes, cheesily targeting your own figures is allowed.
Posted map link.
Getting responses from supporters for the prize table.

I don't really think it's cheezy if you Z-Bomb your own Iron Golem. That's strategy at it's finest IMO. I wouldn't of ever thought of that but in actuality it's pretty cool.

Xotli
October 1st, 2010, 02:09 AM
Yes, cheesily targeting your own figures is allowed.

C'mon, wnfb. Tell us what you really think. :D

Well, my first practice game with my proposed army was a dismal failure. :( Need to rearrange some stuff ...

robbdaman
October 1st, 2010, 03:59 AM
Okay well I'll toss in for making trophies too. Anyone remember what they were last year? 1st and 2nd plus last? If anyone wants to chip in a buck or two for getting anything special it would be appreciated of course.

Detrimentalman
October 1st, 2010, 05:30 PM
I'm opposed to trophies, whenever we have trophies I never win =P

Don't be too disheartened wnfb, almost no one does it anyhow and you can always trash talk anyone who does hehe

Maps: I'll bring mole hills and embattled fen. Maybe swamp thing if we need another map.

robbdaman
October 1st, 2010, 07:15 PM
I'm opposed to trophies, whenever we have trophies I never win =P.

You can work very hard and win the last place trophy, heck you can blow your own army up and give wnfb something to complain about at the same time. :p

SgtHulka
October 4th, 2010, 12:02 AM
It turns out my son's soccer game is at 9am that day, and it's not too far from the venue so I'll definitely be there for the tourney. My son will be with me, but he may not play. It depends on how intimidated he feels, I suspect.

EDIT: What is the tournament policy on using D&D Proxies for Heroscape figures? To be specific, one of the armies I'm considering has a Blue Wyrmling. Since I already had the identical D&D Miniatures Blue Wyrmling, I haven't bothered to buy the new Heroscape version. Can I use the D&D Miniature Blue Wyrmling in the tournament? Or will I need to acquire the new, official Heroscape version? (I also would have to print out a card for the D&D one).

LoneHero2008
October 4th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Still without a means to get there.

Xn F M
October 5th, 2010, 12:26 AM
It turns out my son's soccer game is at 9am that day, and it's not too far from the venue so I'll definitely be there for the tourney. My son will be with me, but he may not play. It depends on how intimidated he feels, I suspect.

EDIT: What is the tournament policy on using D&D Proxies for Heroscape figures? To be specific, one of the armies I'm considering has a Blue Wyrmling. Since I already had the identical D&D Miniatures Blue Wyrmling, I haven't bothered to buy the new Heroscape version. Can I use the D&D Miniature Blue Wyrmling in the tournament? Or will I need to acquire the new, official Heroscape version? (I also would have to print out a card for the D&D one).

The "official" stance (as I understand it) is that they have to be on correctly sized bases. So I don't think there'd be an issue there. And if WNFB, decides you need official figures, I'm sure someone can lend you the goods. ;)

King of the Marro
October 5th, 2010, 01:13 AM
I've decided that more of one thing is better. Sooo if I do go I'll bring some things to trade if you're interested. Just throwin it out there.

Offering:
4th mass.
Templar Calvary


Looking For:
Zombies (really want)
Heavies
Shades

LoneHero2008
October 5th, 2010, 01:27 AM
I got a squad of Zombies I don't use, assuming I can get a ride >_<

hivelord
October 5th, 2010, 01:42 AM
I've decided that more of one thing is better. Sooo if I do go I'll bring some things to trade if you're interested. Just throwin it out there.

Offering:
4th mass.
Templar Calvary


Looking For:
Zombies (really want)
Heavies
Shades

Oooohhhh... thats really tempting but I love running my 6 squads of zombies.

King of the Marro
October 5th, 2010, 02:07 AM
I've decided that more of one thing is better. Sooo if I do go I'll bring some things to trade if you're interested. Just throwin it out there.

Offering:
4th mass.
Templar Calvary


Looking For:
Zombies (really want)
Heavies
Shades

Oooohhhh... thats really tempting but I love running my 6 squads of zombies.

That's what I'm trying to eventually get to :D

S1R_ART0R1US
October 5th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Less than two weeks to go! I can bring Fossil (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1555) by Rychean. I have 1 BftU, 1 SotM, 1 VW and 1 RttFF with me at college, so I'm kind of limited in what I can build.

GamerHusband
October 5th, 2010, 06:56 PM
I would like to bring a map this year. I was thinking the new BOV addition Quasatch Playground by mad_wookiee.

My group will also be bringing a prize. I figure a heroscape booster.

LoneHero2008
October 7th, 2010, 10:13 AM
^_^; Still seeking a ride.

CharosInCharge
October 7th, 2010, 08:23 PM
Just confirming that I will be there with GamerHusband and possibly a few others again this year. We had a lot of fun last year and are looking forward to gaming with you all again soon :D

LoneHero2008
October 7th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Charos, will you guys be going by San Jacinto by any chance?

Xotli
October 8th, 2010, 02:35 AM
Well, my backup army is now my primary army. Obviously my second idea was much better. I think I'm mostly ready. Did I need to print anything out on the color laser?

I added links for all the maps in the first post. Do we have enough, BTW?

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 8th, 2010, 03:08 AM
I think we have plenty maps but more can be accommodated.
Please print out 2 player cards for each person, one for them to hand to their opponent and one for us to keep as a master if anyone wants to double-check their opponent's army hasn't changed.
I guess if we want to display who has faced who in the tournament rounds, you could bring your whiteboard?
We should be fine on chairs/tables.
I still can't locate an updated points sheet of all of the characters.
Donations are arriving!

LoneHero2008
October 9th, 2010, 12:35 AM
I still need a ride >_<;

Xotli
October 9th, 2010, 01:51 PM
I think we have plenty maps but more can be accommodated.

Yeah, I just added two more that I saw in the thread that weren't in the top post, so that brings the total to 12 maps/24 players, which is probably enough. (I think your 21/28 on the top post should be 21/27, BTW. But maybe someone's name just fell off the maybe list.)

Please print out 2 player cards for each person, one for them to hand to their opponent and one for us to keep as a master if anyone wants to double-check their opponent's army hasn't changed.

Do I have those? :D You mean the same cards from last year, right? I might have those somewhere ... let me check.

I guess if we want to display who has faced who in the tournament rounds, you could bring your whiteboard?

Yeah, sure, that's no problem.

We should be fine on chairs/tables.

Ah, good.

I still can't locate an updated points sheet of all of the characters.

Where's all our graphics fiddly people? Is H3x coming down this year? Someone should be able to do something ... maybe hivelord or one of those guys could slap us together a spreadsheet at least. Or did you ask boom if he at least had the one from last year? maybe we could update that ...

Donations are arriving!

Awesome!

Oh, are we doing nametags this year? I do have the PDF from last year's, but obviously it says "2009" on it ....


EDIT: Hey, KotM, did you ever get in touch with that guy who had some stuff he wanted to donate to our prize table?

EDIT2: LoneHero2008, can you get anywhere that's closer than where you are now? Either bus or train, or possibly staying over at a friend's or relative's the night before .... anything? I'm just trying to think of how to help you out here. Time to get creative, man. :)

robbdaman
October 9th, 2010, 02:07 PM
I'll update the scoresheets I did from last year. I forget who did the points sheets but it wasn't us graphics people.

King of the Marro
October 9th, 2010, 02:15 PM
EDIT: Hey, KotM, did you ever get in touch with that guy who had some stuff he wanted to donate to our prize table?



Nooo :( Couldn't ever figure out how to pick it up

Leotheanimal87
October 9th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Confirming that I shall be bringing myself and my brother to the tournament. My other friend unfortunately will not be able to make it. Sadly I can't donate to the prize table because I don't have much money at the moment :( But I'll see if I can find something. I'll let you know asap.

P.S. The stringers I ordered will not come to me in time for the tournament, will anyone one of you lend me a squad of stringer for the tourney lol :)

King of the Marro
October 9th, 2010, 06:13 PM
Confirming that I shall be bringing myself and my brother to the tournament. My other friend unfortunately will not be able to make it. Sadly I can't donate to the prize table because I don't have much money at the moment :( But I'll see if I can find something. I'll let you know asap.

P.S. The stringers I ordered will not come to me in time for the tournament, will anyone one of you lend me a squad of stringer for the tourney lol :)

Are you sure? I ordered stuff from Auggies Monday morning, and it got to me Thursday.

hivelord
October 9th, 2010, 08:08 PM
I still can't locate an updated points sheet of all of the characters.

Where's all our graphics fiddly people? Is H3x coming down this year? Someone should be able to do something ... maybe hivelord or one of those guys could slap us together a spreadsheet at least. Or did you ask boom if he at least had the one from last year? maybe we could update that ...


I found Boom's excel file for the partial scoring. I'll try to update it as soon as I can and get it to you to print. As I've mentioned I'm out of commission starting the Thursday before the event doing 24 straight hours of improv comedy. So I'll hopefully be done by then. :D


Also, on an unrelated note, I decided I wanted to some high-detail repainting so I am working on a more metallic version of DW9k with individually painted rivets. :D Yeah... I'm crazy.

Xotli
October 9th, 2010, 10:02 PM
I'll update the scoresheets I did from last year.

Sounds good. I think there were some changes we suggested after using them in action, but damned if I can remember what they were now. :) If anyone remembers, chime in now.

If you need those printed out in color, I'll be happy to do it for ya. Just let me know.

I forget who did the points sheets but it wasn't us graphics people.

No, I'm pretty sure it was a spreadsheet that boom found somewhere and updated. But, as he's not going to make it this year (or not until later), we need someone else to step up. Let me check my Google docs and my email ...

You know what? I do have it. Can someone volunteer to update it? If you PM me your email addy, I will forward it to you, and you can update it (either in Excel or via Google docs). Then you can print it out (or I can, but it's B&W so pretty much anyone should be able to handle it). Any volunteers?




EDIT: Hey, KotM, did you ever get in touch with that guy who had some stuff he wanted to donate to our prize table?



Nooo :( Couldn't ever figure out how to pick it up

Bummer! Hey, can you drop him an email and ask him if he still has it? If so, maybe someone else can manage to get it. If not, ah well.

P.S. The stringers I ordered will not come to me in time for the tournament, will anyone one of you lend me a squad of stringer for the tourney lol :)

I'm sure plenty of people will have some ... a lot of folks bring all their figures. I will also try to remember to bring some JIC.

Looking good guys! I'm starting to get excited!:excited:


EDIT:
I found Boom's excel file for the partial scoring. I'll try to update it as soon as I can and get it to you to print.

Awesome! Yeah, you can just shoot it back to me and I'll rip 'em out and bring 'em.

As I've mentioned I'm out of commission starting the Thursday before the event doing 24 straight hours of improv comedy. So I'll hopefully be done by then. :D

Oh, yeah, I keep hearing about that ... where is it again? I doubt I'll be able to catch any of it, but JIC ....


Also, on an unrelated note, I decided I wanted to some high-detail repainting so I am working on a more metallic version of DW9k with individually painted rivets. :D Yeah... I'm crazy.

Sounds pretty cool to me ...

hivelord
October 9th, 2010, 11:40 PM
As I've mentioned I'm out of commission starting the Thursday before the event doing 24 straight hours of improv comedy. So I'll hopefully be done by then. :D
Oh, yeah, I keep hearing about that ... where is it again? I doubt I'll be able to catch any of it, but JIC ....


It is at the National Comedy Theater in Hollywood. I am part of an improv troupe called ComedySportz (La's longest-running show in its 22nd year). Unfortunately they have been hit hard by the economy and this marathon of comedy is an attempt by my team and I to raise enough money to keep the theater alive. All told the event will be 48 hours long with no downtime. We are getting people to pledge a certain amount of money per hour for how long they think we'll last. Since I have NHsD on saturday I'll be doing the first 24 hours then getting some sleep and coming to the tourney.

The event is from 7pm thursday night through 7pm saturday night. When someone pledges (can be as low as 50¢ per hour) they get to attend any part of the show for free and will be able to watch the whole thing streaming live online.

We all really want this campaign to succeed as we all have a lot of our hearts invested in this company. (I have been involved for several years since the company both runs its many shows and organizes a league of 80+ high school improv teams as well.)

Well, that was my rant for the evening. If anyone wants to pledge they can PM me their phone number and the amount they want to pledge per hour.

Thanks for reading,
~Hivelord

LoneHero2008
October 10th, 2010, 12:14 AM
EDIT2: LoneHero2008, can you get anywhere that's closer than where you are now? Either bus or train, or possibly staying over at a friend's or relative's the night before .... anything? I'm just trying to think of how to help you out here. Time to get creative, man. :)

No, I can't. My closest relative lives in the opposite direction I need to go and I don't have any money at the moment. I'm unemployed, on my 3rd Year of 12th grade and living with my grandma. >_<; I even had to apply for foodstamps to make sure we had enough groceries. The Economy has hit us pretty hard.

Leotheanimal87
October 10th, 2010, 01:35 AM
I ordered the stingers from Ebay thats why their taking awhile to get here. I hope someone can lend me an extra squad for the day

Leotheanimal87
October 10th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Sorry for double post, but I just found out my stringers came in the mail today :)

hivelord
October 10th, 2010, 03:01 AM
Sorry for double post, but I just found out my stringers came in the mail today :)
Sweet! And for future reference you could have used the little edit button to just change your previous post.

S1R_ART0R1US
October 10th, 2010, 04:30 AM
As I've mentioned I'm out of commission starting the Thursday before the event doing 24 straight hours of improv comedy. So I'll hopefully be done by then. :D
Oh, yeah, I keep hearing about that ... where is it again? I doubt I'll be able to catch any of it, but JIC ....


It is at the National Comedy Theater in Hollywood. I am part of an improv troupe called ComedySportz (La's longest-running show in its 22nd year). Unfortunately they have been hit hard by the economy and this marathon of comedy is an attempt by my team and I to raise enough money to keep the theater alive. All told the event will be 48 hours long with no downtime. We are getting people to pledge a certain amount of money per hour for how long they think we'll last. Since I have NHsD on saturday I'll be doing the first 24 hours then getting some sleep and coming to the tourney.

The event is from 7pm thursday night through 7pm saturday night. When someone pledges (can be as low as 50¢ per hour) they get to attend any part of the show for free and will be able to watch the whole thing streaming live online.

We all really want this campaign to succeed as we all have a lot of our hearts invested in this company. (I have been involved for several years since the company both runs its many shows and organizes a league of 80+ high school improv teams as well.)

Well, that was my rant for the evening. If anyone wants to pledge they can PM me their phone number and the amount they want to pledge per hour.

Thanks for reading,
~Hivelord

Good luck! I've been to the ComedySportz in my hometown (San Jose) and it was a great experience. Can you only watch it live online, or could I watch it Sunday after the 48 hours is over?

hivelord
October 10th, 2010, 11:41 AM
As I've mentioned I'm out of commission starting the Thursday before the event doing 24 straight hours of improv comedy. So I'll hopefully be done by then. :D
Oh, yeah, I keep hearing about that ... where is it again? I doubt I'll be able to catch any of it, but JIC ....


It is at the National Comedy Theater in Hollywood. I am part of an improv troupe called ComedySportz (La's longest-running show in its 22nd year). Unfortunately they have been hit hard by the economy and this marathon of comedy is an attempt by my team and I to raise enough money to keep the theater alive. All told the event will be 48 hours long with no downtime. We are getting people to pledge a certain amount of money per hour for how long they think we'll last. Since I have NHsD on saturday I'll be doing the first 24 hours then getting some sleep and coming to the tourney.

The event is from 7pm thursday night through 7pm saturday night. When someone pledges (can be as low as 50¢ per hour) they get to attend any part of the show for free and will be able to watch the whole thing streaming live online.

We all really want this campaign to succeed as we all have a lot of our hearts invested in this company. (I have been involved for several years since the company both runs its many shows and organizes a league of 80+ high school improv teams as well.)

Well, that was my rant for the evening. If anyone wants to pledge they can PM me their phone number and the amount they want to pledge per hour.

Thanks for reading,
~Hivelord

Good luck! I've been to the ComedySportz in my hometown (San Jose) and it was a great experience. Can you only watch it live online, or could I watch it Sunday after the 48 hours is over?

I don't know for certain buy I would assume that it will only be available as a live stream during the show. Only because of the difficulty of hosting 48 hours of video somewhere for people to replay.
Thanks for the interest,
~Hivelord

Xotli
October 10th, 2010, 02:57 PM
It is at the National Comedy Theater in Hollywood. I am part of an improv troupe called ComedySportz (La's longest-running show in its 22nd year). Unfortunately they have been hit hard by the economy and this marathon of comedy is an attempt by my team and I to raise enough money to keep the theater alive. All told the event will be 48 hours long with no downtime. We are getting people to pledge a certain amount of money per hour for how long they think we'll last. Since I have NHsD on saturday I'll be doing the first 24 hours then getting some sleep and coming to the tourney.

The event is from 7pm thursday night through 7pm saturday night. When someone pledges (can be as low as 50¢ per hour) they get to attend any part of the show for free and will be able to watch the whole thing streaming live online.

We all really want this campaign to succeed as we all have a lot of our hearts invested in this company. (I have been involved for several years since the company both runs its many shows and organizes a league of 80+ high school improv teams as well.)

Well, that was my rant for the evening. If anyone wants to pledge they can PM me their phone number and the amount they want to pledge per hour.

Sounds very cool. How late will you be there on Fri night?

(After poking around Google: no love for the event on the website? whazzup widdat?)

hivelord
October 10th, 2010, 03:15 PM
It is at the National Comedy Theater in Hollywood. I am part of an improv troupe called ComedySportz (La's longest-running show in its 22nd year). Unfortunately they have been hit hard by the economy and this marathon of comedy is an attempt by my team and I to raise enough money to keep the theater alive. All told the event will be 48 hours long with no downtime. We are getting people to pledge a certain amount of money per hour for how long they think we'll last. Since I have NHsD on saturday I'll be doing the first 24 hours then getting some sleep and coming to the tourney.

The event is from 7pm thursday night through 7pm saturday night. When someone pledges (can be as low as 50¢ per hour) they get to attend any part of the show for free and will be able to watch the whole thing streaming live online.

We all really want this campaign to succeed as we all have a lot of our hearts invested in this company. (I have been involved for several years since the company both runs its many shows and organizes a league of 80+ high school improv teams as well.)

Well, that was my rant for the evening. If anyone wants to pledge they can PM me their phone number and the amount they want to pledge per hour.

Sounds very cool. How late will you be there on Fri night?

(After poking around Google: no love for the event on the website? whazzup widdat?)

I think I'll only be there till 7 or 8 friday night. That would be 24 hours and I need to be somewhat cognizant to even attempt any buttkickery on saturday.

Also, I have no Idea why the webmaster is shortchanging us as such. :?

King of the Marro
October 11th, 2010, 12:14 AM
Does anyone live within 30 minutes of Orange County or passing through? My family has a lot going on sat. and I'm wondering if I could get dropped off at someones place and ride with them?

Leotheanimal87
October 11th, 2010, 02:24 AM
Does anyone live within 30 minutes of Orange County or passing through? My family has a lot going on sat. and I'm wondering if I could get dropped off at someones place and ride with them?

I can probably pick you up on the way. Send me a PM

Xotli
October 11th, 2010, 02:54 AM
I just uploaded hivelord's updated partial scoring sheet (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2798). Can you guys take a look and double check it for us? Let me know if you see any problems I need to fix before I go printing a couple dozen copies. :)

LoneHero2008
October 11th, 2010, 10:02 AM
At this point it looks like I'm going to miss it.

hextr1p
October 12th, 2010, 02:25 PM
Chiming in for a belated "thank you" in regards to the later start time. Makes it a LOT easier for those who are travelling from afar. :)

That said, I plan on bringing at least four small expansion sets with me for the prize table. There may be a couple more, and not sure which ones. But just so you can add them to the list of available winnings.

Looking forward to it!

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 13th, 2010, 02:52 PM
Glad to hear it and thanks for the expansions.
Sorry LoneHero2008 couldn't manage to pull it off this time but
hopefully we'll see you at another event before long.
I don't have the cards to check your partial scoring sheet but I would've thought it was too short. Can we get a confirmation from someone either yea or nay on the partial scoring sheet?

Xn F M
October 13th, 2010, 10:12 PM
I don't have the cards to check your partial scoring sheet but I would've thought it was too short. Can we get a confirmation from someone either yea or nay on the partial scoring sheet?

It looks okay to me*. I thought it seemed a bit short too, until I realized that all the new common heroes aren't on it (because they have one wound).

If it's possible, I'd like to see the background colors on the the scoring sheet faded out a bit. The darker colors (especially that purple) don't have enough value contrast to be be easily readable with black text.

*If I have time tonight I'll do a more through inspection.

Xotli
October 14th, 2010, 02:37 AM
Chiming in for a belated "thank you" in regards to the later start time. Makes it a LOT easier for those who are travelling from afar. :)

Hey, H3x, glad to see you're going to make it!

If it's possible, I'd like to see the background colors on the the scoring sheet faded out a bit. The darker colors (especially that purple) don't have enough value contrast to be be easily readable with black text.

I'll see what I can do, although I'm not that great at that sort of thing. But I'll give it a shot.

hivelord
October 14th, 2010, 02:41 AM
Chiming in for a belated "thank you" in regards to the later start time. Makes it a LOT easier for those who are travelling from afar. :)

Hey, H3x, glad to see you're going to make it!

If it's possible, I'd like to see the background colors on the the scoring sheet faded out a bit. The darker colors (especially that purple) don't have enough value contrast to be be easily readable with black text.

I'll see what I can do, although I'm not that great at that sort of thing. But I'll give it a shot.

It might be easiest on excell to just remove the background colors entirely. Excell doesn't give many color options.

King of the Marro
October 14th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Looks like I'm coming. Any requests for maps?

hivelord
October 14th, 2010, 12:03 PM
If anyone wants to watch my 48 hour improv show, you can at www.collegeteamimprov.com Thanks for showing interest you guys!

And saturday should be a blast! I'm really looking forward to it.

Xn F M
October 14th, 2010, 03:21 PM
Donations

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/ (http://www.miniaturemarket.com/) $10 gift certificate X 20
http://www.wizards.com/ (http://www.wizards.com/http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html) (1)Wave 12 and (3) DnD Masters
http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html (http://www.wizards.com/http://www.housemousegames.com/index.html) $25 gift certificate

Prizes
hivelord (?), Xn F M (Plano boxes) and robbdaman (repaints), Xotli (booster), GamerHusband (booster), Hextr1p (4 boosters)

I don't know if any one else has taken a look at the first post recently, but it looks like we'll
have a ton of door prizes this year. :D (Over thirty-three total prizes, and that's assuming that wave d2 from wizards doesn't get broken up into individual boosters.)

Looks like I'm coming. Any requests for maps?

Maps
Volunteered:
hivelord: Road Rampage (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=240), Jagged Causeway (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2492), Invasion (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=796), and Fire Isles (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=241)
wnfb: Highways and Dieways (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=234), Arctic Divide (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=232) [normal snow/slippery ice], Hot Heights (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=238) and Sidewinder (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=793)
Detrimentalman: Mole Hills (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=231) and Embattled Fen (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=134)
S1R_ART0R1US: Fossil (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1555)
GamerHusband: Quasatch Playground (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=1887)

It looks like we have a number of bases covered as far as maps go. We have Lava, Ice, Road, Swamp, and Jungle terrain all represented. I'd like to see a Dungeon map in that pool if you can find a good one.

Edit: Some ideas:


Kaltengeist (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1057160) - added 4/6/2010 - download (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2190)
http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//kaltengeist1_fMw.jpg

Requires 1 BftU, 1 RttFF and 1 TT.

:halfstar: Noctis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=992144) - added 1/19/10 - download (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2011)
http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//noctis1_upd_ZUJ.jpg

Requires 2 BftU.

Map: Warden (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2067)
Date Uploaded: 2/12/10
Requires: 1RotV, 1 BftU, 1 RttFF
http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//warden_3e9.jpg

(I'm a fan of this map, but the elevated start zones are an issue for some people.)

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/images/misc/multipage.gif (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1094706#post1094706) Cloak and Dagger (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2418) (2 DD + 1 TT) - 26.3" x 31.5"
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/2/8/4/3/cloakanddagger.jpg (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2418)


Time to get back to work :(

S1R_ART0R1US
October 14th, 2010, 07:38 PM
Jagged Causeway uses 1 BftU (which is why I suggested it :razz:) I'm stoked for Saturday- good way to relax between ochem and math midterms.

Xotli
October 14th, 2010, 09:43 PM
Edit: Some ideas:
:
:


Oooh, I like Noctis. Or Cloak and Dagger is good too, but I don't if KotM has any TT.

King of the Marro
October 14th, 2010, 11:04 PM
Edit: Some ideas:
:
:


Oooh, I like Noctis. Or Cloak and Dagger is good too, but I don't if KotM has any TT.

The TT is not the problem (I have 2) I don't have any Dungeon.

Xn F M
October 14th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Edit: Some ideas:
:
:


Oooh, I like Noctis. Or Cloak and Dagger is good too, but I don't if KotM has any TT.

The TT is not the problem (I have 2) I don't have any Dungeon.

Well phooey.

Detrimentalman
October 15th, 2010, 12:07 AM
I'm set on hw and hopefully tomorrow I will be able to find time to pick an army...sooo difficult. See you all saturday!

King of the Marro
October 15th, 2010, 12:25 AM
I'm set on hw and hopefully tomorrow I will be able to find time to pick an army...sooo difficult. See you all saturday!

Agreed, I probably won't pick tell Sat. morning after I see how competitive everyone else is going.

Xotli
October 15th, 2010, 03:43 AM
If it's possible, I'd like to see the background colors on the the scoring sheet faded out a bit. The darker colors (especially that purple) don't have enough value contrast to be be easily readable with black text.

I'll see what I can do, although I'm not that great at that sort of thing. But I'll give it a shot.

Okay, I've reuploaded the partial scoring sheet (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2798). For Ullar, Jandar, and Utgar, I just made them a lighter green, blue, and red, respectively. For Einar, I switched from the purple of the card borders to the orangey-brown of the backgrounds (honestly, I've never understood why everyone wants to make Einar purple anyway--we don't use white for Jandar or black for Utgar or brown for Ullar, right?). For Aquilla, I switched from the dark blue of the card backgrounds to the yellow of the borders (figuring, hey, if it works for Einar, why not for Aquilla?). Vydar I left as is since it was pretty light already.

Let me know if it looks good now guys!

Xotli
October 15th, 2010, 02:05 PM
I've had my army ready for like two weeks now. :p I mean, sure, it'll suck, but, dammit, it's ready. :D

So I will be bringing:

Partial Scoring Sheet x10 (that should be enough, right?)
Printed FAQ x5 (or maybe less, even; gotta look and see how long it is)
Whiteboard + markers + eraser
Me + my armies
SSX (no armies for him: he says he's definitely not playing, just coming to hang out)
Assorted and sundry snacks/beverages


And I think that's it. Anything else I'm supposed to be worrying about?

Xn F M
October 15th, 2010, 04:50 PM
And I think that's it. Anything else I'm supposed to be worrying about?

Not that you, specifically, should be worrying about this, but I think we should have a few rulebooks on hand. I'll be bringing up my MS3 rulebook with me, but we should make sure we have at least RotV, SoM, TT, VW, TJ, RttFF, and FotA rulebook for all the specific rules and FAQs in them.

I'm set on hw and hopefully tomorrow I will be able to find time to pick an army...sooo difficult. See you all saturday!

I know, I'm bringing five complete armies with me so I won't have to make the decision until the last minute.

Edit: the updated scoring sheet is much better. Thanks Xotli!

Detrimentalman
October 15th, 2010, 07:56 PM
Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

Xotli
October 15th, 2010, 11:50 PM
Not that you, specifically, should be worrying about this, but I think we should have a few rulebooks on hand. I'll be bringing up my MS3 rulebook with me, but we should make sure we have at least RotV, SoM, TT, VW, TJ, RttFF, and FotA rulebook for all the specific rules and FAQs in them.

Yeah, I was thinking about that myself. I was just poking through the TJ rulebook during one of my practice games (forgot whether jungle bonuses applied to special attacks or not), so I can easily imagine we might need them. I'm pretty sure I've got multiples of all of them, so I'll see what I can scrounge up.

Edit: the updated scoring sheet is much better. Thanks Xotli!

Awesome sauce. I'll print 'em out here in a bit.

Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

Hey, you know how I feel ... as long as we get to do something new and different, I'll always vote yes. :D Honestly, Heroscape contains so much built-in variety that there's no excuse for us getting bored. So, yeah, let's mix it up a bit. :thumbsup:

hivelord
October 16th, 2010, 01:02 AM
Did 26 hours for the improvathon. See y'all tomorrow!

King of the Marro
October 16th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Not that you, specifically, should be worrying about this, but I think we should have a few rulebooks on hand. I'll be bringing up my MS3 rulebook with me, but we should make sure we have at least RotV, SoM, TT, VW, TJ, RttFF, and FotA rulebook for all the specific rules and FAQs in them.

Yeah, I was thinking about that myself. I was just poking through the TJ rulebook during one of my practice games (forgot whether jungle bonuses applied to special attacks or not), so I can easily imagine we might need them. I'm pretty sure I've got multiples of all of them, so I'll see what I can scrounge up.

Edit: the updated scoring sheet is much better. Thanks Xotli!

Awesome sauce. I'll print 'em out here in a bit.

Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

Hey, you know how I feel ... as long as we get to do something new and different, I'll always vote yes. :D Honestly, Heroscape contains so much built-in variety that there's no excuse for us getting bored. So, yeah, let's mix it up a bit. :thumbsup:

I'm bringing a semi tier 2 army (with no Stingers) if it makes you feel better :D

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 16th, 2010, 01:50 AM
All looks good.
If you're setting up a map, please arrive by 10AM.
Thanks!

Xotli
October 16th, 2010, 02:12 AM
Okay, here's my updated list:


Partial Scoring Sheet x10 (printed, not yet packed)
Printed FAQ x2 (printed, not yet bound or packed)
Rulebooks x1: VW, RttFF, FotA, TJ (packed)
Whiteboard + markers + eraser (packed)
Me + my armies (packed)
SSX (not yet packed)
Assorted and sundry snacks/beverages (still have to buy(!))


As for the rulebooks, I can't find my TT or my SotM, and all my dups are still in the plastic and I don't wanna rip 'em open right now. :) But I got 1@ of the rest.

Going to crash early so I can get up in time to hit the store on the way. Cya'll tomorrow! (And I'll check in one last time before I hit the road.)

Detrimentalman
October 16th, 2010, 02:43 AM
I am also not taking the "best" army I built which included several sets of stingers. Might bring a cheesy army as my backup though. Havent really decided yet, girlfriend got in the way and didn't have the time so looks like I'll be scrambling tomorrow. Hope to see you all there.

PS only bringing the two maps wnfb didn't have time tonight to get it out like I thought.

hivelord
October 16th, 2010, 10:36 AM
As I am setting up several maps can I arrive before 10?

Xotli
October 16th, 2010, 10:52 AM
Missed a couple things in my list! Hopefully this is everything now:


Partial Scoring Sheet x10 (printed and packed)
Printed FAQ x2 (printed, bound, and packed)
Rulebooks x1: VW, RttFF, FotA, TJ (packed)
Whiteboard + markers + eraser (packed)
Booster for prize table (not yet picked or packed)
Minions for hivelord (located but not yet packed)
Me + my armies (packed)
SSX (sort of packed)
Assorted and sundry snacks/beverages (still have to buy(!))


Happy to throw anything else I can into the car to bring with, but you gotta let me know pretty quick. :D

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 16th, 2010, 12:40 PM
We're open and several are here setting up.

CharosInCharge
October 16th, 2010, 10:50 PM
Had a lot of fun again this year. I very much look forward to doing it again next year.

Leotheanimal87
October 16th, 2010, 11:06 PM
Dude it was a blast! Thanks to everyone in charge it was great! Got 5th place and walked away with lots of prizes lol

Xn F M
October 16th, 2010, 11:58 PM
Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

I was thinking about this on the drive home. It might be cool to run a tourney banning the B grade and higher units (so only the B- and lower ranked units at the time of announcement would be legal).

Sorry about the mega-cheese, but before sign-ups went up I heard a number of people talking about running some pretty good stuff. (And frankly, going up against five Fen Hyras in three games, I'm glad I had those super-Krav . . . .)

hivelord
October 17th, 2010, 12:25 AM
Really great day! Didn't do all that great but I had blast. Then I won probably the coolest game of Munchkin ever.


My group is probably going to run a draft tournament soon so that could be fun.

SgtHulka
October 17th, 2010, 12:26 AM
Thanks again to the organizers and prize supporters. Family Hulka had a great time. Girl Hulka loves her Kelda re-paint and Boy Hulka couldn't wait to rip into his booster pack prizes when he got home.

And thanks to all the opponents for being patient and really good sports with my kids.

Xotli
October 17th, 2010, 03:24 AM
Thanx everyone! We had a blast again this year. Love my Pyro Hydra repaint, loved our utter insanity Munchkin game. Can't wait to see the pics!

LoneHero2008
October 17th, 2010, 09:34 AM
I hope I can get a ride next time, or at least have a car and driver's license by then.

S1R_ART0R1US
October 17th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Thanks everybody for helping to organize such a fantastic day! I had a great time (winning doesn't hurt). I've posted a Battle Report here (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1232042#post1232042).

Leotheanimal87
October 17th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

I was thinking about this on the drive home. It might be cool to run a tourney banning the B grade and higher units (so only the B- and lower ranked units at the time of announcement would be legal). Sorry about the mega-cheese, but before sign-ups went up I heard a number of people talking about running some pretty good stuff. (And frankly, going up against five Fen Hyras in three games, I'm glad I had those super-Krav . . . .)

King of the Marro and I were talking about this on the way home too. I wouldn't mine if we ban certain characters. There are many armies I wanted to try out but I was afraid I would get wiped out fast. My poor brother went up against 3 Q9's :sad:

robbdaman
October 17th, 2010, 10:46 PM
I don't think a banned units tourney would go over as well for everyone. Perhaps a changing armies tourney where you would have to completely change your army each round with no repeats in any of your armies may be more receptive. Yes, it would mean plenty of Q9s, 10th, KoW and Stingers still but would make people have to be more creative and play a lot more than just the same thing.

Xn F M
October 17th, 2010, 11:24 PM
Honestly next tournament I'd like to suggest we come up with some kind of anti-cheese rules. Maybe limit the number of some squads or vote on some figures that have to sit out. Maybe even just agree to have everyone submit armies ahead of time; perhaps if everyone knows that they won't be facing a stinger army or Q9 etc we could actually make some more interesting armies without fearing a meta army. Seems like a lot of people would like to run some more interestin armies, but are afraid of finding everyone fielding cheese and losing horribly which IMO is a shame. Anyone else feel the same?

I was thinking about this on the drive home. It might be cool to run a tourney banning the B grade and higher units (so only the B- and lower ranked units at the time of announcement would be legal). Sorry about the mega-cheese, but before sign-ups went up I heard a number of people talking about running some pretty good stuff. (And frankly, going up against five Fen Hyras in three games, I'm glad I had those super-Krav . . . .)

King of the Marro and I were talking about this on the way home too. I wouldn't mine if we ban certain characters. There are many armies I wanted to try out but I was afraid I would get wiped out fast. My poor brother went up against 3 Q9's :sad:

I went up against five Fen Hydras in three games (six if you count the one that went back up to full health from one after getting Kelda'd). It's not quite so bad as three Q9s, but still . . . .


I don't think a banned units tourney would go over as well for everyone. Perhaps a changing armies tourney where you would have to completely change your army each round with no repeats in any of your armies may be more receptive. Yes, it would mean plenty of Q9s, 10th, KoW and Stingers still but would make people have to be more creative and play a lot more than just the same thing.

That's not a bad idea, but it does require that you bring alot of figures, which could be difficult for some people.

robbdaman
October 18th, 2010, 01:27 AM
I don't think a banned units tourney would go over as well for everyone. Perhaps a changing armies tourney where you would have to completely change your army each round with no repeats in any of your armies may be more receptive. Yes, it would mean plenty of Q9s, 10th, KoW and Stingers still but would make people have to be more creative and play a lot more than just the same thing.

That's not a bad idea, but it does require that you bring alot of figures, which could be difficult for some people.

Only requires people to bring a lot of points and if you have limited room to use more heroes than squads. So it could cut down on squadscape. ;)

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 18th, 2010, 09:45 AM
Thanks to all that participated. I had a great time, also.
Many special thanks to those that helped set up, run it and break down.
I'm game for both tourney suggestions and look forward to them.
I'll try and post pics and video later.
PS: As well as being polite, it would be a good idea to thank any donors for the prizes you took home so they'd be encourage to help us out again next year.

Leotheanimal87
October 18th, 2010, 10:52 AM
Thanks to all that participated. I had a great time, also.
Many special thanks to those that helped set up, run it and break down.
I'm game for both tourney suggestions and look forward to them.
I'll try and post pics and video later.
PS: As well as being polite, it would be a good idea to thank any donors for the prizes you took home so they'd be encourage to help us out again next year.

I agree thanks to WOTC and everyone who brought a prize to the table. I shall try and bring a prize next year.

hextr1p
October 18th, 2010, 01:55 PM
PS: As well as being polite, it would be a good idea to thank any donors for the prizes you took home so they'd be encourage to help us out again next year.
Outside of the prize support sent by NHSD Sponsors (WOTC, House Mouse Games, and Miniature Market), the following folks also contributed to the winnings:

• GamerHusband: Small expansion booster (not sure which one)
• Robbdaman: Repaints/mods of Kelda, Torin, Fen Hydra, Taelord, and SotM Drake.
• Hivelord: Repaints of Krav Maga Agents and Wyvern, and boosters (not sure which ones).
• XN FM: The Plano style cases and bag.
• Xotli: Small expansion set Wave 2 Minutemen and Wolves... and others...?
• Hextr1p: Wave 9 Heroes of the Moon, Wave 10 Champions of Renown, Wave 10 Warriors of Feldspar, Wave D1 Heroes of Faerun, Wave D2 Heroes of Khorvaire.

It was another great prize table!

If I missed anyone (which I'm sure I did), I do apologize. Going by memory here. :)

Leotheanimal87
October 18th, 2010, 03:20 PM
I was thinking maybe for next year we can switch armies every round, but when you switch, the armies you switch have to be by general. For example round 1 everyone has to use Jandar, then Round 2 Utgar only and so on. What do you think? This way I think we can cut down on cheese factor and Q9's :P

S1R_ART0R1US
October 18th, 2010, 05:28 PM
I really like that idea-general wars with a different general each game.

hivelord
October 18th, 2010, 05:43 PM
I really like that idea-general wars with a different general each game.

That coyld be fun. But make it so which army you use is randomly chosen each round with no repeats. That way you won't have all jandar v jandar etc.

S1R_ART0R1US
October 18th, 2010, 06:19 PM
I really like that idea-general wars with a different general each game.

That coyld be fun. But make it so which army you use is randomly chosen each round with no repeats. That way you won't have all jandar v jandar etc.

You could roll a d6 to determine which army you'd play, although some people may have a tough time getting the figures for an Aquilla army, as Spiders, Dwarves, and Braves are not exactly plentiful. Maybe you could have Vydar, Jandar, Einar, Utgar, Ullar and free pick.

CharosInCharge
October 18th, 2010, 06:42 PM
I would be all for a General Wars or B grade unit type tournament. However, I don't think we should change NHSD around all that much.

robbdaman
October 18th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Yeah I think we should keep NHSD a straight up tourney as it is. Perhaps the Half-slaughter game day we could have three different smaller tourneys along with other various games? perhaps like 4 to 8 man tourneys where we could have a switching armies tourney, a heroes only tourney and a generals tourney?

King of the Marro
October 18th, 2010, 08:04 PM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

robbdaman
October 18th, 2010, 08:51 PM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

Holidays are even worse times for people to make an event. :|

Leotheanimal87
October 18th, 2010, 08:53 PM
I really like that idea-general wars with a different general each game.

That coyld be fun. But make it so which army you use is randomly chosen each round with no repeats. That way you won't have all jandar v jandar etc.

You could roll a d6 to determine which army you'd play, although some people may have a tough time getting the figures for an Aquilla army, as Spiders, Dwarves, and Braves are not exactly plentiful. Maybe you could have Vydar, Jandar, Einar, Utgar, Ullar and free pick.

I'm liking this idea.

Leotheanimal87
October 18th, 2010, 08:56 PM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

Holidays are even worse times for people to make an event. :|

Maybe after the Holidays, we do an after Thanksgiving throw down. King of the Marro lets meet up for a game this weekend if were both free.

King of the Marro
October 18th, 2010, 10:56 PM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

Holidays are even worse times for people to make an event. :|

Maybe after the Holidays, we do an after Thanksgiving throw down. King of the Marro lets meet up for a game this weekend if were both free.

Agreed if anyone else feels like driving down they're welcome too

Xn F M
October 19th, 2010, 12:16 AM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

Holidays are even worse times for people to make an event. :|

Maybe after the Holidays, we do an after Thanksgiving throw down. King of the Marro lets meet up for a game this weekend if were both free.

Isn't "after the Holidays," traditionally after New Year's? Seems a bit late for a Thanksgiving Throwdown to me.

Leotheanimal87
October 19th, 2010, 03:22 AM
How bout a Christmas or Thanksgiving Throwdown tourny?

Holidays are even worse times for people to make an event. :|

Maybe after the Holidays, we do an after Thanksgiving throw down. King of the Marro lets meet up for a game this weekend if were both free.

Isn't "after the Holidays," traditionally after New Year's? Seems a bit late for a Thanksgiving Throwdown to me.

My bad let me clarify, the event will be called the After Thanksgiving throwdown. Also if anyone is interested. I'll be willing to play some games in Brea at The Realm. PM if you want to play sometime

Xotli
October 19th, 2010, 01:23 PM
I don't think a banned units tourney would go over as well for everyone.

Well, not sure that I see anything really wrong with the banned units idea, but an alternative might be to come up with a list of "overused" units and a list of "forgotten" units. For every overused unit in your army, you lose 10 points off your total; for every forgotten unit, you gain 10. Or something along those lines; might need some tweaking. But the point is, instead of proscribing/requiring, we discourage/encourage.

Perhaps a changing armies tourney where you would have to completely change your army each round with no repeats in any of your armies may be more receptive. Yes, it would mean plenty of Q9s, 10th, KoW and Stingers still but would make people have to be more creative and play a lot more than just the same thing.

I actually like this idea a lot ...

That's not a bad idea, but it does require that you bring alot of figures, which could be difficult for some people.

... but that's an excellent counterpoint.

PS: As well as being polite, it would be a good idea to thank any donors for the prizes you took home so they'd be encourage to help us out again next year.

Yes! Thanx to robbdaman for my excellent pyro-hydra, and thanx to Miniature Market for the gift certificate. (I've actually been using MM a lot lately; they're an excellent outfit.)

• Xotli: Small expansion set Wave 2 Minutemen and Wolves... and others...?

Nah, just the one. I'm actually running out of boosters I don't need ... I have no clue what I'll do next year. :)

I was thinking maybe for next year we can switch armies every round, but when you switch, the armies you switch have to be by general. For example round 1 everyone has to use Jandar, then Round 2 Utgar only and so on. What do you think? This way I think we can cut down on cheese factor and Q9's :P

I like that idea too. Although certain generals are much easier to put together armies for than others. Which means a matchup between Utgar and Aquilla might be pretty one-sided.

I would be all for a General Wars or B grade unit type tournament. However, I don't think we should change NHSD around all that much.

Yeah I think we should keep NHSD a straight up tourney as it is.

Okay, not aiming my rant at either of you two specifically, but I really don't understand this attitude. The best and brightest minds on this forum are pushing the boundaries of what the game can do in the tournament format, and we don't want to change anything because "we always done it this way?" I'm somehow reminded of the famous Thomas Jefferson quote on the "sanctity" of the constitution:

We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.

I'm perfectly willing to listen to logical arguments about why the existing format is better, but this one doesn't make any sense at all to me. :shrug:

Okay, rant done. :D


ADDENDUM: Hey, could we work on recreating that tourney sheet while we remember what needs to be done to it this year? ;) If anyone wants to take a stab at it, that'd be awesome.

CharosInCharge
October 20th, 2010, 07:32 AM
It's not that I wouldn't want to switch it up and do a different sort of tournament. Heck we are always switching it up at my groups weekly game night. It's just that to me NHSD is the only yearly event where I actually put thought into a my army. I expect to see A+ armies and plan for them every year because that is what NHSD is... It would be like banning what you can and can't bring to GC. NHSD is ran across the country and is a well known event, and to me it just wouldn't have the same feel if I didn't expect A grade tourny ready armies... It's like at GC, every year they have different sub tournaments where they switch it up, but there is always a main event where people bring there A game.

That said, I really do love some of the ideas that are being suggested. I would love to try them and set one up, heck I would even be willing to host a event in my garage. But NHSD is NHSD *shrugs*

Xotli
October 21st, 2010, 03:30 AM
It's just that to me NHSD is the only yearly event where I actually put thought into a my army.

I don't think anyone is arguing that NHSD shouldn't be serious. But that doesn't really have anything to do with the format.

I expect to see A+ armies and plan for them every year because that is what NHSD is... It would be like banning what you can and can't bring to GC. NHSD is ran across the country and is a well known event, and to me it just wouldn't have the same feel if I didn't expect A grade tourny ready armies...

I think somehow we've gotten a false impression of what NHSD "is". Let's go through the NHSD threads one by one and see what really is being run across the country:


Hexes in Texas: uses glyphs
Vancouver/Portland: allows Marvel
Northeast: "Royal Rumble" format (single elimination, concurrent rounds)
Tree Town Open: uses glyphs, trees act like jungle pieces
Eastern PA: rolling rumble format (no time limit, concurrent rounds), general specific armies, half must be unique
Florida Frenzy: uses glyphs, subtract 1 from your strength of schedule if you use A+ units and/or if you use more 3 of the same common squad
Columbus: uses glyphs
Bay Area Brawl: uses glyphs, "army swap" format (use the army you brought first round, get someone else's army randomly every round thereafter)
South Florida: only 1 A+ unit per army, army size increases for the final four round
Rocky Mountain Rumble: allows Marvel, rolling rumble format
Madison: max 4x Deathreavers, whole card scoring
Toronto: must have at least 1 unique hero, cycle through 5 different scenarios: capture the flag, kill the general, treasure hunt, save the prisoner, king of the hill
Michigan: nothing special
Seattle: forgotten figures get a treasure glyph, two separate tourneys with interaction between the two
NJ: general-specific armies with one ally
Utah: uses glyphs
Louisville: uses glyphs, max 1 Marvel figure
Lawton/Fort Sill: direct rotation format (everyone plays everyone else once)
Peoria: general specific armies, uses glyphs, whole card scoring
Arkansas: 50 pt army size penalty for using Q9, old Raelin, or Deathreavers
Indianapolis: army must have 1 dragon
Great Cape Scape: uses glyphs, no A+ units, add 1 to your strength of schedule if you don't include more than 3 of the same common squad, whole card scoring
Long Island: uses glyphs, allows Marvel, can use different armies
Nyscopba: can't tell
Wichita: heroes only


And that's literally every event that was posted in the NHSD subforum. Let's face it, people: we have one of the most boring formats in the country.

I'm not sure I can really add anything to that, except to reiterate that we're taking one of the most versatile, fun games on the planet and making it pretty much the same thing over and over again every year. Honestly, I don't really have that much fun at NHSD; I just come to hang out and enjoy the social aspect. And SSX has apparently given up playing altogether. Who wants to mathematically analyze every unit combination trying to counter Q9 and Stingers? Not me.

S1R_ART0R1US
October 21st, 2010, 01:48 PM
And that's literally every event that was posted in the NHSD subforum. Let's face it, people: we have one of the most boring formats in the country.

I'm not sure I can really add anything to that, except to reiterate that we're taking one of the most versatile, fun games on the planet and making it pretty much the same thing over and over again every year. Honestly, I don't really have that much fun at NHSD; I just come to hang out and enjoy the social aspect. And SSX has apparently given up playing altogether. Who wants to mathematically analyze every unit combination trying to counter Q9 and Stingers? Not me.

You have a good point, we do have the most vanilla tournament. I say we add glyphs and have a 1 hero 100 points or more restriction.

CharosInCharge
October 21st, 2010, 05:18 PM
Xotli,
I wasn't trying to compare SoCal Slaughter to every other NHSD event. All I meant was that with the current restrictions I expect to see A+ armies.

For the most part it seems like most other NHSD events play with glyph's or allow mixed Marvel. The only really odd one to me is

Bay Area Brawl: uses glyphs, "army swap" format (use the army you brought first round, get someone else's army randomly every round thereafter)


I'm not trying to argue with anyone or anything like that. I would be ok with setting a common squad limit of 3 max of the same common. or making a list ahead of time of units that are not available for NHSD, or making a list of all A+ units and only allowing 1 per army, or glyph's, or making armies general specific. But at the end of the day it is still a tournament, and I hope we don't change that to drastically.

S1R_ART0R1US
October 21st, 2010, 05:54 PM
Xotli,
I wasn't trying to compare SoCal Slaughter to every other NHSD event. All I meant was that with the current restrictions I expect to see A+ armies.

For the most part it seems like most other NHSD events play with glyph's or allow mixed Marvel. The only really odd one to me is

Bay Area Brawl: uses glyphs, "army swap" format (use the army you brought first round, get someone else's army randomly every round thereafter)


I'm not trying to argue with anyone or anything like that. I would be ok with setting a common squad limit of 3 max of the same common. or making a list ahead of time of units that are not available for NHSD, or making a list of all A+ units and only allowing 1 per army, or glyph's, or making armies general specific. But at the end of the day it is still a tournament, and I hope we don't change that to drastically.

To be fair, most of NorCal's events don't follow standard tournament procedures. I'm from there, and I don't think I've ever played in a standard format tournament. My Tournament Results post (link in my signature) details quite a few of them.

Xotli
October 22nd, 2010, 12:08 PM
You have a good point, we do have the most vanilla tournament. I say we add glyphs and have a 1 hero 100 points or more restriction.

See, that would be fine with me. I'll admit that I love some of those even wackier ideas, but I'm perfectly happy to take it slow. As long as I'm seeing some progress in what I think is the right direction, that's all I really care about. :) (E.g., year before last, we came up with the backup army idea, so that seemed like progress. This year, nothin' again, so here I am bitching and moaning. :D)

Xotli,
I wasn't trying to compare SoCal Slaughter to every other NHSD event.

Sure, I understand. LIS before, FTMP you just have convenient posts for me to attach my argument to, so please don't take it personally. I thoroughly enjoyed our game together, and I want to stress that I'm not IN ANY WAY trying to say that you only won because of the units you were or weren't allowed to bring. You're a better player than I am, plain and simple, and I don't have any problem admitting that.

That having been said, I will now proceed to hang the remainder of my arguments on your post, primarily because no one else on your side of the debate (and I know several people agree with you) stepped up. :D

All I meant was that with the current restrictions I expect to see A+ armies.

I guess this is our primary difference. I guess I really don't want to see A+ armies. If "A+ army" meant "the best army put together by the brightest Heroscape tacticians," then, yeah, I'd love to see those. But, in practice, what it means is "endless variations on armies built around the same 3 or 4 units every time." Q9 and Raelin and Stingers, oh my! I think I'm sort of sick of seeing A+ armies at this point.

For the most part it seems like most other NHSD events play with glyph's or allow mixed Marvel.

Sure. Either of those would be a step up for us IMHO.

The only really odd one to me is

Bay Area Brawl: uses glyphs, "army swap" format (use the army you brought first round, get someone else's army randomly every round thereafter)

Yeah, that one is damn cool. :D But there are actually several in there that are just as cool, I think. Top of my list of "places I would have loved to attend a tourney at this year" are Toronto, Seattle, and Long Island (and San Fran). Lots of people are doing restrictions on certain units, or advantages if you stay away from them. Two or three rolling rumble formats, a couple of general-specific requirements, one "heroes only" battle ... there's a whole lot of coolness in there.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone or anything like that.

Dude, I know. :) As I said, you just happened to step into one of my pet rants, that I bring up every year, and no one else is saying anything for me to hook my points to, and did I mention I'm a Scorpio? :D We're not fighting, you and I, we're just using each other as a convenient way to air out these issues in a public forum. You, sir, are a good sport and an excellent player who utterly deserved his second place finish. My hat's off to you.

I would be ok with setting a common squad limit of 3 max of the same common. or making a list ahead of time of units that are not available for NHSD, or making a list of all A+ units and only allowing 1 per army, or glyph's, or making armies general specific. But at the end of the day it is still a tournament, and I hope we don't change that to drastically.

Fair enough. Maybe it's worth taking a moment or two to see if we can come up with what exactly what is required for an NHSD tourny to be a true, NHSD tourney, to us SoCal'ers. Here's my suggestions:


It has to be serious. In Long Island this year, they were all about "we're just having fun here!" Now, while I love that attitude personally, I think that even I have to draw the line for NHSD specifically. That should be the one gameday of the year where everyone brings their A game and the competition is serious.
There has to be a winner. It's a tournament, so obviously there has to be a champion crowned at the end.
There have to be prizes. I think this has just become an expectation for us here in SoCal. I've been to 3 tourneys here at this point and every player has gotten (at least one!) prize in every tourney. The idea that everyone gets something out of this experience is just awesome to me. I personally don't need a prize, but when I see that 7-year-old kid (who placed ahead of me in the tourney, BTW, and I don't have any trouble saying it) getting to pluck his prize off the table, that makes me proud to be part of this group.
There have to be rules. Because it's serious (see point #1), we need to keep our attention to detail in our format description. I saw of loosey-goosey tourney descriptions in my trek through the NHSD subforum, and I kept thinking, what if people have a disagreement about the rules, or what if one of your dice hits the floor and comes up with a skull? Rules keep things civilized, and civilized is good.
I can't think of anything else. Seriously. What else do we need?


To be fair, most of NorCal's events don't follow standard tournament procedures. I'm from there, and I don't think I've ever played in a standard format tournament. My Tournament Results post (link in my signature) details quite a few of them.

Yeah, I'd love to be at that point one day. I'm just takin' it one step at a time. :)

hivelord
October 22nd, 2010, 03:02 PM
Alright Xotli, I'll bite.

I'm still not convinced we should change up NHSD that much but if we did...

I think the Army Swap tournament would be a really cool idea and would be a great way to both let people use some figures they might not usually use and it would be a true test of strategy to be able to use the figures you are given to the best of their ability.

Or: For an option no one has mentioned, we could do what I will call the "True Campaign" tourney. You will start with a draft pool of around 1000 points and draft your (450-500pt) army for each battle. We would use treasure glyphs and the second wind rules would apply. The idea being that you are controlling a full army rolling through battles and taking casualties. It would cut down on squadscape to an extent and be something new and interesting.

:shrug:

robbdaman
October 22nd, 2010, 07:02 PM
I for one don't get to play a lot which is part of why I'd prefer to not ban units and would like a changing army idea because it'd give me more things to play. Owning all the figures I do doesn't accomplish much when I only get to use a half dozen every year or 6 months. Some of the formats on the list of NHSDs are kinda lame IMO, the goofier and more limiting the less likely I am to want to play. I like the game as is so it'd be nice to be able to enjoy it in its most basic form. And for the record the fact that we don't use glyphs makes it unique and controls the boring/annoying rat swarm that would ensue if we used them.

Xn F M
October 23rd, 2010, 12:43 AM
Alright Xotli, I'll bite.

I'm still not convinced we should change up NHSD that much but if we did...

I think the Army Swap tournament would be a really cool idea and would be a great way to both let people use some figures they might not usually use and it would be a true test of strategy to be able to use the figures you are given to the best of their ability.

Or: For an option no one has mentioned, we could do what I will call the "True Campaign" tourney. You will start with a draft pool of around 1000 points and draft your (450-500pt) army for each battle. We would use treasure glyphs and the second wind rules would apply. The idea being that you are controlling a full army rolling through battles and taking casualties. It would cut down on squadscape to an extent and be something new and interesting.

:shrug:

That is an interesting idea, but it has some issues when people get paired down. If Jimmy Dean A, 3-1 gets paired with Joe Blow B, 2-2, then those extra treasure glyphs could cause some inter-bracket balance issues.*

I for one don't get to play a lot which is part of why I'd prefer to not ban units and would like a changing army idea because it'd give me more things to play. Owning all the figures I do doesn't accomplish much when I only get to use a half dozen every year or 6 months. Some of the formats on the list of NHSDs are kinda lame IMO, the goofier and more limiting the less likely I am to want to play. I like the game as is so it'd be nice to be able to enjoy it in its most basic form. And for the record the fact that we don't use glyphs makes it unique and controls the boring/annoying rat swarm that would ensue if we used them.

I agree here. NHSD is sort of like GenCon for those of us that can't go, it's the best of the best in our local regions. I would like to see it stay as a somewhat traditional tournament. I would absolutely love for a few more regular tourneys to show up, possibly with some more radical rule sets. Quartly SoCal tourneys would be ****ing awesome.**

*I am not OK in any way what-so-ever with someone having a mechanical advantage over someone in a lower bracket. Players that can get total army kills will be more likely to collect more treasure glphs, which would allow them to collect more treasure glyphs. (I'm assuming that retaining treasure glyphs would be allowed under this system, that's the impression I get from your post though.)

**I might even be able to drum up bigger carpools for more regular tournaments.

King of the Marro
October 23rd, 2010, 02:18 AM
Weelllll since everyone's here if you guys feel like driving to Mission Sunday there'll be some friendly scape going on.

robbdaman
October 23rd, 2010, 03:09 PM
Format choices aside it was a great event last weekend. Here are some pics of things! :)

Before things got started! Hextr1p woke up early to drive us down, he looks like he used the force to do so. Zzzzzz....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/NHSD%202010/PA070004.jpg

Prize Trophies! Our last place. uh winner?.. was very excited about winning the DW9K blown to bits. ;)
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Repaints!
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Games abound! Lots of fun going on here, the little 'scapers were great. Always awesome to have the next generation of gamers enjoying themselves!
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Gathering for prizes! Lots of good booty!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/NHSD%202010/PA070033.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/NHSD%202010/PA070034.jpg

Leotheanimal87
October 24th, 2010, 02:54 AM
Great pics Robbdaman! I'm in some of them :) Also I will be scaping with King of the Marro tomorrow so if anyone is down hit us up.

hextr1p
October 25th, 2010, 01:24 PM
Great pics Robbdaman!
Agreed! Thanks for posting the pics, Rob.

Yeah, wow... I don't look all that awake in the first pic, do I?

SgtHulka
October 25th, 2010, 11:21 PM
I just wanted to mention that an army swap tournament would keep my kids out of it. :cry: They had an awesome time...I expected one or the other would get bored and drop out, but neither did. But suddenly getting handed an army they don't understand and having to read all the cards would overwhelm them. It took my daughter about three games to get up to speed with her elf army. My son got up to speed more quickly with rats and Q9 because, well, they were rats and Q9, but also because he'd had a couple of games to practice with me before hand.

robbdaman
October 26th, 2010, 02:23 AM
Sgt, I'm sure we could easily make exceptions for the Juniorscapers to make it easier for them that no one would have a problem with. We have to keep it fun for everyone. 8)

warriorneedsfoodbadly
October 28th, 2010, 10:31 AM
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Okay, my computer-challenged self has finally gotten up my awful pictures and video to Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJ7EYA0pJk. Had to open a new account since apparently you can't reset forgotten Youtube passwords?

warriorneedsfoodbadly
March 4th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Please vote on choosing a preferred date for a game day next month either in my apartment's clubhouse or at a different location.
Thanks,
wnfb
http://www.heroscapers.com/community...79#post1356779 (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1356779#post1356779)

GamerHusband
August 16th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Well the date is getting closer, is it time to start talking about the 2011 Socal Slaughter? Looks like the date is set to be 10/15/11!!!

hivelord
August 17th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Well the date is getting closer, is it time to start talking about the 2011 Socal Slaughter!! Looks like the date is set to be 10/15/11.

Yeah! Lets talk, shall we? Date sounds good as any. Scape is always a blast, and I need to play some more.

We should think about a format. Personally I'm up for anything. Classic, classic with marvel, classic with C3G... some awesomely original format like an army swap or something? Lets mix it up!

Leotheanimal87
August 17th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Well the date is getting closer, is it time to start talking about the 2011 Socal Slaughter!! Looks like the date is set to be 10/15/11.

I say let's keep the tradition going and keep it where it is and how it is. But I'm open to change as well.

CharosInCharge
August 17th, 2011, 09:07 PM
Please no army swap :/

GamerHusband
August 17th, 2011, 11:40 PM
I like the format of the last two years. Its always been a blast. I think what we need right now is to figure out the location.

hextr1p
August 18th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Is there any reason why the tournament wouldn't be held at WarriorNeedsFoodBadly's place? That's where the event has happened the last 2-3 years, and it suits the needs of the majority.

S1R_ART0R1US
August 18th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Maybe to switch around the format a little bit we could do a modified draft. Each player has a core army of say 400 points and has a 300 or so point draft pool to draft an extra 120 points of units. Drafting order would be timed, with a d20 determining order.

Example:
I bring a core of Cyprien Nilfheim Stingers x1 (395) and a draft pool of Sonya, Raelin, Stingers x2 Marro Warriors (295).

My opponent brings Rats x1 Raelin Q9 Krav (400) and a draft pool of Rats x2, Fen Hydra, James Murphy and Marcu (295).

We roll d20s and I win with a 20 to his 1. I pick one unit, then he picks, and so on until we've selected our last 120 points. Even though I could draft to a total of 520 like my opponent, my core is 5 points light so my max is thus 515.

I'm not picky about the points I threw out there (although after writing that it seems like the draft pool should be a bit bigger). Thoughts?

robbdaman
August 19th, 2011, 04:13 AM
I know we always talk about varying formats and some people get left out. I've always been up for the simplicity of a basic classic game since I don't get to play that often. I'm not sure if there is a way to give everyone what they want to play but we certainly could try something different or even unique to add to it all. Back in my D&D Miniatures days we had a game series called the Grand Campaign where we played a series of games using the 100 point, 200 point and 500 point formats. How about something like this:

GRAND CAMPAIGN!

Players pick a large pool of 750 points of army figures they can utilize and list on their army sheets. From that pool they create an army for that round of battle.

Round 1 - 350 points of available miniatures in your pool.
Round 2 - 450 points of available miniatures in your pool.
Round 3 - 550 points of available miniatures in your pool.
Round 4 - 650 points of available miniatures in your pool. (Marvel allowed)
Round 5 - 750 points of available miniatures in your pool. (Marvel allowed)

This forces players to create an army pool that is varied enough to change each round without complete limitations on what army they will play and gives those who have always been clamoring for something different and/or to include Marvel a chance to do so. In effect players end up drafting from their own pool rather than their own and their opponent's, the strategies of which may be a tad complex for less experienced/younger players. Any thoughts?

CharosInCharge
August 22nd, 2011, 02:42 AM
The problem I see with bringing a core army and having everyone draft from a pile of figures to add to the core is time time time... It takes away from our precious game time :D So Cal NHSD has been between 20-35 people the last 2-3 years and the time it would take to have everyone there asses there core and draft from the pool could easily take away a hour from tourney play. Plus it could be unfair to some of our younger players (Boy and girl Hulka, SSX) to play with a army they may not be to familiar with.

I tend to like just a straight up tournament where you plan out your army ahead of time and see what it can do in a tournament.

If anything I say we adopt the Restricted List (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35168) to limit all of the tried and true A+ units from flooding every battle.

I think the hexes in texas group is talking about doing this as well.

Would be nice to see what armies people bring when they can't use the 20 most commonly played units in Heroscape.

I wouldn't see a reason to change WNFB's venue, unless he is unable to host it this year then we would need a plan b, and quick!

Hope to see you all again soon.

robbdaman
August 22nd, 2011, 04:34 PM
See I feel that would just increase the prevalence of other units that are listed as or on the edge of being "A". I can already determine if we use that list that Axegrinders would be ready to mop the floor with a lot of people.

I don't see my idea as being that complicated it just makes people plan ahead a bit more. Armies don't have to be a complex machine it can be a Hydra, Cyrprien, Airborne Elite, Major Q9, Krav Maga, Finn and Isamu for instance. If players figure out what they want to use for each point set ahead of time it makes it easier. I also figure that the lower point rounds will take less time as there is less to kill. The idea of increasing possible points each round would make for a little more bookkeeping but it gives players who lose early on the ability to make up a lot more points later and overcome to even possibly win. Just some things to think about. ;)

CharosInCharge
August 22nd, 2011, 05:56 PM
robdaman - I was referring to SIR_ARTORIUS idea about having a core and everyone draft from a pool once they are there.

The scaled army idea isn't bad. gencon does something similar right? Where if you make it to day 2 you can add another unit to your army.

The problem I see with adding units each round where as in round 1 you play with 350 pts and by round 5 you more then double your army size to 750 is the time it would take as the rounds go on. We would have to more then double the round time by round 5. I don't really have a problem with this, but others who may be on a time limit might.

A traditional tournament is still the way to go for NHSD in my opinion :)

Has anyone heard from WNFB? Let's get the ball rolling so we can add So Cal Slaughter to the list of confirmed events in Rychen's prize support thread :D

warriorneedsfoodbadly
August 22nd, 2011, 09:20 PM
Just put up this year's NHSD thread,
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1466748#post1466748
Please visit and post.
Thanks,
wnfb

boom
August 23rd, 2011, 12:55 PM
One format I always wanted to try was the "make the worst 400-point-or-so army you possibly could then swapping with your opponent before the game" approach. It gets the rarely used figures dusted-off and you would not see Q9, blasts, dragons all day.

Xotli
August 24th, 2011, 12:27 AM
One format I always wanted to try was the "make the worst 400-point-or-so army you possibly could then swapping with your opponent before the game" approach. It gets the rarely used figures dusted-off and you would not see Q9, blasts, dragons all day.

I'd be all for that.

robbdaman
August 24th, 2011, 02:09 AM
The army swap idea leaves some people cold and could be very confusing to the young players which I do understand and agree with. I still like my Grand War idea but it also has drawbacks of being a tough play as everyone needs to plan ahead.

CharosInCharge
August 24th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Plus with that format you will play against the same army every single game. (the one you bring)

The restricted units list sounds like a better idea for a tournament to me, because at least then you can still make a competitive army with the C - B units rather then a tournament that is all about the worst army you could possibly make.

It would make for a great casual game, but kinda odd for a tournament structure.

boom
August 26th, 2011, 02:46 PM
See, part of the reason for the "junk" army is to get away from the competitive, tournament game. I'd have a heck of a lot more fun (which what this is all about) playing all day against the same army in a more casual manner then seeing different, but competetively built armies.

Bring the fun back!

King of the Marro
August 27th, 2011, 12:17 AM
I'm wouldn't mind a restricted list. (i.e. Making B+ the highest you can go)

Xotli
August 27th, 2011, 12:31 AM
See, part of the reason for the "junk" army is to get away from the competitive, tournament game. I'd have a heck of a lot more fun (which what this is all about) playing all day against the same army in a more casual manner then seeing different, but competetively built armies.

Bring the fun back!

Thank you.

Dallas has run this type of tournament in the past, I think even on NHSD. For those who think it wouldn't work, I mean.

CharosInCharge
August 27th, 2011, 02:15 AM
I just don't see whats fun about bringing the worst army possible to a tournament. I would find it very boring to be forced to play with different armies that have no synergy what so ever all day long.

A format that I think is along the same page as this, but better would be the double edged sword format.

Basically you bring whatever army you want. Before each round of play the tournament director will roll a D20. On a even roll everyone plays the army they brought. On a odd roll everyone swaps armies with their current opponent.

This is better/more fun to me then a trash army force swap because you will still see tournament caliber armies, but some people may not bring all A+ units because %50 of the time they will be playing against it...

:)

warriorneedsfoodbadly
September 22nd, 2015, 12:06 AM
This year's thread,
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=52245