I HATE FRENZY

[TyG17]

Ok heres your frenzy story... Another get together with playa1 come about with my new hatred of frenzy... Playa1 and I were up against two others... I drafted a samurai army, while playa1 drafted a vydar army with blast/glad sudema and jotun. We were up against an elf army w/ saylind and a viper army... (4 sets of venoc and 3 sets of armoc)

First turn the viper army moves a set of venoc with no frenzy BUT his second turn brings about the death of Jotun, 3 tagawa, a marro warrior, 2 gladiatons, and a blastatron... I think this amounted to 6 frenzies... and needless to say we never recovered from this devestation. later on in the game, the venocs did some more frenzying as well as those stupid archers...

I have decided that i HATE frenzy because whenever i choose a frenzy army nothing like this ever happens for me...

I have never had my army so thouroughly handed to me.

We played on my Infernal Wellspring map that you can find in my maps thread.

I am still dumbfounded...

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

It does suck to be on the receiving end of multiple Frenzies, but you gotta admit it's a thing of beauty to behold for the Frenzied player.

[teekay]

Originally Posted by TyG17

I have decided that i HATE frenzy because whenever i choose a frenzy army nothing like this ever happens for me....

Do you draft armies or bring pre-made ones?

Not that you can stop a Frenzy army, but you can draft against them or at the very least draft-to-deny.

[TyG17]

We draft armies and he picked mittens first turn. We also play only one unique per game and also only one army may have a common.

[Stealth Dodge]

If your opponent drafts Mittens in Round 1 then if you draft the Aubrien or Venocs on your turn you cut his options in 1/2. Warriors of Ashra + Raelin are a great counterdraft to that army. The vipers will take forever to kill the WOA and with 5 defense dice the aubrien should have extreme difficulty killing them since they only have 2 attack dice

[gamjuven]

well i'd agree that the elves and raelin are a great counterdraft to that army. i don't usually like counterdrafting by picking units that go with your opponents (ex: drafting venoc vipers if opponent drafts mittens), but the elves and raelin just work well. i personally hate the elves, they never do well. aubrien archers and venoc vipers with frenzy however, are always fun. but it does really really suck when you are at the receiving end of a bunch of frenzies. i myself have lost Q9, giblets, and 2 full squads of knights in one turn against them, and i thought Q9 would do awesome against the vipers. i killed 5 of them in my first turn, but then only killed 1 the next, and that's when the vipers frenzied all over the place, it sucked.

[ej]

I played with an Orc army for the first time today. Blade and Arrow Gruts, Mimring (who did squat - again!), Grimnak, Krug and the Swog Rider. Lost only one Blade Grut and Krug.

Bonding is the

[teekay]

As the others said before me, drafting-to-deny is a viable, but less entertaining, option compared to drafting for defense. Raelin is great in just about any army, throw in Grimnak and some Blade/Heavy Gruts and you'd have a Viper buffet.

[feekonea]

the key to beating the vipers is high defense melee units, and not neccisarly high attack, cuz the vipers have low defense. bonding is nice too. the WoA are perfect, just make sure your melee takes them out before you go to range. Trust me, Vipers are my favorite thing to roll with.

[stay_golden_PONYBOY]

Major Q-9 with a defensive bonus can smoke a ton of Vipers pretty quickly. in my house, he would have been drafted immediately for that kind of game.

[TyG17]

You are all saying this like we played a couple turns and i had time to attack... He had vipers swarming in on turn 2 not round 2. I had Raelin and a samurai build. He had 4 sets of venoc with an attack bonus AND height advantage... 6 frenzies of 5 attack each... i dont think you realize how devistating that is unless you are on the receiving end of it...

[Stealth Dodge]

DW8k vs Vipers is possibly better than Q9