Braxas for the rules lawyers

[Neurosion]

The following is clear:

1) Braxas's acid breath is a special power, and therefore can be used against non-adjacent figures even if she is adjacent to another figure
2) When attacking an adjacent figure, line of sight is not required

Clearly, we understand the deliberate distinction between special POWER and special ATTACK. We discovered yesterday that Braxas can not see (as in "clear sight") certain figures standing directly behind her. We know that she can ATTACK that figure. Can she can use her POWER against that figure?

[Khanbob42]

Poisonous Acid Breath
Instead of attacking, you may choose up to 3 different small or medium figures within 4 clear sight spaces of Braxas. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die for each chosen figure. If the chosen figure is a Squad figure and you roll an 8 or higher, destroy it. If the chosen figure is a Hero figure and you roll a 17 or higher, destroy the chosen Hero.

choose = target

As far as I understand it targeting a figure works much the same way for a special attack as it does for a special ability. Since you can attack an adjacent figure without LOS it stands to reason that in order to attack them you first have to target them and thus if you can target an adjacent figure without LOS then you can target an adjacent figure without LOS for a special ability also.

Or so I thinks...

[netherspirit]

Poisonous Acid Breath
Instead of attacking, you may choose up to 3 different small or medium figures within 4 clear sight spaces of Braxas. One at a time, roll the 20-sided die for each chosen figure. If the chosen figure is a Squad figure and you roll an 8 or higher, destroy it. If the chosen figure is a Hero figure and you roll a 17 or higher, destroy the chosen Hero.

I am fairly certain she has to be able to see them. Since this isn't an attack I don't think it follows the normal, no LOS required when adjacent. Especially since it specifies in the wording that the figure needs to be within 4 clear sight spaces, which is defined in the rulebook.

[Khanbob42]

Do you need Line of Sight when attacking an engaged opponent?
No, once you are engaged to an opponents figure, you do not need line of sight.

Do engagement rules apply to Poisonous Acid Breath?
No because Poisonous Acid Breath is not a Special Attack.

However these two seem to contradict what I said above just a bit. I think, though, that through discussion on here you will find that my first post comes across as the correct answer.

[Khanbob42]

Oh, well I see nether beat me to my second post. He may in fact be correct as I forgot about the clear sight spaces ruling.

[netherspirit]

Originally Posted by Khanbob42

Do you need Line of Sight when attacking an engaged opponent?
No, once you are engaged to an opponents figure, you do not need line of sight.

Do engagement rules apply to Poisonous Acid Breath?
No because Poisonous Acid Breath is not a Special Attack.

However these two seem to contradict what I said above just a bit. I think, though, that through discussion on here you will find that my first post comes across as the correct answer.

They don't contradict each other, they are answering different questions.

The first question pertains to attacking. This is not an attack...

The second question and answer there is referring to engagement rules applied to attacking. Normally when a figure is engaged with another figure they HAVE to attack that figure, since this isn't an attack it isn't bound by those rules. Thats what that is answering...

[Ketch]

My question would be to the poster,
What is blocking LOS but allows them to be adjacent?

If there is a Ruin between them, then they both have to be taller than the ruin to be adjacent in the first place. And if they are taller, they would have LOS (I guess you could make some freaky weird situation where a dragon or kyrie has their wings in the way of the entire figure.

I just want to highlight that rule first, in case a mistake was made there.

[Eclipse]

Has anyone ever asked if Braxas and Nilfheim can use their horns as targetting points or is that rule specific to Mimring?

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by Ketch

My question would be to the poster,
What is blocking LOS but allows them to be adjacent?

If there is a Ruin between them, then they both have to be taller than the ruin to be adjacent in the first place. And if they are taller, they would have LOS (I guess you could make some freaky weird situation where a dragon or kyrie has their wings in the way of the entire figure.

I just want to highlight that rule first, in case a mistake was made there.

Ketch, I'm just guessing, but it at least seems possible that small figures might be blocked by her body if they were behind her or that a fig like Taelord might have wings in the way...

~Aldin

[Khanbob42]

Originally Posted by netherspirit

They don't contradict each other, they are answering different questions.

The first question pertains to attacking. This is not an attack...

The second question and answer there is referring to engagement rules applied to attacking. Normally when a figure is engaged with another figure they HAVE to attack that figure, since this isn't an attack it isn't bound by those rules. Thats what that is answering...

Ahh, I see. I was wrong again.

Thanks for clearing this up nether. My group actually had a similar situation occur and went with the ruling I said above but now I know differently

[Homba]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Has anyone ever asked if Braxas and Nilfheim can use their horns as targetting points or is that rule specific to Mimring?

I don't believe anyone has ever asked. It should be asked. Until clarified, I would assume any dragon could target with horns, because I believe Mimring was the only dragon in the game when the ruling was made.

[Eclipse]

That's how I've played it. The dragons in question all have long snakelike necks. I assume the "target from horns" ruling exists only to allow them to turn their neck.