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Old December 23rd, 2011, 11:43 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

I'm just thinking that a figure can potentially benefit from a lot of friendly defensive auras and powers already (Professor X, Invisible Woman, Shadowcat, Count Vertigo) as well as lot of defensive powers of their own (Evasive Strike, Speed Dodge, etc.). I'm just not sure if I'm keen on adding another passive defensive aura power that friendlies can benefit from and that can be added to the mix with all the others ... I mean, I'm sure we'll add another eventually, but I just want to make sure we consider all the angles when we do so.


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Old December 23rd, 2011, 11:57 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

Also, Black Cat isn't really a team player like the X-Men. I'd much prefer her power to help herself only.


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Old December 23rd, 2011, 11:59 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

OK, so the concern is creating too many aura powers, and not with how it would function. I'm good with that.

So we have (I reworded the Bad Luck power slightly to make it a bit more consistent with official wording):

Black Cat
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Life 4
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 4
Defense 5

Points 150??

CAT BURGLAR
Black Cat can move through all figures and never takes leaving engagement attacks. After moving and before attacking, if there is not a glyph on this card, you may choose a figure that Black Cat moved through this turn with an Equipment Glyph on its card and place that glyph on this card.

EXPERT CLIMBING
When counting spaces for Black Cat's movement, elevation changes up to 2 levels count as one space. You may ignore Black Cat's height of 4 when climbing. Black Cat never takes falling damage or major falling damage.

BAD LUCK 13
Any time Black Cat would receive 1 or more wounds from a normal attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, you may ignore all wounds and the attacking figure receives one wound.


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

Bad Luck 13 just sounds like a weird power title. It sounds like she's the one with the bad luck.


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Old December 23rd, 2011, 12:07 PM
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

Looks good to me.

Edit: Maybe a return to the "Aura" in the power title?


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

Is that really how her Bad Luck Aura works, though? I see it mess enemies up (like break their guns or make them misfire) but I've never seen it kill/knock out a guy.


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Old December 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

I was just ordering my first C3G miniatures for the holidays, and got Black Cat along with 28 others. When my units arrive, could I post some pictures for card disign use? Also, I think Cause Bad Luck 13 would be the name for the power.


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

I realize I may be harping here, but I think that the most fun and simplest way to represent her Bad Luck is the re-rolling of opponents defense and attack dice. As Johnny said, her aura doesn't really cause automatic damage, it causes something that the person is trying to do to mess up a little, which may end up hurting them.


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

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I realize I may be harping here, but I think that the most fun and simplest way to represent her Bad Luck is the re-rolling of opponents defense and attack dice. As Johnny said, her aura doesn't really cause automatic damage, it causes something that the person is trying to do to mess up a little, which may end up hurting them.
I think the Heroes want to avoid another dice re-rolling mechanic, as Scarlet Witch and Probability Manipulator already have them, and it gets wonky when it stacks.

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Is that really how her Bad Luck Aura works, though? I see it mess enemies up (like break their guns or make them misfire) but I've never seen it kill/knock out a guy.
Personally, I would take it as say, a Street Thug lines up a shot and the round explodes in the chamber. Although it is a bit weird that it happens after the wounds are 'inflicted'.

How about:
BAD LUCK!
If Black Cat would receive any number of wounds from a normal attack, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, ignore those wounds and you may choose an adjacent figure to receive 1 wound.

This way it feels different from Bats' "you shot at me but I dodged and here's a batarang in your eye for the trouble", and more like, "you thought you were gonna hit me, but at the last second I dodged and you hit yourself/your buddy".

EDIT: To make it even clearer, you could go with:
BAD LUCK!
If Black Cat would receive 1 or more wounds from a normal attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, ignore those wounds and you may choose an adjacent figure who is not the attacking figure to receive one of those wounds.


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

Good point Swamper, thanks for the input. Perhaps something like the Scarlet Witch with some sort of CounterAttack like power. Just remembered I vowed to stay out of this discussion,
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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

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BAD LUCK!
If Black Cat would receive 1 or more wounds from a normal attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, ignore those wounds and you may choose an adjacent figure who is not the attacking figure to receive one of those wounds.
I think this is the best idea so far, but I think it should be called Bad Luck 13. From what I can tell, C3G has gone with the style Hasbro and WOTC gave us so far.


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Re: The Book of Black Cat ~ Design Phase

If you guys really want the dice rerolling I think it could work if it requires a D20 roll of 13+ from Black Cat to trigger it and if it only works on Black Cat (couldn't stack with Scarlet Witch, then, and wouldn't be any worse than Scarlet Witch stacking with the Probability Manipulator).

In fact, I think I'd lean towards that over the auto wound ...


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