The Book of Creeper

[tcglkn]

The Book of Creeper

C3G DC PUBLIC EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION 2
CREATURES AND CREEPERS

Comic PDF

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Justice League set.
Its model number and name are #003 / Creeper.

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Character Bio - Jack Ryder is a former Gotham City television talk show host fired due to his outspoken nature. Finding employment in network security, he attempts to rescue a scientist named Dr. Yatz whom mobsters have kidnapped in order to obtain his newest discoveries. The chief mobster hosts a masquerade party at his mansion. To gain entry, Ryder improvises a costume from yellow tights and facial make-up designed to look like skin, a green wig and trunks, and red gloves, boots, and furry cloak. Ryder locates Yatz inside, but the mobsters detect him and open fire, wounding Ryder. Yatz injects Ryder with a serum and implants a device in his wound. The serum confers the power to almost instantly heal any wound and grants Ryder enhanced strength and agility. The device, used with its activator, causes the costume to disappear, leaving Ryder naked. Yatz inadvertently leaves the activator out of the wound, but does not realize this until after the tissues had healed. At this point, the mobsters find their victims again, this time killing Yatz. Ryder discovers that with the activator, he can regain the wild costume whenever he wishes. With it, a crazy laugh and his enhanced physical abilities, he has no trouble routing the crooks.

The eventual revision of The Creeper's origin eliminated the serum and claims that the scientist surgically implanted two devices (some accounts claim a single device with two effects) that enhance Ryder's physical abilities and can recreate an object whose "imprint" is stored in its circuitry. The scientist performs this surgery to save Ryder's life after criminals he was investigating attacked and drugged him. Because the scientist is unaware of the drugs in Ryder's system he inadvertently recorded their "imprint" at the same time he recorded the "imprint" of the costume. Thus the device that recreates Ryder's costume when he becomes The Creeper also recreates the drugs in his system, explaining the Creeper's odd personality. These drugs so overwhelm Ryder's system that their effect becomes cumulative and the Creeper gradually becomes more irrational. When the Creeper changes back to Jack Ryder, the drugs disappear and with them, the psychosis. Eventually, Ryder comes to believe that he and the Creeper are two entirely different people instead of two roles played by the same man; he also holds this belief in his Creeper persona, which becomes increasingly disdainful of "Jack Ryder." The Creeper once regained his rationality while bound by Wonder Woman's magic lasso, but the implications of this have never been explored.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Synergy Benefits Received

Classic:

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Marvel:

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C3G:

• As a figure with the Insane personality, Creeper is immune to and can be equipped with the Glyph of Smilex.
• As a figure with the Insane personality, Creeper can be moved and activated by Hugo Strange's Insane Provocation special power.
• As a figure with the Insane personality, Creeper can be mutated by Hugo Strange's Mutagenic Experiment special power.
• As an Insane Unique Hero, Creeper can take a turn after the Joker Goons with their All Part of the Plan special power.

Synergy Benefits Offered

Classic:

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Marvel:

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C3G:

• As a figure with the Insane personlity, Creeper may allow Harley Quinn to use her Insane Devotion to take a turn.

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[-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• As an Insane figure, Creeper is immune to a number of abilities, such as Beast's Negotiation and Yellow Lantern (Thaal Sinestro)'s Force of Fear Special Attack.

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial Playtest: Griffin
• Second Playtest: All Your Pie
• Third Playtest: tcglkn

[SirGalahad]

Random thoughts -

Another Insane figure - what does that say about you?

150 points seems a bit much -
Drake 1 is 5-5-1-6-3 for 110 with a better defensive power
Creeper is 5-7-1-6-3 (2 more move) and gets worse the more you use him in a round

The added move will get him to height quicker, but you're more likely to lose an attack, and 4 defense (3 + height) won't stand up for very long.

I like the concept, and if we do end up keeping it, the power name should probably be PROGRESSIVE PSYCHOSIS.

I just think he needs something to make me want to draft him.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

Another Insane figure - what does that say about you?

I haven't designed an insane figure yet. This is my first of many to come

[Hahma]

From DC Comic Database it looks like he should have a Healing Factor special power and maybe a Pain Induced Laugh Special Attack or Maniacal Laugh Special Attack.

6 seems a little high for him as he seems like he's just punching people. Sure it says superstrength, but I can't see him being like Colossus strong or Wonder Woman Strong. Perhaps an attack of 5 might be a little better.

I don't know how much of a badass he's supposed to be in the comics as I have never heard of him until this thread. So ignore me if I'm off base with my comments.

If you bump his defense to 4, then between that and his move of 7 getting him to good position (either height or getting a first attack and climbing), that might be enough to represent his agility, as well as having 5 lives. So you might be able to lose Stealth Dodge.

If you get rid of Stealth Dodge, I would think you can fit in Healing Factor power since it at least seems pretty iconic for him on the DC database. You could also give him maybe a Maniacal Laugh Special Attack of 3 with a range of all figures within 2 clear sight spaces of him.

I think the Progressive Psychosis looks kind of neat, I don't know how iconic it is, but if it is, then it looks cool.

So just my 2 cents here,

Life 5
Move 7
Range 1
Attack 5
Defense 4
Cost?

Progressive Psychosis

Maniacal Laugh Special Attack

Healing Factor

Super Strength

[tcglkn]

The more time he spends in his suit as Creeper, the more insane he gets, that was the idea of Progressive Psychosis.

I agree a Healing Factor and Special Attack are need, I didn't look at the DC database cause I couldn't find it from the DC website. All my info came from Wikipedia.

[SirGalahad]

Or you could go with a special power:

I LAUGH 'TIL YOU HURT
Instead of attacking, roll the 20-sided die for each figure within two spaces of Creeper, one at a time. If you roll 14 or higher, the figure receives one wound.


just spitballin'

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

Or you could go with a special power:

I LAUGH 'TIL YOU HURT
Instead of attacking, roll the 20-sided die for each figure within two spaces of Creeper, one at a time. If you roll 14 or higher, the figure receives one wound.


just spitballin'

Thats a good idea, I added a Special Attack for now. (And it probably needs major wording help )

[quozl]

I don't see his Attack being higher than Spider-Man's.

[IAmBatman]

Some random thoughts ...

1) Any chance on convincing you to change the class to Interloper (I could see some future Outsider synergies around that class). Basically, an Interloper is someone who sticks their nose in where it doesn't belong - an Outsider trying to get inside.

2) I'm glad we made the Healing Factor change - that was going to be a suggestion of mine as well. But look at the wording on Deathstroke to make sure you're consistent.

3) Some thoughts on jazzing up Progressive Psychosis and his special attack:

PROGRESSIVE PSYCHOSIS
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn with Creeper, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-5 place an Insanity Marker on this card. After placing a fourth Insanity Marker on this card, choose an opponent. That opponent now controls Creeper. Remove any Insanity Markers and Order Markers on this card, then give the card to that opponent.

MANIACAL LAUGH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 0 + special.
When attacking with Maniacal Laugh, all skulls rolled count for one additional hit. Add one die to Creeper's Maniacal Laugh Special Attack for each Insanity Marker on this card.

I figure that progressive insanity first helping him attack more savagely, then ultimately acting as his undoing might be a good way to go here.

[IAmBatman]

I'd also lower his move to 6 and his normal attack to 4. He's not a heavy hitter and he doesn't have super speed.

Edit: Possible comic art

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...33-creeper.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...53-creeper.JPG

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...88-creeper.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...93-creeper.jpg

[quozl]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

PROGRESSIVE PSYCHOSIS
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn with Creeper, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-5 place an Insanity Marker on this card. After placing a fourth Insanity Marker on this card, choose an opponent. That opponent now controls Creeper. Remove any Insanity Markers and Order Markers on this card, then give the card to that opponent.

I like this a lot! But how about making him Hulk-lite instead of the Maniacal Laugh?

When The Creeper attacks using a normal attack, he receives one extra attack die for each Insanity Marker on this Army Card.

P.S. I like the first comic art the best.

[Balantai]

I'd like to see Creeper with some sort of movement based power. Something to represent his incredible climbing or leaping.

Otherwise, I really like where Bats took Creeper. I'm starting to think markers are getting a bit out of hand, but in this case, I really like the mechanic.