The Book of Estivara

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by killercactus

1) Sujoah is tougher than either one, but not both combined. Wyvern + Estivara will survive longer than Sujoah does.

2) I'll take an attack of 4 + Venomous Sting + 3 boosted Spider attacks any day of the week over Poison Sting against pretty much any hero. If that hero is Small/Medium, the Wyvern might get to reposition it, too. I don't plan on attacking with Estivara very often - I'll use Venom Ray on a turn where I need to reposition her, or out of desperation, but thats about it.

1) Mebbe, but it's close. The other factor here is that losing either the Wyvern or Estivara makes you less effective, with the Wyvern obviously being the worse of the two losses. Your OM management is also more complicated, but since I want to use Sujoah with Estivara I probably shouldn't complain about that too much

2) Venomous Sting is nice when it shows up (6.25%), but Sujoah's your guy for taking down dragons, Q9, Tor Kul Na and other high life, solid defense heroes. Don't get me wrong, I think Wyverns in general and Wyvern/Estivara armies in particular are great. It's just that I think they have advantages and disadvantages vis-a-vis a Sujoah army. The one simply isn't a slam dunk superior chouice over the other.

~Aldin, buggily

[Knight of Feylund]

Originally Posted by Aldin

1) Mebbe, but it's close. The other factor here is that losing either the Wyvern or Estivara makes you less effective, with the Wyvern obviously being the worse of the two losses. Your OM management is also more complicated, but since I want to use Sujoah with Estivara I probably shouldn't complain about that too much

2) Venomous Sting is nice when it shows up (6.25%), but Sujoah's your guy for taking down dragons, Q9, Tor Kul Na and other high life, solid defense heroes. Don't get me wrong, I think Wyverns in general and Wyvern/Estivara armies in particular are great. It's just that I think they have advantages and disadvantages vis-a-vis a Sujoah army. The one simply isn't a slam dunk superior chouice over the other.

~Aldin, buggily

I really like Wyvern and Estivara more than Sujoah, Wyvern is a Solid Figure and he is cheap. And Estivara makes him better. Sujoah just falls to easily when challenging huge figures but when he get Poisonous Sting it can be deadly to solid figures.

[gorthan313]

Originally Posted by Knight of Feylund

I really like Wyvern and Estivara more than Sujoah, Wyvern is a Solid Figure and he is cheap. And Estivara makes him better. Sujoah just falls to easily when challenging huge figures but when he get Poisonous Sting it can be deadly to solid figures.

How exactly?

[GreenLanturn]

Indirectly I suppose. The spiders gaining a boost should easily make their bonded heroes better as well. While I don't (and won't) have enough spiders to make a good spider army, I think that it's a rather interesting thing that they suddenly gained some good units to work with. I'm seeing 4 squads as a minimum to justify a spider based army (I prefer 5 squads).

Spiders x5
Wyvern x2
Estivara
480/20
The spiders will die fast, but they are fast and cheap. With a decent attack now they can do some damage along side the Wyvern.

[SuperflyTNT]

You guys should look at her on the basis of just a single player too, she is awesome!

I killed Sir Gilbert last night with the Venom Ray, and it was a gamebreaker.

Estivara
4x Stingers
DW8000
Isamu

[xraine69]

I took Kameon Awa out my first attck against him. My son was not happy.

[Einar#1]

She is really strong I had a full health feral troll and she did one damage and then my opponent got a 20.

[chas]

I have also recently used Estivara to take out an unwounded Kaemon Awa in one shot, without rolling a 20, but with three extra poison hits. Since he is a certain regular opponent's favorite, it was particularly sweet!

Also, although I usually use good vs evil types of teams, Estivara teams up very well with...Sharwin. At a distance, the "Two Sisters" can take out almost anything coming at them! Try them out together for loads of 'Amazon Awesomness.'

[VIRTU]

Originally Posted by chas

Also, although I usually use good vs evil types of teams, Estivara teams up very well with...Sharwin. At a distance, the "Two Sisters" can take out almost anything coming at them! Try them out together for loads of 'Amazon Awesomness.'

I agree they do work well together.
In a recent game I had Marvel (Ironman, Venom, Redskull, Spidy) VS DnD (Thandros, Ana, Darrak, Erevan, Brandis, Sharwin, Morgrimm, Estivava)... Sharwin and Estivara were the last two DnD figs on the board finishing off Ironman, Venom, and Redskull, but Spidy saved the day and Marvel won...

A question did come up in the battle though. If Estivara uses Cloud of Darkness, she has no visable hit zone, is she still vulnerable to an attack such as Redskulls Dust of Death?

[gorthan313]

Originally Posted by VIRTU

I agree they do work well together.
In a recent game I had Marvel (Ironman, Venom, Redskull, Spidy) VS DnD (Thandros, Ana, Darrak, Erevan, Brandis, Sharwin, Morgrimm, Estivava)... Sharwin and Estivara were the last two DnD figs on the board finishing off Ironman, Venom, and Redskull, but Spidy saved the day and Marvel won...

A question did come up in the battle though. If Estivara uses Cloud of Darkness, she has no visable hit zone, is she still vulnerable to an attack such as Redskulls Dust of Death?

If Skull tries to hit a Cloud-covered Estivara from 2 spaces away, then, he would need LoS and couldn't do it. If he was adjacent, then I think he probably could.

[Anitar]

Originally Posted by gorthan313

If Skull tries to hit a Cloud-covered Estivara from 2 spaces away, then, he would need LoS and couldn't do it. If he was adjacent, then I think he probably could.

Yes, but only if he chooses to get everyone adjacent. If he only wants to hit a Clouded Estivara, well too bad.

[Sujoah]

Originally Posted by Anitar

Yes, but only if he chooses to get everyone adjacent. If he only wants to hit a Clouded Estivara, well too bad.

I would think he would be able to do it whether Estivara was 1 space away, or 3. Both would be by using the second part (any one figure within three spaces), because it only requires clear sight spaces, not LoS. And I'm pretty sure that Cloud of Darkness makes her have no hit zone, meaning that her hitzone would be all gray. Or am I interpreting CoD wrong?