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[Confred]

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Michelangelo
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[Confred]

My first customs will be from the childhood Classic: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and inspired by B&K's thread, using his cards as base. I worked with him in his original TMNT thread but had creative differences and I split. Kudos to his designs. With each character I have commentary touching on their development and interactions with B&K's blueprints.
His original post can be found here: http://www.heroscapers.com/community...ad.php?t=28924

With the turtles I had the mantra "Think Ninja". They each had to be tricky in their own particular ways. Also, they are to be a hero squad so I want synergies and quirky interactions. Finally, I wanted some way of having them not get mowed down by range. This final part never really materialized, but is dealt with by their small hit zones and fast movement.
I don't have cards mocked up yet and names of special powers are not final.
Leonardo

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Mutant
Unique Hero
Ninja
Precise
Medium 4

Life 4
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 5
Defense 4
Points 115

FEARLESS LEADER
After taking a turn with Leonardo, you may move up to 3 Ninjas you control up to 2 spaces each. All figures moved this way must be within 8 clear sight spaces of Leonardo prior to moving. Leonardo cannot be moved with Fearless Leader.

PROTECT 14
If a figure within 3 clear spaces of Leonardo attacks a friendly figure and rolls at least one skull, before defense is rolled, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, move Leonardo adjacent to that figure and attack it with a normal attack. If the figure survives, roll defense dice normally. When Leonardo Protects, he never takes leaving engagement attacks.

Leonardo Commentary

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-3/26
Renamed 'Protector 14' to 'Protect 14'.
-3/8
Tuned Leonardo's Protector 14 power to work only if skulls are rolled. Originally you rolled for the power after the attack was declared and before the dice were rolled. Not only did this hiccup game play and felt awkward, such tech isn't officially in place. This newer version is more 'official' and includes rules for what happens when you roll below 14. Additionally, the newer version adds flavor as Leonardo doesn't slaughter the weak. And it reduces the powers potency, keeping his points down.
-3/1
Leonardo was the first of B&K's cards I audited and edited in his thread. That continued process lead to this rendition. The ability names are his and are not final.
Fearless Leader varies from his in that he doesn't rearrange order markers and moves 3 ninjas instead of 1. I found moving 3 cute, not only does he have exactly 3 brothers, but there are 3 ninjas of the northern wind. Moving them 2 would put the turtles at 7 move, which is one more above Leo's. He scouts ahead and clears the way and then moves the other boys up. The range of 8 is also cool because when Raphael eventually rebels he will run out of range. And Leo ultimately loses his control over the red turtle. Leo has move 6 and the other two have move 5, they hold back their movements until Leo gives the go ahead, that is except for Raphael
Protector 14 is more or less functionally the same. His used peripherals to mark specific characters that he would protect, longer range, and boosted attack. Mine has slight functional differences and I love the feel of the changes -no knocks to B&K though . I also changed the power to a d20 ability to pay homage to Ninjas of the Northern Wind and to build synergy with Donatello.
Stats: B&K's turtles were a static Move 5, Attack 3, Defense 5. (Which turns out to be wrong, but that's how it was in my head). I bumped the movement up to 6 to pay homage to HS samurai and ninja, and had his attack 4 and defense 5, which eventually switched. The attack went higher to match other sword-wielding heroes and the defense went lower to keep his costs down

Michelangelo

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Mutant
Unique Hero
Ninja
Tricky
Medium 4

Life 4
Move 5
Attack 3
Defense 4
Points 110

TAUNT 14
After moving and before attacking, choose one opponent’s figure within 3 clear spaces of Michelangelo and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 14 or higher, move that figure adjacent to Michelangelo and it must attack Michelangelo with one less attack die. Taunted figures are never attacked for leaving an engagement.

COUNTER STRIKE
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Michelangelo Commentary

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Michelangelo Play Tests: http://www.heroscapers.com/community...63&postcount=8
-8/03
Card Streamlining - Removed Whirlwind
-3/30
Whirlwind changed a special power to reduce its powerlevel, but height and glyphs made it unintentionally more powerful. This change returns it to a Special Attack and the desired benefits thereof but reduces the Attack to keep the power in check. I like this more actually because it annoyed me before that he whirlwinded every time unless he had height, even when attacking singular targets. Now there are more choices
Additionally, changed text positions so that the Order is Taunt > CS > Whirlwind for thats the order they play out mechanically.
-3/26
His power level is high against squads and in fear of being undercosted, his SA has been reduced to just a special power.
-3/5
Even though he gets Mowed down by range and isn't that exciting, his ability combinations have powerful or at least unique interactions and thus +10 points (Donatello drops 10)
-3/2
Defense Changed from 6 to 4. His Counter Strike is a second attack utilizing the defensive nature of the weapon = Attack 3 +1 = 4. This is further offset with his Taunt Ninjitsu () 3+1+1=5, for height: 3+1+1+1=6 and the scale leaves no room for a higher counter. Even without the bonuses, 5 seemed too high and 6 immediately so. 4 is just low enough that it is useful but not grossly intimidating. With this change his power lessens and his points need to drop. To what level? Testing will tell.
-3/1
I had immediate plans for this guy. I wanted him to taunt, offset and lure his opponents into a knock on the head. I also wanted him to have whirlwind attack, envisioning him dancing around and attacking multiple foes - homage to the movies. Special attacks are harder to block, which is how I dealt with the unique nature of his weapons, and homage to Maxi from Soul Caliber. He would be the anti squad element to the ninja team.
Now all of this was in place before I looked at B&K's Mikey. Turns out we had similar thoughts . But completely different executions. I don't like catch-phrases as abilities and apart from the taunt, which is only thematically comparable, our designs parted there.
Taunt couldn't replace movement, because then he would stray too far from the group. The range of 3 is because I like to use 4 as the base for effective communication, and 3 gives it that more personal feel, and this way the opponent isn't moved too far from its starting position.
Stats: I have a special place in my heart for Nunchaku and their defensive capabilities, thus defense 6. I wanted Mikey to have the highest defense to match his personality and play-style. Plus the high defense with counter strike work nicely.
I wanted his points low to keep the team's total points low. He was originally higher but was reduced to give Raphael more power. I thought taunt was 'neat' but risky with his low life. He did seem good, but not overpowered.

Raphael

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Mutant
Unique Hero
Ninja
Rebellious
Medium 4

Life 6
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 4
Defense 3
Points 115

DOUBLE ATTACK
When Raphael attacks, he may attack one additional time.

FRENZY
After you take a turn Raphael, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher you may take another turn with Raphael.

Raphael Commentary

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Raphael Play Tests: http://www.heroscapers.com/community...6&postcount=19

-8/03
* Life 5 -> 6
* Attack 3 -> 4
* Defense 4 -> 3
-3/2
Defense lowers from 5 to 4. This puts him on par with the other turtles, with Donatello being the highest, where he should be. His damage is quite high and he is ferocious, but his staying power put that aggressiveness out of balance. Reducing it balanced his power to slightly edge out over 110 and 100pt figures, but still fall to 120 point figures.
-3/1
Raphael is good enough without the others, he is a loner. His abilities are self-providing and don't seem to interact well with the others, which is the part that makes me smile. Looking closer there are hidden interactions. His points are 115 to match the other most expensive turtle: Leo, because he is arguably more powerful and believes so himself. His move 6 is equal to Leo's because he doesn't hold back like the others, eventually he will outrun Leo's influence. Donnie's advice will also become ignored as he runs off and does his own thing.
I wanted him to have simplistic abilities with cute/subtle interactions.
At first he had Overextend Attack, and that changed to a d20 variant of the same ability, ultimately streamlining to the existing Frenzy power. His life5 is a remnant from this, but was cool enough that it agreed with 'more powerful than Leo', so it stayed.
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B&K's version had more complex abilities and offered little to me except to set the mood of Raphael's arrogant and reckless behavior.

Donatello

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Mutant
Unique Hero
Ninja
Introspective
Medium 4

Life 4
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 3
Defense 5
Points 90

KEEN OBSERVATION
Anytime you roll the 20-sided die for a Ninja Army Card, you may add 3 to your die roll. At least one figure on the Army Card must be Donatello or within 4 clear sight spaces of Donatello before the roll.

TINKER
Instead of moving, Donatello may Tinker. Instead of attacking, Donatello may Tinker. To Tinker, choose an adjacent Robot or Destructible Object without any Order Markers on its card and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher you may remove 2 wounds from its card, add 2 wounds to its card, and or take an immediate turn with it.

WHIRLWIND ASSAULT
Donatello may attack any or all figures adjacent to him. Roll each attack separately.

Donatello Commentary

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Donatello Play Tests: http://www.heroscapers.com/community...1&postcount=21

-8/03
Made more relevant and reliable
* Added Whirlwind Assault : Moved from Michelangelo
* Attack 4 -> 3 : Reduced to balance WA inclusion, spread difference from Raph's attack increase.
* Observation 2 -> 3
* Disable / Enable Device combine for Tinker
> DO valid target
> Cannot have an OM on its card
> Taking a turn with it as option
> Can do any/all abilities on each success
-4/10
Out of 14 games, his Observations have never influenced anything. The bonus increases from +1 to +2.
-3/5
Calculating was always 'off' as his personality. Wikipedia calls him Introspective and I liked it, and now he has it. His Device powers have activation requirements changed to add subtle bonus flavor. Now, he can sacrifice a move to use the ability, which means he can sacrifice the bonus move from Fearless Leader. Leo eggs him on to work on that device faster! And sacrificing moves can mean he separates from the group easier, as if he is introspective and loses himself within himself. This distraction means he can no longer tell others his Keen Observations - I dislike that name by the way.
His points drop to 100 because he doesn't cut it at that level and Michelangelo needed to be closer to Dund in cost.
-3/1
This guy had me stumped and I battled with his abilities for a better part of a day. At first he had reach, but two hexes is a lot of terrain to cover and his bo isn't that long. Thus his attack bumped to 4.
Keen Observation: He is the idea man and his input helps guide the turtles. Paying homage to Ninjas of the Northern Wind, I represented that influence through d20 adjustment, which in turn altered the abilities of the other turtles, so that all the ninjas have a d20 ability. The limitation to keep it in check, 4 represents his effective communication range, and makes it easier for Raphael to run out of range.
Devices:I agreed with B&K that he should interact with Soulborgs to represent his tinkering propensity, but B&K's reprogram was too unique to use and was a direction I didn't want to go -although I respect the source reference. I wanted Donnie to be cheap and thus the ability couldn't be too powerful. I read wiki's and watched episodes and then came on what we have here. The healing factor with Q9 is disturbing, but is it really worth the lost attacks? I think not, so it stays.
Like Michelangelo the power couldn't replace movement, because he doesn't want to stray too far from the group.

April O’Neil

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Human
Unique Hero
Journalist
Determined
Medium 4

Life 4
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 1
Defense 2
Points 30

MUTANT SYMPATHY
After you move a Mutant you control, you may move April O'Neil up to 2 spaces. The figure must be within 8 clear sight spaces of April O'Neil prior to her movement.

REPORTING 6
Add 6 to your initiative rolls if an opponent's figure is within 4 clear sight spaces of April.

April O'Neil Commentary

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-4/10
Added range and LOS restrictions to Mutant Sympathy.
- Draft 2
The +4 to initiative wasn’t exciting enough and having two abilities to get that far wasn’t appealing. She was too passive. This version gets her in the action and plays off the team’s synergies. And Her defense bumps to 4 as a nod to the iconic glyph-grabbing rats. Originally two abilities added to +4, now one ability gives +6 and the other bonds with Mutants to keep her in the action.
- Draft 1
I respect B&K's source reference with the reprogramming, but it was a direction I didn't want to go. Her height of 5 was also a cool nod, but I also didn't take it. Determined personality was independently chosen .
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Basically I wanted her to suck, to be a weak character. But why would one want to draft such a character? Cheerleading. Since she is a reporter I wanted her to be a scout. I played with 'once an opponent's figure is X spaces away, its OM's become revealed' but it was clunky and dull. Initiative rolls ties with her determination and ambition to get things done, to get the story told, to get the information out there. Mutant Sympathy continued with this, and was actually instated first. She reports their story. As an added bonus, the Mutant bonus warmed my heart since I've been working on the X-Men C3G.
Her defense is 3 instead of the original 2 because even though she is a weak civilian, she manages to survive long enough to get saved.

Casey Jones

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Human
Unique Hero
Vigilante
Wild
Medium 5

Life 7
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 3
Defense 3
Points 70

BEAT DOWN
When the defending figure rolls no shields, Casey Jones may attack an additional time.

Casey Jones Commentary

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-8/03
* Life 6 -> 7 : Separate from Raph's Life 6 and to encourage OM usage.
* Reworked BD wording
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The development of Casey Jones was an extension on working with B&K. I am not a fan of using catch-phrases as abilities and thus renamed one of the original powers by B&K. It was so perfect to the character that it was an immediate in. I wanted Casey to be a clear cut character and the design for him was an immediate draft. 70pts because I personally only have two 70pt figures I want there to be more! And it matched with the turtles to = 500. Hunter? Warrior? Vigilante? Something else? Wikipedia gave me that answer. Wild seemed like a natural fit. His attack/defense/life are just where I want them. I like that he can take out both squads and heroes and is a nice cleanup for the turtles, taking revenge if you will

Master Splinter

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Mutant
Unique Hero
Sensei
Disciplined
Small 3

Life 3
Move 7
Range 1
Attack 5
Defense 3
Points 170

NINJA GUIDANCE
Instead of taking a turn with Master Splinter, you may take a turn with up to 2 different Ninja Heroes you control.

DISENGAGE
Master Splinter is never attacked when leaving an engagement.

SCALE 4
When moving up and down terrain, Master Splinter may add 4 to his height.

Master Splinter Commentary

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-8/03-
* Climb > Scale
-4/10-
Removed +1/+1 bonus to nearby Ninjas
Reduced link from 4 to 2 Ninjas
Ninja Master changes to Ninja Guidance. NM should be reserved for uber ninjas. Guidance can be used as a verb and shows influence.
-3/1-
B&K's version was not what I wanted at all and shares little with my rendition of the sage rat.
The elves were always an inspiration with this hero squad and thus Splinter was Ulginesh. Nodding to Sonlen not being a wizard, Splinter isn't a ninja. I didn't want him boosted by the turtles, but to boost them
He stays in the sewer all day so his influence has no range limitations and doesn't need clear sight. The bonus to surrounding ninjas was sort of tacked on and originally had a range of 4. I wanted them to perform better in front of their master and under his direct guidance, and this way perhaps they could protect him better should it come to that.
He needed disengage to run away should he need to, and he is a rat so he should be slippery, move7. Ghost/Phantom Walk just looked bad so the basic disengage stayed. His attack was boosted from 3 to 5 to show that he can fight with the best of em should it come to that. His defense is 3 because he is old and frail. His life is 3 for the same reasons and because the turtles are 4 and he should be less. And that fragility creates a certain tension for the turtles to take action and defend their master.
He is expensive, but his one OM orders 4! heroes.

4 Turtles = 430pts + Casey = 500pts
4 Turtles + Splinter = 600pts
4 Turtles + Splinter + Casey + April = 700pts

[IAmBatman]

I love what you can get in a 700 point army there!
I'd argue that Michaelangelo's "Taunt 14" power is more than just "inspired" by B&K though. That seems like a borderline rip off, so you might consider swapping it out for something more original ... Also, looking at his card, 100 points seems a bit low for what he brings to the table. 140 maybe? 6 defense and counter strike and whirlwind special attack is pretty fierce.

[Griffin]

Beat Down
After Casey Jones attacks, if the defending figure rolled no shields, Casey Jones may attack again.

That is a really cool power.

Master Splinter has a life of 3 and a defense of 3, and he costs 170 points???? I am certain that he is grossly overpriced. I wouldn't draft him at 70 points, when I could pay 10 more and get Raelin. I think with his card the way it is, he is probably worth like 15 or 20 points at the most.

[IAmBatman]

20 points? Did you read "Ninja Master"? I know he's glass jawed, but that's a pretty nice power ... I mean, it's not 170 points on its own with how glass jawed he is, but he's more than 20!

[Boromir_and_kermit]

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I would also say that Michaelangelo's Taunt is more than "inspired" as well.

Leo's specials are also similar to mine.

Additionally, if you also reference the Casey Jones special attack, it is completely ripped off from mine as well. Almost word for word. The only change is that I called it "Meet the boys"....

*sigh* - if you lift a power, at least acknowledge it please. Don't pass it off as your own. Especially not on the exact same character.

Cheers,
Ben.

[IAmBatman]

Agreed. That's pretty lame.

[Confred]

Before PlayTest Commentary:

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Michelangelo was an interesting character to me. Taunt is good, but he has 4 life. What if he taunts and whiffs and they don't and he dies for free? They are getting free attacks against him. I want him at 100 points. I could scale him down a bit. Perhaps remove the -1 to attack after the taunt. I wanted that to represent them getting unnerved by the taunt.
I suppose I could also/instead use "After moving and instead of attacking". This will probably be the change to bring him down to level but dang I pictured him taunting and then smack smack!
And another note with Taunt was to setup a Whirlwind.
-Edit 3/2
Taking another look at classic figures. The original RotV figures aren't as powerful as I remembered them. Mikey with his current stats plus Counter Strike alone might land him at 100pts.

Michelangelo
Mutant
Unique Hero
Ninja
Tricky
Medium 4

Life 4
Move 5
Attack 3
Defense 6 (4)
Points 100 (110)

Taunt 14
After moving and before attacking, choose one opponent’s figure within 3 clear sight spaces of Michelangelo and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 14 or higher, move that figure adjacent to Michelangelo and force it to attack Michelangelo with one less attack die. Figures moved with Taunt 14 are never attacked for leaving an engagement.
Whirlwind Special Attack
Range 1. Attack 3.
Michelangelo may attack any or all figures adjacent to him with Whirlwind Special Attack. Roll each attack separately.
Counter Strike
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from adjacent figures, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.


- The Play Test (at Defense 4): 1-4
Michelangelo vs. Kumiko (-20)

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The board is flat, basically the shape of original RotV packaging with a center pond of swamp and water.
Mikey wins initiative and runs up 5 spaces and taunts for an effective range of 8. She rolls 3-1=2 attack into his fierce 6 defense and he immediately gets nerfed down to 4defense for the rest of the test. They both whiff and he cannot penetrate her 5defense on his follow up attack. Getting a double attack off of Taunt is cool.
She rotates around, gets height and attacks inflicting one wound.
Round two Mikey moves on equal height and then taunts her back down. This feels odd but I allow it. He attacks with height.
From here each turn Kumiko climbs back up and special attacks to bypass his Counter Strike. The fight is a bit dull, perhaps it's just me.
Kumiko Wins Round 2, Turn 2, with 2 Wounds.

Michelangelo vs. Ne-Gok-Sa (-10)

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Change starting zones to lengthen distance between the figures.
NGS gets initiative but nowhere advantageous to move to so he turtles. Mike sneaks up, still out of range. NGS turtles. Mike runs in and Taunts NGS down a level inflicting 1 Wound with counter strike after NGS rolls -1 and Mikey +1 die. Whiffing on attack.
NGS climbs back up, fails Mindshackle but inflicts a wound. Mikey Taunts NGS back down and inflicts a CS wound. The smacks a massive 4 skull blow against only 1 shield. Still sort of a boring match, perhaps it is still just me.
Michelangelo Wins Round 1, Turn 3, 1 Wound
Counter Strike and Height + being able to position is powerful, but not fun yet. The positioning once already engaged is dubious, threatening to be nerfed.

- Taunt isn't automatic . Continuing tests appropriately
Michelangelo vs. Atlaga (-10)

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Rolling for the Taunt COMPLETELY changes how he plays. Before he would move just enough and then pull the enemy closer. Now he has to run in adjacent just in case the taunt fails. In this case, Atlaga was steadfast the entire way through and the guardian didn't pay heed to the ninja trickery.
Mikey wins initiative but cannot engage, but Atlaga can on his turn so he runs to the best possible position and passes. Atlaga misses with his withering bolt but scores an arrow wound for 1.
Mikey runs adjacent in case taunt fails and it does. He rolls max skulls at 3 and Atlaga blocks 2 and then he rolls max skulls for 4 and Mikey blocks 3.
They duke it back and forth each rolling impressively, but Mikey can never undermine the Kyrie and ultimately fails
Atlaga Wins Round 1, Turn 3, 2 Wounds
Without Taunt automatically working, the gameplay was much more entertaining and the ability wasn't degenerate. I'm starting to think the altered 4Defense is too low. But I will play a few more and find out.

Michelangelo vs. Agent Carr (-0)

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These two were closely matched.
Agent Carr wins initiative and kites Mikey around for the first 3 turns, eventually scoring one wound. On the third turn Michelangelo finally covers the gap and once toe to toe Carr couldn't handle the pressure and is taunted into the water. But that Sword of Reckoning is friken scary! Carr is wounded by CS but not by the chucks.
Carr disengages and kites some more, but it clearly isn't working. Mikey taunts two more times from height but 5dice vs 5dice has some tension. They cancel each other both times. But Mikey's attack scores 2 wounds for 3 total and Carr uses his sword and lo' and behold 2 wounds. 3v3, 1v1, Mikey whiffs and Carr doesn't.
Carr Wins Round 3, Turn 1, 3 Wounds
This fight was very close and very heated. Against hard-hitters, Taunt loses its shine.. that is with the current defense of 4. At this strength, he feels closer to 90pts.
He wishes he had Disengage, but he doesn't and he won't.

Michelangelo vs. Sgt. Drake Alexander <RotV> (+10)

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Sgt. Drake Alexander Wins Round 1, Turn 3, 1 Wound.
This fight revealed some interesting thoughts. 4 defense is enough to be somewhat effective but not enough to be intimidating. I like that it is basically a +1 attack and I like that it becomes +2 with taunt.
Taunt doesn't happen often at all but when it was auto it wasn't fun. I like this rate and at +1 with Donnie it will be better and appropriate.
I think I like his stats as is now. But his points might very well drop to 90 or 80. Testing of the other turtles will show if their points need adjusting and any increases will come from Michelangelo's point pool.

Results: Defense drops from 6 to 4, Points drop pending.
On Second thought, Michelangelo should be imposing and intimidating to approach with his twirling display of Nunchaku.

- The Second Play Test (at Defense 5):
Michelangelo vs. Kumiko (-20)

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Kumiko intends to move just enough to be out of range, but miscalculates. Michelangelo uses that knowledge to cook something fierce and the taunt is successful, -1 Attack +1 Defense is huge and takes her down to 1, his following attack of 4 skulls seals the deal.
Michelangelo Wins Round 1, Turn 1, 0 Wounds
With height and taunt bonuses working together, the ability scales quickly and fast. 5 just might be too high; more testing will tell.

Michelangelo vs. Atlaga (-10)

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The match doesn't finish because all needed information is gathered. 5 Defense is too high and feels wrong.

Result: Keep Defense at 4.

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Splinter Commentary

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With Master Splinter I did the classic 'with customs, err to overpriced'. I used Ulginesh as the base and well he controls two more characters and isn't limited in range of influence.

Responses to Criticism

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I mentioned you in the original post. I wanted to be apart of your project and you didn't.
Most of what I wanted to do was tweak. And that is what this is: A variation of your stuff. Posted from the point of where our creative differences split. You didn't want to budge and I kept thinking about it so I made my own post and continued.
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Leonardo was the first of your cards I poured myself into and I agreed with what you were doing and this is my deviation of it.
In fact, for all the cards yours had inspiration to it. But so did the shows. So did the movies. So did the wiki. The personalities and classes, except precise from Leo, where all me, turns out ours are similar.
We are making characters not from scratch, but to emulate existing figures.
Even tackling the TMNT so close after dealing with your posts was inspired by the Super Hero Custom makers where they each make their own versions of known superheroes. And their cards are similar, even in color and appearance.
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Our Michelangelo's are completely different.
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But in the end, we creators are kin and shouldn't be at war. I returned to the characters and wrote thoughts on each. Turns out that approach is more pleasing in the end. Now I know. Give credit where credit is due.

[Boromir_and_kermit]

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I was quite happy for you to be involved in my project. But you wanted to emulate the cartoon characters, not the comic characters. If you had left your posts up, people would be able to see that in some cases, some major changes to the turtles. They weren't tweaks.

Even though the wording on my cards may not yet be streamlined, the effects are well playtested. I have spent quite alot of time playtesting them and had no intention of going back to scratch on them all. I thought this was quite clear. Its like when an NM24 card goes up - you don't all just rewrite the whole card - you try and keep it in context with the posters vision.

I was looking for help with the wording and 'tweaking' the specials - not complete rewrites which is what you were suggesting. Also, I didn't appreciate the tone of your posts, almost demanding changes - very condescending indeed. After explaining this to you and again making sure you understood that I'm happy for help, as long as you understand the vision I had for them. You proceeded to post more ideas on how the turtles 'should' be. It was at that point that I said that our ideas would probably not mesh and that you hadn't even looked at my cards, yet were already proposing how characters should be. You then deleted all your posts and left. No problems.

You want to do your own set of turtles - that's fine mate - but don't take my ideas for them and then say that you are just 'emulating the same character'... for example, you just renamed my casey jones ability, but kept the special the same. Its lame mate.

The reason Taunt isn't working on your version of Mickey is that it was meant for him to have height so that the enemy would be forced to attack him to get rid of their penalty. Mickey would have height so they couldn't reach him that turn. Then he would use his Cowabunga special attack on them. This is why you can't just grab an ability and paste it on another card. When a card is created it is created to flow as a whole.

Anyway, good luck Confred, but I have Glyphs to work on. Please don't take them too.

If you find my tone too harsh, perhaps its because I don't like the way you have conducted yourself.
Cheers,
Ben.

[Confred]

And our Michelangelo's are different. Your version of Mikey had him jumping from buildings and ambushes and the like.
Mine has him break-dancing area affecting and invoking challenges as in the movies, regardless of height advantage. Similar but at the same time different.


Responses to Criticism

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Continue on developing, I wanted to workshop and tweak and edit and rewrite your characters. But they were your characters, your art. I packed up and left. As a cop-out I can blame the new pills the doctor put me on which have a side-effect of depression/mood swings, so the leave was a bit dramatic and out of character.
Buut you have your realm to design and these are my rewrites .
Aand the reasons why I openly jotted down my ideas in your posts before delving into the actual cards was because I wanted to get my direction out their first before being influenced by your cards. Your box art was magnificent and had my mind racing, I was really excited. For the record I had two posts where I made before reading your cards, and a primer before that warning that I would do so. The second post was written the same time that you wrote your response saying I should read the cards before posting, so it wasn't intentional insubordination.
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Plus, this version of Mikey was crafted before I read your card and was indepent to your design. In that second, now deleted, post was an outline of each figure, most were vague or scattered ideas, but Michelangelo had taunt/whirlwind/counter strike. The details were hashed out later. And now reading your card, Throw Insult is not Taunt at all. It uses peripherals, doesn't move the character, is a much stronger debuff, and doesn't force an attack. It's not the same at all!

[Boromir_and_kermit]

I felt it was more the concept of Taunt and the fact it had been around a long time - but all water under the bridge mate.

I like your thoughts on each character. Thanks for uploading them Confred.

I also really like your cartoon version of April - very fitting. I can just see her in her Yellow jumpsuit.

In the comic, April actually helped to create the Mouser at Baxter Stockman's business. Baxter attempted to kill her with his Mousers which had been used to rob banks (as she found out about it). Hense the reprogramming ability.

I do like your cartoon version of both April and Don actually. They both fit the cartoon well.

Cheers,
Ben.

PS. My wave 2/3 releases have some comic/cartoon characters which I have laid out already (Rocksteady, Beebop, Leatherhead and Baxter Stockman as a fly, Metalhead and Slash) When I get to them, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on them.

[Confred]

Yeah I ended up reading the comics throughout this project and I liked your programming ability for that reason.
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I thought about continuing with Rocksteady and Beebop
Perhaps a charge attack for one and a rapid fire attack for the other, both with a chance to bumble and fail, friendly fire on miss for the rapid fire for example.
But to be honest, not having figures is disheartening. For the ones I made, I think I will sculpt them. But there are obvious flaws in that route.
Oh, and your Foot are perfect. I might redo Shredder (although I never cared for him as a kid, so meh) but the Foot don't need anything.