Hahma/Felindar's Customs: Silver Sable stats added on pg 31

[Hahma]

My plan is to come up with my interpretations of some characters without looking at the works of others until after I have come up with a solid character of my own down on paper. I don't want to be influenced one way or the other.


HAWKEYE (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

TIGRA (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

IRON MAN (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

MOCKINGBIRD (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

WONDER MAN (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

KRAVEN THE HUNTER (words by Hahma, card construction by felindar)

MOLE MAN (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

GIGANTO (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

MOLEOIDS (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

MASS MASTER (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

LIGHTSPEED (words by hahma, card construction by Felindar)

GEE (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

ENERGIZER (words by Hahma, card construction by Felindar)

HOBGOBLIN (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

JACK O' LANTERN (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

BLACK KNIGHT (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

EMMA FROST (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

HELLCAT (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

HARPOON (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

THE BLACK QUEEN (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

ABSORBING MAN (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

TITANIA (words by Hahma, card design by Felindar)

[Matt Helm]

Not a bad start "Noob". I think you've got the right approach. Write down whatever flows from your head before you look at any other custom cards made for that character. After you spill it out, check out the others and feel free to borrow ideas from the community.

Just watch out, it gets addicting.

[Hahma]

Mockingbird

West Coast Avenger

Human
Unique Hero
Agent
Compassionate
Life 4
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 4
Defense 4
Points 120

Battlestaff Strike Special Attack
Range 4 Attack 3
When Mockingbird attacks with her Battlestaff Strike Special Attack, she may attack 1 additional time.

To Kill A Mockingbird
When Mockingbird defends against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, she may roll 1 additional die. All excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.



I got the idea for To Kill A Mockingbird additional defense die roll in concert with counterstrike from Balantai's Wildcat. I wanted her to be better defensively in close quarters than against range.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Matt Helm

Not a bad start "Noob". I think you've got the right approach. Write down whatever flows from your head before you look at any other custom cards made for that character. After you spill it out, check out the others and feel free to borrow ideas from the community.

Just watch out, it gets addicting.

Thanks MH, and considering I've only gotten a total of 10 hours sleep in the past two nights, I'd say I'm kind of hooked. Though I'll need to real it back in some or I won't be able to function during the work week.

[Matt Helm]

I think you just inspired me to go to bed.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Matt Helm

I think you just inspired me to go to bed.

I hope people don't take that the wrong way

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Hahma

Hawkeye

West Coast Avenger

Human
Unique Hero
Adventurer
Demanding
Life 4
Move 5
Range 7
Attack 3
Defense 4
Points 170

Double Attack
When Hawkeye attacks, he may attack one additional time.

Chairman's Orders
If order marker 1 is placed on Hawkeye, then instead of taking a turn with Hawkeye, you may take a turn with up to 2 West Coast Avengers you control. Hawkeye cannot be one of those West Coast Avengers. Any West Coast Avenger that is taking a turn instead of Hawkeye must be within 8 clear sight spaces of Hawkeye prior to its movement.

Arrow Of Choice Special Attack
Range 5 Attack 3
Choose a figure to attack, then roll the 20 sided die to determine any adjustments to the base attack of 3 for the Arrow Of Choice Special Attack.
If you roll a 1, subtract 1 die
If you roll a 2-5, add 0 dice
If you roll a 6-10, add 1 additional dice
If you roll an 11-15, add 2 additional dice
If you roll a 16-19, add 3 additional dice
If you roll a 20, add 5 additional dice

Pretty weak stats, but official units usually have to pay a premium for powers like Chairman's Orders, so you're probably in the right range for his cost.
I can tell you right now you're going to struggle to fit all that power text on the card, so here are some suggested tweaks:

Chairman's Orders
If order marker 1 is placed on Hawkeye, instead of taking a turn with Hawkeye, you may take a turn with up to 2 West Coast Avengers you control other than Hawkeye. The chosen West Coast Avengers must be within 8 clear sight spaces of Hawkeye prior to movement.

Arrow Of Choice Special Attack
Range 5 Attack 3
Choose a figure to attack, then roll the 20 sided die.
If you roll a 1, subtract 1 die from the attack.
If you roll a 2-5, attack normally.
If you roll a 6-10, add 1 die to the attack.
If you roll an 11-15, add 2 dice to the attack.
If you roll a 16-19, add 3 dice to the attack.
If you roll a 20, add 5 dice to the attack.[/quote]

Other than that, he looks pretty clean to me. Of course, even with my changes, text room is probably going to get tight fast.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Pretty weak stats, but official units usually have to pay a premium for powers like Chairman's Orders, so you're probably in the right range for his cost.
I can tell you right now you're going to struggle to fit all that power text on the card, so here are some suggested tweaks:

Chairman's Orders
If order marker 1 is placed on Hawkeye, instead of taking a turn with Hawkeye, you may take a turn with up to 2 West Coast Avengers you control other than Hawkeye. The chosen West Coast Avengers must be within 8 clear sight spaces of Hawkeye prior to movement.

Arrow Of Choice Special Attack
Range 5 Attack 3
Choose a figure to attack, then roll the 20 sided die.
If you roll a 1, subtract 1 die from the attack.
If you roll a 2-5, attack normally.
If you roll a 6-10, add 1 die to the attack.
If you roll an 11-15, add 2 dice to the attack.
If you roll a 16-19, add 3 dice to the attack.
If you roll a 20, add 5 dice to the attack.

Other than that, he looks pretty clean to me. Of course, even with my changes, text room is probably going to get tight fast.[/quote]

Edit: above should have been included in the quote.


Thanks for the help IAB

I took Chairman's orders directly from Ornak's card and thought it might be problems space-wise if I wanted to have the AOC Special.

I would rather keep the AOC Special and do something else with Chairman's Orders. I like your changes.

I want AOC to represent Hawkeye finding the right arrow to use against any given adversary. To me that is his main strength.

How about this change

Chairman's Orders
Instead of taking a turn with Hawkeye, you may instead take a turn with any West Coast Avenger that you control that is within 8 clear sight spaces of Hawkeye prior to its movement.

That is certainly a weaker ability but it also doesn't make his point cost only be worthwile if he's with only with other WCA (kind of like Spartacus prior to Capuans).

Now that he's depowered somewhat, I can bump his stats a little.

I can change his normal attack to 4 and his move to 6

Then I'd have to do something to Arrow Of Choice so that a single attack would be worthwhile to use instead of a double attack of 4.

How about:

Arrow Of Choice Special Attack
Range 7 Attack 4
Choose a figure to attack, then roll the 20 sided die.
If you roll a 1, subtract 1 die from the attack.
If you roll a 2-5, attack normally.
If you roll a 6-10, add 1 dice to the attack.
If you roll an 11-15, add 2 dice to the attack.
If you roll a 16-19, add 3 dice to the attack
If you roll a 20, add 5 dice to the attack

This makes it more worthwile to use his AOC special.

Off to work now

[IAmBatman]

It's still called a "die" if you're just adding one.
Those changes are cool - I'm not sure I was convinced Hawkeye was enough of a leader to motivate two Avengers to move in his place - but it's your interpretation, so I can roll with it either way.
I think you can lose that last "its" in Chairman's Orders and be just fine.
I do like that he's less dependent on the group to make it in a game now.

[Balantai]

Great job on some initial customs, Hahma!

For Hawkeye, if you didn't want to increase his base attack to 4, you could change double attack to triple attack.

Also, if you want to up the usefullness of his single Special Attack vs his normal double/triple attack, you can play with the ranges. Make the double attack at range 5 and the single attack at range 8 or 9.

Just throwing out some ideas.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It's still called a "die" if you're just adding one.
Those changes are cool - I'm not sure I was convinced Hawkeye was enough of a leader to motivate two Avengers to move in his place - but it's your interpretation, so I can roll with it either way.
I think you can lose that last "its" in Chairman's Orders and be just fine.
I do like that he's less dependent on the group to make it in a game now.

You're right IAB, it is "die", I may have changed the line and forgot to change "dice" to "die". It as early when I did that.

You are entirely right about Hawkeye not being the type of leader to move two other WCA. I know he was trying really hard early on, but he's no Captain America. I'd rather him be able to let one other WCA move instead of him. I'll look into losing the "its" in Chairman's Orders. And I too am much happier with him not being dependent on being with WCA to be playable.

Originally Posted by Balantai

Great job on some initial customs, Hahma!

For Hawkeye, if you didn't want to increase his base attack to 4, you could change double attack to triple attack.

Also, if you want to up the usefullness of his single Special Attack vs his normal double/triple attack, you can play with the ranges. Make the double attack at range 5 and the single attack at range 8 or 9.

Just throwing out some ideas.

Thanks Balantai for the kind words.

I've read in my '80's Marvel Universe, that Hawkeye was trained in fighting by Captain America (or got lessons from him anyway). And he's a big fellow at 6'3", so I would rather keep the normal attack at 4 and keep it as a double attack, because even if I dropped his attack to 3 and made it a triple attack, I can't see him doing a triple attack in melee. But, I do like reducing the normal attack range to 5 as you suggested and raising his special attack range to 9. That seems like a big enough difference to make the single special attack more of an option than two normal attacks.

Thanks for the feedback guys, your comments and opinions are very helpful and appreciated. I'll try to rework the stats tonight.

I'm working on Iron Man in my head and am thinking of normal attack 5 but range 1. Repulsors being a special double attack 4 range 6. Also want to make him harder to kill, so I was thinking of Iron Tough adding one automatic shield to his defense roll. I was also wanting to do Energy Re-Route 16, whereas if he takes enough wounds to be killed, roll the d20. A 16 or higher means he removes all wound markers, but can't use Repulsors any longer and can only use ER once per game.

[Felindar]

Good thought I just did some down powering of some of the official powers in my Valhalla customs thread. Not that there is any activity over there.

“PACK LEADER
Before acting with a Pack Leader, you may first act with any one Gnoll Common Squad that will start or end its movement within 6 spaces of the Pack leader.

FRENZY
If attacked roll the die 20 on a 10 or better you may attack back after you defend on a 15 or better, you may attack back before removing the figure even if it is destroyed.”

These are down powered Bonding and Counterstrike respectively.
Pete