Mind Shackle + Squads

[Nukatha]

Ne-gok-sa can mind shackle unique squads.

I was wondering what the limit of the '1 unique per army' was. Here are a few scenarios I'm thinking of. Can you tell me what the 'legality' is?

1.You each have a full squad of Kozuke Samurai.

2.You have 1 figure left of your Kozuke Samurai, and the opponent has 2 figures.

3. You had a squad of Kozuke Samurai, they're all dead, your opponent still has all three.

4. You had a squad of Marro Warriors. All of them are gone. Your opponent has a squad of Marro Warriors. Does the shackle work? If so, can they proceed to water clone?

[Simpsons Scaper]

Originally Posted by Nukatha

Ne-gok-sa can mind shackle unique squads.

I was wondering what the limit of the '1 unique per army' was. Here are a few scenarios I'm thinking of. Can you tell me what the 'legality' is?

1.You each have a full squad of Kozuke Samurai.

2.You have 1 figure left of your Kozuke Samurai, and the opponent has 2 figures.

3. You had a squad of Kozuke Samurai, they're all dead, your opponent still has all three.

4. You had a squad of Marro Warriors. All of them are gone. Your opponent has a squad of Marro Warriors. Does the shackle work? If so, can they proceed to water clone?

I think they are all no, you can't mindshackle. However, I'm not 100% sure about that except for #1. That I know you can't do.

[GreenLanturn]

I'm pretty sure the answer to all of them is no; I think the FAQ says you can't have more than one unique army card in your army. If you mind shackle someone you get their card, and that is rule breaking.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by GreenLanturn

I'm pretty sure the answer to all of them is no; I think the FAQ says you can't have more than one unique army card in your army. If you mind shackle someone you get their card, and that is rule breaking.

To add to what he is saying, I am adamant that the answer is no for all. Even if all of the squad is distroyed, it is still in your army. Sorry man.

[EternalThanos86]

Originally Posted by Nukatha

4. You had a squad of Marro Warriors. All of them are gone. Your opponent has a squad of Marro Warriors. Does the shackle work? If so, can they proceed to water clone?

All of them are No's except in this case, because you HAD the Marro Warriors, but all of them are dead, so you are allowed to Mindshackle. This happened to me when playing against Jexik. I lost my Raelin and then proceeded to mindshackle his.

So, short answer, yes, you can if all the figures on that card have been destroyed.

~ET86

[Nukatha]

^But then can they proceed to clone?

[The B.I.V.]

Only up to 4. You can't clone your original dead 4. So, no, you can't clone up to 8.

Brandon

[EternalThanos86]

Originally Posted by Nukatha

^But then can they proceed to clone?

Yep, but only up to a maximum of 4, as per the card. If you shackle a squad that has 3 or less left, then you can clone until you reach 4 again.

~ET86

EDIT: The B.I.V.

[The B.I.V.]

Sweet! I think that's the first time I've ninja'd someone! It was everything I expected it to be and more!

Brandon

[cmgames]

Originally Posted by Nukatha

Ne-gok-sa can mind shackle unique squads.
I was wondering what the limit of the '1 unique per army' was. Here are a few scenarios I'm thinking of. Can you tell me what the 'legality' is?

The mind shackle card ability is one of those cases where the card rule supersedes the rulebook rule. You can acquire copies of uniques (heroes or squads) through the Mind Shackle ability. Furthermore, it has been determined through many rules clarification requests that an ability on one card that specifically exempts that card/figure/squad (Raelin's defense aura for example) can affect the "clone" copy acquired through Mind Shackle.

I'm not sure about the Marro Warriors question though - can one last MW clone back all the others? Can unique squads act like common squads in the case of two (or more) in the same army?

I'm slowly working my way through all the "Official Rules & FAQs" and haven't come across the answer to that one yet. It may be there, but I haven't seen it.

~Z

[EternalThanos86]

Originally Posted by cmgames

The mind shackle card ability is one of those cases where the card rule supersedes the rulebook rule. You can acquire copies of uniques (heroes or squads) through the Mind Shackle ability. Furthermore, it has been determined through many rules clarification requests that an ability on one card that specifically exempts that card/figure/squad (Raelin's defense aura for example) can affect the "clone" copy acquired through Mind Shackle.

I'm not sure about the Marro Warriors question though - can one last MW clone back all the others? Can unique squads act like common squads in the case of two (or more) in the same army?

I'm slowly working my way through all the "Official Rules & FAQs" and haven't come across the answer to that one yet. It may be there, but I haven't seen it.

~Z

Sorry, but you are not correct in this area.

Originally Posted by Advanced FAQ

Can a figure with Mindshackle or Soul Devour use either of those powers on an opponent’s Unique figure if you already have that same Unique figure (or a figure of the same name) in your Army? If successful, that would allow you to have 2 of the same Unique figure in your Army.
No. You can never under any circumstances have 2 of the same Unique figures in your Army.

As for the Marro Warriors question, since the card is now yours, you are able to clone up to the amount on that card, in this case 4. And since you can only have one in your army, then there is no issue of figuring out if they act like common squads.

~ET86

[dok]

Originally Posted by EternalThanos86

[...] because you HAD the Marro Warriors, but all of them are dead, so you are allowed to Mindshackle. This happened to me when playing against Jexik. I lost my Raelin and then proceeded to mindshackle his.

So, short answer, yes, you can if all the figures on that card have been destroyed.

Was this before or after the most recent set of updates to the FAQ? Based on the current FAQ, it appears that a figure is considered to still be in your army as long as you have the card, whether the figures are still on the board or not.

Originally Posted by FAQ

Can a figure with Mindshackle or Soul Devour use either of those powers on an opponent’s Unique figure if you already have that same Unique figure (or a figure of the same name) in your Army?

If successful, that would allow you to have 2 of the same Unique figure in your Army.No. You can never under any circumstances have 2 of the same Unique figures in your Army.

Originally Posted by FAQ

If each player is playing with a Marcu Esenwein in their Army, and you have to use Eternal Hatred (because of your roll), who takes control of Marcu?

You cannot choose an opponent that already has a Marcu Esenwein in their Army because you can only have 1 of each Unique figure in an Army. If all players have a Marcu in their Army, Eternal Hatred would be negated and would not come into play. Remember that even if one of the Marcu Esenweins were to die, that figure would still be in that player’s Army.

Originally Posted by FAQ

If each player is playing with a Sir Hawthorne in their Army, and you have to use Stab in the Back (because of your roll), who takes control of Sir Hawthorne?

You cannot choose an opponent that already has a Sir Hawthorne in their Army because you can only have 1 of each Unique figure in an Army. If all players have a Sir Hawthorne in their Army, Stab in the Back would be negated and would not come into play. Remember that even if one of the Sir Hawthornes were to die, that figure would still be in that player’s Army.

Emphasis added, in all three cases.

Now, it appears that if somebody mindshackled/soul-devoured/backstabbed a unique away from you, you would be allowed to mindshackle/soul-devour/backstab that figure back. But this is only because you have already turned over control of that card, and don't actually have the card in your army at that point.