Odd New Army Combo???

[Flavius Maximus]

Okay, me and my friend were fooling around with some HS and he came up with this amazing army that went 3 for 3 in testing.
He chose:
Nilfeim - 185
Minions of Utgar - 295
DW9K - 435
Izumi - 495

This army destroyed an elf army, a marro army, a grut army, and an undead army. Two three player games, he dominated both.
As far as I can tell, this army has no cohesion at all. But it has consistantly broken my best armies.

I think it could be just Nilfheim's awsomeness, or something else.

If you know why this army is so strong, or how to beat it, please post.

[Eirikr]

Well, three player games are generally not a good test since they tend to swing between various versions of 2 on 1 and depend as much on politics as anything else. Also the armies you've mentioned are not that strong. The elves really don't work in a tier 1 environment at 500pts, although they work well at higher point armies. The Arrow Gruts are a strong tier 2 army but the Blade Gruts make for a weaker (melee based) combo. The Marro and the undead have some superstar units among them but neither really works as a complete army unto themselves.
If you are trying to test this army move away from themed armies and towards some of the 'ho-hum' bread and butter builds like 'Q9 Raelin Krav' builds, Valiant 4th mass builds, Glads-Blasts builds, etc.
I really don't think this army would stand up in any competitive arena. I suspect that Nilfheim is really carrying the weight here and would do even better with some better support.

[Flavius Maximus]

Good advice, Eirikr.
I feel sorta stupid for not noticing the roles of the individual squads/heroes. Now that I think about it Nilfeim did do alot. I'll run some more tests with more conventional armies. Should I keep this thread open?

[Cavalier]

Originally Posted by Flavius Maximus

Good advice, Eirikr.
I feel sorta stupid for not noticing the roles of the individual squads/heroes. Now that I think about it Nilfeim did do alot. I'll run some more tests with more conventional armies. Should I keep this thread open?

Well, you can't lock it.

[Aldin]

I'd be interested in hearing how this tests against other builds. It has some nice features. Your lack of figures might be problematic, especially in a glyphed map, but they're tough to kill.

~Aldin, sucker for high defense

[Flavius Maximus]

Well, I've just been testing it against some Q9/Krav armies, and it comes out the victor every time. Same thing with a pretty good Marro stingers army. Most times DW9K is killed first, and this gives just enough distraction to pull in either Nilfeim of the Minions to a good position. Both always take out well above their own points, but DW9K usually only takes out one squad and wounds a hero. The izumi just hold glyphs, mostly because their attack is pitiful.

If anyone has any other good testing armies, I'm open. I just don't own Snipers and Vipers, Heroes of Bleakwoode, Minute Men and Wolves, Heroes of Barrenspur, waves 3 and 4.

[Jexik]

I think the best thing to do would be to practice more with it, and wait for a tourney in your area. If it works for you, we can't really argue with the results. I've learned an awful lot about how to play Heroscape better from losing to more experienced opponents. A lot of players (myself included) focus an awful lot on which army to bring to a tourney. While it can certainly play a large role, the ability of the player to roll with the punches (and dice) is a lot more important, in my opinion.

The fact of the matter is that you're going to have at least one tough matchup or game in a day of Heroscape. Either you complain about it, or you deal with it. But there's no magic bullet of an army that will automatically win every game.

(Doesn't stop me from looking of course . And part of that looking certainly includes trying out the 'weird' combinations).

[zcythe]

As long as you are playing a three player game it is usually a good idea to bribe the third person, but I have never done this .

If your out of twenties, I would recommend using the hivelords and some of there food to take down niff and friends.

[Tiny Timmy]

Trust me, the whole Luck thing can decide who wins. I faced my buddy and possibly the future Kansas City Hextreme Champion last saturday. I have a thing with him that its about a 4% chance of winning, since I've only beaten him 4 lucky times with him beating me about the other 96 times... I am the one with the most wins on him, but trust me, Number 5 would have came if he didn't switch to his Jesus Dice. Man, those jesus dice are just nasty.

He had a Knight army, which I never win against, and I had a army that was quite supportive of Cypriens weakness against Soulborgs.

[pti8]

I would also say here that Nilfiem probably does most of the work. The minions can be very good but usually not with only 1 squad. How about this:

Nifliem 185
Minions x2 405
Rats x2 485
Isamu 495

This is assuming that you have 2 minions.

[bmad]

well im no expert but i just wipe out all my friends armys with mimring & deathwalker 9000, their fairly strong and can kill almost anything.

[scoutchloe]

Here's a funny one I played from 'The Tart Heroscape Draft Wizard'. For 330 pts. I had Tagawa Samurai, Hatamoto toro, and Thorgrim. I killed three small figures with my samurai and used Thorgrim to his death. His spirit went on the samurai. My samurai now had a defense of nine, ten with bush cover, eleven with bush and height as well as symbols counting as blocks from Hatamto Toro. I counterstuck the opposing army to death. They seemed unstoppable.