Ninjas vs Deathstalkers

[AmishBurrito]

Not sure if this has been addressed in other threads, i tried skimming for it and didtn find it. ANyways.....

If a deathstalker rolls all skulls, does the ninja still get to dissappear?

[Tiberius]

They get to try since that is not a special attack and it is doing at least one skull. There is no defense involved with ninja disappear, if they fail the D20 roll, the ninja dies.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

eep! I've been wrong on interpretations before, but here goes:
I believe the Ninja do roll for disappearing, but do not get the option to roll defense dice normally on the 1-11.

What do you think AmishBurrito?

[Rÿchean]

Agreed; they get to roll the disappear.

The cards say if a skull is rolled to roll the 20; it doesn't say anything about whether or not you get to roll defense die until the disappear works or fails

Yep I say they get to try to disappear even if they don't get to roll defense.

[toddrew]

Similarly, they can avoid "paralyzing" abilities like MBS's, James Murphy's, and Retarius... anything that doesn't say "Special Attack" and involves a skull rolled with attack dice.

After playing against my son's ninja's, anytime someone drafts them, I'm countering with some sorta SA figure!

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Originally Posted by toddrew

Similarly, they can avoid "paralyzing" abilities like MBS's, James Murphy's, and Retarius... anything that doesn't say "Special Attack" and involves a skull rolled with attack dice.

Ah! Yes! I totally agree. Nice conclusions!
And it fits thematically well with their characters - tricky (yeah, I know their discpilined, but ninja are tricky nonetheless) and hard to pin down.
It's the cyberclaws the get the Ninja into trouble.

[Robotech Master]

I think the confusion stems from the line "The Defending figure receives a wound for every skull." Maul doesn't just state that the defending figure can't roll defense dice, like MBS, but says that they automatically take wounds.

However I think that Dissapearing Ninja is supposed to work against it. The only problem is that I don't think it says "ignore all wounds" like the Microcorp Agents.

[toddrew]

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

However I think that Dissapearing Ninja is supposed to work against it. The only problem is that I don't think it says "ignore all wounds" like the Microcorp Agents.

"Takes no damage" is how the tricky buggers get away scott-free.

[Robotech Master]

Ah yes, thankyou. I didn't have the card in front of me.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

I think the confusion stems from the line "The Defending figure receives a wound for every skull." Maul doesn't just state that the defending figure can't roll defense dice, like MBS, but says that they automatically take wounds.

However I think that Dissapearing Ninja is supposed to work against it. The only problem is that I don't think it says "ignore all wounds" like the Microcorp Agents.

Yeah that is a great argument in defense of Maul. I'm really divided on this ruling now. The Deathstalkers card is akwardly worded to me.

[AmishBurrito]

Originally Posted by Hex_Enduction_Hour

Yeah that is a great argument in defense of Maul. I'm really divided on this ruling now. The Deathstalkers card is akwardly worded to me.

i am still divided too. The cards are in direct opposition of each other.

Deathstalkers: Defending figure recieves a wound for every skull
Ninjas: The Ninja of the northern wind takes no damage

[toddrew]

Originally Posted by AmishBurrito

i am still divided too. The cards are in direct opposition of each other.

Deathstalkers: Defending figure recieves a wound for every skull
Ninjas: The Ninja of the northern wind takes no damage

The reason the Deathstalkers' card says "receives a wound for every skull" is that the # of skulls could vary depending on bonuses or penalties (which exist only on customs cards at the moment.) The ninja's ability is a parry to the Deathstalkers' thrust, and in the mechanics of HS basically negates the Deathstalkers' ability if successful.

My reading of the rules, anyway

Don't think it would be a bad idea to send this Q to Chris, though.