400 point competitive army with only two units, critique

[boogle]

If I am mistaken and this has been spoken about already could someone point me to the thread? If not how about an army of 400 points consisting of:

Nilfheim 185
Braxas 210

Because both have either a ranged special ability or attack that can target multiple units as well as a fairly high attack and health value I don't see how this army couldn't do well against both multiple units as well as single, stronger hero units. Any units that are particularly useful against these that you think should be brought to my attention would be greatly appreciated. Two stronger hero units that could be effective against this dragon duo would be Juton and Krug, both heavy hitters if given the oppurtunity could seriously damage these dragons in only one turn.

[DarkDino]

Youch, kinda scary army... Very good against Squad armies, and ok against balanced armies

Though watch out for something like this....
Sudema=140 points
Dead-Eye-Dan=60 points
Morsbane= 100 points
Ne-Gok-Sa= 90 points
Total=390 points

Enemies, if they know their units will go for 1 hit kills or chances to take your units....
But, never thought of an army like that, very heavy hitter.

[boogle]

That makes sense, and thanks for the heads up against those one hit kill foes. I play with friends, the kind who peek over your shoulder to see what units your picking in order to counter your army. Often it is with mroe than one opponent as well, perhaps its more wise to use one dragon instead ot them both as i will definatly be targeted by both (or all) players who think the dragons the biggest threat on the field.

[HeroscaperHuh]

I've never been to a tourney, but I wouldn't dare enter one with just 2 figures. But if you want to enter a 500 point tourney, I'd put in some rats and Dead Eye Dan to one-hit-kill those one-hit-kill figures.

[rdhight]

Originally Posted by DarkDino

Though watch out for something like this....
Sudema=140 points
Dead-Eye-Dan=60 points
Morsbane= 100 points
Ne-Gok-Sa= 90 points
Total=390 points

I'd bring boogle's army against that lineup any day. (Although it's not really his army-- I've seen it before on here, I'm sure.)

[killercactus]

Originally Posted by rdhight

I'd bring boogle's army against that lineup any day. (Although it's not really his army-- I've seen it before on here, I'm sure.)

Yeah.... realize the while they can all one hit kill Braxas or Nilfheim, Braxas can one hit kill all of those units, has better or equal odds to do so, and gets to target 3 per turn. Also, remember that Deadeye, Sudema and Morsbane aren't going to last long under Ice Shard attacks or straight-up dragon biting.

[boogle]

Yes, I was just inquiring as to any natural weaknesses this army may have against particular units in a competitive sense. All one hit kill units with fairly high range or durability definantly pose a threat, as well as swarming units which could tie up the dragons. I wouldn't nessacarily want to face 4 squads of venoc vipers in addition to the venoc warlord with these units. Though I'm more fearful of a rat swarming then a venoc onslaught.

[Jexik]

It's a pretty solid army, but can be very swingy. (A few bad defense rolls in a row will really hurt, and could cause you to lose turns.) I've seen Nilfheim endure turn after turn of fire from squads, only to lose 4 wounds in one turn... when he had two wounds on him already and I had 2 order markers left on his card. It's happened at least twice now.

If you do play in a 500 point game with it, I'd suggest adding 2x Deathreavers and Marcu. Gives you some glyph control and a nice defensive buffer. I'm a big fan of dragons + rats.

[ASmiles]

At the Boston tourney last fall. We had 2 people show up with Braxas, Charos and 2x Reavers. First time in all the tourneys I've been to that I saw 2 people show up with the exact same army.

They also finished with almost identical scores of 1601 and 1609 out of a possible perfect 2000.

[rdhight]

One weakness of this two-dragon army is its inability to focus multiple attacks on the same target. If one or two strong figures approach your dragons, you can't use your breath weapons efficiently. If Nilfheim is engaged by a single figure, the effect is even worse. And sending in large or huge heroes like Krug or an enemy dragon can bring the fight to Braxas without giving her any acid targets. I faced Braxas yesterday with Nagrubs x2, Krug, and Tor-Kul-Na... it wasn't pretty for the Braxas army once she melted all the grubs. You might be better off pairing a "must attack three different figures" dragon with a "drill into the same guy until he's dead" Major.

It's not a bad army, just susceptible to being starved of easy prey.

[DarkDino]

Originally Posted by rdhight

One weakness of this two-dragon army is its inability to focus multiple attacks on the same target. If one or two strong figures approach your dragons, you can't use your breath weapons efficiently. If Nilfheim is engaged by a single figure, the effect is even worse. And sending in large or huge heroes like Krug or an enemy dragon can bring the fight to Braxas without giving her any acid targets. I faced Braxas yesterday with Nagrubs x2, Krug, and Tor-Kul-Na... it wasn't pretty for the Braxas army once she melted all the grubs. You might be better off pairing a "must attack three different figures" dragon with a "drill into the same guy until he's dead" Major.

It's not a bad army, just susceptible to being starved of easy prey.

Like he said if Krug or Jotun have a made a beeline for your dragons you're going to have to pull back, which will also give time for your oppenent to regroup and position better to anticipate the dragons.

[boogle]

True, Braxas and Neilf will fall against either Krug or Juton, and a combination of both of them would be fatal for the two. I guess thats why the deathreavers and unit engagaing units are so importante with units such as braxas and Neilf.