The Book of Beast

[Balantai]

Okay. What if we gave Beast Stealth Leap and allowed him to use it after Negotiation or a Regular Attack? Then Beast could leap away after attacking.

EDIT: The only problem I have with this, though, is that Nightcrawler will probably have a very similar playstyle.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Balantai

Okay. What if we gave Beast Stealth Leap and allowed him to use it after Negotiation or a Regular Attack? Then Beast could leap away after attacking.

EDIT: The only problem I have with this, though, is that Nightcrawler will probably have a very similar playstyle.

Perhaps we can give Beast Stealth Leap, and for Negotiation, maybe he can use Stealth Leap if he removes the 'X' OM. While he might not remove the next OM for that figure, at least he wouldn't have totally wasted a turn and left himself in engaged if he removed the 'X' instead of a number.

Even with that option, he might be more like 130 +/-

[IAmBatman]

If Beast's cost gets lowered a bit, I don't think that's a bad thing. What if we changed Negotiation so that he could use the power and just not attack "the chosen figure"? That way he wouldn't have to sacrifice his own attack that turn (he could still go all whirlwind on some squaddies) and he could slow down an enemy hero at the same time.

[IAmBatman]

I added Superstrength to the first post for Beast since, according to this, he can lift 1 ton (which seems like a good cut off point for the power).

[GreyOwl]

A good cut off point?! I would think "Superstrength" applies to anyone stronger than a normal human, right?

[IAmBatman]

Well Captain America is stronger than a normal human. But he wasn't given it by the game's designers. So the question becomes how much stronger than a normal human at that point. 1 ton seems like an easy line to draw in the sand, IMO.

[GreyOwl]

I think Captain America is officially defined as the "strongest a normal human can possibly be", i.e. the peak of "being human". I think that's why he didn't get it. But I would think someone that can lift 1900 pounds should still have superstrength, right?

Just looked up the world record... It's something like 1061 pounds. So roughly half a ton is the most a normal human has lifted. So wouldn't anything above technically be "superstrength"?

Of course, this is just a side discussion as we both agree that Beast should have it...

[IAmBatman]

Well for game purposes, superstrength is defined loosely (very loosely) as someone who doesn't take falling damage and can more easily destroy destructible objects. At what strength level do such things kick in, I wonder? And maybe 1 ton is too high. There aren't that many heroes at all on the lists between Cap and the 1 ton lifters, though, so it's not an issue that's going to come up much (and a lot of the ones who did make the lists in between could only lift that much with their legs due to superspeed powers, so I think they wouldn't be included anyway).

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by GreyOwl

I think Captain America is officially defined as the "strongest a normal human can possibly be", i.e. the peak of "being human". I think that's why he didn't get it. But I would think someone that can lift 1900 pounds should still have superstrength, right?

Just looked up the world record... It's something like 1061 pounds. So roughly half a ton is the most a normal human has lifted. So wouldn't anything above technically be "superstrength"?

Of course, this is just a side discussion as we both agree that Beast should have it...

Is this just lifting it off the ground or Pressing it? In the Marvel Universes listing the characters I have and what they have on the link, they refer to the hero being able to press that weight. So Cap pressing 800lbs is a lot more impressive and reflective of Superstrength than some big fat guy struggling to get 1061lbs a couple inches off the ground.

But like Bats said, there aren't too many guys rated between 800 lbs and 2000lbs to really make a difference.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, it's one of those things that won't come up until we get to someone like ... Ajax.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Yeah, it's one of those things that won't come up until we get to someone like ... Ajax.

I'll be long in my grave before I playtest Ajax

[IAmBatman]

Oye - My work load this semester increased by two classes. In six months I'll be married and then kids will happen eventually. I'm starting to think we should literally pack the coming waves with as many iconic figures as possible, because this project has a finite shelf life.