The Book of Minions of Utgar

[wk4c]

Rev's Champion 4th Mass./Sentinels Army
330 - Sentinels of Jandar x3
540 - 4th Mass x3

Check out the counterpart:

Non-Champion Stinger/Minions Army
330 - Minions x3
510 - Stingers x3
540 - Guilty

Oh, I think that would be the most epic battle ever.

[Revdyer]

Originally Posted by Aldin

Just like Q9 and Taelord

~Aldin, who thinks Taelord gets a bit of a bad rap

Taelord, in a 600 point army, boosting OmniCrons, ate my lunch Sunday night. So, don't tell me he costs too much!

Originally Posted by GreenLanturn

Hey look they even have the same point value! Maybe this was done on purpose... I guess that was a give away that I missed huh?

Do you think so? Duh.... <grin>

Originally Posted by wk4c

Rev's Champion 4th Mass./Sentinels Army
330 - Sentinels of Jandar x3
540 - 4th Mass x3

Check out the counterpart:

Non-Champion Stinger/Minions Army
330 - Minions x3
510 - Stingers x3
540 - Guilty

Oh, I think that would be the most epic battle ever.

That would be fun, although maybe Marcu Esenwein and Isamu would sub in for Guilty.

[wk4c]

Originally Posted by Hal0fan117

I'd use rats instead of Guilty.

EDIT:
lol, I guess I changed my avatar & sig and forgot.

The Deathreavers are 40 points, so that wouldn't work, sadly. However, to keep the evil theme, Guilty should defenitly be switched out for Marcu/Isamu. Thanks, Rev!

[MalignantT]

Surely someone somewhere at sometime has done the comparison,
but for my own edification (and not to just have another long post)...

Minions
A 2x2 ... average 2 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 6 hits/turn
D 6 ... average shields 2 / def. roll

+1 to A
A 3x2 ... average 3 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 9 hits/turn
+1 to D
D 7 ... average 2.33 shields / def. roll
+2 to A
A 4x2 ... average 4 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 12 hits/turn
+2 to D
D 8 ... average 2.66 shields / def. roll



Sentinels
A 3x1 ... average 1.5 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 4.5 hits/turn
D 4x2 ... average 2.66 shields / def. roll

+1 to A
A 4x1 ... average 2 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 6 hits/turn
+1 to D
D 5x2 ... average 3.33 shields / def. roll
+2 to A
A 5x1 ... average 2.5 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 7.5 hits/turn
+2 to D
D 6x2 ... average 4 shields / def. roll
+3 to D
D 7x2 ... average 4.66 shields / def. roll
+4 to D
D 8x2 ... average 5.33 shields / def roll



and just for grins (and because it's marginally harder to figure)

Imperium
A 3x1 twice... average 3 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 9 hits/turn
D 3x1 ... average 1 shield / def. roll

+1 to A
A 4x1 twice ... average 4 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 12 hits/turn

with Kiova (K)
D 3x1, rerolls non shields ... average 1.66 shield / def. roll
+1 to D with K
D 4x1 & rerolls ... average 2.22 shields / def. roll
+2 to D with K
D 5x1 & rerolls ... average 2.77 shields / def. roll
+3 to D with K
D 6x1 & rerolls ... average 3.33

+2 to A, +3 to D with K
A 5x1 twice .... average 5 hits/figure
3 figures/squad ... 15 hits/turn
D 6x1 & rerolls ... average 3.33







so... where do you want to throw your points?

Supporting the squads? and then finding terrain, glyphs, blah blah blah.

[Syrn]

Questions:
1. When you use the Minions, do you advance all of them at once, or just one at a time.
2. I'm going to buy 2 of the Drones and Minions sets (no I don't have either) I was wondering: are just two squads of Drones paticularly bad casually?

[Land-based AE]

1. I'm assuming you mean all of your squads of minions at one time.
I usually bring minions up 3 at a time because their slow movement means they need lots of order markers and they have the staying power to linger in the battle without dying right away. Their six defense allows them to survive a turn unattended. Then, when one dies, I fight with two and use my third move option to bring one up from the rear.

2. I only play casually as well but I have five sets of drones and minions (of course the minions are my favorite unit). You'll want at least three sets of drones because the height of their special power allows you to move nine at a time, thus you need three sets. You could always use your two sets and proxies in a casual game however.

[nyys]

Originally Posted by Syrn

Questions:
1. When you use the Minions, do you advance all of them at once, or just one at a time.
2. I'm going to buy 2 of the Drones and Minions sets (no I don't have either) I was wondering: are just two squads of Drones paticularly bad casually?

1) You move and attack with one squad of three per order marker.
a) reveal OM on minions
b) move any three minions on the board
c) attack (if possible) with the three you moved
d) if you did not move three minions, then attack with the ones you did move and then attack with any other of your choosing until three have attacked that round (if it's possible for three to attack).

2) Drones are most effective at three sets, but nothing wrong with only using two.

[Syrn]

Originally Posted by Land-based AE

1. I'm assuming you mean all of your squads of minions at one time.
I usually bring minions up 3 at a time because their slow movement means they need lots of order markers and they have the staying power to linger in the battle without dying right away. Their six defense allows them to survive a turn unattended. Then, when one dies, I fight with two and use my third move option to bring one up from the rear.

2. I only play casually as well but I have five sets of drones and minions (of course the minions are my favorite unit). You'll want at least three sets of drones because the height of their special power allows you to move nine at a time, thus you need three sets. You could always use your two sets and proxies in a casual game however.

Thx! You basically answered my questions! So I can kind of use 2 squads of drones...

[nyys]

Originally Posted by The B.I.V.

Sorry to add to the thread hijack but...Do you mean at least 3? I would think they'd be most effective with 4 or 5 sets (or more)... And gorthan, you're crazy...

Brandon

Yeah, at least is a more appropriate term.

[vertigosmooth]

ha! thats almost my army exactly! me and a friend of mine play 800 point armies and i always go
3X minions,
taelord,
1xsnipers,
zetacron
and i just use filler after that. i have never lost with the minions/taelord army yet. anyway my first post, ive been playing heroscape since release but never knew this site existed.

dustin

[Orwald]

Welcome vertigosmooth

Me too, just got in contact with heroscapers a few months ago

back on topic: Played with one squad recently and attacked Kaemon Awa...
3 whiffs! 110 points gone. (played sewer run (HSCodex n° so 300 point army)
I lost eventually.

So what did i learned: don't use these against counter strikers XD

[nyys]

Yeah, counterstrike against the Minions is like Venocs vs Zombies... don't do it.