Public Design Post

[quozl]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It would be nice to have another Sidekick available for Teen Titan testing, but that'd be my only real reason for wanting Sidekick on her.

You should draft Lagoon Boy!

[johnny139]

Doesn't Spoiler follow Robin, though? It feels weird for her to be offering him Vigilante Protection and acting as Gordon's Vigilante liaison.

But I've honestly never read a thing with her, so I could be wrong.

[Lord Pyre]

A few reasons.

We'd have to make up a new class since Crime Fighter and Vigilante don't fit her character. Not a real problem, but still.

She's at a sidekick power level, or weaker. She teams up with Robin, much like the Teen Titans and their (probable) sidekick synergies.

She WAS Robin at one point. She starts as Spoiler, is Robin for a while, gets fired, and is Spoiler again. Yeah, she was only Batman's sidekick for a little while, but she fits the role.

And she eventually becomes Batgirl, much like Dick is a sidekick and then becomes a whatever-IAmBatman-wants-him-to-be.

She's basically a "sidekick sidekick," so why call her anything else?

Oh, and it stops bonding chains, because the sidekick power says that you can't take a turn with any other sidekicks you control this turn.

[IAmBatman]

I really think you could justify Vigilante, Sidekick, or Crime Fighter thematically for her. Given the write up, Sidekick probably works the best mechanically, since if you made her a Vigilante, her core power would become unnecessary.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I really think you could justify Vigilante, Sidekick, or Crime Fighter thematically for her. Given the write up, Sidekick probably works the best mechanically, since if you made her a Vigilante, her core power would become unnecessary.

Like Johnny pointed out, it's just weird if she's a Vigilante. And being a Crime Fighter means being in league with Spider-man, Luke Cage, and Iron Man. Sure, weird synergies and all, but she's just a lower-than-street level hero in the Bat family that teams up with Robin.

EDIT: And I think that Titans synergies would be awesome for her, and much more fitting than Crime Fighter synergies.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I think this is how you sold me originally on Sidekick. I could thematically justify the Vigilante Protection bonus and Gordon having her as his chosen Vigilante, but these are no easier to justify than justifying her as a Sidekick is, so might as go with what puts her in armies that make the most sense and offer the most value to the metagame. Having more Sidekicks released is worth much more to me than having more Vigilantes released at the moment (more to test future Sidekick synergies with, for one!).

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Yeah, I think this is how you sold me originally on Sidekick. I could thematically justify the Vigilante Protection bonus and Gordon having her as his chosen Vigilante, but these are no easier to justify than justifying her as a Sidekick is, so might as go with what puts her in armies that make the most sense and offer the most value to the metagame. Having more Sidekicks released is worth much more to me than having more Vigilantes released at the moment (more to test future Sidekick synergies with, for one!).

Yeah I just love the sidekicks, and I feel she just fits in their ranks.
Kind of sad that Catgirl most likely won't come out first so we have more to test Spoiler with, but she'll help future ones, yeah.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Spoiler

NAME = Spoiler
SECRET IDENTITY = Stephanie Brown

SPECIES = Human
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Sidekick
PERSONALITY = Reckless
SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 4

LIFE = 4
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4
POINTS = 70


SIDEKICK SHADOW
After revealing an Order Marker on a Sidekick card you control and taking a turn with that Sidekick, if Spoiler is within 6 clear sight spaces of that Sidekick, you may take an immediate turn with Spoiler. You may not take any additional turns with other Sidekicks you control.

CRIME SPOILER
At the beginning of a round, if Spoiler is unengaged and within 3 clear sight spaces from an opponent's Crime Lord or Mastermind, you may add 2 to your initiative roll for this round. If Spoiler is engaged to an opponents Crime Lord at the beginning of the round, Spoiler receives 1 wound.

BAT-GRAPPLE 3

Some Crime Spoiler wording clean up:

CRIME SPOILER
At the beginning of a round, if Spoiler is unengaged and within 3 clear sight spaces of an opponent's Crime Lord or Mastermind, you may add 2 to your initiative roll for this round. If Spoiler is engaged to with an opponent's Crime Lord at the beginning of the round, Spoiler receives 1 wound.

For copying and pasting:

CRIME SPOILER
At the beginning of a round, if Spoiler is unengaged and within 3 clear sight spaces of an opponent's Crime Lord or Mastermind, you may add 2 to your initiative roll. If Spoiler is engaged with an opponent's Crime Lord at the beginning of the round, Spoiler receives 1 wound.

Shouldn't it be Crime Lord or Mastermind for both parts of the power? Seems odd it is for one and not the other. Crime Spoiler seems like more of a detriment than a bonus right now, but I suppose that will just drop her cost.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Yeah I just love the sidekicks, and I feel she just fits in their ranks.
Kind of sad that Catgirl most likely won't come out first so we have more to test Spoiler with, but she'll help future ones, yeah.

Are Robin (Tim) and Jubilee the extent we have released of Sidekicks at the moment?

[Lord Pyre]

Numbers and such can be tweaked if it's not that helpful. More to the roll wouldn't be that much of a bad thing, I think, especially considering she'll die relatively quickly.

I know originally I gave her extra attack versus criminals and minus defense versus crime lords for a reason, but I can't remember about this new version. I'm thinking a copy/paste error.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Are Robin (Tim) and Jubilee the extent we have released of Sidekicks at the moment?

Gotcha, forgot about Jubilee! But yeah, pretty sure that's it.

It's actually a thematic match there, Spoiler liked Tim, and in one of those crossovers Tim dated Jubilee. A love triangle, woohoo!

[Yodaking]

NAME = Baron Zemo

SECRET IDENTITY = Heinrich Zemo

SPECIES = Human
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = Mastermind
PERSONALITY = Brilliant

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 190?

Masters of Evil
At the start of the game you may choose 5 other unique heros you control & place a black Masters of Evil marker on their cards. As long as an order marker is on this card, any figure you control with a Masters of Evil marker on its card with in clear sight of Baron Zemo may add 1 extra die to its normal attack.

Vendetta
Baron Zemo can not be drafted with and rolls 1 additional attack die against Captain America.

Adhesive ‘X’ Trap
When an opponent’s figure first moves within 5 clear sight spaces of Baron Zemo, you may choose to reveal the ‘x’ order marker on this card. If you do that figure must end it’s turn immediately and no other figures your opponent controls may activate on this turn.