The Book of Dagger

[tcglkn]

I've seen her do some pretty acrobatic stuff. I really wasn't sure how to represent her light daggers other than Sensory Assault, do you have any suggestions there?

[Griffin]

Bats' second pic is best.

Good questions Hahma.

[Good Pig]

I'd just post Cloak in a spoiler in the SP. They should interact pretty tightly so its relevant.

[tcglkn]

Done.

[Hahma]

From Marvel Comic Database:

Powers

Living Light Generation: Dagger generates a form of 'living light' which is actually lifeforce. She produces much more than normal humans do, but is usually conservative in the use of her powers. Overuse of her powers could be fatal. Dagger generates and stores this lifeforce energy automatically. If she goes for more than a week or so without using her powers she will become fevered and delirious, and eventually discharge her energy involuntarily.

• Light Daggers: Tandy can form 6-inch 'light daggers' which she can throw from her fingertips. Her daggers may automatically form under certain conditions, such as another person in danger. The maximum effective range is unknown, but the daggers seem to weaken with further distance. Tandy has a limited ability to control their flight and reinforce them by compelling them to seek targets. They can track a being, but it is most effective when searching for Cloak. Those hit by these knives have their own lifeforce disrupted. Dagger can then drain a portion of their lifeforce; enough to kill if she wishes. Normally she chooses to leave them in a state of shock where they will see a vision of how their life might be different. The experience is powerful enough to make most individuals rethink their choices, although a hardened criminal or evil being is unlikely to change their ways.
• Living Light Detoxification: Tandy's energy can also 'purge' a person, removing toxins, drugs etc.
• Living Light Manipulation: Nonliving objects are unaffected by her daggers; sometimes Tandy can redirect the daggers after they ricochet, other times the daggers are dispersed if they hit a non-living thing. She can project her lifeforce energy in a diffused manner, allowing her to illuminate dark areas as if by natural light. Tandy can also projects her 'light' into Cloak's dimension to feed his 'hunger.' She is unharmed when traveling through his dimension and can pass this protection to others.

Strength level

Normal human female with intensive regular exercise, focusing on improving agility rather than lifting ability

Just a rough idea for Light Daggers. This would be based on some of the bolded text above, I figured something like this that would allow her to guide the daggers (no clear sight), only affect humans, mutates and mutants to narrow down the list of likely living targets, have a d20 roll for OM removal to see if figure is left in a state of shock and allow her to throw 2 of them at 2 different targets to show that she can throw multiples of them, and because the mini has 2 of them coming out.

LIGHT DAGGER SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 1.
Dagger may only target human, mutant and mutate figures with this special attack but does not require clear sight of the targeted figure. Targeted figures cannot roll defense dice when defending against this special attack. If a Unique Hero figure receives a wound from this attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 17 or higher, you may remove one random Order Marker on the defending figure's card. When Dagger attacks with this special attack, she may attack 1 additional time. She cannot attack the same figure more than once.

[IAmBatman]

I'd rather say Androids, Undead, and Destructible Objects aren't affected by the special attack than only Humans, Mutants, and Mutates are.

[tcglkn]

I'd be fine replacing Acrobatic Maneuver with that SA if you don't think she's acrobatic enough for it. And I agree with Bats that I'd rather limit who's NOT affected by it.

[Hahma]

That's fine too. It was just a rough idea of how to spice things up and make it feel a bit more like Dagger

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

I'd be fine replacing Acrobatic Maneuver with that SA if you don't think she's acrobatic enough for it. And I agree with Bats that I'd rather limit who's NOT affected by it.

Yeah, the NOT affected approach would be better.

The thing with Acrobatic Maneuver is that a lot of comic book figures or cartoon characters do some acrobatic moves, heck most of them seem to. I've seen Hawkeye do some quite impressive acrobatic moves and certainly Captain America does too, but neither has that power on their card because of it and I don't think Dagger is close to Cap or Hawkeye or so many others that regularly flip, leap and whatnot.

Without AM, her defense should certainly be bumped to 4.

[tcglkn]

I'll definitely bump her defense if I lose AM. I'll post suggested updates to the SP.

[tcglkn]

SP updated. I think we're ready for an initial here. I'm aiming for 115 points here because I don't think she's that powerful and I want her and Cloak at odd point totals to make them more draftable together.

[IAmBatman]

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (DAGGER)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 100-110 (105?)
- Give a brief overview. If we need to stay odd here, I think 105 is the best bet. She’s just not consistently tough enough to hold up to 115. I could see if we lowered the D20 roll to remove Order Markers on her special attack a little – right now it feels like a non-factor.

Spoiler Alert!

TEST 1
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Toad (95)
Dagger failed her only roll for the special attack. Toad won this one on the power of hitting his only Tongue Lash roll for an adjacent attack from height, then hitting 2 skulls the first time he used his special attack. Once Dagger’s in melee, her attack and defense are not very strong.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Toad wins with 2 wounds Turn 1 Round 2.

TEST 2
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Toad (95)
This one felt really close. Dagger hit on her only use of her special attack but failed her D20 roll (which seems a tad high, maybe?). Toad won initiative for Round 2, which made a big difference.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Toad with 3 wounds wins Turn 3 Round 2.

TEST 3
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Dazzler (100)
Immunity to Dazzled really helped Dagger here, but the usefulness of the other powers in this situation and the stats really made them feel completely even. Dagger won initiative for Round 2 to help her seal the deal.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger with 3 wounds wins Turn 2 Round 2.

TEST 4
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Dazzler (100)
Normal attacks were having trouble getting through on both sides, so Dagger switched to her special attack and was looking good with 3 quick wounds on Dazzler while taking only one wound herself, but then she couldn’t finish it off, going really cold on her special attack for a while. Dagger hit 4 out of 13 attempts with her special attack. The D20 roll never came close to hitting.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger with 3 wounds wins Turn 1 Round 5.

TEST 5
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Heat Wave (110)
Dagger got off two attacks to Heat Wave’s one, thanks to winning initiative in Round 2. Dagger got two wounds on Heat Wave with her first attack, boosted by height and sensory assault. On her second attack, she rolled 2 skulls and Heat Wave just whiffed.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger wins with 1 wound Turn 1 Round 2.

TEST 6
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Heat Wave (110)
Dagger shifted to her special attack after missing it and her normal attack once each, and hit a skull four straight times with her special. The highest she rolled on the D20 was 14.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger wins with 2 wounds Turn 3 Round 2.

TEST 7
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Talia al Ghul (110)
Dagger got off the first attack, from height, but only rolled 2 skulls and failed to inflict any wounds. Talia went ape with her Swordplay, rolling 3 skulls, then 1 skull, then no skulls, to inflict 3 wounds on Dagger with her first attack, then winning initiative and rolling 3 skulls again to finish Dagger.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Talia wins with Full Life Turn 1 Round 2.

TEST 8
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Talia al Ghul (110)
Talia got 3 wounds on Dagger early when Dagger whiffed on defense, but took a long time to finish her off. Dagger failed to make her pay much in the meantime.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Talia with 2 wounds wins Turn 2 Round 3.

TEST 9
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Mysterio (115)
Dagger realized Mysterio would be hard to hit with her normal attack, so she went exclusively with her special attack. However, she only hit on 4 of 11 rolls (and never hit her D20 roll).
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger with 3 wounds wins Turn 1 Round 5.

TEST 10
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Mysterio (115)
Dagger tried to depend more on her normal attack here, but it was a disaster. It didn’t help that Mysterio was rolling tons of skulls.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Mysterio wins with Full Life Turn 2 Round 2.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 95?
- Give a brief overview. Dagger has a good power to hurt squads, but not enough staying power to hold up to their attacks.
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Skrull Warriors x1 (110)

Spoiler Alert!

Skrull Warriors just hit too hard. They got in the first three attacks, putting 3 wounds on Dagger. She countered with her special attack, killing one. Then the final two finished her off easily.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Skrull Warriors win with 2 left Turn 3, Round 1.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 115
- Give a brief overview. Dagger rolled really well here and took out squaddies fast.
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger vs. Bad Cops x2 (110)

Spoiler Alert!

Dagger went 4 for 4 on her special attack rolls, never wasting an attempt to pick off a Bad Cop. They only got in one attack as a result of this and her winning initiative, and didn’t have the rolls to do the trick.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dagger with Full Life wins Turn 1 Round 2.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 105, maybe less
- Give a brief overview. The armies felt balanced here, but she didn’t have much of an effect, going 1 for 2 on her special attack and getting killed easily by Huntress.
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger (105), Luke Cage (190), Spider-man (250), Iron Man Mark IV (250) (795) vs. Batman (200), Robin (120), Daredevil (180), Batgirl (130), Huntress (170) (800)

Spoiler Alert!

Against “the world’s greatest 800 point army,” this was a squeaker, with Iron Man coming up big against Batman, Robin, and Batgirl. Dagger didn’t have a huge effect, putting one wound on Huntress mid game before Huntress tore her up. Importantly, Dagger did hit her only D20 roll (1 and pulled an Order Marker off of Huntress to slow her onslaught. Spidey was a strong end gamer here, putting the last 3 wounds on Huntress and taking out Daredevil. Huntress put 3 wounds on Spidey before falling and Daredevil gave him one more.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spidey wins with 1 life left Turn 2 Round 7.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 105
- Give a brief overview. Despite her army’s loss, Dagger felt like a worthwhile piece here.
Map: Custom
Units: Dagger (115), Luke Cage (190), Jewel (150), Speedball (150), Iron Fist (260), Spider-Girl (140) (995) vs. Professor X (220), Jean Grey (180), Dazzler (100), Wolverine (280), Storm (220) (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

Dagger was taken out in round 3 after putting 2 wounds on Jean Grey and one on Dazzler, all with her special attack. She also missed about three or four other special attack rolls. She only attacked Prof X with it once and missed, so she never rolled the D20. Dazzler’s dazzling was nasty to Luke Cage here and he fell in Round 2, putting the Crime Fighters in a bind. Iron Fist in mid game took out Storm and Dazzler and Jewel in end game took out Jean Grey and put some wounds on Wolverine to make it look close at least.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Wolverine with 2 life and Prof X with Full Life win Turn 2 Round 8.