Draft/Counter Draft

[Spectre007]

Of every figure that has come out what figure/squad counters what figure/squad? Thought it would be interested to get everyones take on this and compile a list of the most used counter drafts for each figure.

Sorry for the long list...

-Master Set-
Mimring
Grimnak
Deathwalker 9000
Ne-Gok-Sa
Finn the Viking Champion
Thorgrim Viking Champion
Sgt. Drake Alexander
Raelin The Kyrie Warrior
Agent Carr
Syvarris
Zettian Guards
Marro Warriors
Airborne Elite
Tarn Viking Warriors
Krav Maga Agents
Izumi Samurai

-Wave 1-
Tornak
Venoc Warlord
Kelda the Kyrie Warrior
Taelord the Kyrie Warrior
Marcus Decimus Gallus
Blade Gruts
Arrow Gruts
Omnicron Snipers
Venoc Vipers
Roman Legionnaries
Roman Archers

-Wave 2-
Krug
Khosumet the Darklord
Me-Burq-Sa
Sir Denrick
Swog Rider
Anubian Wolves
Knights of Weston
Minions of Utgar
4th Massachusetts Line
Marro Drones

-Wave 3-
Alastair MacDirk
Concan the Kyrie Warrior
Deathwalker 7000
Johnny Shotgun Sullivan
Saylind the Kyrie Warrior
Gorillinators
MacDirk Warriors
Marrden Hounds
Microcorp Agents
Sentinels of Jandar
Shaolin Monks

-Wave 4-
Deadeye Dan
Guilty McCreech
James Murphy
Major X17
Morsbane
Parmenio
Sudema
Valguard
Armoc Vipers
Aubrien Archers
Gladiatrons
Sacred Bond
Tagawa Samurai

-Wave 5-
Crixus
Retarius
Spartacus
Blastatrons
Deathreavers
Deathstalkers
Kokuze Samurai
Nakita Agents
Ninja's of the Northern Winds
Warriors of Ashra

-Wave 6-
Empress Kiova
Kaemon Awa
Kee-Mo-Shi
Runa
Eldgrim The Viking Champion
Heavy Gruts
Shades of Bleakwoode
Zombies of Morindan
Einar Imperium
Tagawa Samurai Archers

-Other-
Dumutef Guard
Brunak
Charos
Deathwalker 8000
Dund
Su-Bak-Na
Obsidian Guards
Nilfheim
Braxus
Major Q9
Theracus
Jotun
Dzu-Teh
Nerak
Sir. Hawthorne
Elite Onyx Vipers

[Sargent_Drake_8]

Here's what strikes me right off the bat
Mimring-AE, so long as you don't line'em up
Chompie-Denrick Although medium, he'll win this most of the time
DW9K- Alastir-Rush to him, then let the dice roll.
Gokkie-WoA not subject to shackle, good in melle
Finn-Don't attack this guy. Period.
Thorogrim-Same as the bro.
Drake-DW8K, and let the bullets fly
Raelin-Anyone, basically
Carr-Nakitas should do the job
Syvarris-Drake
Zettians-Anyone with more than 2 attack
Marro warriors-Krav, so long as they kill `em faster than they clone
AE-Sentinels
Tarns-Range of any kind
Krav-Drake
Izumi-Ed (grimnak's dino
Tornak-Kozuke
Venoc Warlord-hmm...maybe the hounds
Kelda-Anyone
Taelord-Anyone
Marcus-Concan can take him
Blade gruts-Syvarris
Arrow gruts-Gnators
Omnicrons-Minions
Venocs-DW8K
Romans-Someone with an explosion sp. attack
R.Archers-Krav
Krug-Morosbane and some luck
Khomoset-Anyone can take out the dorklord
Me-Burq-Sa-Either of the large squads
Denrick-Brunak
Swog rider-Anyone
Anubians-Morosbane
KoW- Range
Minions-Izumi
4th mass-DW8K
drones-Almost anything

I'll do the others later

[Revdyer]

This tread also has some interesting information.

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=4299&highlight=counterdraft

[playa1]

I was under the impression, Drake, that Morsbane's ability was not effective against the Anubians. I'm not sure if he could still try to kill them with a "20", but he cannot negate common figures.

The WoA are very effective against all high attack melee figures. They do well against the Anubians and Krug.

Also, the zettians are pretty effective against even high attack figures, but I find Sudema (even though she costs twice as much) is fatal to them.

Your other suggestions are all very good. That's a lot of work. Good job.

[TheRealQ]

Just putting a place marker here now. Later I'll come back and edit in my counters a few at a time.

[Dredd Stev]

I was under the impression, Drake, that Morsbane's ability was not effective against the Anubians. I'm not sure if he could still try to kill them with a "20", but he cannot negate common figures.

You are correct sir; the wizard’s magical rod (tee-hee) only affects unique cards, so the wolves are safe from both negation and the instant kill.

[Sargent_Drake_8]

I was under the impression, Drake, that Morsbane's ability was not effective against the Anubians. I'm not sure if he could still try to kill them with a "20", but he cannot negate common figures.

You are correct sir; the wizard’s magical rod (tee-hee) only affects unique cards, so the wolves are safe from both negation and the instant kill.
:oops: well then, I'll change that to chompie or the WoA as was suggested by playa1. Now for some more of the list:

Alastir-WoA or any decent ranged squad
Concan-Brunak
DW7K-Dan
Johnny-DW8K
Saylind-Brunak (I'd say anyone, but she can summon help so needs to be taken down fast)
Gnators-DW8K, and watch `em fly
Macdirks-Marro warriors
Hounds- Kozuke, just get to them before they get to you.
Microcorp's-AE-Get height and use range to force them outta the water.
Sentinels-Dan, but sudema/braxus'll get the job done
Shaolin monks-Marro warriors (don't clump them)
Dan-Syvarris
Guilty-AE
James-Marro Warriors
X17-Syvarris
Morosbane-Wolves (i'm probably only sayin that cuz of before, but whatever.)
Paremino-Anyone decent
Sudema-Most heros
Valguard-Try the Kozuke or WoA
Armocs-Almost anything
Aubrians-Dan
Gtrons-Marro Warriors
Sacred band-Basically anyone
Tagawa-Chompie and Ed

The rest to come later

:2cents:

[Sargent_Drake_8]

Okay, well no one commented on the last bunch, so I'll do the rest now in hopes of getting a reply or two.

Crixus-AE or 4th mass (Four men ranged squad)
Retty-Doggie squads, either one
Spartie-WoA
Blastrons-DW8K
Reavers-Kaemon
Stalkers-Chompie and Ed
Kozuke-Range
Nakitas-Brunak
Ninjas-Kaemon
WoA-Range

Kiova-WoA
Kaemon-AE
Ke-Mo-Shi-Glad/Blast combo
Runa-Anyone, unless you're really unlucky
Eldgrim-Don't Kill him
Heavy gruts-Basically anyone when alone, syvvaris when accompanied
Shades-Gladiatrons negate both specials
Zombies-Hounds
Einar Imperium-AE
TSA-Krav

Dumataf-Venoc Warlord or kozuke (Speed and good attack)
Brunak-Alastir
Charos-Krug
DW8K-Kozuke
Dund-Range
Su-Bak-Na-WoA
Obsidions-Range
Nilfy-Krug
Braxus-Krug
Q9-Krav
Theracrus-Anyone
Jotun-Krug
Dzu-Teh-Range
Nerak-What's his stats? Don't know, so I'll say DW8K
Hawthorne-Same as above
EOV-Izumi Samurai

In sumarry, There are many great units out there that will get the task done, but certain numbers of them can counter a wide range of units. Krug can take down al the big guys that no one else can, the WoA work great against meele high attackers, the AE are a must for many tough warriors, Large squads are great at avoiding special attacks, the krav rock range, Chompie and Ed dominate the tough squads, and DW8K can take down most low defense heros in a turn or two

[bigeddie1018]

I have had a lot of success with Dan against the Minions of Utgar. Their 6 defense is countered bu the Ullar enhanced Rifle. And their slow move of 4 will take 3 turns to get to Dan.

[Sargent_Drake_8]

Yay! someone posted here! yes, that's true. Dan counters all low life high defense small/mediums.

[MattserTruckRally]

-Master Set-

Mimring
- Krav

Grimnak
- Krug, Q9, Brunak

Deathwalker 9000
- Charos, Jotun, Bad Luck (or is it?)

Ne-Gok-Sa
- Nothing

Finn the Viking Champion
- Morsbane

Thorgrim Viking Champion
- Morbane

Sgt. Drake Alexander
- Kozuke Samurai, Kaemon Awa,

Raelin The Kyrie Warrior
- Raelin

Agent Carr
- Krav, Airdrop

Syvarris
- Krav, Deathwalker 7000

Zettian Guards
- Themselves

Marro Warriors
- James Murphy, Johnny Shotgun, Deathwalker 9000, Krav, Airdrop

Airborne Elite
- Krav

Tarn Viking Warriors
- None

Krav Maga Agents
- Q9, Braxus, Elite Onyx Vipers

Izumi Samurai
- Tagawa Samurai, Brunak, Charos

[Matthias Maccabeus]

I think that for the most part the master set (Rise of the Valkyrie) pretty much had a counter for most units. There may be a few exceptions.

[bigeddie1018]

-Master Set-

Mimring
- Krav

Grimnak
- Krug, Q9, Brunak

Deathwalker 9000
- Charos, Jotun, Bad Luck (or is it?)

Ne-Gok-Sa
- Nothing

Finn the Viking Champion
- Morsbane

Thorgrim Viking Champion
- Morbane

Sgt. Drake Alexander
- Kozuke Samurai, Kaemon Awa,

Raelin The Kyrie Warrior
- Raelin

Agent Carr
- Krav, Airdrop

Syvarris
- Krav, Deathwalker 7000

Zettian Guards
- Themselves

Marro Warriors
- James Murphy, Johnny Shotgun, Deathwalker 9000, Krav, Airdrop

Airborne Elite
- Krav

Tarn Viking Warriors
- None

Krav Maga Agents
- Q9, Braxus, Elite Onyx Vipers

Izumi Samurai
- Tagawa Samurai, Brunak, Charos

Why the Kozuke for Drake. He would tear through their 3 defense. Either the Tagawa or the Izumi would be better

[Sargent_Drake_8]

-Master Set-
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Why the Kozuke for Drake. He would tear through their 3 defense. Either the Tagawa or the Izumi would be better

No no, I can see his point. The kozuke get 3x5 :skull: , while drake gets 1x6 :skull: . It'll work. Try it.