Norcal BATTLELORD Tourney Apr21. See 1st post

[Alastair MacDirk]

This is the duplicate armies tourney. The basic idea being that there will be 4 pre-determined battles. Each player will then play each of the 4 battles for 6 rounds. At the end of the day we will know what the average point differential in points killed in each of these battles. Then we will be able to see who made the most of their army and is therefor the most versatile general. It isn't necessary to win each battle to be the best... just lose by less points than everyone else lost by on those tough matchups. Let me know if you want in... tourney locks at 16 participants.....#17 forward go on waiting list.

Tourney Date: April 21st
Time: 11 AM
Location: A-Town Pizza
1231 Park st.
Alameda
Entry fee: $10 (covers your pizza consumption)
Don't bring prizes....we play for the trophy and for fun. Do bring- wound markers, turn makers, dice and $10 cash.

Participants:
1-Alastair MacDirk- in
2-Satyr- in
3-Heretic-in
4-Dnutt-in
5-Sexy Mama-in
6-Guerillanator-in
7-Hex Enduction Hour- in
8- Racer X- likely in
9-1more heroscaper - in
10-1more Addict-in
11- Can't roll skulls- in
12- Can't roll skulls buddy-in
13- Rico-in
14- Grimm-in
15- Mrs. 1more????
16- ***open****

17. Malechi- doubtful yet hopeful



If you have ??? please confirm with me. Someone is bound to drop out so don't be afraid to take #17 and be first replacement player.

Battle #1
Cowboys and Samurai stumble into a spooky graveyard late one cloudy night. In the darkness they happen upon 4 empty graves. Looking more closely they discover the headstones read "Truth and History. 21 Men. The Boy Bandit King. He Died As He Lived- Guilty McCreech R.I.P.", " MURDERD BY A TRAITOR AND A COWARD WHOSE NAME IS NOT WORTHY TO APPEAR HERE-Shotgun Johnny R.I.P.", "Pard, we will meet again in the Happy Hunting Ground to part no more, Goodbye- Deadeye Dan R.I.P.", "To save your world you asked this man to die: Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?- James Murphy- R.I.P."
Shocked at seeing their own names on the headstones, each man shakes off a chill as the hair on the back of his next stands. Somewhere in the distance a feral cat mewls and shrieks..... then the first Zombie appears from behind a ruined crypt.
Armies:
5x Zombies of Moridan
1x Shades
Sudema
vs
Shotgun Johnny
James Murphy
Deadeye Dan
Guilty McCreech
Izumi Samurai
Tagawa Samurai
Kozuke Samurai
Zombies start on rock behind ruins on top, Cowboys start on rock at bottom.
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/normal_Cowboy_Graveyard.JPG
Build Instruction-http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/Gunfight_at_OK_cemetary.pdf

Battle #2
3x MacDirks
Alastair
Finn
Thorgrim
vs.
4x Greeks
Parmenio
Marcus Decimus
Valguard

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.jpg
Build Instruction- http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.pdf

Battle #3
Scenario- Monks guard the ancient ruins of Nalanda. A scout party from the planet Vydar desecrates the sacred grounds with their alien presence and their filthy pet...... Dund.
2x Gladitrons,
2x Blastitrons,
Major X-17,
Dund
vs.
3x Monks,
Syvarris,
Kaemon Awa.

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/normal_Ruins_of_Nalanda-_pic.JPG
Build Instruction-http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/Ruins_of_Nalanda.pdf

Battle #4- Battle of the overpriced
Sparticus
Crixus
Retiarius
Tagawa Samurai Archers x2

v.s.

The Einar Imperium x 2
Empress Kiova
Deathwalker 8000

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.jpg
Build instruction- http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.pdf

[Aldin]

Yay! Both of those dates are after tax season!

~Aldin, planning to be there

[Alastair MacDirk]

I was thinking of you when I chose them, believe it or not. Feel special??? :lol:

[Malechi]

At this point both dates are fine for me. I went and adjusted the poll to reflect this option ...

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Those dates are fine for me! I'm there.

[Satyr]

Morning Star and I can not make the 28th.

April 21
:pray:

[Aldin]

I was thinking of you when I chose them, believe it or not. Feel special??? :lol:

Yes, yes I do :up:

~Aldin, appreciatively

[Guerillinator]

Either date works fine for me as well. Glad to see the zombies will be getting some love in one of the games :P Zombies seem like figures that everyone likes, but that almost no one would field in a regular bring-your-own tourney.

[1moreheroscaper]

This 21st should be fine with me, I'm really looking forward to this. I need to start studying these armies.

[dnutt99]

Not sure yet for me. Nothing should be impeding my humble presence.
However, have armies been set up yet? Where can I find the pre-mades?

[Satyr]

have armies been set up yet? Where can I find the pre-mades?
Satyr and I are currently wading through the copious possibilities. I am prepared at this time to say that one of the matchups we like is Undead vs. Cowboy Samurai. We will release the rest of the matchups in the next few weeks as well as what maps will be used.

Alastair is still plugging away at the armies. I put together some balanced thematic match-ups, he's got some ideas of his own, and dnutt, you have quite the list yourself ;)
Alastair should be releasing some additional match-ups soon. I will, however, let the dead out of the box and give up some details ...

Undead vs. Cowboy SamuraiZombies of Morindan x 5
Shades of Bleakewoode x 2
Total: 500 pts

vs

Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan
James Murphy
Guilty McCreech
Deadeye Dan
Izumi Samurai
Kozuke Samurai
Tagawa Samurai
Total: 510 pts
We've played around with this match-up and had buckshots full of fun. In our games both sides have won. Map design is critical for this battle to help level the playing field ...

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

have armies been set up yet? Where can I find the pre-mades?
Satyr and I are currently wading through the copious possibilities. I am prepared at this time to say that one of the matchups we like is Undead vs. Cowboy Samurai. We will release the rest of the matchups in the next few weeks as well as what maps will be used.

Alastair is still plugging away at the armies. I put together some balanced thematic match-ups, he's got some ideas of his own, and dnutt, you have quite the list yourself ;)
Alastair should be releasing some additional match-ups soon. I will, however, let the dead out of the box and give up some details ...

Undead vs. Cowboy SamuraiZombies of Morindan x 5
Shades of Bleakewoode x 2
Total: 500 pts

vs

Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan
James Murphy
Guilty McCreech
Deadeye Dan
Izumi Samurai
Kozuke Samurai
Tagawa Samurai
Total: 510 pts
We've played around with this match-up and had buckshots full of fun. In our games both sides have won. Map design is critical for this battle to help level the playing field ...

Excellent! Keep the match-ups coming. We'll try our hand at them down here too!

[Aldin]

For what it's worth, I initially voted for 4/28 but could probably make either.

~Aldin, dating himself

[1moreheroscaper]

Have you guys tried:

6 zombie squads and Sudema = 500 pts? Slow moving, but the could be reproducing.

[Alastair MacDirk]

We played it out on a new map I created for the scenario.... Cowboy Graveyard... will post it tomorrow. We found we liked 5X Zombies, 1X Shades, Sudema... vs Tagawa, Isumi, Kozuke, Ded, Guilty, James, Johnny. The shades work well with the theme and they have some use to tie up the cowboys ranged attack.

Preview of the next test case... Colman dreamt this up.... Greeks, Parmenio, Marcus, and Valguard vs. MacDirks, Alastair, Thorgy, and Finn..... stay tuned.

[Satyr]

I can not take all of the credit. MacD has made some valueble tweaks.

Greeks: 500 pts
MacDirks: 510 pts

Sudema was a good addition to the undead. She gives the undead some "killer" range that was needed to help break up Samurai formations. Totals now stand at:

Undead: 540 pts
Cowboy Samurai: 510 pts

[1moreheroscaper]

Preview of the next test case... Colman dreamt this up.... Greeks, Parmenio, Marcus, and Valguard vs. MacDirks, Alastair, Thorgy, and Finn..... stay tuned.

I like the sound of it!

[Alastair MacDirk]

Doh!

[Satyr]

:?: MacDirk do we have a time, a date, and a place for this event :?:


Some more tournament details (created by Alastair MacDirk, modified by Satyr):

The duplicate army tournament is structured to identify the best battlefield strategist; army creation is removed from the equation.

1. The tournament director (TD) will predetermine 4 competitive battles (army / map combinations). Each battle will consist of 2 armies on an appropriate map. All of the armies will be unique to each other and generally be themed to maximize synergies. The armies will generally be around 500 points, but an army will not be restricted by points since a balanced battle is more important than a rigid point structure. Maps will be specifically determined based on the army match-up and will help provide balance when necessary.

2. During the tournament each army / map combo will be represented twice. There will be a total of 8 boards with each army/map combo being duplicated. For example: Map 1 has Marro (A side) vs. Frenzy (B Side), Map 2 has Orc (A side) vs. Knight (B side), ... etc ... then Map 5 again has Marro (A side) vs. Frenzy (B side) and it is an identical army/map combo as Map 1.

3. Participants will be divided into 2 groups. The TD may seed the groups based on previous tournament results to ensure an even distribution of top players. Group A will play one side of all 4 battles and group B will play the other side of all 4 battles.

4. A player will be on a different map/army combo against a different player each game. Each game will last 6 rounds. After the last round, each player will total their points killed to establish a point differential (PD). For example: Player A killed 200 points and Player B killed 75 points, Player A would get a point differential of +125 points and Player B would get a point differential of -125 points.

5. After 4 games an average point differential for each map/army combo will have been established. For example:
Map 1 A side PDs: +125, -100, -25, +75
Map 1 B side PDs: -125,-100, +25, -75
Map 1 A side Average PD: +68.75
Map 1 B side Average PD: -68.75

6. Each participant is then ranked according to how their point differentials compare to the average for each maps. The sum of your net points for each map will determine your ranking. For example: Player X lost on Map 1 with -150 PD and the average for that side of map 1 was losing with a -110 PD ... Player X would net -40 tournament points for that map. Player X won on Map 2 with a 30 PD, the average for that side of Map 2 was losing with a -60 PD ... Player X would net +90 tournament points. Player X would have a total tournament score of +50 points from Maps 1 and 2.

More to come ...

[Alastair MacDirk]

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/normal_Cowboy_Graveyard.bmp


Here is the battlefield I've worked up for Cowboys vs. Zombies. It's called Cowboy Graveyard. Note: the Cowboys graves have been predug... the Zombies only want to help the Cowboys out and prevent them from ever having to fill them. (by turning them into ZOMBIES) It's mostly flat and open to allow the Zombies to work their Zombie Onslaught Special Attack on the Samurai and overcome counterstrike.

[Satyr]

For the Greeks vs. MacDrik melee match-up: Sacred Band x 4
Parmenio
Marcus Decimus Gallus
Valguard
Total: 500 pts

MacDirk Warriors x 3
Alastair MacDirk
Finn the Viking Champion
Thorgrim the Viking Champion
Total: 510 pts Foestone Wold
1MS, 1 RTtFF

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.jpg
Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.pdf)
(not yet play tested)

[Cantrollskulls]

Hi new to the boards and am really interested in playing in the tourney any possibility of getting in?

[Satyr]

Cantrollskulls, welcome
[looks around ... where's aldin ???]

Heck yeah, were always looking for fresh blood. We're still in the planning stages for the tournament as you can see ... looks like its gonna drop on April 21 (yay!).

Where are you commin from? Your PM mentioned Joe's Fury ... you a San Jose dweller? We've got a good group of folk in the Bay Area and some that come in from a little further out. For more info on Bay Area Scapers check out: http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=115
(this thread is way back on page 4 of the Meet Other Scapers Forum)

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

The latest maps looks fun!
Another great match-up as well.

[Aldin]

Welcome to the boards, cantrollskulls!

On behalf of our NorCal-centric and tourney loving community I extend to you a laurel and a hearty handshake.

As a new member, you can begin your journey on the path to the honor, cheers and respect of your Heroscapers peers by checking out this announcement: http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=6970

~Aldin, "here I am"

[dnutt99]

Hey,... I've been watchin you guys from afar. :shock:
Much too busy to add anything at this point. (Aside from my previous army list.) :roll:
I'll keep watchin things unfold. :shock:
I think I'm in. :wink:
If I come, I'll be accompanied by my nemesis. :?

When and where??? :twisted:
Oh,... and what to bring :?:

[Satyr]

Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.pdf)
(not yet play tested)

If anyone is interested, I posted the build instructions for Foestone Wold. As stated, the army match-up and map have not yet been play tested. Comments are welcome. I leave it to Alastair to make the final determination.

If I come, I'll be accompanied by my nemesis. :?
Hope you guys make it
:shock: :cry: :( :? :) :D 8)
:lol:

[Cantrollskulls]

Welcome to the boards, cantrollskulls!

On behalf of our NorCal-centric and tourney loving community I extend to you a laurel and a hearty handshake.

As a new member, you can begin your journey on the path to the honor, cheers and respect of your Heroscapers peers by checking out this announcement

Thanks Aldin and Satyr for making a newbie feel welcome hope to someday be able to play you both.

[Satyr]

Hell, I haven't played Aldin yet ... I think there may also be another NorCaler or two that I haven’t' played

Depending on what MacDirk has planned for finals, there may be time for pick up games ... after I demonstrate my superior tactical ability ... I want that trophy!

I'm going from the bottom to the top! Yeah baby!

:D

[dnutt99]

Hell, I haven't played Aldin yet ... I think there may also be another NorCaler or two that I haven’t' played

It seems to be an ongoing theme for Aldin and myself as well!
I owe you about 3 now Aldin! :lol:

I'm going from the bottom to the top! Yeah baby!
:D

:drowning: If you're near the bottom,... I will kindly ask you to step off my shoulders! :lol:

[Aldin]

*sheesh*

Who set up the brackets for the last tourney, anyway? I vote we blame him!

~Aldin, looking forward to the matches

[Satyr]

I'm going from the bottom to the top! Yeah baby!
:D

:drowning: If you're near the bottom,... I will kindly ask you to step off my shoulders! :lol:
:lol:

Wait a sec dnutt, you placed higher than me last time around based on SoS.

Who set up the brackets for the last tourney, anyway? I vote we blame him!

Yeah, I too want to blame the guy who was running that thing ... oh, that's not gonna work ... I'll just blame it on the fact that I was running the thing :D

[dnutt99]

Off-Topic FYI

I know there are some 1st edition MS fanatics out there so this posts' for you. Last night at the Walmart in Oakland, (Hegenberger), I came across a 1st edition MS. I already own 9 MS, (along with a ton of other expansions large and small), so I didn't feel the need to make the purchase. I saw some other MS's up top but didn't bother to check to see if by chance there were any more. I took the MS and placed it on the very back of the shelf behind the others in hopes that maybe a fellow member might want to take advantage!

If anyone does purchase it, I'd be interested to know who it is!

:ponder: Maybe I should have bought it and sold it on ebay for a hefty $300 profit,... :lol:

[Alastair MacDirk]

Well creating rankings is going to be another whole can o' worms. The initial ranking will most likely have some degree of subjectivity involved unless we just use the results of the last tourney. I don't see myself as the top ranked player though.... maybe 3rd????? JF and Voodoo I would think would rank #1 and #2.... you can't ignore their tourney results from the previous year.... started at last years Kublacon... which is coming around again in May b.t.w.

So let's say we do come up with some rankings. We also need a system to rerank the field after each tourney. Let's say you were #7 and come in 2nd. The guy who was #1 comes in 3rd.... etc. It can get complicated as I don't think you should just rank soleley on the last tourney results... I know that's not how it works in men's tennis.

[1moreheroscaper]

Well creating rankings is going to be another whole can o' worms. The initial ranking will most likely have some degree of subjectivity involved unless we just use the results of the last tourney. I don't see myself as the top ranked player though.... maybe 3rd????? JF and Voodoo I would think would rank #1 and #2.... you can't ignore their tourney results from the previous year.... started at last years Kublacon... which is coming around again in May b.t.w.

So let's say we do come up with some rankings. We also need a system to rerank the field after each tourney. Let's say you were #7 and come in 2nd. The guy who was #1 comes in 3rd.... etc. It can get complicated as I don't think you should just rank soleley on the last tourney results... I know that's not how it works in men's tennis.

I know this is a strange suggestion, but the gaming group could choose which player they fear the most in a poll. Take those, consider the results, for ranking in comparison to previous tournament results.

[Aldin]

Well creating rankings is going to be another whole can o' worms. The initial ranking will most likely have some degree of subjectivity involved unless we just use the results of the last tourney. I don't see myself as the top ranked player though.... maybe 3rd????? JF and Voodoo I would think would rank #1 and #2.... you can't ignore their tourney results from the previous year.... started at last years Kublacon... which is coming around again in May b.t.w.

So let's say we do come up with some rankings. We also need a system to rerank the field after each tourney. Let's say you were #7 and come in 2nd. The guy who was #1 comes in 3rd.... etc. It can get complicated as I don't think you should just rank soleley on the last tourney results... I know that's not how it works in men's tennis.


I know this is a strange suggestion, but the gaming group could choose which player they fear the most in a poll. Take those, consider the results, for ranking in comparison to previous tournament results.

I like it!

~Aldin, not frightening in the least

Edited to move my comment out of the quote

[Alastair MacDirk]

Well if we are going to vote on it then I would necessarily get #7 off the Alcopulco restaurant menu... 2 enchiladas and a taco, plus a side of refried beans 3-4 hrs prior to the tourney. You would come to fear me after a few rounds fo' sho'.

[Satyr]

I would necessarily get #7 off the Alcopulco restaurant menu... 2 enchiladas and a taco, plus a side of refried beans 3-4 hrs prior to the tourney. You would come to fear me after a few rounds fo' sho'.

I don't know man, the CCC brought some funky SJ Vietnamese sandwiches to the last gameday at Endgame. Whoa! It was unnerving. Thankfully they offered me one and once I ate it, I was immune to the effects.

I can already see the p.s.y.chological warfare plots forming in peoples heads.


Oh great Gods of dice. I offer unto you this sacrifice of bone. May your symbols bless my rolls.

[Guerillinator]

Instead of rankings, why not just divide everyone in the top half from last tournament into two groups, either by random or by ranking, and then do the same with those in the bottom half. If the only goal of the bracketing is just to make sure that not all the players who did well in the last tourney are put together, this splitting would seem to accomplish that. Otherwise, a ranking system seems not only very difficult to do given how infrequently we play, but also fairly subjective. Then again, it doesn't really matter to me too much one way or the other, so more power to you if there's a better way to build this mousetrap. If it comes down to Alastair's and Satyr's most feared strategy, however, I might have to go with some baked beans that have been left out on the counter top for a couple of days in the warm, fresh air to season :shock: Or maybe not.

[1moreheroscaper]

I bet a breakfast burrito with garlic and eggs would be fierce coupled with some healty chugs of chocolate milk. Feel the rumble and the wrath from both ends!

[Satyr]

You all can work your bodily functions all you want ... but your Kung Fu is weak !!! I will crush you and your rumbles as you run for the crapper.

:nkick:

anywho ...

Alastair has now gotten his butt kicked four times on the Greeks vs the MacDirks match-up ... ok, they were not @ss whoppins and the last one was pretty d@mned close ... proving that the scenario is fairly balanced.

The play testing did expose a potential stale mate scenario with the map, so I'll be modifying it this weekend. The Foestone Wold will be pushed away from the starting zone to the edge of the map and the road will come closer to the starting zones. I'll try and get the mod up ASAP.

If you play as is, it will give you a feel for the match-up and map. I'm not hearing that anyone has tried out the zombie map. How about some feed back!

[Satyr]

Lets try this variation on for size ...

Foestone Wold
1MS, 1 RTtFF

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.jpg
Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Foestone_Wold.pdf)
(not yet play tested)

Let me know if you throwdown on this map

[Alastair MacDirk]

Bump to let ya know I've updated 1st post. We are close to approving Folestone upon playtesting this week... you can too!!!! We hope to release battle #3 by next weekend and battle #4 by the end of the month. We have good army ideas and they seem balanced under the right conditions and use many figures that NEVER see light of day in common tourney armies and RARELY get drafted in open draft competetive games for fun.
Dund or Spartacus anyone???? Hope this gets your juices flowing and please keep checking as we test and add new battles. I want to leave everyone with ample time to do some homework and prepare for what I'm thinking will be really fun tourney. CCC where the heck are you?????

[Cantrollskulls]

My buddy and I are playing this thurs and will use the Foe field. Should we test with the armies above or just draft our own?

[Alastair MacDirk]

My buddy and I are playing this thurs and will use the Foe field. Should we test with the armies above or just draft our own?

The map does not need testing to see if it works for any drafted armies. You should play it with the armies suggested.... since it was built with these armies in mind. Play for 6 rounds and only 6 rounds!!!!! Count who has most points killed as winner. Then try a rematch with each player switching armies. Does the same army win or the same player? Then try the Cowboy Graveyard scenario for 6 rounds! Then switch sides, lather, rinse, repeat.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Been meaning to get some playtime in with Guerillinator.
Any word on the the other two match-up armies?

[Satyr]

Any word on the the other two match-up armies?

I'm toying with a battle of the over priced.Sparticus
Crixus
Retiarius
Tagawa Samurai Archers x2

v.s.

The Einar Imperium x 2
Empress Kiova
Deathwalker 8000
Not sure about ballance yet ... my money is on the Imperium

[Aldin]

I like a gladiator match, but how about

Spartacus
Crixus
Retiarius

vs.

Jotun
Su Bak Na

in a real arena pit battle royale!

AND

The Wild Hunt!

2xDeathstalkers
3xMarrden Hounds

vs.

Acolarh
3xWarriors of Ashra
3xAubrien Archers

through a dark and wooded foothills...

~Aldin, imaginatively

[Satyr]

Aldin, I like your ideas ... especially the Wild Hunt. 2 RTtFF minimum needed to do it justice and minimize the effects of frenzied range. May need to add in some more dogs balance it ... but maybe not.

For the upcoming Tournament we are trying to exclude huge figures ... they also are not effected by net trip.

The original match up against the Gladiators was Taelord and the Minions. But it was pointed out that the Minions get plenty of play. I still think the Sparticus/Taelord match-up may be more balanced since the Glads have specials the directly counter the Minions, the minions are slower which minimizes the effect of flight (don't want a flat map), and both Spartacus and Taelord provide power-ups.

I think a 5 move stealth flight common squad is going to mess the Glads up ... let alone the double attack.

[Satyr]

My buddy and I are playing this thurs and will use the Foe field. Should we test with the armies above or just draft our own?

I designed the map specifically for the Greek/MacDirk match-up, but tried to keep it versatile for a draft/counter draft game. Not sure what havoc range units will cause on this map. It would be best to test out the scenario and report back ... but if you do play a drafted game I'd be interested to know how that played out.

Since the map is asymmetric, I've been counting hexes every time I pass by the map. The left side (large ruin side) is slightly favored. Since the Greeks are believed to be the under dogs they should start on the 24 rock hex on the left (large ruin side).


On another note, I've created two maps for the Gladiator match-up and have come to the conclusion that neither of them really work ... they are good balanced maps, but not quite right for the Gladiator match-up. Third time is the charm ...

I should have the gladiator match-up roughed out by this weekend.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Well, there is really no need for the map to be balanced for the two sides. I think a map that makes for interesting strategies and takes advantage of different strengths of the units is more important. So don't be surprised that the maps I'm making for this are not balanced, but hopefully make the matchups work.

[Aldin]

So for the arena, to oppose the gladiators, how about:

Valguard
Taelord
Khosumet
and as many Dumutefs and/or Swog Riders as it takes to balance it out?

~Aldin, darkly

[Satyr]

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

The Killing Grounds

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.jpg
Note: The tops of the walls are out of bounds
Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.pdf)
Sets used: 1 MS, 1RTtFF, 1 FotAK

For use with:

Sparticus
Crixus
Retiarius
Tagawa Samurai Archers x2

v.s.

The Einar Imperium x 2
Empress Kiova
Deathwalker 8000

[dnutt99]

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

You say it as if: :bang: ,.....
It's OK, we will think no lower of you than we already do!
:lol:

[Satyr]

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

You say it as if: :bang: ,.....
It's OK, we will think no lower of you than we already do!
:lol:

:wedgie:

Thanks D. means a lot coming from another bottom dweller :P

:D

[dnutt99]

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

You say it as if: :bang: ,.....
It's OK, we will think no lower of you than we already do!
:lol:

:wedgie:

Thanks D. means a lot coming from another bottom dweller :P

:D

:rofl:
We feed on what we can!

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

For use with:

Sparticus
Crixus
Retiarius
Tagawa Samurai Archers x2

v.s.

The Einar Imperium x 2
Empress Kiova
Deathwalker 8000



Boy, I dont know what I"m going to do with both those armies...
Interesting map, Satyr.

That makes three match-ups...eagerly awaiting the fourth!

Btw, do you or MacDirk have a snazzy title for this event?
Let me know?

And before I forget.. My buddy and I are playing this thurs and will use the Foe field. Should we test with the armies above or just draft our own?

Welcome CantRollSkulls! Glad to have another local player on board!!!
Be sure to add your location in your user profile and check out this thread for other local players:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=115

[Satyr]

Alastair and I played a couple games last night. The Greeks vs. the MacDirks is a solid scenario. The Greeks are definitely the underdogs, but mind you they have won … it helps if you can roll some symbols. After last night we have certified this match-up and map ... with one last small change on the map ... the single raised grass hex on the road was moved to the edge. I recommend people throwdown on this scenario to feel it out, it is not as straight forward as you would think.

Actually the same is true for the zombie scenario.

The map for the Gladiators vs. the Imperium is getting modified. Two main comments: not enough cover and no opportunities for stealth flight. I'm adding walls/columns and pinch points.

Updated maps coming soon ...

I dont know what I’m going to do with both those armies...

Yeah I agree and I came up with this scenario ... as I was setting up my starting zone the main throught was ... "what the hell is my plan"

You all have a month to play half of the scenarios. I’ll here none of it after I win and people say, but you made the scenario … get rolling !!! :twisted:

We’re trying to get the last two finalized by the end of the weekend.

[Satyr]

The Killing Grounds has been updated

I don't usually make symmetrical maps, but ...

The Killing Grounds

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.jpg
Note: The tops of the walls are out of bounds
...
Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.pdf)

A second castle set is required for the tops of the walls ... one of the reasons they are off limits ;)

[1moreheroscaper]

Is there already a Utgar Soulborg army?

DW9000
DW8000
Zettians
4x Death Reavers
---------------
500 pts.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Satyr, Killing Grounds was screaming for more coverage. The update looks fine. although I'm sure a pillar or two has been knocked over during playing...?
You all have a month to play half of the scenarios. I’ll here none of it after I win and people say, but you made the scenario … get rolling !!! :twisted:

We’re trying to get the last two finalized by the end of the weekend.

Life intervenes and the next two weekends are completely out for me and playtesting. :cry:

[Satyr]

Is there already a Utgar Soulborg army?

Nope. Alastair has plans for Dund and monks. I'm not sure of the full composition of the armies for that scenario, so I'll say no more. He's been tweaking it with Racer X.


I'm sure a pillar or two has been knocked over during playing...?

Actually, I've been knocking over the trees more than the pillars. But to be honest, I knock over trees on every map ... must be the beer. I left the battlements off of the columns to help keep the center of gravity as low as possible. I could replace the pillars with trees, but aesthetically that does not work for me.

I have deleted more things from my Gallery to make space for the Killing Grounds build instruction (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.pdf)

This is now 3 of the 4 match-ups available for mass consumption.

Game On !!!

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I just now noticed there are tombstones and fresh graves dug on this map. My gosh that's an excellent touch! Well done!
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/normal_Cowboy_Graveyard.JPG

[Alastair MacDirk]

I just now noticed there are tombstones and fresh graves dug on this map. My gosh that's an excellent touch! Well done!
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10243/normal_Cowboy_Graveyard.JPG

Thanks for the kind words. Let me restate that mostly the map is flat and uninteresting to allow the Zombies a chance to work their special onslaught attack. I had to do something to make it visually appealing, have to give my bro "Angus MacDirk" credit for the graves idea and Satyr credit for the headstones from castle crennelations creativity. Was a collaborative effort.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

MacDirk, I gotta ask - any special title for this event?

[Satyr]

any special title for this event?

I like: The NorCal Tatical Tournament
Morning Star perfers: NorCal Battle Lord Tourney

Combined NorCal Strateg-hex


Anywho ...

MacDirk, how about a roll call in the first post ? I'm in, but Morning Star is out ... some kinda girly thang.

Any word on the locale ?

Is there gonna be a final showdown between the top two?

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

any special title for this event?

I like: The NorCal Tatical Tournament
Morning Star perfers: NorCal Battle Lord Tourney

Combined NorCal Strateg-hex


Anywho ...

I'm digging the Battle Lord Tourney title!
The reason I'm asking for a working title is that I'm trying to pin down an illustration for the event. I don't know what we could use it for, but that background story for the Cowboys scenario has got me all excited. Have some sketches done, just trying to find the time to finish it!

[Alastair MacDirk]

any special title for this event?

I like: The NorCal Tatical Tournament
Morning Star perfers: NorCal Battle Lord Tourney

Combined NorCal Strateg-hex


Anywho ...

I'm digging the Battle Lord Tourney title!
The reason I'm asking for a working title is that I'm trying to pin down an illustration for the event. I don't know what we could use it for, but that background story for the Cowboys scenario has got me all excited. Have some sketches done, just trying to find the time to finish it!

Oh,man!!! I'd love to see what you create for this!!!! I was already thinking this scenario was the first thing I've done that I feel strongly enough about to try and get into a CODEX... your artwork would put it over the top.

EVERYONE- PLEASE KEEP CHECKING FIRST POST! I've added battle #3 and Satyr is most likely about to release #4 at the time of this post. ALSO The tourney caps at 16 participants.... I have a list of who is in on post #!... please confirm and let me know if your status changes!!!!!!!!!!

[Cantrollskulls]

When I find out the time and place (and after I talk to my wike :shock: ) I can commit to the tourney. I already got the day off from work and am really looking forward to meeting you'all. Still trying to get my buddy to commit...but I definitely want to participate.

[Cantrollskulls]

Ah Screw it count me in for sure (gulp).

[Satyr]

Battle #4: Battle of the "Over Priced"

Sparticus
Crixus
Retiarius
Tagawa Samurai Archers x2

v.s.

The Einar Imperium x 2
Empress Kiova
Deathwalker 8000

In play testing it seems that the Gladiators are favored, but the Imperium has been able to pull off some wins.
Minor modifications (again) to the map, since it had some toppling issues :roll:

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.jpg
Note: The tops of the walls are out of bounds
Build Instructions (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/Killing_Grounds.pdf)
Sets used: 1 MS, 1RTtFF, 1 FotAK (2nd FotAK for wall tops)


I'm digging the Battle Lord Tourney title!
The reason I'm asking for a working title is that I'm trying to pin down an illustration for the event

Yeah, HEH is doin' up the art! But I'm never gonna hear the end of it with Battle Lord thang ... Morning Star is right again :D

Speaking of ... Cantrollskulls, you sure you want to commit without first consulting the social coordinator? I know how it is in my house :)

And Alastair, Malechi is not on the list of possible attendees ... you know something we don't ?

[Guerillinator]

Just wanted to confirm I was still in. Nice set up by the way on the battle of the overpriced, the gladiators don't get too much play on the games I've been in. I have another idea, not for figures, but for contestants--we should invite a couple of the SoCal players and call it the contest of the overrated. :D Whoops, did I write that out loud, my bad. :lol:

[Satyr]

:lol:

Speaking of ... ever since the CCC pulled off operation Trojan Horse (LINK) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=1284&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=), I've been edgy about new players ... not that I'm not normally paranoid ;)
Its a double edge kinda thang, I want more NorCal players, but how do I know it's not some So-called-Cal-er tryin to infiltrate and steal our trophy.

Especially since we got ban people poppin up on the forum again.

Maybe we need to brand a NorCal logo on new players or something if they're commin without a known reference :)
Background checks ... yeah ... two pieces of photo ID, a bill with your address, a local phone number, a notarized affidavit, and a blood sample ... yeah, that should do it.

I gotta go take my medication, the howlers are commin ...


All kidding aside, does it really matter … we got event pictures for reference :p

[Alastair MacDirk]

:lol:

Speaking of ... ever since the CCC pulled off operation Trojan Horse, I've been edgy about new players ... not that I'm not normally paranoid ;)
Its a double edge kinda thang, I want more NorCal players, but how do I know it's not some So-called-Cal-er tryin to infiltrate and steal our trophy.

Especially since we got band people poppin up on the forum again.

Maybe we need to brand a NorCal logo on new players or something if they're commin without a known reference :)
Background checks ... yeah ... two pieces of photo ID, a bill with your address, a local phone number, a notarized affidavit, and a blood sample ... yeah, that should do it.

I gotta go take my medication, the howlers are commin ...


All kidding aside, does it really matter … we got event pictures for reference :p
Ya, Morningstar can't let you forget to take your pills. It's this one....http://www.janethull.com/shop/images/Lithium.jpg NOT THE RED ONES!!!!!!!!

[Satyr]

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10041/thechoice.jpg

But I've always been more of a red pill person ...

[Alastair MacDirk]

So Endgame was booked with some sorta auction??!!! I got us set up at the local pizza parlor. The pizza is average, but they have room for us. No prize table this time, but bring $10 for the pizza fund. They serve beer too, so you may want to bring some cash for that as well.



http://www.superbrandsindia.com/superbrands2003/pizza-hut/pizza-hut-pizza2.jpg

[Satyr]

I don't need pizza, I'll play for beer

mmmm ... beer ... :drool:
:toast:
:drunk:

no kids or women in this thread right :hump:

[Alastair MacDirk]

I don't need pizza, I'll play for beer


Well in that case your $10 will help pay for our pizza. Thanks man!

[Satyr]

I don't need pizza, I'll play for beer


Well in that case your $10 will help pay for our pizza. Thanks man!

To hell with that! I want my $$$ spent on beer ... I bet they make more money off the beer markup than they do off the pizza.

Now I just need to get some top loaders for my cards so when a figure slips out of someone's pizza grease covered fingers and tips over one of the killing ground column which in turn knocks over my beer, my cards are nice and safe.

Public use of my cards with beer and pizza makes me nervous ...

And since I'm kinda on the subject ... I only have one set of Greeks and two sets of MacDirks. Alastair, are we rolling with proxies or asking those that got ’em to bring ‘em. There is also the thing about 8 maps ... I got 3 MS, 2 RTtFF, 2 FotAK and I’m pretty sure you in the same boat. We are going to need volunteers anyway ...

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

No prize table this time, but bring $10 for the pizza fund. They serve beer too, so you may want to bring some cash for that as well.
Bummer! I just purchased a prize set I'm sure most of us would want!
I may still bring them to pass off to the top player.
Things are shaping up and finalizing - wonderful. Thanks again for setting this up, MacDirk.

[Guerillinator]

Any hints as to this great prize? I'm guessing its a set of beer steins shaped as Krug's head.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Any hints as to this great prize? I'm guessing its a set of beer steins shaped as Krug's head.
Actually, you're very close. The other prize? It's a family site, I can't go into details.
:twisted:

[Alastair MacDirk]

I don't need pizza, I'll play for beer


Well in that case your $10 will help pay for our pizza. Thanks man!

To hell with that! I want my $$$ spent on beer ... I bet they make more money off the beer markup than they do off the pizza.

Now I just need to get some top loaders for my cards so when a figure slips out of someone's pizza grease covered fingers and tips over one of the killing ground column which in turn knocks over my beer, my cards are nice and safe.

Public use of my cards with beer and pizza makes me nervous ...

And since I'm kinda on the subject ... I only have one set of Greeks and two sets of MacDirks. Alastair, are we rolling with proxies or asking those that got ’em to bring ‘em. There is also the thing about 8 maps ... I got 3 MS, 2 RTtFF, 2 FotAK and I’m pretty sure you in the same boat. We are going to need volunteers anyway ...

I'm not too sure why you are making such a big deal about contributing to the Pizza fund. I've seen you eat pizza before. If you are concerned about food near the game we can simply choose to not combine the two. People who finish up games early gan grab a slice...... oh, ya... forgot who I was talking to- you figure you'll never have a chance to eat because you'll always be the last game to finish??? As for beer getting near the games... not sure there is much that can be done about this, but I seem to remember folks drinking beers at last tourney (and eating). Would be justice perhaps if some beer spilt on one of your maps as I seem to remember your sister's BF (Ross) knocking a nice Microbrew all over a huge map I had set up on my dining room table. I washed it off. It wasn't THAT big a deal.
You're not disappointed we're not having the tourney at Casa Snaith are you? Trying to figure your motive.

I reckon between Dnutt, 1more, Hex, you and myself we will eke out enough terrain and figs to pull it off.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I reckon between Dnutt, 1more, Hex, you and myself we will eke out enough terrain and figs to pull it off.
Let me know what I can do. I can bring my cards in their top loaders. I've got plenty of commons cards and top loaders for all the maps if need be, but the unique hero cards? That's a problem. I only have doubles of some of the heroes (Taelord included).

As well, let me know about the figures. I can supply:
10 squads of zombies (some modified in poses, so that could be a stickler point for some players)
5 squads of Greeks, Blasts, Glads,
4 squads of Monks, Highlanders, EI .

[Satyr]

Trying to figure your motive.

just causing trouble with the pizza bit
sucker
:twisted:
I'll buy you a beer.

But I was serious about the top loaders. I'm kinda particular about my stuff. Game nights I can watch so its no big deal, but that's gonna be impossible here. Put cards in condoms and it's all greasy finger, beer spilling, good times!


anyway ...

Looks like Hex can cover just about all the commons by himself ... ranked 32 in the great figure count. Holy crap, 1more is ranked 11. You guys got some stuff! For the record, altered zombies don't bother me for tournament play, all you get is a head shot anyway.

[Cantrollskulls]

Thanks for the concern Satyr. Yes I may be missing my manhood when I show up but at least I'll be there. BTW where is the pizza parlor exactly?

And between me and my partner we have 3 sets of all commons and terrain sets lemme know how much to bring to help out.

[1moreheroscaper]

I can help fill in the additional terrain needed, just let me know.

-And I'm now at 11 on the Great HS figure count, I need to add my last boost of figures...I was, and should easily still be at 10!

-Also, I recently have been evaluating my playing, which I think I'm in the 50% percentile most of the time, but in the 75% on good days. So, after long consideration I purchased a CCC style bowl from Target, I figure that should boost my playing status by 20% on any day.

[Satyr]

So, after long consideration I purchased a CCC style bowl from Target, I figure that should boost my playing status by 20% on any day.

:lol:

I'm gonna have to start workin my voodoo ... monkey paw, clock innards, an IOU, and nut shells all mixed together in a celt's skull. :twisted:

Speaking of the CCC ... I haven't seen them on the forum recently, so I dropped Joe's Fury a PM the other day. I figured there are a lot of ??? on the attendee list and some are bound to drop.

[dnutt99]

Looks like Hex can cover just about all the commons by himself ... ranked 32 in the great figure count. Holy crap, 1more is ranked 11. You guys got some stuff! For the record, altered zombies don't bother me for tournament play, all you get is a head shot anyway.

Dang,.......... I know it's no #11, but by chance did you happen to look under Mr. HEH's #32 spot,........ :roll:

Oh, and I have PLENTY of terrain! How many MS should I bring. :lol:
<peeks at signature with a certain sense of gratification as a tear rolls down his cheek>

Any hints as to this great prize? I'm guessing its a set of beer steins shaped as Krug's head.
:rofl:

[Alastair MacDirk]

Coordinating who's bringing what.........

Me bring 1 map for Zomby v. Cowboys and all figs (except zombies) and 1 map for Monks v. Vydar and all figs ( need 2 monks)
Satyr bring 1 map and figs for Imperium v. Gladiators and bring 1 map for MacDirk v. Greeks and all figs (except 1 MacDirk and 3 Greeks)
Hex bring 1 map and all figs for Zomby V Cowboys and 1 squad MacDirk and 3 squads Greeks and 2 squads monks
1more bring 1 map Greeks v. MacDirk and all figs and bring 5 Zombies
Dnutt bring 1 map Monks v. Vydar and all figs, bring 1 map Imperium v. Gladiators and all figs.

Well there you have it. If anyone is overburdened with their assignment please let me know.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Hex bring 1 map and all figs for Zomby V Cowboys and 1 squad MacDirk and 3 squads Greeks and 2 squads monks
Got it and will do! Cards (in top loaders) included.
I'll provide one of the Cowboy Graveyards maps.
It'll be easier to keep some of my stuff together.

[Aldin]

:cry:

I have just confirmed that I will probably not be able to attend.

~Aldin, grumbling

[Satyr]

Dang,.......... I know it's no #11, but by chance did you happen to look under Mr. HEH's #32 spot,........ :roll:

:shock:
not sure how I missed that!

Coordinating who's bringing what.........
It'll be easier to keep some of my stuff together.

Hex, looks like you'll be helping me and MacDirk round out figures for maps we're bringing. If you leave us to our own devices we'll end up with wolves, knights, romans, and WoA on the field ... just try getting that shield wall bonus with the Greeks :D


I have just confirmed that I will probably not be able to attend.

That's a bummer! But you did say "probably" so it sounds like there is still a chance ... :up:

~ Satyr, trying to be upbeat

[dnutt99]

Dnutt bring 1 map Monks v. Vydar and all figs, bring 1 map Imperium v. Gladiators and all figs.

:up: No problem.
1 question: Are we going to proxy DW9000 for DW8000 like the last time we met?

[Satyr]

1 question: Are we going to proxy DW9000 for DW8000 like the last time we met?

I don't think we should. Even though 9000's sculpt is more appropriate for rapid fire, we all play enough that people will be trying to get an explosion attack due to the figure. We should roll with the official figures. :2cents:

[Alastair MacDirk]

:cry:

I have just confirmed that I will probably not be able to attend.

~Aldin, grumbling

Moving you to the #17 spot. You need to prioritize your life such that the probably not becomes a definitely will. (Guilt trip alert) We need your participation. Dang it I pushed it back until after tax season just for you? :cry:

[Alastair MacDirk]

Trying to firm up the roll call for players. ( not to be confused with roll playing for callers)

What about Sexy Mama and Mrs. 1More???????

Looking forward to having some tough female commanders involved.

As a possible negotiation ploy I suggest that if they show reluctance to particpate you offer up some of your downhome lovin' in a trade-out. Yeah, that oughta work!!!

No pressure!!! Don't worry if you still can't convince your wife to attend we won't think it's because you lack "game". :wink

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I'm trying to get a buddy/casual HS player to join us. I let him know last night, he'll get back to me.
I PMed Malechi, but have yet to get a response.... :?

[1moreheroscaper]

Coordinating who's bringing what.........


1more bring 1 map Greeks v. MacDirk and all figs and bring 5 Zombies



Will do. :up:

AS FOR mRS.1more...work is in process...results pending.

[Alastair MacDirk]

I'm trying to get a buddy/casual HS player to join us. I let him know last night, he'll get back to me.
I PMed Malechi, but have yet to get a response.... :?

I PMed Malechi as well.... he's too busy playing in one of those colored caves to be bothered with us apparently.

You bringing a "ringer" eh? Silversurfer, or Silverstoner, or Stonersurfer, or whoever I bet..

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

You bringing a "ringer" eh? Silversurfer, or Silverstoner, or Stonersurfer, or whoever I bet..
Nah, that guy's gone the way of the Warcrafters. This guy is way more green. :twisted:

Anyway, I just finished setting up the undead board. It looks great!
Guerillinator should be over any minute now and we'll get 'Scapin!
Gawd, it's been too long for me!!!!

Whoot!

I'll report back tomorrow!

[Cantrollskulls]

My buddy will definitely be attending and I am trying to get him to sign up for the forums so he will have an official handle.
Scrolled the thread and found no address for the Pizza place or a start time.
Have those not been established yet?
Also have a real greenhorn coming to observe(hoping to get him to play, we'll see).

[Alastair MacDirk]

My buddy will definitely be attending and I am trying to get him to sign up for the forums so he will have an official handle.
Scrolled the thread and found no address for the Pizza place or a start time.
Have those not been established yet?
Also have a real greenhorn coming to observe(hoping to get him to play, we'll see).

Glad you and your buddy can make it.... we need some fresh blood. :twisted:

The address of the Pizza Parlor has been in bold font in the beginning of the 1st post ever since I announced that location in this thread.

So let me take this opportunity to remind everyone to.....
[b]KEEP CHECKING THE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES

Anyhow its A-town pizza at 1231 park st. Alameda you can use mapquest or whatever map program you like to help find it. :wink:

As far as your greenhorn friend goes.... he is welcome to come and check it out.... my preference is to hold the 16 spots for experienced players.... as it's going to be competetive ...... But I can promise you this, if we have an odd number of players we'll find him a spot. Fair enough?

[Alastair MacDirk]

My buddy will definitely be attending and I am trying to get him to sign up for the forums so he will have an official handle.
Scrolled the thread and found no address for the Pizza place or a start time.
Have those not been established yet?
Also have a real greenhorn coming to observe(hoping to get him to play, we'll see).

Glad you and your buddy can make it.... we need some fresh blood. :twisted:

The address of the Pizza Parlor has been in bold font in the beginning of the 1st post ever since I announced that location in this thread.

So let me take this opportunity to remind everyone to.....
KEEP CHECKING THE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES

Anyhow its A-town pizza at 1231 park st. Alameda you can use mapquest or whatever map program you like to help find it. :wink:

As far as your greenhorn friend goes.... he is welcome to come and check it out.... my preference is to hold the 16 spots for experienced players.... as it's going to be competetive ......

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Guerillianator and I got in a whopping SIX games last night!
We played the cowboy/undead map three times.
I'll let him report how well I did.
:evil:
Then we tried the Over-priced armies on the same map for another three games.
Dang - those are fast and furious match-ups!
The Tagawa archers can perform well against those Einar Imperium. 8)
DW8K is either going to make or break the game.
It was a ton of fun for me to finally use those Gladiators proper!

Great match-ups so, far MacDirk.


Here's hoping you'll submit the zombie scenario to an upcoming Codex.

[Satyr]

Got a PM back from Joe's Fury. He's not sure if he and Pitboss can make it, but they are gonna try. They are spreading the word to the rest of the CCC.

Guerillianator and I got in a whopping SIX games last night!

...

Dang - those are fast and furious match-ups!
Yeah! Throw the killing grounds in the mix and it definitly helps keep things moving. Those two scenarios are countered by the glad/blast vs. the monks and the all melee match-up ... they seem to play longer, far more tactical thought required.


DW8K is either going to make or break the game. Too true!

[Guerillinator]

News flash-zombies actually playable. :D OK, they only really came through once out of the three games I had with Hex, and probably only because the map was tailored to them, but it was great to actually see them wreak some havoc (of course, its easy to say that about any figures you control). I'd like to tell how I did it, but it involves so much strategy (losely translated as incredibly lucky dice rolling while pursuing obvious tactics) that I'll keep it to myself. The give and take though between the units is great, as the different figures do a great job countering the strengths of the various units. Nice job Allistair (and Satyr?) on setting this matchup.

My fortunes weren't so good, however, in the Gladiators v. Kiova/IE/DW8 we played. Hex made quick work of DW8 in two different games with his Tagawa archers and conversely used his IE very effectively against me when the sides were switched. I think I would have had more luck playing DW7 than DW8, then at least I could have maybe taken someone else out with me instead of whiffing early on the defense dice due to the DW curse :( Is it considered redundant at this point to say "cursed" and "deathwalker" in the same sentence??? :deadhorse: Still though, great to see some of the lesser used figures on the board knowing that the tourney boards will not be laid out with Nilf, Q-9, Raelin, and reavers everywhere. 8)

By the way, I just made my 50th post---Hex, I'm gaining on you :roll:

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

News flash-zombies actually playable. :D OK, they only really came through once out of the three games I had with Hex, and probably only because the map was tailored to them, but it was great to actually see them wreak some havoc (of course, its easy to say that about any figures you control). I'd like to tell how I did it, but it involves so much strategy (losely translated as incredibly lucky dice rolling while pursuing obvious tactics) that I'll keep it to myself. The give and take though between the units is great, as the different figures do a great job countering the strengths of the various units. Nice job Allistair (and Satyr?) on setting this matchup.

I'll chime in here: I was all thumbs with those SEVEN unique cards. :lol:
Had no clue how to handle the cowboys/Samurai scene. I was worried about losing Samurai too early to the zombies and was hoping to get some cowboys closer to take out an expected Sudema. She did indeed arrive, but I couldn't control the fumbles and SNAFUs I continued to make.
I definitely need to re-think that army! As well, the reverse army is just as shakey against those Shotgun Blasts.

The give and take though between the units is great, as the different figures do a great job countering the strengths of the various units.

Agreed.
Well thought out matches so far.

[Alastair MacDirk]

I'll chime in here: I was all thumbs with those SEVEN unique cards. :lol:
Had no clue how to handle the cowboys/Samurai scene. I was worried about losing Samurai too early to the zombies and was hoping to get some cowboys closer to take out an expected Sudema. She did indeed arrive, but I couldn't control the fumbles and SNAFUs I continued to make.
I definitely need to re-think that army! As well, the reverse army is just as shakey against those Shotgun Blasts.

The give and take though between the units is great, as the different figures do a great job countering the strengths of the various units.

Agreed.
Well thought out matches so far.

Woe be unto he who show up tourney morn unprepared!!!!!! There are special tactics and strategies necessary to playing each of these armies. I'd say the Gladiator v. Imperium might require the least amount of thought... but even so you must be careful how you use DWK.... and of course 1 whiff and it's over. The Cowboy/ Samuria requires alot more thought than most of the others that's for sure.... one small tip: it's about limiting the onslaught attacks. That's all I can say.... good luck!

[Cantrollskulls]

Thanks Alastair,
90% sure my observing buddy won't want to play he just wants to hang. We will be there with bells on

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

one small tip: it's about limiting the onslaught attacks.
Don't know about that - a successful Onslaught kill just bolsters the clusterphuck a Shotgun Blast can create!
:evil:

[Alastair MacDirk]

one small tip: it's about limiting the onslaught attacks.
Don't know about that - a successful Onslaught kill just bolsters the clusterphuck a Shotgun Blast can create!
:evil:

Ok then, try taking out a 5 def Samurai with counterstrike with 1 zombie's regular attack and see how far you go with that strategy :twisted:

[sexymama]

:D Hey all :D

Of course I will be there, though I won't have much time to practice, I already feel like I'm going to get my but kicked.

But's that's okay, as long as I'm playing Heroscape, who cares!! :headbang:

See ya there!

Oh how long do you expect the tourney to run, I do need to leave around 6:30.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

one small tip: it's about limiting the onslaught attacks.
Don't know about that - a successful Onslaught kill just bolsters the clusterphuck a Shotgun Blast can create!
:evil:

Ok then, try taking out a 5 def Samurai with counterstrike with 1 zombie's regular attack and see how far you go with that strategy :twisted:
Nah, I saved that for the Kozuke when I held the plateau and height advantage in the center.
:twisted:

[Alastair MacDirk]

Welcome to the tourney Sexymama! We hope to wrap up the tourney about 4ish.... which means it could run to 5ish.

[Guerillinator]

Alastair, I have a rough idea of who's in so far, but what is the cofirmed list looking like so far and how many openings remain? If nothing else, I can always play two boards at once-:lol: Well, maybe not, but I can never seem to get enough of this game.

[Aldin]

Okay - I'm out :(

~Aldin, who has a nephew turning four

[Alastair MacDirk]

Alastair, I have a rough idea of who's in so far, but what is the cofirmed list looking like so far and how many openings remain? If nothing else, I can always play two boards at once-:lol: Well, maybe not, but I can never seem to get enough of this game.


Let me take this opportunity to again remind folks to CHECK THE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES

[Satyr]

Alastair, I have a rough idea of who's in so far, but what is the cofirmed list looking like so far and how many openings remain? If nothing else, I can always play two boards at once-:lol: Well, maybe not, but I can never seem to get enough of this game.


Let me take this opportunity to again remind folks to CHECK THE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES

5-Sexy Mama??? Confirmed Yes
12- Can't roll skulls buddy???? Confirmed Yes
17-Aldin- probably not Confirmed No :(


So, by my count we are definitely 101 - Alastair MacDirk- in
2 - Satyr - in
3 - Heretic - in
4 - Dnutt - in
5 - Sexy Mama - in
6 - Guerillanator - in
7 - Hex Enduction Hour - in
8 - 1more heroscaper - in
9 - Cantrollskulls- in
10 - Cantrollskulls buddy - in
11 - Racer X- likely in
12 - Mrs. 1more?????
13 - Malechi?????
14 - Grimm????
15 - Rico?????
16 - CCC ???

On the plus side it looks like cantrollskulls is bringing a third that we can press into service if need be ...

[Alastair MacDirk]

Hex is working on bringing another as well.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Hex is working on bringing another as well.
I'm trying, I'm trying.
Wish these guys would respond sometime!
:roll:

If not, can we hold at 10 contestants and throw in a fifth match-up/map?
Vipers vs. Marro?
:D

[dnutt99]

If not, can we hold at 10 contestants and throw in a fifth match-up/map?
Vipers vs. Marro?
:D

:ponder: ...
V. Warlord............120
V. Vipers x4..........160
A. Vipers................65
EOV.....................100
A. Archers..............70
............................515

NGS........................90
M. Drones x3........150
M. Hounds..............90
M. Warriors.............50
KMS.......................130
.............................510

That sounds pretty fun. Think I'll play it tonite!
Just for kicks that is.

[Malechi]

Guys I am sorry I haven't responded. I am trying to square things so I can make it, but haven't been able to as of yet. I was good weith either date last month, but things happen. I wanted a definite answer for you before I responded, but it was taking too much time and making me look flakey. I apologize again for not responding. Count me out for now, if things change I will let you know and take an alternate slot.

[Aloenzo]

Hey if its not to much can i join your guys game. i should be abel to make it eaither date but if i cant ill make sure to let you all know.

[1moreheroscaper]

Hey guys, Aloenzo is "1more Addict," as Satyr named him from the last ValleyDwellers get-together in Tracy. So, no SoCal infiltration here.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Welcome to the tourney Aloenzo. Please do me a favor and check back in the week before the tourney and confirm you are coming. I put your name in the 1st thread, so there will be a slot held for you.

[Aldin]

Welcome to the boards, Aloenzo!

On behalf of our NorCal meeting and tourney confirming community I extend to you a laurel and a hearty handshake.

As a new member, you can begin your journey on the path to the friendship, acclaim and respect of your Heroscapers peers by checking out this announcement: http://heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=6970

~Aldin, who enjoyed meeting you and wishes he was going to be there again this time

[Satyr]

Malechi, did you catch that there is beer at the venue ... it may even come in pitchers. Think of all the potential mischief :twisted:

Welcome Aloenzo, I was wondering if we would ever see you on the forum. The word is that you've been snatching up all the wave 6 at Hobbytown. Hope you can make it to the tournament, it should be a blast.

.. but if i cant ill ..
I'll hope you don’t make us ill ;)

FYI. Some forum folks are pretty fanatical about punctuation. I think us NorCalers are a pretty laid back bunch, but watch out for others. IMO, they can get down right rude. Just thought I’d give you a heads up before someone jumps you and others pile on.

[Guerillinator]

Yes punkuation. And korrect grammmer is verry. importuant to all of we people in Norden Cali;

Looking forward to meeting you Aloenzo at the tourney :toast: Only two weeks to go :D

[Aloenzo]

well thanks for the warm welcome all. I appoligize for the bad grammer. I try hard not to mess up when i type. But anyway i now know where it is i just would like to know what day and time exactly. That way ill know exactly how im supposed to get there so that im not late. i do have the full ok but most likely ill be ther around 8:00am unless i get a ride from someone else to arrive at a later time that which is more arourd when the tournament starts.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Most of the info you need is in the 1st post in the thread. It will start around 11am... so 8 am might be a bit early. Maybe you can find a convenient spot for 1moreheroscaper coming from Modesto can pick you up on his way in.........??????

[Aloenzo]

ok thanks sorry i didnt notice it on the first post before with thelocation in big bold letters right next to it its hard to notice right away

[Grim]

Hey, Grim and Rico are IN.

Thanks for saving spots for us. Sorry about the delay. Rico has been trying to get the DC politicos to start up some Heroscape subsidies, and I've been in Beijing studying Sun-Tzu.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Hey, Grim and Rico are IN.

Thanks for saving spots for us. Sorry about the delay. Rico has been trying to get the DC politicos to start up some Heroscape subsidies, and I've been in Beijing studying Sun-Tzu.

This is very good news indeed. If you are doing research for the tourney, I'm not sure what good you expect Sun-Tzu to do you, but be sure to brush up on your Richard A.Teague, Ray Kroc, and Candide Royale as well.... maybe some vintage Roger Corman to round things out. :thumbsup:

[Aloenzo]

Hey My friend whos place i took in the last tournament i played is about 90% sure he can make it and wants to come if so i wont have to show up really early to the game.

[Satyr]

Grim and Rico are IN.
... 90% sure he can make it ...

Assuming we get a full 16, that would put us around 30% commin' from the central valley. Way to go guys!

What's up with the CCC.
uhhhhh ... KAKAW ?!?

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Ouch. G-nator and I got the last two maps assembled and we played the armies on them.
I had my @$$ handed to me all night tonight.
Things look dismal for this contestant, 'Scaper fans.

Just ouch.

Great playing, Guerillinator!

Gotta get the drawing done. I didn't realized the event was on the horizon!
:shock:

[Satyr]

Less than a week! I gotta get scaping ... still haven't played the monks yet. I haven't rolled any dice expect to get decimated in a 2 on 1 game.

Time to desecrate an alter :twisted:

[Guerillinator]

After playing a couple of games with Hex using the monks v. soulbergs, I'd really like to see someone in the tourney make good use of Dund. I see his potential from playing this battle out twice, but saying a H/S figure has potential is like someone telling you that your blind date has a "nice personality" --- its good to know but probably not the first thing you were hoping to hear. Great decision to include Dund though, if for no other reason then that he doesn't normally get much play time and thus we are all on an equal playing field. I'm curious if someone really relies on him heavily whether it will pay off or just be so many wasted turn markers -- guess its time to go make some offerings to the d-20 dieties (after all, sometimes its better to be lucky than good).

[Alastair MacDirk]

Dang.

[Alastair MacDirk]

I see your new tag line at the bottom of your post and I'll tell you this.... after you get abused by Dund in the tourney, someday you will be the Old Gamer Laying in Bed and it's more likley you'll be saying.... "Damn, I wish I'd drafted Dund more often."

[Guerillinator]

:D In the unlikely event I do get abused by Dund, I probably won't live to be an old gamer since instead I'll be more likely to spontaneously implode due to my inability to actually believe what has just happened. Then again as the witch Granny Weatherwax said in Terry's Pratchet's Equal Rites (Discworld series), "Million to one chances crop up nine times out of ten."

[Alastair MacDirk]

You are making me wish we face each other in that battle just so I can make you rue the day you ever doubted the powers of Dund. :johnwoo2:

[Grim]

Dund! Come here, Dund! Good boy.

Hey, Grim and Rico are IN.

Thanks for saving spots for us. Sorry about the delay. Rico has been trying to get the DC politicos to start up some Heroscape subsidies, and I've been in Beijing studying Sun-Tzu.

This is very good news indeed. If you are doing research for the tourney, I'm not sure what good you expect Sun-Tzu to do you, but be sure to brush up on your Richard A.Teague, Ray Kroc, and Candide Royale as well.... maybe some vintage Roger Corman to round things out. :thumbsup:
Gremlins, McDonald's, Porn, and Zombies? I do not see how that will help my preparations... oh, now I see, that is exactly your intent, to disarm me with these wonderful distractions...

I shall not! My objective is clear as mud. You can learn a lot from pondering mud. And Sun-Tzu.

Come, listen. Sun-Tzu has this to say about the turtle:

The Duke of Ch'u sent envoys to find Chuang Tzu and ask him to become the Duke's chief minister. They found him out by a river, fishing, with a contented look on his face. They interrupted his reverie by asking him to come to the capital to work for the Duke.

Chuang Tzu, upon hearing their request, related a tale. "I have heard of a sacred turtle in Ch'u that died three thousand years ago. The Duke keeps it wrapped in a special cloth and guarded in a special temple. May I ask if the turtle prefers to be dead and worshipped or if the turtle wanted to be alive and crawling around in the mud, dragging its tail?"

The envoys replied, "Of course, the turtle would want to be alive and crawl around in the mud!"

"Then go home," said Chuang Tzu. "I also want to be alive and crawl around the mud, dragging my tail."

Now ponder this:

Each game will last 5 rounds.
I think the turtle will want to be alive and crawl around in the mud, dragging his tail.

[Satyr]

Each game will last 6 rounds.
I think the turtle will want to be alive and crawl around in the mud, dragging his tail.

He's going to turtle!

[Assess] them to find out their plans, both the successful ones and the failures ... Test them to find out where they are sufficient and where they are lacking ... the ability to gain victory by changing and adapting according to the opponent is called genius.

You doom is sealed :twisted:

Heads up EVERYONE. Alastair increased the round limit to * 6 * a while back. Play testing showed that round 5 was often the tipping point ... it could go either way ... after round 6, it is usually pretty clear. I'll go back and edit that post. Grim, thanks for pointing that out.

[Satyr]

4. A player will be on a different map/army combo against a different player each game. Each game will last 6 rounds. After the last round, each player will total their points killed to establish a point differential (PD). For example: Player A killed 200 points and Player B killed 75 points, Player A would get a point differential of +125 points and Player B would get a point differential of -125 points.

So, if we are counting points killed ...

If the shades steal two of my cowboys and I have to kill them, who gets the points for the kill? Morning Star did this to me and we ruled that since they started the game as my units, she got the kills ... talk about salt in the wound.

Seems to make sense since if it was a normal points remaining scoring, she would have claimed the cowboy points if they survived till the end of the game.

Zombies may seem complicated, but it’s just a matter of how many are dead at the end of the game.

What say ye ???

[Alastair MacDirk]

Let's count points remaining.
If the a Cowboy gets Soul devoured then his points count toward to whoever controls him at the end of round 6. It's too simple this way.
:johnwoo2: :zombie:

[Satyr]

Let's count points remaining.

Greeks: 500 pts
MacDirks: 510 pts

Undead: 540 pts
Cowboy/Samurai: 510 pts

Imperium: 500 pts
Gladiators: 510 pts

Glad/Blast: 490 pts
Monks: 460 pts

I would buy into the remaining points if most of the beginning point differentials are what you would normally see in a tournament. In this case, however, the monks and Cowboy/Samurai are short a full 30 points (an enitre unit). In a normal tournament I'd shove in guilty, a swog or a Dumatef to fill the points. I'm not saying we should add another unit to these armies, but these armies start off handicapped ... this was on purpose with the undead, but what about the monks ???

And lets not forget our Turtle ;)

[dnutt99]

:cry: 50% bad news to report.
Sexymama is out of contingiency, (spellcheck?)!
There are more pressing events that must be graced with her presence. :)

I, however, am still a go, (having only payed the 3.5 games at Alastair's :oops: ) ).

[Alastair MacDirk]

Let's count points remaining.

Greeks: 500 pts
MacDirks: 510 pts

Undead: 540 pts
Cowboy/Samurai: 510 pts

Imperium: 500 pts
Gladiators: 510 pts

Glad/Blast: 490 pts
Monks: 460 pts

I would buy into the remaining points if most of the beginning point differentials are what you would normally see in a tournament. In this case, however, the monks and Cowboy/Samurai are short a full 30 points (an enitre unit). In a normal tournament I'd shove in guilty, a swog or a Dumatef to fill the points. I'm not saying we should add another unit to these armies, but these armies start off handicapped ... this was on purpose with the undead, but what about the monks ???

And lets not forget our Turtle ;)

I am shocked.... shocked that you of all people are bringing up the army sizes. Because I know you know that army A could be comprised of units totalling 535 points and army B could have 185 points at thebeginning of the game, and while that would matter in ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT, this is a duplicate armies tourney. Therefore you are only compared on a +/- basis of the point differential at the end of the battle to all the other folks that played the map.... as long as we all have the same armies, and we will, it doesn't matter how many points the armies are or however else they may be mismatched. Shhhheeeeeesh!

I see now that you only threw this out rhetorically so I would have to explain the entire concept again. Yo

[Satyr]

:oops:

... I mean yeah, I was just testing you

:duh:

Anyway ... Sorry to hear a sexymama. She was nearly a contender last go around. We seem to be hovering around 14/15 people. Morning Star may be able to fill in if we find ourselves odd the day of the event ... but she wouldn't get their till noon.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Hey guys, I got Coffee Dave to join us for tomorrow.
Hope you'll have him.
He'll be carpooling with me and Guerillinator!

[Aloenzo]

hey guys i got some good news and some bad im alowed to go but i dont think ill have ride seen as how my friend cant make it now.

[Alastair MacDirk]

Try getting ahold of 1moreheroscaper or Grim. Click on the PM button on the bottom of one of their posts to this thread and send them a message to call you (leave your phone #) and arrange for a ride. I'm assuming you live in Tracy area.... they live east of you sort of.

[Aloenzo]

ok can do

[Malechi]

Guys, have fun.

It is a good thing for you that I had to back out, I am a major cold central distribution center right now. I would be sneezing and coughing all over everyone ... And after a day of sneezing into my hand (in an attempt to not spread germs) and then moving figures (the same ones everyone else will eventually use) you would all have it - and it is not something nice. Yesterday, no matter how hot my body was, my bones literally felt like they were shivering/shaking apart!

[Alastair MacDirk]

Guys, have fun.

It is a good thing for you that I had to back out, I am a major cold central distribution center right now. I would be sneezing and coughing all over everyone ... And after a day of sneezing into my hand (in an attempt to not spread germs) and then moving figures (the same ones everyone else will eventually use) you would all have it - and it is not something nice. Yesterday, no matter how hot my body was, my bones literally felt like they were shivering/shaking apart!

[Satyr]

Sorry to hear it Malechi. We haven't seen you for a while ... was hoping the beer would entice you out, but it sounds like its for the best. Next time.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Fantastic, fun time! Thanks Alastair for the great tournament!
Congratulations to Satyr, the new NorCal Champion!!!!

[heretic]

Great job setting up the tourney guys, great location, great boards, great army match-ups, and great group of competitors. That was a lot of fun!!!

[Guerillinator]

Great set up, I think it will be hard to top the tourney format of preset armies and point differentials. Not only is the scoring system fair, but playing a variety of H/S figures on different boards is a lot more fun that facing the same recurring tourney foes all the time. Can't wait for the next together sometime down the line.

FYI-I have decided in the interest of common decency to never, never, ever wear the prize I received today (who knows, it may end up on a prize table in the future???) :oops:

[Cantrollskulls]

Guys,

Thanks so much for having me and jason there. We had a blast. It actually revived our HS fervor. We've only been playing each other for so long we can almost always predict whats going to happen, Jason kicks my ass. :lol:

Satyr congrats on the winning most entusiastic as well as the Nor Cal Trophy. You and Alastair are Zombie Masters.

Sorry we had to leave so quickly I promised my wife we would be on our way home by 5:00. Next time I will plan for a little extra time.

CRS

[Alastair MacDirk]

Pizza, Beer, and Heroscape!!!!!!!!! How could in not be a great tourney!!!

As predicted by Guerillanator, Dund let me down.... I'm going to have to point the finger of blame on Dund for my lack of success at the tourney.

Congratulations again to Mr. Satyr........huzzah !

I need to thank the folks that were instrumental in making the tourney a success witht their help.
:arrow: Satyr for helping create the battle scenarios.
:arrow: Racer X for negotiating our way back into the venue and for being the pizza wrangler.
:arrow: Heretic for putting his Masters degree in statistics to good use by crunching the numbers.
:arrow: Hex, 1more, and Dnutt for bringing maps and figures

Regarding the format: Heretic has some interesting ideas about a similar, yet different tourney. Each player would bring 2 pre-built armies and could base them on any synergies, theme, or idea they'd like. Each player would bring some terrain pre-built into modular sections. On gameday the maps would be created from the MODS and 2 armies would be picked (by the group?) to face off on these new maps. Then we'd do the same as this tourney and you'd play one of those armies on each map against a different player.... similar scoring although we may figure out a correction for strenght of schedule (SOS) whereby if you play 4 patsies you'd accrue less points than someone who played 4 players with high scores. It needs alot of discussion before it is ready to roll out. But it is a decent idea. I see room for problems with the way that the modular maps could end up making every map being favorable for ranged and flying units because they are so complex. We most likely have a couple of months to work it out.

DAMN- it didn't take long to strip me of my title under my avatar.... now I'm back to being a nobody :cry:

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

.... now I'm back to being a nobody :cry:
Yep. By the way, who are you again?
:wink:

[heretic]

Again great tourney and big Huzzah to Satyr, our new NorCal Champion!!! May the mantle of title holder rest but briefly upon his weary shoulders.

CBR:
It was great meeting you, Jason and the other distant players. We should be getting together more often for games. The Bay Area isn’t that big.

Regarding revived HS fervor:
After the tourney, I was up late engaged in a roaring debate (with myself) about how much new HS stuff I NEEDED to buy. The only thing that saved my wallet from a serious hit was the time of day.

Regarding a new format:
Firstly, yesterdays tourney was fantastic, the maps and pre-chosen armies were well balanced and a lot of fun to play. The scoring system, using a player’s differentials from the average (DFA?), was brilliant, and the concept of incorporating a correction for strength of schedule (SOS) would make it even better.

With that said, the only element I can think to improve on would be the amount of randomness and uncertainty in the tournament. The overriding concept would be to alter the format so we reward the General who can think best on their feet and most effectively use an army they have never seen before.

In order to accomplish this, all we need do is have each participant bring 2 pre-built armies to the tournament. We would then have twice as many armies as needed to assign to each map. We could randomly select 1 of each person’s 2 armies and randomly assign it to a map, or pick the army match-ups by consensus. This would leave 1 leftover army per person to be used as a substitute army in case some armies are too similar, or someone can’t bring any armies, or if someone only brings totally unplayable armies.

For the maps we have two choices. The first and most random option would be to use pre-built modular sections (MODS) that each participant brings and we snap together at the tournament. This ensures that no one would be able to pre-play any of the maps, but could lead to some really unbalanced maps. The second and probably best option would be to just use entirely pre-built maps that have been posted and approved for play ahead of time.

Then we game on in a similar manner as yesterday’s game. Record differentials at the end of a set number of rounds, and use the differentials to calculate DFA and SOS to determine which General is the most versatile, knowledgeable, quick witted, bad ass of the group.

So is next weekend too soon?

[1moreheroscaper]

Great gameday tourney.

Congradulations for the new title Satyr, long over due...considering all the gameday's you have been a major part of.

Great structure of the tourney, it was refreshing. Thanks Heretic for the numer crunching. Thanks Satyr for map layouts and play testing. Thank to...I can't remember your name, the guy who had this idea for this tourney in the first place...was it Dirk? Al?, oh, nevermind...thanks again.

For everyone else, it was great seeing the the regular faces: HEH, G-Nator, Racer X, Grim, Rich, and Dnutt. Also, it was great to see some new faces at the tourney, hopefully we keep seeing you in the future.

As for sadness, sorry to see Malechi ill, no Aldin, no Morningstar, no Sexymama, no Mrs.1moreheroscaper, no CCC members, no Reapersaurus(for sometime now), no ToryAdore either, and no Silverstoner. Just letting it be known that all previous attendees were missed.

KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR THE NEXT VALLEYDWELLERS GAMEDAY THREAD! I already have more ideas on how to determine player match-ups randomly, but predetermined schedules. Some players will be playing 2-part maps for quest, other players will play the role of the defenders. I also like the idea of pre-made defending armies for each map. Perhaps the questing player will have a pre-determined army pool to choose from at the start of their quest...more clarity and details to come.

[Satyr]

:headbang:
Great event MacDirk. It was good seeing now familure faces and some new ones. My only complaint is that I did not get to play most of you. The victory was kinda a surprise.

I'm keeping it brief since I'm a bit under the weather ... but I got ideas for tournament improvement bouncing around my head that I'll post later.

[Malechi]

I'm keeping it brief since I'm a bit under the weather ...

Trust me, if I had shown up it would have been much worse ...

[Cantrollskulls]

Once again great tourney guys and I forgot kudos to Heretic for his number crunching. Jason and I are already building some interesting armies and will post them soon to get some feedback.
i really like the idea of bringing partial maps and marrying them to get some truly unique and varied terrain.
Mostly I would like to put myself out there to play some non-tourney action sometime soon.


CRS

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

OH!

I want to give another thanks to Grim!
He supplied all us contestants with those baseball card-styled HS cards!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Grim!
Very generous of you!
8)




***I was supposed to have a flyer finished and handed out to everyone yesterday, but it never materialized - too busy, too lazy, you name it.
I'll try and get it done for the next event!!!!!

[heretic]

Yeah, those HS cards are great!!! Thank you Grim!!!

[Aldin]

Congratulations, Satyr!

~Aldin, who wishes he'd been there to offer the congrats in person

[Grim]

Congratulations Satyr! Way to win with the McDirks. And that final "blessed" dice roll was amazing.

I really liked the Battlelord format. And it was fun to play with lesser-used figs. Thanks to Alastair and all who helped put this together. Huzzah!

I also like Heretic's ideas for a modification, not knowing all the armies in advance.

...

On the cards, you're welcome. Reminder that I just printed them. Raudulfr Shieldcrusher created them:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=7346

...

dnutt: you got your revenge on me, and it was a crushing win. Well done!

...

On that McD topic, I am quite upset at myself for disobeying my own pre-battle orders. I was supposed to just wait. And wait. And wait. Overextending Alastair but doing nothing else. Buffing the Warriors up to 6-7 attack. More importantly, staying on the start zone high ground. Two outcomes were conceivable:

1. Boring tie. CONS: not getting ++ point differential. PROS: not getting butt kicked.
2. Rounds 5-6 or just 6, McDirka-dirka attackery goodness. Possibly gain some points, possibly lose a squad or two. But again, better than getting slaughtered.

I think the other 3 maps average point diff was generally near 0 (nice!), but the McDirks lost by an average -100. So, yeah, in 20/20 hindsight, it seems to me that turtling McDirks was the best strategy.

And that's something to keep in mind for future maps, I think. Perhaps start zones should be 1. totally open, and 2. lower elevation, to eliminate the turtle strategy.

[Alastair MacDirk]

The "fetal position in starting zone" strategy could be countered by a decent suggestion by Guerillanator.... at the end of the game. Deduct pts for each figure still in starting zone. I would add that it should be doubled for a double based figure or the points lost should be a % of the figures value (25%????) , get Spartacus up off his a s s.

Heroscape cards like baseball cards??????? I not only didn't get any, I didn't even see any. I don't even know what you all are talking about. Thanks Grim!

[Malechi]

Mostly I would like to put myself out there to play some non-tourney action sometime soon.

"Non-Tourney" action reminded me of the last great No Scores, Just Play day at HeH's. Summer is coming in fast! HeH, is your backyard gonna be available again for Bar-b-que, Battle, and Beer? We can boil the sausages first this time.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

The "fetal position in starting zone" strategy could be countered by a decent suggestion by Guerillanator.... at the end of the game. Deduct pts for each figure still in starting zone. I would add that it should be doubled for a double based figure or the points lost should be a % of the figures value (25%????) , get Spartacus up off his a s s.


I like the suggestion. That was my only teensy-weensy concern about the tournament structure/style- the possiblity of holding points back in the starting zone.
But my concern is not from playing experience - on Saturday NONE OF MY OPPONENTS PLAYED THIS HOLDING-OUT TACTIC! Great adversaries all the way down the line.


Mostly I would like to put myself out there to play some non-tourney action sometime soon.

"Non-Tourney" action reminded me of the last great No Scores, Just Play day at HeH's. Summer is coming in fast! HeH, is your backyard gonna be available again for Bar-b-que, Battle, and Beer? We can boil the sausages first this time.

I would love for you guys to have a free-for-all game day at my house again.
My wife and I have bought a vacation home up in the mountains, so the opportunity for us to game in Newark is drastically reduced.
BUT :!:

I have been thinking of doing an all-guys Heroscape retreat up at my second home if you all want to make the long drive up there (3.5 hours from Newark).

Let me know if you are all game for playing in Newark or Pollock Pines!

Yeah, someone's got to get me off of BBQ duty - I suck! :x
And I promise to have music on if and when we play again some day. I forgot to put it on last summer.
The A-Town Pizza restaurant coulda used some tunes as well (okay my second teensy-weensy gripe of the tournament :lol: )

[Satyr]

Newark, Pines, Coalinga *ahem* I-5 Beatdown ... I'm there!

Hex, I'd be happy to handle the grilling detail.

"IS IT SAFE?"
"WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?"
"WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE BODIES?"
:D

I grill all summer long anyway, so it no problem ... anything to keep parboiling outta the picture.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Guys, I talked to Mrs. HEH. She's all for another BBQ Game day!
She thinks mid June would be fine -before her and I finish teaching and head out of town for the summer.
8)

I'll keep the momentum rolling - I'll up the number of good deeds around the house and get back to you all.

[Cantrollskulls]

Nice! Is this Family friendly or just the guys. Gotta know if I need to start buttering up the wife now. :shock:

Heroscape cards like baseball cards??????? I not only didn't get any, I didn't even see any. I don't even know what you all are talking about. Thanks Grim!


Alastair Jason and I each got a set but since we store our stuff together we only need one set do you want us to save the other for you?



CRS

[Malechi]

I have been thinking of doing an all-guys Heroscape retreat up at my second home if you all want to make the long drive up there (3.5 hours from Newark).
Fine with me as long as I got a floor space to throw my sleeping bag ...

Guys, I talked to Mrs. HEH. She's all for another BBQ Game day!
Coolatious! But, no UD this year okay?

Newark, Pines, Coalinga *ahem* I-5 Beatdown ... I'm there!
For those NorCal players that have not seen the I-5 Beatdown Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=948&start=465), it has resurfaced and we need some NorCal players interested to defend the North part of the state against the invading hordes from the South!

I grill all summer long anyway, so it no problem ... anything to keep parboiling outta the picture.
Weren't you in charge with last years burnt on the outside, raw on the inside sausages?!? :twisted:

[Grim]

Heroscape cards like baseball cards??????? I not only didn't get any, I didn't even see any. I don't even know what you all are talking about. Thanks Grim!
Gah! Sorry! I thought I handed out a set of sheets to everyone. Obviously I missed some. :oops:

Anyone else who didn't get theirs, let me know. I'll get them to you somehow. USPS is certainly an option.

[Satyr]

Guys, I talked to Mrs. HEH. She's all for another BBQ Game day!

COOL !!! This summer is crazy, but I'll try and move stuff around for this event. 2nd annual ...

I grill all summer long anyway, so it no problem ... anything to keep parboiling outta the picture.
Weren't you in charge with last years burnt on the outside, raw on the inside sausages?!? :twisted:

:lol:
No, but I was on the receiving end of one ... ate half before I realized that I needed to drink a lot of beer to kill everything, including my likely hood of winning anything that day. I gotta point my finger at too hot a fire.

[dnutt99]

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10246/normal_colman.jpg
:D Thanx everyone for a super-friggin-awesome day of scapin. Everybody helped out and coordinated the event quite nicely. Extra thanks to Alastair, for initiating things and putting is trophy on the line, thanks to Satyr, for all the army/map colaborating, thanks to Heretic for taking charge of organizing rotation and numbers, and thanks to Racer X for diligently addressing the food and beer consumption needs for the whole lot of us! A lot of new faces, always good, and a lot of familliar faces. It was nice to battle some new opponents, and even G'nator and I got to go at it. We've missed each other at the last few events. I'm really going to have to start getting out more and traveling around you guys' way for some friendly deathmatches!!! :twisted: Congrats to both SATYR and GUERILLANATOR,.... :lol: ,...... well at least to Satyr for bringing home something he'd want to display to the world!!!
Can't stay long folks, I've got books to "publish",....... OFFICIAL UNIT SECTION.
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10246/normal_scott.jpg

[Alastair MacDirk]

I have been thinking of doing an all-guys Heroscape retreat up at my second home if you all want to make the long drive up there (3.5 hours from Newark).

All-guys heroscape weekend in the woods! Doesn't sound uber-nerdy at all............. I call dibs on the top bunk.

Grim- don't sweat the cards amigo. Was just giving you a hard time.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

This was the SECOND game day that I forgot my camera! This thread is sorely mising pictures! But Dnutt pulls through...
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10246/normal_colman.jpg
:rofl:
A NorCal game day would not be the same without Satyr!
That last defense roll was amazing!!!

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10246/normal_scott.jpg
Bang a gong
Get a thong
Get it on!

[Aldin]

I'm about 50/50 on whether Satyr's more excited about the trophy or the beer :roll:

~Aldin, who never wants to see that thong again ESPECIALLY on the winner of said thong :puke:

[Guerillinator]

~Aldin, who never wants to see that thong again ESPECIALLY on the winner of said thong :puke:

You're not the only one. I wore the thong with just a cowboy hat on BART and get kicked offed the train. :D Actually, its only biding its time until the next lucky recipient is deemed worthy (or until I can talk my wife into wearing it). :shock: