superficial tundra question

[caravaggio]

once again, i'm a little puzzled as where the best location for this thread is. normally i would put it in a "general HS discussion" file but i dont think there is one here. anyway, while HQ was down, i started poking around boardgamegeek and found a review of the tundra set. the guy was saying that the ice pieces we kind of transparent. from most of the pictures i saw i assumed the ice was just like the new ugly water but more powder blue than true blue. then on some close ups taken by some lucky guy who was able to buy one of the hundred or so sets for sale at the hasbro site, there appeared to be some kind of strange crackling texture on them (but it could have been a strange photo distortion). so what's the deal? how does the ice really look?


...and is this the right place to post this question?

[Teamski]

Having the ice here with me, it reminds me of the sparkly water. It has about the same transparency to it. I thought it was going to be solid, but it isn't. Yep, I was the guy on the grassy knoll with the 5 sets he got from Hasbro.

-Ski

[caravaggio]

Having the ice here with me, it reminds me of the sparkly water. It has about the same transparency to it. I thought it was going to be solid, but it isn't. Yep, I was the guy on the grassy knoll with the 5 sets he got from Hasbro.

-Ski


awesome! i love sparkly water and now i love ice (though i havent seen it). however, now i'm even more confused as to why we had to switch to crappy solid water. if sparkly water was so expensive, then why make the ice that way?

by the way, i think it's great that you got your 5 sets so fast from hasbro. i would have done the same thing. i dont even mind the guy who ordered 20 sets. i just think hasbro sucks for only stocking enough to last a day and to start selling it weeks before it's available in stores. just goes to show that whoever is in charge of heroscape distribution STILL has no idea what they are doing.

[ultradoug]

Perhaps the cost of the ice helps with how its made, vs the large amount of water that is neaded for master sets. I dont know.

[Teamski]

I don't blame Hasbro a bit. In the past, they were among the last to get anything. And now, they stepped it up and are now the first. The distribution at Walmart and Target for new Heroscape products is the worse it's ever been and I have been in the game since the beginning. Something strange is going on. Wave 4 showed it's typical 2 sets per store (if lucky) and then nothing. Hasbro is trying to fill a void for some reason. I'd like to know why. So, when everybody clears out the Hasbro warehouse, it is no surprise. Add VERY competitive pricing, free shipping or (in the case of Wave 4) 25% off, you better believe that fans will clear the shelves!!

-Ski

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

once again, i'm a little puzzled as where the best location for this thread is. normally i would put it in a "general HS discussion" file but i dont think there is one here.

So put it there! :wink:

...and is this the right place to post this question?

Not anymore. :wink:

Thanks Caravaggio

[caravaggio]

I don't blame Hasbro a bit. In the past, they were among the last to get anything. And now, they stepped it up and are now the first. The distribution at Walmart and Target for new Heroscape products is the worse it's ever been and I have been in the game since the beginning. Something strange is going on. Wave 4 showed it's typical 2 sets per store (if lucky) and then nothing. Hasbro is trying to fill a void for some reason. I'd like to know why. So, when everybody clears out the Hasbro warehouse, it is no surprise. Add VERY competitive pricing, free shipping or (in the case of Wave 4) 25% off, you better believe that fans will clear the shelves!!

-Ski

i'm going to let a moderator move this thread to the general discussion forum... since i dont know how!

i understand hasbro wanting to fill their virtual shelves. i would just expect a little foresight on the part of those distributing the sets. if you're going to offer to sell a new expansion set (that you know people are looking forward to), put it on sale, offer free shipping on large orders and make essentially an exclusive by being the only place in the world where this thing is available at this time (i guess sandra had a few too) wouldnt you think to stock more than 50 copies?

how long are these expansions going to have keep selling out everywhere before hasbro realizes that they are not making enough or shipping enough initial inventories?

i dont blame hasbro for wanting to get in the game, i blame them for playing it so poorly!

[endpawn]

I don't blame Hasbro a bit. In the past, they were among the last to get anything. And now, they stepped it up and are now the first. The distribution at Walmart and Target for new Heroscape products is the worse it's ever been and I have been in the game since the beginning. Something strange is going on. Wave 4 showed it's typical 2 sets per store (if lucky) and then nothing. Hasbro is trying to fill a void for some reason. I'd like to know why. So, when everybody clears out the Hasbro warehouse, it is no surprise. Add VERY competitive pricing, free shipping or (in the case of Wave 4) 25% off, you better believe that fans will clear the shelves!!

-Ski

i'm going to let a moderator move this thread to the general discussion forum... since i dont know how!

i understand hasbro wanting to fill their virtual shelves. i would just expect a little foresight on the part of those distributing the sets. if you're going to offer to sell a new expansion set (that you know people are looking forward to), put it on sale, offer free shipping on large orders and make essentially an exclusive by being the only place in the world where this thing is available at this time (i guess sandra had a few too) wouldnt you think to stock more than 50 copies?

how long are these expansions going to have keep selling out everywhere before hasbro realizes that they are not making enough or shipping enough initial inventories?

i dont blame hasbro for wanting to get in the game, i blame them for playing it so poorly!

There is no way they only had 50 copies I bought a ton.

[MacG]

I'm with Endpawn. They probably had hundreds or a thousand, but if you throw in free shipping and a cheaper price (cause they own the product), many people probably went to them first. I did, although I also bought from Funagain on preorder.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

i'm going to let a moderator move this thread to the general discussion forum... since i dont know how!


Moving and Merging can't be done here, Caravaggio.I can lock the thread and you can start it in the General Discussion area. Or continue here, let it run its course, and we can do away with it later.

I was going to start it myself in the appropriate forum, but It appearred awkward when I quoted everything here and posted it in the new thread under my username and avatar.

[Kenntak]

Not to step on any toes, but threads can be moved but not merged. (Hex, see the buttons on the bottom left). I moved this to general discussion.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Not to step on any toes, but threads can be moved but not merged. (Hex, see the buttons on the bottom left). I moved this to general discussion.

Yay! Thank you Kenntak! I was searching around for you yesterday to ask you some questions - moving included. Glad to know we can move them. Thanks again.

[caravaggio]

yeah thanks kenntak for putting this in the correct forum.... now that it exists.

as far as whether or not hasbro online had 50 or even 1000 copies of the tundra set is irrelevant. the point is... whatever the supply, it wasnt enough to last more than a day or two.

not to mention i understand that they are shipping 1 tundra with 2 heroes like they did with the trees last year. did not a single hasbro distribution employee visit (or even talk to) a local target or walmart and see the shelves full of large heroes but not a forest set to be found anywhere?

i guess the real frustration is that this distribution problem has been getting worse lately rather than better.

[jbbnbsmith]

I'm with Endpawn. They probably had hundreds or a thousand, but if you throw in free shipping and a cheaper price (cause they own the product), many people probably went to them first. I did, although I also bought from Funagain on preorder.
I bought four from them. I think they were overwhelmed with a rush of orders. I hope this will encourage them to sell new expansions early in the future as well, only to better stock up. Hopefully this was yet another wake up call to Hasbro as to the demand for this product, and mostly from adults.

[Malechi]

Not to step on any toes, but threads can be moved but not merged. (Hex, see the buttons on the bottom left). I moved this to general discussion.

Yay! Thank you Kenntak! I was searching around for you yesterday to ask you some questions - moving included. Glad to know we can move them. Thanks again.

I do find it humorous that threads cannot be merged to consolidate threads, but can be split to make up more and more threads! Sorry, what was the topic of this thread again?

Oh yeah, the Ice expansion, I don't have it as of yet. Does anyone else have a mild cardo-vascular incident when the Ice Age 2 playset gets to close to the HeroScape merchandise and just for that one split second you think ...

[Oprime]

If you put the ice tiles one top of grass or rock you can distinguish the color of the tiles thru the ice. So visualy they dont look to good when on top of other tiles.

[Su-Bak-Na]

Hi guys I just joined, I don't like how transparent everybody says they are, I think it wound make the board look wierd. But I still think this will be the best terrain pack yet.

[caravaggio]

Hi guys I just joined, I don't like how transparent everybody says they are, I think it wound make the board look wierd. But I still think this will be the best terrain pack yet.

you must not have any sparkly water.

[stay_golden_PONYBOY]

I think the ice is very well done. I think the snow tiles could have been worked a little better. Still a great set. Figures are pretty sweet too.

[Su_Nan]

The thing that bothers me is that you dont get enough snow tiles to make big maps. You would need over six sets to do a large map completely with snow. I, myself, got two sets and its not nearly enough.

[StarSlayer]

I plan to try and keep up with my normal 7 for the common packs, that would hold true for the ice also.

Sad thing is, it looks like I need to order everything through mail from now on.

Most of the stores have done away with HS expansions on the shelf.

[Teamski]

I have to agree with you there. A new master set with the snow pieces would of been perfect. Even I feel my 4 sets ain't enough!! I'm sure Hasbro knew this from the beginning and you can bet on seeing the Tundra selling bucketloads much like the RTTFF sets!

-Ski

[Su-Bak-Na]

Hi guys I just joined, I don't like how transparent everybody says they are, I think it wound make the board look wierd. But I still think this will be the best terrain pack yet.

you must not have any sparkly water.

Yes I do, I can't determine the color under them though.

[skyknight]

The thing that bothers me is that you dont get enough snow tiles to make big maps. You would need over six sets to do a large map completely with snow. I, myself, got two sets and its not nearly enough.

I have four tundra sets 80.00
Today I bought 1 EOV master set, I got it for 10 but lets say fourty for giggles
1 big bottle of Acrylic white 2.59
Nearly twice as much snow is now drying upstairs while I type this. I also picked up antoher set at regular price to make more lava. Once you have a few glacial mounds you really do not need to keep buying tundra. I will also mod the master set figs and then trade them for more terrain. It is a win win situation

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

I think the ice is very well done. I think the snow tiles could have been worked a little better. Still a great set. Figures are pretty sweet too.

The snow is totally white, but I really like it. the glaciers are tops.

I agree with SkyKnight. I think too many sets will have an overabundance of glaciers. I currently have three sets.

Four should do me fine.

[caravaggio]

i was planning on getting 5 (assuming i ever get the chance to buy them). but with 10 master sets does that seem like enough?

i was considering buying another EOV set to use as "light snow". i planned on only painting the tops white and leaving the rest brown. painting the whole thing white, i would imagine that after a few uses the sides would have gotten all scratched up and look cheap and crappy with brown showing through. let us know how it turns out skyknight.

i dont know what kind of paint i would use that would be scratch resistant (even the tops would eventually get worn) and if its even necessary to bother with this kind of tile that i imagined would be a good transition between heavy snow and grass.

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?

[jbbnbsmith]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?
Brown, green, grey, and tan. Sorry, I couldn't resist

[caravaggio]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?
Brown, green, grey, and tan. Sorry, I couldn't resist

ha ha ha hmm hmmm mmm.....

i said "kind" not "color". you think youre so funny with your tundra sets sitting on your table while the rest of hang around like losers waiting for somebody to get off their ass and put the damn things on the shelf.

to quote michael jackson...

"you ain't bad! you ain't nuthin'!"

[Bobbo]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?

Well, its sort of a moot point, since the paint never really has the opportunity to rub off. The plastic that they cast the terrain in is colored brown, with green, grey and tan paint on the tops. Since nothing ever touches the tops of the hexes, the paint never rubs off. The lava is the same way, except obviously the plastic they use is red.

I don't have any proof of this (curse you tundra people), but I'd be willing to bet that the snow plastic is white, with any colored paint only on the top.

[Bobbo]

You can bet on seeing the Tundra selling bucketloads much like the RTTFF sets!

I think that's really interesting, since I tend to think of the Tundra more like the lava set than any other. Do you think that the lava or the Tundra will sell better in the long run? I tend to think the tundra, since the Obsidian guards hardly ever get played even if there is lava on the board.

Actually, I think the Tundra is like a combo of the roads and the lava, with the cool tree like things.

[stay_golden_PONYBOY]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?I don't have any proof of this (curse you tundra people), but I'd be willing to bet that the snow plastic is white, with any colored paint only on the top.

Snow tiles are solid white. No paint. And the glaciers are sweet. When they become available again, I might try hitting one w/ a little red and black spray paint for my lava sets.

[caravaggio]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?

Well, its sort of a moot point, since the paint never really has the opportunity to rub off. The plastic that they cast the terrain in is colored brown, with green, grey and tan paint on the tops. Since nothing ever touches the tops of the hexes, the paint never rubs off. The lava is the same way, except obviously the plastic they use is red.

I don't have any proof of this (curse you tundra people), but I'd be willing to bet that the snow plastic is white, with any colored paint only on the top.

it's not a "moot point". everybody already knows that the master set peices are cast in brown plastic, lava cast in red, and snow cast in white. not only does this save money for hasbro only having to paint the tops (or nothing at all in the case of the snow) but it helps with wear and tear so the color on the "toothy" part of the tiles doesnt wear off. the tops are still going to get some wear either from people throwing them in a box after use or from people just playing rough with them.

whatever the case, the green, tan, and grey paint seems to be pretty durable and not "tacky" (perhaps it has a finishing coat). so, if a person wanted to make some high quality "light snow" (meaning the base was brown but the tops were white....

...what kind of paint would you use?

jees, am i not saying it right?

[Teamski]

anybody know what kind of paint is on the stock master set peices?I don't have any proof of this (curse you tundra people), but I'd be willing to bet that the snow plastic is white, with any colored paint only on the top.

Snow tiles are solid white. No paint. And the glaciers are sweet. When they become available again, I might try hitting one w/ a little red and black spray paint for my lava sets.

My only concern with the glaciers is the fact that they very well may be the first "delicate" components to the game in regards to the paint job. They are so delicately detailed that I think it won't take long for scrapes to show on them. Use a bit of care when handling them. A couple scrapes have appreared already on mine, just from packing....

-Ski

[Teamski]

You can bet on seeing the Tundra selling bucketloads much like the RTTFF sets!

I think that's really interesting, since I tend to think of the Tundra more like the lava set than any other. Do you think that the lava or the Tundra will sell better in the long run? I tend to think the tundra, since the Obsidian guards hardly ever get played even if there is lava on the board.

Actually, I think the Tundra is like a combo of the roads and the lava, with the cool tree like things.

Snow plays completely different than Lava. Since you can safely traverse snow AND ice, you will see a lot more of it than lava used on the map. Add glaciers that block LOS and you have a winning map combo. If you use the light snow rules, the movement is just 1 per hex, with no impact on the game. While lava didn't sell that well due to it's restrictive nature, I believe the positive contribution that tundra gives to game play will have it almost match RTTFF in sales......

-Ski

[stay_golden_PONYBOY]

My only concern with the glaciers is the fact that they very well may be the first "delicate" components to the game in regards to the paint job. They are so delicately detailed that I think it won't take long for scrapes to show on them. Use a bit of care when handling them. A couple scrapes have appreared already on mine, just from packing....

-Ski
The pegs on the glaciers are my biggest concern. I'd hate to have them break off and leave the glacier "floating" on the map. I hope the castle walls have a better anchoring system.

[caravaggio]

Snow plays completely different than Lava. Since you can safely traverse snow AND ice, you will see a lot more of it than lava used on the map. Add glaciers that block LOS and you have a winning map combo. If you use the light snow rules, the movement is just 1 per hex, with no impact on the game. While lava didn't sell that well due to it's restrictive nature, I believe the positive contribution that tundra gives to game play will have it almost match RTTFF in sales......

-Ski

that's a good point, ski. i never really considered that. i would say that the biggest thing the tundra sets have going for them is their simple beauty. the "light" snow rules are total crap, but from the marketing perspective you pointed out they make sense.

so, in keeping with this theory of making new terrain that benefits characters rather than penalising them, where do we go? other than roads that enhance movement, i'm a bit stumped. maybe a wheat field that enhances defense or something.

personally, i rather see some larger snow sets with more interesting animals instead of monsters. polar bears and arctic foxes would be great in a set with large white terrain peices, more ice, and perhaps a cool snow cave (like the castle door) that can be built into hillsides rather than glacier tops.

deserts seem a likely next step but how to do them without penalties is a problem. perhaps the deserts are deadly but the oasises can be like cool powerful glyphs? maybe some more cool egyptian guys for the wolves to play with?

maybe this should be a new thread?

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

My only concern with the glaciers is the fact that they very well may be the first "delicate" components to the game in regards to the paint job. They are so delicately detailed that I think it won't take long for scrapes to show on them. Use a bit of care when handling them. A couple scrapes have appreared already on mine, just from packing....

-Ski
The pegs on the glaciers are my biggest concern. I'd hate to have them break off and leave the glacier "floating" on the map. I hope the castle walls have a better anchoring system.

Yes! I agree! I've considered cutting the pegs off too. Is there a really good reason why pegs and holes were incoporated?!?
The ruins and terrain aren't like that. I know it's very different battlefield conditions, but, but, WHY pegs?!?

[caravaggio]

Yes! I agree! I've considered cutting the pegs off too. Is there a really good reason why pegs and holes were incoporated?!?
The ruins and terrain aren't like that. I know it's very different battlefield conditions, but, but, WHY pegs?!?

hmmm, i'm not liking what i'm reading. can we get a close photo of this precarious connection between the pegs and holes? some of us poor bastards may never get to see any glaciers otherwise!

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Yes! I agree! I've considered cutting the pegs off too. Is there a really good reason why pegs and holes were incoporated?!?
The ruins and terrain aren't like that. I know it's very different battlefield conditions, but, but, WHY pegs?!?

hmmm, i'm not liking what i'm reading. can we get a close photo of this precarious connection between the pegs and holes? some of us poor bastards may never get to see any glaciers otherwise!

Here:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/glacierPEGS.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/glacierHOLES2.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/glacierHOLES.jpg

[caravaggio]

ah... so there's a kind of "fake" ice tile plinth that the glaciers fit into. the "individual" ice tiles in the merged hex plinth are no doubt counted among the "21" ice tiles that come with the set. as claire huxtable would say... "saaaad". if youre worried about them breaking off i guess i would suggest carfully gluing each glacier to its repective plinth ahead of time. the down side being that the glaciers would no longer be "stackable".

well, anyway, thanks for the pictures! that was fast!

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

well, anyway, thanks for the pictures! that was fast!

You've always got me running around here, Caravaggio. :wink:

[Jaz1597]

Hey Caravaggio...

I was worried about the pegs, too, until I actually got my hands on a set. While it's not my idea of a perfect situation, the glaciers are very durable. As long as you're not stupid with them, the glaciers will last.

As for the ice, I definitely like the new tiles. They are very cool and sparkly. Contrary to what some have said, you CAN tell the tile type through sparkly water, but it's MUCH easier to tell through an ice tile. However, I don't find this to be that much of a problem. I still really like the way the ice tiles look.

And as for the snow...well, that just really grew on me. I didn't like it at first, but now I love it.

[Jaz1597]

Oh, and I almost forgot. The glacier bases are NOT counted among the 21 ice tiles. They are IN ADDITION.

This is nice, because it means you can substitute ice for water in any map provided you have 1 Tundra per MS.

Hope that helps.

[Teamski]

Excellent photos HEX!!

You have nothing to fear in respect to the pegs. They are very sturdy and do not snap into the holes, but instead they sit in them, so there are no worries about breaking them off. Except for the paint, the glaciers are just as robust as any other component in the gaeme.

-Ski

[LilNewbie]

Where did you notice the scratches, Ski? I've stacked the 3 hex glacier inside the large glacer to save room and then stacked the 4 hexers together. I have them sitting on top of the bagged snow and ice. All the snow stuf is in a container of it's own. Hopefully this precaution will keep the wear and tear to a minimum. The pegs aren't that big of a deal and seem pretty sturdy. My advice is don't put a lot of weight on the glaciers when storing them and they should last a long time. Great pictures, HEH!

Newb.

[ReverendBayes]

Thanks for the great pics, HEH. You've made waiting for TT to appear in local stores that much more bearable.

[netherspirit]

Thanks for the great pics, HEH. You've made waiting for TT to appear in local stores that much more bearable.

Yeah, no kidding, I hate you HEH. Not really...but I am jealous.

I can't wait to get snow and giant heroes! From what I have seen the Snow looks amazing on the board.

[caravaggio]

well, i guess there's no problem with the tundra sets other than the fact that they are nowhere to be found! these close ups by H-E-H finally showed how the ice looks. to me, it looks exactly like the sparkly water (though i understand you can see through it a bit better). i already mentioned that i think its silly that sparkly water was too expensive to keep producing yet now the ice is made the same way. whatever. i just hope that if anymore expansions come out with water (like a "river expansion" or something) that it uses the sparky water...or perhaps comes in two variations (sparkly and ugly).

thanks again H-E-H for the photos. sorry to have you running around.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

If I can be helpful, I wanna be helpful!

Here are the scenarios - were they posted on HSHQ? I haven't played them, but I wanna:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/TTscenario001a.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/TTscenario001.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/jonan_jello/TTscenario002.jpg

[vernz]

thanks for posting all that stuff Hex for the ones who didnt get a tundra set

[netherspirit]

HEH, if you want to scan the whole rulebook I have Adobe Pro and can make the images into a PDF?

[dickflea]

Whao the colours of TT are excellent, now i just wished i had sparkly water titles.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

HEH, if you want to scan the whole rulebook I have Adobe Pro and can make the images into a PDF?

That's a possibility, Nether. I think I can convert to PDF to if I'm not mistaken. Let me see if I have more time tonight.

I stayed home from work today to watch our kids. As is evident by the amount of posting I did today. . .

Anyway, did you read the bios for these scenarios? I love them. Little snippets of Valhalla for you. Reminds me of the bio you wrote for your glyph entry. Always fun to read and get a glimpse of the land of the Valkyrie.

[hex706f726368]

I haven't played them, but I wanna:

I have played "The Storm of Frozen Shards" twice, once from the invading side and the other from the defending side. Both times the defender held easily. Not enough games to be conclusive, but the scenario felt very impossible against a competent player/drafter.

[Rÿchean]

Thread resurrection. (I guess didn’t want to start a new one for such a closely related post)

Thaelenk Tundra observations:

Had it for a couple of weeks now. As a whole I think it is very cool, aesthetically anyway. Glaciers are just amazing.

The heavy snow / slippery ice rules are definitely unimaginative. :poorpost:

The ice to snow ratio is out of whack...need more snow..BIG TIME :roll:

The ice pieces are too transparent...The maps I have made have the frozen/snow stuff higher up which means putting ice over normal terrain. Sand and grass show right through ice pieces and basically looks like butt. Rock or snow underneath looks the best.

Stacked snow looks good, which is probably why I think i need more snow. ( I have 3 sets)

whatevs… some observations I had.

I like it; just some things about it bug me more than just a little.

[caravaggio]

Thread resurrection. (I guess didn’t want to start a new one for such a closely related post)

Thaelenk Tundra observations:

Had it for a couple of weeks now. As a whole I think it is very cool, aesthetically anyway. Glaciers are just amazing.

The heavy snow / slippery ice rules are definitely unimaginative. :poorpost:

The ice to snow ratio is out of whack...need more snow..BIG TIME :roll:

The ice pieces are too transparent...The maps I have made have the frozen/snow stuff higher up which means putting ice over normal terrain. Sand and grass show right through ice pieces and basically looks like butt. Rock or snow underneath looks the best.

Stacked snow looks good, which is probably why I think i need more snow. ( I have 3 sets)

whatevs… some observations I had.

I like it; just some things about it bug me more than just a little.

i totally agree with you. here's a link to a thread about improving the snow rules...

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=49

i dont know about the other rules yet, but i definately think that a -1 attack/defense when standing on ice is good. there has to be a difference between snow and ice!

i was kinda thinking that a little frost coat like you use on glass (either as a spray or a plastic sheet) placed inside the ice might help wit how crappy it looks on a sand or grass peice. i dont know, i haven't taken to modifying any of my heroscape stuff yet but it's an idea).

another thing that bugs me and may be worth modifying is that if the holes in the glacier bases went all the way through the base, hanging the glaciers upside down would be MUCH easier. do i dare get out the dremel?

and about the snow...

i think an ALL SNOW MASTERSET should be in the works (with improved snow rules). definately need larger tiles of white. and yeah, i've got a box half full of ice just sitting around while all the snow gets used up.