Marro Plague

[Kahrma]

Quick question - do you roll for Marro Plague each turn, or only on turns when the Marrden Hounds are activated?

i.e. My hounds are adjacent to 2 Gorrilinators. My first turn marker is on my Zettian guards. After moving my Zettians, do the Hounds roll plague against the Gorrilanators?

Thanks!

[negation]

No, because the card says after moving

[Aranas]

You roll for Marro Plague only on turns when the Marrden Hounds are activated. Must also remember to roll only once for each affected figure, not for each Marrden it is adjacent to. Example: Finn, even completely surrounded by Marrden Hounds will only roll once for Marro Plague.

[bobofett]

You roll for Marro Plague only on turns when the Marrden Hounds are activated. Must also remember to roll only once for each affected figure, not for each Marrden it is adjacent to. Example: Finn, even completely surrounded by Marrden Hounds will only roll once for Marro Plague.

i think that's kinda stupid, i did that in the beginning but then i found out it doesn't work that way.

[Aranas]

You roll for Marro Plague only on turns when the Marrden Hounds are activated. Must also remember to roll only once for each affected figure, not for each Marrden it is adjacent to. Example: Finn, even completely surrounded by Marrden Hounds will only roll once for Marro Plague.

i think that's kinda stupid, i did that in the beginning but then i found out it doesn't work that way.

Bobofett, before saying it's stupid, go and search/read the FAQ. Here it is, from HeroScape official site:
Marrden Hounds
Collection 3: "Jandar's Oath"
If I have 2 Marrden Hounds next to 1 figure, how many wounds can that figure receive in one turn?
That figure can only receive 1 wound depending on the D20 roll. Marro Plague can only affect a figure once per turn, no matter how many Hounds are adjacent to it.

[negation]

So you can roll the D20 for as many hounds adjacent but that person can only recieve a max of 1 wound.

[netherspirit]

So you can roll the D20 for as many hounds adjacent but that person can only recieve a max of 1 wound.

No, you only roll the dice once for each figure that is adjacent to a hound. No matter how many hounds they are adjacent to you only roll once for that figure.

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[shakey_snake]

How do you get that interpretation, Nether? I read it negation's way.

[netherspirit]

Marro Plague
After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control. If you roll a 16 or higher, that figure receives a wound. Soulborgs and Wulsinu are not affected by his marro plague.

I bolded the the keyword that makes it so each figure only has the plague rolled against them once.

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[Jason]

The word that causes confusion to many is "each" if they had replaced it with "all" nobody would get confused

[shakey_snake]

Marro Plague
After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control. If you roll a 16 or higher, that figure receives a wound. Soulborgs and Wulsinu are not affected by his marro plague.

I bolded the the keyword that makes it so each figure only has the plague rolled against them once.

This is my 960th post. 41 more and someone will win some Wave 1!!!!that makes sense.

[Revdyer]

Agreed. The key seems to be that the d20 roll is not for the Hounds but for the potential victims, once for each one to see if they get plagued.

edit: inserted the word "potential"

[mathguy]

The word that causes confusion to many is "each" if they had replaced it with "all" nobody would get confused
Actually, that hypothetical replacement with the word "all" would imply that you roll only once for all figures (i.e. they all get plagued or none get plagued).

How about "roll the 20-sided die once for each figure that is adjacent to any number Marrden hounds"? Well, then, a rules lawyer might say, isn't zero a number?

[Malechi]

MARRO PLAGUE
After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control. If you roll a 16 or higher, that figure receives a wound. Soulborgs and Wulsinu are not affected by his marro plague.

The word that causes confusion to many is "each" if they had replaced it with "all" nobody would get confused

So you think: After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for all figure[s] adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control.

Sorry. Doesn't work at all. By that wording you roll the 20-sided die once and only once, no matter the number of Hounds; nor the number of adjacent figures.

The way it is currently worded is the best possible way to get the intended outcome. It simply requires some amount of reading comprehension. What grade is an eight year old? Oh right! Reading comprehension at a 3rd grade level.

:twisted:

[Kahrma]

Thanks for all of the responses! Just seems odd to me that a group of Tarns or Izumi or Knights could potentially hang out with the hounds for an entire game and not worry about the plague - until I place a turn marker on the hounds. I was kinda reading my own interpretation of Marrden epidemiology into the card. I guess this is just another instance where the rules don't mesh with (what I would consider) common sense.

Although, it makes things much easier at the starting zone!

[Jason]

It really can be read 2 different ways by people with a grasp on the English language. Here is what it says

"After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control. If you roll a 16 or higher, that figure receives a wound. Soulborgs and Wulsinu are not affected by his marro plague. "

-It could be seen that it is saying you roll the 20 sided die once (total) for each/every figure adjacent to any Marrden Hound. In this case once is being used as a singular saying that no matter how many figures the D20 is only rolled once

-It could also be seen to say that each figure adjacent to a hound rolls once with the emphasis being on each with once describing what to do in each case (so you could roll the D20 15 different times in 1 turn)

*Malechi doesn't seem to understand that people beyond a 5th grade comprehension can interpret sentences and oral statements differently depending upon where the emphasis is placed :shock: :D

(For example the phrase "BOY am I shocked" would be understood as sarcasm whereas "boy am I SHOCKED" would express actual shock- both represent the same phrase but without understanding upon the location of the emphasis 2 people could understand it differently-the capitalized word in each example was the word with the emphasis)

[sigm0t]

Emphasis is not the issue on that ability as it's written. If it were to be only rolling the d20 once total, it wouldn't say "once for each figure". It would say "once for all figures".

Also, "BOY am I shocked" and "boy am I SHOCKED" are both missing a punctuation mark (after the 'boy'). Either way it's read means the same thing whether it's in sarcasm or reality.

[MacG]

"After moving and before attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to any Marrden Hounds you control. If you roll a 16 or higher, that figure receives a wound. Soulborgs and Wulsinu are not affected by his marro plague. "

-It could be seen that it is saying you roll the 20 sided die once (total) for each/every figure adjacent to any Marrden Hound. In this case once is being used as a singular saying that no matter how many figures the D20 is only rolled once

-It could also be seen to say that each figure adjacent to a hound rolls once with the emphasis being on each with once describing what to do in each case (so you could roll the D20 15 different times in 1 turn)

Except the second sentence says "that figure", clearly indicating that we're talking about the second case. Context, it's your error checker and interpreter all in one!


*Malechi doesn't seem to understand that people beyond a 5th grade comprehension can interpret sentences and oral statements differently depending upon where the emphasis is placed :shock: :D

Except that Malechi and most beyond 5th grade readers are capable of reading MORE THAN ONE SENTENCE at a time. See above.


(For example the phrase "BOY am I shocked" would be understood as sarcasm whereas "boy am I SHOCKED" would express actual shock- both represent the same phrase but without understanding upon the location of the emphasis 2 people could understand it differently-the capitalized word in each example was the word with the emphasis)

Using sarcasm is a really bad example. Sarcasm is an exercise in saying one thing while apparently saying something else. Witness how badly sarcasm comes across online; people not getting sarcasm when posted or ascribing sarcasm to something that was meant directly.

You want to make an example where emphasis really matters or where an unclear sentence confuses things.

"Find the inducting unit with a bright red handle. Turn to its right to tighten."

That could mean turn the bright red handle to the right to tighten. It could mean turn the entire inducting unit to the right. It could mean turn the handle to the right of the inducting unit.

[ReverendBayes]

A slightly different question came to mind:

Assume you control two squads of marden hounds, and all six are adjacent to separate enemy figs. If you place one order marker on the hounds, you only get to move and attack with any three of the six.

But, do you get to roll for plague with *all* six?

Ordinarily I'd guess no, but the wording on the card makes the answer to this question unclear to me.

[Grungebob]

Yes you do get to roll for all

[ReverendBayes]

Yes you do get to roll for all

Thanks, GB!

[Grungebob]

Also if you have 6 guys surrounding just one hound you roll six times

[morgonis]

never really thought about it before, but going by the text of "EACH figure adjancent to ANY marrdon hound"...am i translateing that correctly to mean you can marro plague youw own troops ?

[netherspirit]

Yes. Except Wulsinu and Soulborgs.

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[Aranas]

never really thought about it before, but going by the text of "EACH figure adjancent to ANY marrdon hound"...am i translateing that correctly to mean you can marro plague youw own troops ?

Can? No, alas this is not an "option". You MUST also roll for friendly figures including yours. Use them carefully!

[morgonis]

thank you for the correction from can to must, although in the context of sentence structure i had kinda assumed it would have been read as meaning if you can then you must...my bad :)

[Revdyer]

Thanks, all, for the clarification on this on. Most of these rules arguments do not have much, if any, effect on my game. But this one means that I just *have* to go out and buy more hounds.

[Malechi]

A slightly different question came to mind:

Assume you control two squads of marden hounds, and all six are adjacent to separate enemy figs. If you place one order marker on the hounds, you only get to move and attack with any three of the six.

But, do you get to roll for plague with *all* six?

Yes you do get to roll for all

Now that was a good question!

:D



A Thank You to those who responded to Jason's post on my behalf. I had actually placed a Cease and Desist upon myself. I just couldn't waste anymore board space responding to more of his jackassery.

:wink:

[bushi96]

So, on a lighter note- Has anybody had any success with these hounds? I just played my first game with two squads of them. Killed one measily unit and effectivily created a bottleneck on MY OWN troops movement out of the starting zone. Would like to hear some success stories, these are the first troops that I really dislike.

[Rÿchean]

Use em with soulborgs, they work great to tie up stuff for DW8K

I played two sets of them once with DW9 and DW8 = 450 pts

[Bazooka]

So, on a lighter note- Has anybody had any success with these hounds?

If by success you mean killing your own Marro with Marro Plague...then yes I am very successful

http://volcanocom.com/redskelton-gallerycom/ushop/images/IT74_CVisioneerDocumentsSadWhtFCln.jpg Marro Clown is sad