PS3, Xbox360, or Wii

[ElvenMessengers]

Ok so I'm having some trouble choosing between one of these systems for my prefrence. Any opinions?

[johnny139]

Wii. It begins and ends with Wii.

[sakijr]

Wii no contest

[Uprising]

ZOMG!!!!!1111

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[Havokscry]

Seems like the young ones prefer the Wii, or I should say are obsessed with it. I've played both and prefer the 360. I like the pretty graphics more than the unique controls and I'm a fan of the shooters.

[Chameleon]

What kind of games do you like?

[Aldin]

Welcome to the boards, sakijr!

On behalf of our brevity loving and Nintendo Old School community I extend to you a laurel and a hearty handshake.

~Aldin, who hasn't gone Wii yet

[django]

ok here try this grab two remotes sit down and swing your arms around...Wii!
now do you really want to stand to play video games?

360 FTW!

[Nakita_yeahtheydothat]

I picked PS3 for one reason. . . MONEY! It's worth more.

In my opinion, I would have a 360 and a wii since you can get both for the price of a ps3.

[django]

what?

I think Sony is talking about a price drop already.
and unless its something really special(REZ,PROJECT JUSTICE,STARCRAFT64,Mario's missing)video games & consoles value go down real fast the initial cost means nothing.I dont understand you. :?

[countblah]

wii. Fully completely.

[jcb231]

Well, I would take 360 over PS3 anyday of the week.

But....Wii is awesome too. Comparing Wii to 360 is a bit unfair though. 360 is superior in every technical way and has a far better lineup of real gamer's games....the traditional sort of fun we've come to know and love.

Wii is something a bit new, and future releases promise to be interesting. Ultimately I think the Wii still has to proove itself...several Wii games are fun now but I'm seeing increasing criticisms of gimmicky-ness which only adds to my own concerns of how serious the machine really is. If you can only get one, and you're a long-time gamer, I'd go with the 360. If you're new to games or don't play them that much or just want something fun for parties and get-togethers, get the Wii....just don't expect there to be a ton of great games for it. Nintendo's games will be great, but they will be released a lot more sporadically than 360 games, if past history is anything to be considered.

As for comparing the two...I think they can't really be considered in the same league as they are so different. Wii is really the type of thing many folks would get in addition to a PS3 or 360 if they can afford it. Assuming 360 lives up to the promise of becoming truly backwards compatible I'll be buying one sometime after Halo 3 comes out....I'll also be getting a Wii via trade-in of my gamecube. Both are great machines that take a very different approach to gaming.

The PS3....meh. A lot of money and so far there hasn't been a knock-em-dead title for it. Maybe in the future it will be a reasonable investment but certainly not now. The PS2 is a much better purchase than the PS3, currently.

[jcb231]

what?

I think Sony is talking about a price drop already.
and unless its something really special(REZ,PROJECT JUSTICE,STARCRAFT64,Mario's missing)video games & consoles value go down real fast the initial cost means nothing.I dont understand you. :?

I think what he means is that if someone offered him a choice of the three as a gift, he'd take the PS3 to re-sell as it is worth the most.

I'd do the same, to be honest, and use the money to buy a Wii and 360. I answered the question in my post above assuming that I was picking one to keep though. :-)

[django]

I was not thinking resale. :duh:

[Havokscry]

Well, I would take 360 over PS3 anyday of the week.

But....Wii is awesome too. Comparing Wii to 360 is a bit unfair though. 360 is superior in every technical way and has a far better lineup of real gamer's games....the traditional sort of fun we've come to know and love.

Wii is something a bit new, and future releases promise to be interesting. Ultimately I think the Wii still has to proove itself...several Wii games are fun now but I'm seeing increasing criticisms of gimmicky-ness which only adds to my own concerns of how serious the machine really is. If you can only get one, and you're a long-time gamer, I'd go with the 360. If you're new to games or don't play them that much or just want something fun for parties and get-togethers, get the Wii....just don't expect there to be a ton of great games for it. Nintendo's games will be great, but they will be released a lot more sporadically than 360 games, if past history is anything to be considered.

As for comparing the two...I think they can't really be considered in the same league as they are so different. Wii is really the type of thing many folks would get in addition to a PS3 or 360 if they can afford it. Assuming 360 lives up to the promise of becoming truly backwards compatible I'll be buying one sometime after Halo 3 comes out....I'll also be getting a Wii via trade-in of my gamecube. Both are great machines that take a very different approach to gaming.

The PS3....meh. A lot of money and so far there hasn't been a knock-em-dead title for it. Maybe in the future it will be a reasonable investment but certainly not now. The PS2 is a much better purchase than the PS3, currently.

I agree 100% with jcb. One downside to the Wii is the lack of online multiplayer play. XBox Live brings a whole new dimension to gaming.

[P.E.Hustler]

Being a big PS2 fan for a long while, I broke down and bought the 360 just because of the outrageous asking price for the PS3. I have had the 360 for a few months now and love it, xbox live is great. My sons ended up getting a Wii for Christmas and that system definately has some positives also. I really like the approch to using the controllers and the ability to get older games on the Virtual Console is awsome. Plus, the Wii is definately geared towards the family. If I were to choose between just buying one of the systems, I would buy the 360.

[johnny139]

The PS3 is going to be dust in the wind.

The Wii, a 360, and Wii Sports for $50 dollars more? Whoever would buy one system for the price of two should really think things through.

[Bixby]

Xbox 360.........10,412,742 Consoles Sold
Playstation 3....1,349,980 Consoles Sold
Wii..................4,368,420 Consoles Sold

Xbox 360 is a great step to be the multimedia entertainment brain. In the end, whoever gains control over the home networking, multimedia, entertainment market in the home arena will be poised to be the dominant player. Microsoft, with all of their warts and blemishes understands this well and did a great job with the Xbox 360.

In the next year or so, we will se Sony did to an all time low in this market, leaving us with two distinct players. MS & Nintendo. Microsoft has alot of integration advantages over Wii so it will be a hard battle...

...My Two Cents

[dragonfire]

[quote=jcb231]Well, I would take 360 over PS3 anyday of the week.



I agree 100% with jcb. One downside to the Wii is the lack of online multiplayer play. XBox Live brings a whole new dimension to gaming.

April ish 2007. Wii wifi launces. (online) Wii"ll be there. Wiil you?

[jcb231]

Being a big PS2 fan for a long while, I broke down and bought the 360 just because of the outrageous asking price for the PS3. I have had the 360 for a few months now and love it, xbox live is great. My sons ended up getting a Wii for Christmas and that system definately has some positives also. I really like the approch to using the controllers and the ability to get older games on the Virtual Console is awsome. Plus, the Wii is definately geared towards the family. If I were to choose between just buying one of the systems, I would buy the 360.

Virtual Console is cool, but VERY overpriced. Plus it falls into asort of a weird catch-22....old time gamers want those games, yet many already have them from the first time around. I wonder how many truly new kiddies are getting hooked on Super Mario 64 and the like.

[countblah]

You make a good point about the media centre aspect of the 360. I don't think Nintendo is interested in that aspect of that race at all. They're totally breaking new ground with this new machine, and I think it might work out well for them. That's not the market that Microsoft seems to be interested in.


Sony is just screwed. They're not even going to recoup their R&D costs.

[Havokscry]

I went to Target today and a guy and his wife asked for a Wii. The sales associate said that they didn't have any. The guy got a little heated and told the associate that he should knock $100 off a PS3, since they didn't have any Wii. The sales associate said no and I laughed.

[countblah]

I'd like a few thousand knocked off the price of the cadillac I don't want because the honda civic that I do want is out of stock.


Bonehead.

[kanegrundar]

I'm really stoked about the Wii. It's innovative, and, well, FUN! That's not to say that the 360 isn't, but Nintendo is actually expanding the video game player base. This big test for the Wii is to see if they can continue building upon all this immense success.

As for the PS3, don't count it out yet. While Sony seems to be in total implosion mode, the real winner in the next-gen console race won't be determined for a couple more years. However here's some of the major hurdles that the PS3 is going to have to overcome:
1. Loss of major exclusive titles. Sony has dropped the ball big time here. Many of their once exclusive franchises are going over to the XBox or going totally cross platform.

2. Blu-Ray. Hate to say it, but the blu-ray is an albatross around the PS3's neck. Sony screwed themselves over when they wouldn't give liscencing rights to the adult film industry to make Blu-Ray discs of their "films". (Seriously, porn drive entertainment tech. Always has, always will.) They made the same mistake with Betamax. Sony really is a bad penny when it comes to trying to set a format standard. The blu-ray drive is what makes the PS3 so blasted expensive. Plus, while it can hold almost 3 times the data as HD-DVD, it can't read it any quicker, which leads to developers using a lot of space on the disk by making redundant data to ease the reading speed.

3. The Price. They are talking about dropping the price sometime next year. Right now they are losing around $200 on every PS3 sold. Even with many of the core components starting to be made in larger quantities, which should allow them to lessen the loss, if they really do drop the price, they're still looking at losing a TON of money on the PS3 if the games don't sell. Plus, by that point, Microsoft and Nintendo will likely drop their prices as well (though Nintendo may not even have to worry about that).

4. Ease of Programming. It's been widely reported that while the PS3 is easily the most powerful of the 3 next-gen systems, it's the hardest to write for. Sony hasn't put out a good set of developer tools yet. That's going to have a couple obvious effects: 1) Games are going to take longer to develop and 2) likely lead to more games going cross platform or leave the PS3 entirely due to the added cost of development.

5. Sony themselves. Sony has taken some pretty big hits as a corporation these last couple of years. The whole debaucle with their BMG CD's loading some pretty malicious programs, and just blatantly stupid trash talking on their part have left a very sour taste in many consumer's mouths. Combine that with the price and there's no wonder any one that wants a PS3 can easily find one right now. (Which is exactly the opposite of what Sony is saying...they claim they are selling out of PS3's nationwide...bull.)

However, Sony does know how to market a system. They do have a decent stable of exclusive titles. They are making the firmware better for the PS3 all the time. Only time will tell if it will all be too little to late for the PS3. If the PS3 fails, then SOny likely fails a well. They've put so many of their eggs into the PS3 basket. Let's not forget that the PS3 is gorgeous and the games will likely only improve with time...hopefully. (Honestly, so far only Resistance and Marvel Ultimate Alliance are the only titles worth picking up for the PS3...Gears of War beats Resistance and you can play MUA on any system.)

All in all, I would wait if you want to get a PS3. I don't plan on looking at getting one until next year sometime. There's been some talk about SOny putting out a new version with less hardware since all PS1 and PS2 games will be software emulated rather than having old hardware needed now to play older games.

Honestly, if it wasn't for my stable of PS1 and PS2 games, I don't know that I'd even consider a PS3. After all, the 360 has an awesome selection of exclusive titles, and the Wii is just hands down the most fun I've had gaming in a long time. If only Final Fantasy 13 would come out on other systems...

[Drumline3469]

Comparing is unfair, but I'll say right now that PS3 is right out! The Wii and the 360 serve COMPLETELY different purposes. The Wii definately is the most fun I've had playing video games, but the 360 has brought a more realistic feel to gaming. It depends on which type of gaming you do more often. The Wii makes a good party system.

[AmishBurrito]

The Wii if you want some innovative games and gameplay, and some fun in house multiplayer.

360 if you can't be without online play, and if you would rather watch games than actually play them.

[bluekitsune13]

I've been an avid fan of Nintendo for life, so it's no surprise which system I got. However my bro and I went half and half on a 360. It had a few choice titles exclusive to it (mainly Sonic the Hedgehog, but that turned out to be a HUGE disappointment. Not worth the $60 I paid for it). Also since Rare is with Microsoft now, some of their older games may get new titles for the 360 too. My heart dropped when I saw a trailer for Banjo Threeie (the third installment of the Banjo Kazooie games, the first two were on the N64).

If you couldn't tell already, I also am a big fan of action/adventure games. I absolutely HATE shooters, especially first person shooters. That's another reason I don't like the 360 and PS3 a whole lot -- game choice. Personally, I do not care how great your game looks if it plays terrible. The Wii has pretty much all I'll want for video games (minus some of the exclusives on the 360), so that's where my loyalty lies.

[countblah]

360 if you can't be without online play, and if you would rather watch games than actually play them.


Ouch. Burn.

[AmishBurrito]

360 if you can't be without online play, and if you would rather watch games than actually play them.


Ouch. Burn.

Sorry, i'm pretty hardcore on my belief of gameplay over graphics. And i'm too cheap to pay $60 for a movie that i have to hit "x" every few seconds to keep it going.

[Havokscry]

Wii is a good system for non-gamers. That's why the kids and the older generation of people like it. The games are rather simplistic. They are pretty much ramped up versions of Nintendo, Super Nintendo, and Nintendo 64 games. Sure the game controls are innovative, but the games themselves are pretty stale. Outside of Zelda, there really isn't any must have titles for the Wii.

That being said, I do enjoy playing the Wii. I just don't see any reason to buy one. If I wanted Zelda bad enough, I'd buy it for the Gamecube.

[AmishBurrito]

Outside of Zelda, there really isn't any must have titles for the Wii.

That being said, I do enjoy playing the Wii. I just don't see any reason to buy one. If I wanted Zelda bad enough, I'd buy it for the Gamecube.

Yeah, the main problem right now is all that nintendo promised for launch that got delayed. Some sweet games are lined up like Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, etc etc. But right now there really isnt anything that great to play on it yet. :cry:

[Havokscry]

Outside of Zelda, there really isn't any must have titles for the Wii.

That being said, I do enjoy playing the Wii. I just don't see any reason to buy one. If I wanted Zelda bad enough, I'd buy it for the Gamecube.

Yeah, the main problem right now is all that nintendo promised for launch that got delayed. Some sweet games are lined up like Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, etc etc. But right now there really isnt anything that great to play on it yet. :cry:

But that's the problem. Those are all offshoots of games from previous Nintendo systems. The only differences are controls and probably slightly better graphics. The big knock on Zelda was that it was pretty much had the same gameplay as Ocarina and Majora with revamped graphics. I'm sure there isn't going to be anything groundbreaking with Super Smash Brothers. As for Mario, Mario Sunshine built off what made Mario 64 so successful. I'm sure Super Mario Galaxy will probably follow the same formula. There is no new innovation in terms of the games themselves.

[AmishBurrito]

But that's the problem. Those are all offshoots of games from previous Nintendo systems. The only differences are controls and probably slightly better graphics. The big knock on Zelda was that it was pretty much had the same gameplay as Ocarina and Majora with revamped graphics. I'm sure there isn't going to be anything groundbreaking with Super Smash Brothers. As for Mario, Mario Sunshine built off what made Mario 64 so successful. I'm sure Super Mario Galaxy will probably follow the same formula. There is no new innovation in terms of the games themselves.

Twilight princess was definately not the same gameplay as ocarina and majora. It was a sequel, so of course it was similar, but there were many things different about it. One of the coolest things was how you were in wolf form half the time and had to get around like that and use those moves, and then when in Link form, you used the unique controller to swing the sword, point at the screen for arrows and boomerang, etc. A completely different feel was present on Twilight Princess.

With Smash Brothers Brawl, Nintendo promised 16 player online capabilities, and If you've ever played a smash brothers game, you know this is going to be absolutely crazy and awesome at the same time.

Mario Galaxy is attempting to use new mechanics along with a spherical world/substandard gravity in order to create a new experience, but simultaneously harness what made mario 64 so awesome. Mario sunshine, while a good game in itself, did not come close to filling in the gap where Mario 64 left off.

Mario Party is going to be pretty cool. It seems like this new controller system is just what the doctor ordered for the game. Playing with 3 friends next to you is going to be a blast.

Some friends of mine rave all the time about how cool Madden is on the Wii with the new controls. Games like that come out on all systems but just revamped graphics and random other small additions like players sweating throughout the game. But on the Wii, the experience has completely changed, and has gotten people back into the fun of the game, moving back and forth juking and passing.

Also, there are some unique titles like elebits that have recieved a cult following due to its uniqueness. In all, nintendo is just getting the ball rolling, and once the 3rd party developers get some games coming out (which they already have design teams working on), you can expect some great titles. The Wii just screams First Person Shooter with the new control; it's time to throw out that dual joystick awkwardness. Its really cool to aim the controller (with gun attachment coming soon) at an enemy, pulling the trigger, feeling the rumble feedback, and hearing the shells through the built in speaker.

[Screaming Eagle]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

[Havokscry]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

Have you played Gears of War?

[Screaming Eagle]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

Have you played Gears of War?

sob... :( no. so I have no clue. I'mjust going with my gut.

$E

[AmishBurrito]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

Have you played Gears of War?

I've seen it, my roommate has a 360, its a great graphical display. I wish they made a game to go with it though. :twisted:

[Havokscry]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

Have you played Gears of War?

I've seen it, my roommate has a 360, its a great graphical display. I wish they made a game to go with it though. :twisted:

I don't think you'll find many shooters with much of a story, including Metroid Prime. That's the difference between the Wii and the 360 though. They develop games for the 360 just as much for the online experience, as they do for the single player or co-op campaign. I'm sure that most of the people who plan on buying Halo 3 are looking forward to the online play, more so than the story that lies within the campaign.

It's hard to compare Zelda to Gears of War. Totally different type of game. Have you played Oblivion?

[AmishBurrito]

I like the Wii. It's the cheapest, and TP beats Gears of War anyday. Plus, Wii sports is fun itself. Also, it doesn't break down as easily as the others

$E

Have you played Gears of War?

I've seen it, my roommate has a 360, its a great graphical display. I wish they made a game to go with it though. :twisted:

I don't think you'll find many shooters with much of a story, including Metroid Prime. That's the difference between the Wii and the 360 though. They develop games for the 360 just as much for the online experience, as they do for the single player or co-op campaign. I'm sure that most of the people who plan on buying Halo 3 are looking forward to the online play, more so than the story that lies within the campaign.

It's hard to compare Zelda to Gears of War. Totally different type of game. Have you played Oblivion?

I was just kiddin bout gears of war man, its a great game first playing it, but then i got bored of it, havnt tried it online though. I wish Nintendo would figure out the whole online thing, because if they they had something like Xbox Live, they would be dominating the market with their titles. And throw out that friends code stuff!

No I havn't played Oblivion.

[Havokscry]

I'm not bashing the Wii. I have fun playing it. I don't think it's a fair comparison to the 360 though. It offers a totally different kind of gaming experience. The Wii has carved it's niche. It will stick around. The battle will be between the 360 and the PS3. I don't think one of those will be around in the next five years.

[dragonfire]

to be honest the wii will win on its own scale. While Sony and microsoft duke it out, Nintendo will be watching them laughing. I am 14 and have the wii. My friends are 13, 14, 15, and have the wii. The kids i babysit have the wii. My math teacher has the wii. My dad who hates video games plays the wii. My grandpa who asked me what do you "feed" the xbox likes to watch people play the wii. People you would never expect to enjoy videogames are interested in the wii. People, the wii is the future. It is the gateway to the future of videogames. Just like marijana is a gateway drug, the wii is the gateway to the future.


*realizes that he forgot to breath during his rant and passes out, landing face first in gum. The doctors brought him to the hospital where he was treated for mild concussion and a minty fresh forehead*

[AmishBurrito]

I'm not bashing the Wii. I have fun playing it. I don't think it's a fair comparison to the 360 though. It offers a totally different kind of gaming experience. The Wii has carved it's niche. It will stick around. The battle will be between the 360 and the PS3. I don't think one of those will be around in the next five years.

I definately think PS3 is going to have a hard time catching up after their crappy launch. It wouldnt suprise me if they die out and the PS4 never happens. Also, the two systems are playing part in the movie wars. If Blue Ray loses the movie war to HDDVD, then thats another kick in the gut to sony.

[Havokscry]

Just like marijana is a gateway drug, the wii is the gateway to the future.

Where did that come from? :shock:

Like I said, the kids and the older generation like the Wii. :D

[kanegrundar]

Like I said, the kids and the older generation like the Wii. :D

It's pretty dismissive to say that. I see people of all ages, even those in that 15-25 "core" gamer range that play the Wii. It's fun enough that, so far, it looks like everyone is enjoying it. While I think the Wii may end up having the usual Nintendo stigma of being a "kid's" system, the fact that it's already built a very sizable player base will make 3rd party developers take notice. I expect first person shooters to really take off on the Wii, which will bring a lot of "hardcore" gamers to the system.

As far as games go, yeah, there's not a whole lot out for the Wii that isn't derivative, but the same can be said of the PS3, just as same could be said of the 360 in the beginning as well. I will say though that playing Madden on the Wii is the most fun I've had playing Madden in a long time.

[bad_calvin]

I am for Sony all the way. I have already posted my reasoning either in this thread or another like it.

Sony had a later launch then M$ but the un-spectacular launch, but the ps2 was a very up-spectacular launch as well and look where it ended up? I think the new system is absolutely brilliant, there are a ton of games that are coming out for it, some not exclusive, some are. The exclusives are key but microsoft pretty much only had Halo as thier crown, now gears of war. Where does that leave the folks that don't like shooters that much?

Most of the other games coming out are cross platform which leaves me with a very large ps2 library that I can still play on it, and the occasional ps1 game from time to time. I can also duel use it as a pc on the tv which is a bonus for my household, (not for everyone, but for me it is great).

The ps3 is going for a ten year run. I don't have to buy another system until my younger kids are 16 and 18. That freaking rocks.

The ps3 is also pretty sexy, She wants me. oh yeah she wants me bad.

My only regret is the price, but we have been saving and we will get one within the next few months. For all the same type of features on the xbox you would be paying the same amount.. just not all at once.

I am splitting my post because the forum won't take my post?

[bad_calvin]

Here is another good reason to buy a ps3 at least for me:
There is enough games to keep me happy for this year, and as the system gets older, the more developers will learn how to develop for it. It will just get better. Microsoft will have a system between now and then, so you will be shelling out cash for that soon as well. There are more games then this, these are just the ones that I am pretty sure I will be buying.


March 6, 2007 MotorStorm Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
March 13, 2007 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The Bethesda Softworks RPG
May 2007 Saints Row THQ Action Adventure
[b]June 2007 Warhawk Sony Computer Entertainment Flight Action
June 2007 Hellboy Konami Action
June 2007 Ninja Gaiden Sigma Tecmo Action
June 2007 Eye of Judgment: Conquerors of 9 Fields, The Sony Computer Entertainment Card Battle
September 2007 Turok Buena Vista Games Action
September 2007 Unreal Tournament 3 Midway Games Shooter
Q3 2007 Transformers (2007) Activision Action
Q3 2007 Heavenly Sword Sony Computer Entertainment Action
Q3 2007 Monster Madness SouthPeak Interactive Action
October 16, 2007 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games Action Adventure
Q4 2007 Marvel Nemesis 2 Electronic Arts Fighting Action
Q4 2007 Ratchet & Clank PS3 Sony Computer Entertainment Action
Q4 2007 Mercenaries 2: World in Flames Electronic Arts Shooter

TBA 2007 Rampart Sony Online Entertainment Strategy
TBA 2007 Rampage World Tour Sony Online Entertainment Action
TBA 2007 Eyedentify Sony Computer Entertainment Other

TBA 2007 Age of Conan Eidos Interactive Action RPG

TBA 2007 Star Wars: Next-Gen [untitled] LucasArts Action
TBA 2007 Sony Online Whimsical MMO [untitled] Sony Online Entertainment RPG
TBA 2007 Sony Online Mercenary / Spy MMO [untitled] Sony Online Entertainment RPG

I don't really consider the wii a contender. I think it is a good system, but it is not next gen.

[kanegrundar]

I don't really consider the wii a contender. I think it is a good system, but it is not next gen.

You left Final Fantasy XIII off your list! ;) (Seriously, even if I don't end up getting a PS3 until next year, I'm still picking up FF13 just so I have it ready for when I do. :D )

As for your comment about the Wii, I don't know that it not having the tech to really be on par with the PS3 and the 360 is going to make much difference. It's going to come down to the games. If the Wii ends up with a lot of well-recieved titles, I doubt that the average everyday video game player is going to miss the HD graphics. Like I say though, I could be wrong. I just wouldn't count the Wii out of the console race just because it isn't technologically on par with the other systems.

[bad_calvin]

That is a good point, and I am sure it will be successful, it's just not next gen in my definition.

I am not a big final fantasy fan. I use to like it, but I don't have the time to commit to most rpg's. Hell I am still playing Dragon Quest 8! I like games that I can just pick up and play for the most part. I also like the sandbox games where I can just do whatever I feel like. Mercenaries and GTA are good examples. :)

[kanegrundar]

That is a good point, and I am sure it will be successful, it's just not next gen in my definition.

I am not a big final fantasy fan. I use to like it, but I don't have the time to commit to most rpg's. Hell I am still playing Dragon Quest 8! I like games that I can just pick up and play for the most part. I also like the sandbox games where I can just do whatever I feel like. Mercenaries and GTA are good examples. :)

I understand totally. The FF series is pretty much the only Japanese-style rpg I still play. I'm more into the GTA, KOTOR, and Oblivion style more open-ended RPG's. Something with a moldable story, or one in which *I* get to set the pace are a lot better than playing an RPG movie where I have little to no impact on the plot.

[dragonfire]

bad calvin, do you really think sony will skip out on making a ps4 in 5 years. Its all about the money. Plus most games you named are on other systems.

[dragonfire]

bad calvin, do you really think sony will skip out on making a ps4 in 5 years. Its all about the money. Plus most games you named are on other systems.

[kanegrundar]

bad calvin, do you really think sony will skip out on making a ps4 in 5 years. Its all about the money. Plus most games you named are on other systems.

With all that Sony has riding on the PS3, if it fails, the stockholders may not allow another to be made without some serious rethinking into what went wrong with the PS3. The overall stability of Sony is riding very heavily on the success of this new console.

[johnny139]

Back in the day games were supposed to be about fun and innovation, not who can render the most sweat and play the most movies! And, none of the systems are next gen. They're current gen. :P

[dragonfire]

exactly. I don't think ps3 will sell enought to survive anyway. People say the ps3 is in shorter supply and there are more wiis. True. But every store has 5 or 6 ps3s and the wiis sell out in an hour. Also wii games are flying off the shelves.

[kanegrundar]

exactly. I don't think ps3 will sell enought to survive anyway. People say the ps3 is in shorter supply and there are more wiis. True. But every store has 5 or 6 ps3s and the wiis sell out in an hour. Also wii games are flying off the shelves.

That's not what Sony is saying. One of their exec's said that they are totally selling out each of their 100,000 weekly nationwide shipments. While Nintendo hasn't even shipped half that amount. :roll: Yeah. That's it. It couldn't have anything to do with Nintendo making something fun while Sony put out something that may end up being very fun but priced it far out of the range of the average consumer? Nah. That couldn't be it. Sony is pouring on the trash talk to keep their system "hip" in the eyes of gamers.

[Bixby]

Update:

Xbox360...10,437,888 Consoles Sold
PS3............1,368,733 Consoles Sold
Wii.............4,417,860 Consoles Sold

I find the whole "My Dad is bigger than your Dad" dialogue quite amusing. In the end, it boils down to the smile factor. How many hours of enjoyment do you get for your consumer dollar. If you enjoy something and see good value for your dollar... buy it.

I am not such a purist as to think everything I did NOT buy is stupid. I feel that I get awesome value from my Xbox360. My wife and daughter play Poker on it, I play a handful of games that I truly enjoy, and most importantly, I stream 20,000 MP3s to my entertainment system while the TV displays a slide show of 1000's of my pictures. That is great value to ME. I will not ridicule the other gaming systems, I examined my needs and wants, established a purchase budget, and bought the console that fit those two constraints. That said, I can quite easily see why other consoles will appeal to other audiences. Ahh, the sweet variety of life.

All that said, my only prediction for this arena is that the PS3 will continue to have a very tough go of it for the long term. It is on the ropes right now, sandwiched between two extremely popular and well made competitor boxes: (Xbox360 & Wii). What does that mean? Nothing if you like what the PS3 has to offer today and in the near term. If it is the console for you.... Buy it. I think the implications are significant for the long term viability for the platform and long-term future game choices.

Let's just say I would not run out and buy Sony shares right now. :)

[countblah]

Or, y'know, a sony system.

Does anyone remember the virtual boy? If you were one of the three people in the united states to have bought that system, how many games did they ever release for it? Five?

Long story short, if the PS3 isn't well supported, it's going to be a lemon. Processing power or not.

[johnny139]

Virtual Boy was great, my cousin still has one.

Too bad he can't see in any color but red... :cry:

:joke:

[yagyuninja]

In the end, it boils down to the smile factor. How many hours of enjoyment do you get for your consumer dollar.

Yup. That pretty much explains why I'll get a 360. The time I will spend playing Halo 3 alone will far outstrip the time I would spend on any other games for any other system. AND I'd be able to take advantage of its media center extender functionality, AND I could play fun games like worms on live with friends that are far away, AND I have access to the growing number of PC games being ported to 360. But all those ANDs are just gravy. Its sheer halo 3 playtime that wins it for me.

But that's just me. My brother is bored to tears by Halo. He got a Wii.

[johnny139]

In the end, it boils down to the smile factor. How many hours of enjoyment do you get for your consumer dollar.

Yup. That pretty much explains why I'll get a 360. The time I will spend playing Halo 3 alone will far outstrip the time I would spend on any other games for any other system. AND I'd be able to take advantage of its media center extender functionality, AND I could play fun games like worms on live with friends that are far away, AND I have access to the growing number of PC games being ported to 360. But all those ANDs are just gravy. Its sheer halo 3 playtime that wins it for me.

But that's just me. My brother is bored to tears by Halo. He got a Wii.

Hey, if he gets Red Steel, give it a whirl. My neighbor is a Halo junkie and we play Red Steel whenever he comes over.

[bad_calvin]

Or, y'know, a sony system.

Does anyone remember the virtual boy? If you were one of the three people in the united states to have bought that system, how many games did they ever release for it? Five?

Long story short, if the PS3 isn't well supported, it's going to be a lemon. Processing power or not.

I don't see any signs of it it not being supported? There are a couple of developers that are not, but there are a couple of them that don't support xbox either. lol

There are a few hundred or so games coming out this year, I have posted a list of games that are already on my want list this year. 23 games, that I probably won't be able to get all of them. So there is plenty of support and first party games.

It is the price the convinces people more then anything.

If the ps3 was $250, then people would be all over it, and claiming it to be the best thing in the world.

It is expensive, it has things that some people just don't care if they have, so it is not as desirable. It has nothing to do with game support. If you want to talk games then that is all personal preference.

What system has the exclusives that you want? For me ps3 does. For you it might be the Wii, or the xbox.

Comparing the ps3 to the virtua boy or whatever is not a convincing argument. lol That thing was total bunk and no where near the same thing.

[Oogie_Da_Bruce]

Right now, I am totally in love with my 360. Tons of the best games out!!!

Maybe this coming Christmas I'll get a Wii, once some more games come out.

As for the PS3... It's gonna have a tough time convincing me that it's worth the cost. Not saying impossible, but tough.

[loborocket]

I voted some time ago but never posted. I voted for the XBOX 360. I think the price setting for the PS3 is going to spell it's demise. At $600 it is pretty hard to get this console into the hands of all but the hardcore gamers. Many kids will be hard pressed to get their parents to drop $600 on the thing. Most kids (even teenagers) will have a hard time saving up the $600 to buy it themselves. Of the adults who can afford most (including myself) don't really play video games often enough to justify putting $600 into it. So that leaves the PS3 with a very small market share. With such a small market share developers wil not invest in developing games for the system. They can't afford to spend resources on a platform that is not in as many homes as the other systems. It is too big of a risk to develop a game for such a small group of users. You might see direct ports of games from other systems to the PS3 but not many exclusive titles, as they have enjoyed in the past. So if the game is a direct port from another system, why not just buy the cheaper system? I think over time the PS3 will get into homes but very slowly. The PS3 will not enjoy the success it's predacessor did. Nice work SONY!

[Darkdrium]

You should definetly get a wii. I have 1 and its awsome!!!



If u got a PS3 i would do this: :puke:

[Bixby]

Of greed, console games, and bad beats...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070205.gtgamer05/BNStory/Technology/home

[bad_calvin]

He was probably one of the guys that posted it for $2000 each on ebay days before Christmas. I don't pity him. You take a chance when you are trying to sell something for 2-3 times it's worth to retarded rich people.

[kanegrundar]

Of greed, console games, and bad beats...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070205.gtgamer05/BNStory/Technology/home

Stories like that put a huge smile on my face. Speculators **** me off.

[Sweetcurse]

Main Entry: ex·pen·sive
Pronunciation: ik-'spen(t)-siv
Function: adjective
1 : involving high cost or sacrifice <an expensive hobby>
2 a : commanding a high price and especially one that is not based on intrinsic worth or is beyond a prospective buyer's means b : characterized by high prices <expensive shops>


Main Entry: cost·ly
Pronunciation: 'kos(t)-lE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): cost·li·er; -est
1 a : commanding a high price especially because of intrinsic worth <costly gems> b : RICH, SPLENDID
2 : made or done at heavy expense or sacrifice <a costly mistake>
- cost·li·ness noun

The PS3 is NOT expensive, it is however, costly. It costs a lot because it's worth a lot. You want a system that is worth less, get a 360 or a Wii. Want one that is worth more, but costs more? PS3

The price is beyond most people. But Sony packed that monster with everything you could want. The same set up in a 360 would cost upwards of 700! And you're stuck with HD-DVD.

[kanegrundar]

Blu-Ray will only be a boon if Sony wins the format war. If prior history is any guide (and it usually is), Sony isn't going to win the war aginst HD-DVD. Should Sony lose out and HD-DVD becomes the standard then some of the value to the PS3 will be immediately wiped out.

Overall though, the PS3 packs a punch. We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

[Sweetcurse]

Blu-Ray will only be a boon if Sony wins the format war. If prior history is any guide (and it usually is), Sony isn't going to win the war aginst HD-DVD. Should Sony lose out and HD-DVD becomes the standard then some of the value to the PS3 will be immediately wiped out.

Overall though, the PS3 packs a punch. We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

Contrary to speculation, Blu-Ray is doing very well, and will continue to do so.

[kanegrundar]

Contrary to speculation, Blu-Ray is doing very well, and will continue to do so.

We'll see. Sony doesn't have a good track run on getting any of their formats to become standard, no matter how much better they are percieved to be over the competition. Much like the console wars, the disc format wars aren't likely going to be decided anytime soon.

However, much like the PS3, in order for Blu-Ray to really get that much needed market penetration, the players are going to have to become more competitive in price to HD-DVD players. It's getting there, but not yet.

I don't really have a horse in this race, though, as I'll likely end up owning both a PS3 and a 360 sometime down the road, so either way the dust settles in that war I'll be ready. I just caution listening to what Sony says about how any of their products are doing. Remember they're saying that every shipment to the US of PS3's are selling out...that's just not the case.

[Bixby]

Sweetcurse:

Worth is a highly subjective term. Much like "Beauty is in the eye of beholder", "Worth is in the pocket book of the spender". When the features or benefits of a product are not of value to someone, the item moves from the costly category back into the expensive category.[/b]

[Sweetcurse]

Sweetcurse:

Worth is a highly subjective term. Much like "Beauty is in the eye of beholder", "Worth is in the pocket book of the spender". When the features or benefits of a product are not of value to someone, the item moves from the costly category back into the expensive category.[/b]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

[kanegrundar]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

:lol:

[Bixby]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Good is a subjective term. :lol:

Not trying to argue rhetoric here, but defending subjective terms with other subjective terms is, well, subjective. Your assertion that these ARE good things is a testiment to your subjective view. I respect that. That fact that I hardly use any of the 20GB in my XBOX360 indicates to me that the PS3 can have 60GB, or 60TB and it would not make a difference to me. It is a feature that technically might be GOOD, but functionally is far in excess of what I need. A Ferrari is good when I am gazing in a car magazine and admiring the aesthetic of the car, but functionally is quite in excess of my needs. Hence the the COSTLY Ferrari gets relegated to being an EXPENSIVE car. :D

[CupidsArt]

Don't we have like 5-6 threads about this already or is it just me?



@~

[dragonfire]

thats the thing blue ray isn't doing good. HDDVDs arent doing so hot either. HDDVDs have been out a year and needed more time to grow. Now blue ray comes and consumers are confused. Blue ray looks better but the dicks cost 35$ and the players cost 1000. People are still getting plain old DVDs and most don't care about anything newer.

[Sweetcurse]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Good is a subjective term. :lol:

Not trying to argue rhetoric here, but defending subjective terms with other subjective terms is, well, subjective. Your assertion that these ARE good things is a testiment to your subjective view. I respect that. That fact that I hardly use any of the 20GB in my XBOX360 indicates to me that the PS3 can have 60GB, or 60TB and it would not make a difference to me. It is a feature that technically might be GOOD, but functionally is far in excess of what I need. A Ferrari is good when I am gazing in a car magazine and admiring the aesthetic of the car, but functionally is quite in excess of my needs. Hence the the COSTLY Ferrari gets relegated to being an EXPENSIVE car. :D

Ha, ha, true. "Good" is also subjective, no argument there. But it's simply inaccurate to call the PS3 "expensive." We can argue all day, but in the end, the PS 3 costs more because it has more things to offer. The PS3 is a more powerful machine and time will prove that. In some ways, the PS 3 and the 360 are like the DS and the PSP. The DS is cheap, functional and has good games. The PSP is infinitely more powerful and has tons of uses. If you don't value the PSP's superior hardware, then you will buy the one that fits you best for sure. Nevertheless, the fact that the PSP is more powerful doesn't change, it just doesn't suit you that is all, it's costly to you. With the PS 3 and its additional hardware, I'm sure games will evolve very quickly to where you will realize just how useful it is to have them. Wi-fi integrated is "good" because it saves cables and mess and adds to the unit's mobility. 60 GB will become increasingly necessary with alll the downloadable content and bigger games being made. Blu-Ray, like the PS3 in general, I support because I feel Microsoft held back a lot and Sony is putting out the most powerful machine they can at the moment, and I respect that. I feel HD-DVD is a format companies support because it's "barely enough." It gives the people just enough HD without really going all the way. Blu-Ray is not as limited and I really hope it's successful. As far as the price goes, early adopters should be willing to pay the price if they really want the good stuff. The late game is more for the masses. Also, just because you can't afford a Ferrari doesn't diminish the car's worth. You do place worth in its features, you just can't afford them. You do like better tires, handling, speed, , etc, etc. If offered to you free you would take them, which means you DO value them. Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.
I mean, if the PS 3 bells and whistlkes were things like "Smelly stickers," "neon colored controllers," or actual "bells and whistles," I could understand the hate.

Also, the topic is just fun. Arguing about new game systems is every geeky gamer's right!

[Uprising]

Don't we have like 5-6 threads about this already or is it just me?



@~ Yup. It's like a beast that just won't stay down.

[bad_calvin]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Good is a subjective term. :lol:

Not trying to argue rhetoric here, but defending subjective terms with other subjective terms is, well, subjective. Your assertion that these ARE good things is a testiment to your subjective view. I respect that. That fact that I hardly use any of the 20GB in my XBOX360 indicates to me that the PS3 can have 60GB, or 60TB and it would not make a difference to me. It is a feature that technically might be GOOD, but functionally is far in excess of what I need. A Ferrari is good when I am gazing in a car magazine and admiring the aesthetic of the car, but functionally is quite in excess of my needs. Hence the the COSTLY Ferrari gets relegated to being an EXPENSIVE car. :D

Ha, ha, true. "Good" is also subjective, no argument there. But it's simply inaccurate to call the PS3 "expensive." We can argue all day, but in the end, the PS 3 costs more because it has more things to offer. The PS3 is a more powerful machine and time will prove that. In some ways, the PS 3 and the 360 are like the DS and the PSP. The DS is cheap, functional and has good games. The PSP is infinitely more powerful and has tons of uses. If you don't value the PSP's superior hardware, then you will buy the one that fits you best for sure. Nevertheless, the fact that the PSP is more powerful doesn't change, it just doesn't suit you that is all, it's costly to you. With the PS 3 and its additional hardware, I'm sure games will evolve very quickly to where you will realize just how useful it is to have them. Wi-fi integrated is "good" because it saves cables and mess and adds to the unit's mobility. 60 GB will become increasingly necessary with alll the downloadable content and bigger games being made. Blu-Ray, like the PS3 in general, I support because I feel Microsoft held back a lot and Sony is putting out the most powerful machine they can at the moment, and I respect that. I feel HD-DVD is a format companies support because it's "barely enough." It gives the people just enough HD without really going all the way. Blu-Ray is not as limited and I really hope it's successful. As far as the price goes, early adopters should be willing to pay the price if they really want the good stuff. The late game is more for the masses. Also, just because you can't afford a Ferrari doesn't diminish the car's worth. You do place worth in its features, you just can't afford them. You do like better tires, handling, speed, , etc, etc. If offered to you free you would take them, which means you DO value them. Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.

soon.. very soon I will have a ferrari under my tv. I can't wait to pick this sexy chrome plated girl up.

Yeah.. she wants me. :)

[Sweetcurse]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Good is a subjective term. :lol:

Not trying to argue rhetoric here, but defending subjective terms with other subjective terms is, well, subjective. Your assertion that these ARE good things is a testiment to your subjective view. I respect that. That fact that I hardly use any of the 20GB in my XBOX360 indicates to me that the PS3 can have 60GB, or 60TB and it would not make a difference to me. It is a feature that technically might be GOOD, but functionally is far in excess of what I need. A Ferrari is good when I am gazing in a car magazine and admiring the aesthetic of the car, but functionally is quite in excess of my needs. Hence the the COSTLY Ferrari gets relegated to being an EXPENSIVE car. :D

Ha, ha, true. "Good" is also subjective, no argument there. But it's simply inaccurate to call the PS3 "expensive." We can argue all day, but in the end, the PS 3 costs more because it has more things to offer. The PS3 is a more powerful machine and time will prove that. In some ways, the PS 3 and the 360 are like the DS and the PSP. The DS is cheap, functional and has good games. The PSP is infinitely more powerful and has tons of uses. If you don't value the PSP's superior hardware, then you will buy the one that fits you best for sure. Nevertheless, the fact that the PSP is more powerful doesn't change, it just doesn't suit you that is all, it's costly to you. With the PS 3 and its additional hardware, I'm sure games will evolve very quickly to where you will realize just how useful it is to have them. Wi-fi integrated is "good" because it saves cables and mess and adds to the unit's mobility. 60 GB will become increasingly necessary with alll the downloadable content and bigger games being made. Blu-Ray, like the PS3 in general, I support because I feel Microsoft held back a lot and Sony is putting out the most powerful machine they can at the moment, and I respect that. I feel HD-DVD is a format companies support because it's "barely enough." It gives the people just enough HD without really going all the way. Blu-Ray is not as limited and I really hope it's successful. As far as the price goes, early adopters should be willing to pay the price if they really want the good stuff. The late game is more for the masses. Also, just because you can't afford a Ferrari doesn't diminish the car's worth. You do place worth in its features, you just can't afford them. You do like better tires, handling, speed, , etc, etc. If offered to you free you would take them, which means you DO value them. Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.

soon.. very soon I will have a ferrari under my tv. I can't wait to pick this sexy chrome plated girl up.

Yeah.. she wants me. :)

Amen, give me a Ferrari!

[Bixby]

Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.

Also, the topic is just fun. Arguing about new game systems is every geeky gamer's right!

The discussion is humorous on many fronts. Just to let you know Sweetcurse, the discussion is light at my end as well. I generally don't get too cranked up on discussion forums.. life's too short. :)

That said...

About my limited vision... I happen to have over two TB in my home. I store a lot of multimedia files. My "future vision" is perhaps a bit broader than you suspect. My storage is MUCH cheaper per GB than on the PS3 and my disk storage is usable on any of my PCs that are fully networked and the files are accesible on the XBOX360 as well which happens to be on the same LAN. I see your "vision" and raise you a decade. :D

Incidently, my Xbox came wifi enabled and and I currently have two wireless controllers and a wireless steering wheel.

Blu Ray - Jimmi Ray - Don't care ray. :) I will let the format wars settle down before I back another OS2 or Beta tape. :D

[countblah]

Or another UMD.


That format super-sank.

[bad_calvin]

Hey what do you have against the beta tapes? heh

I think the tone for the most part is fine here. Deep down everyone knows that you are going to get what you really want anyways. All the systems offer some great advantages. Everyone has their views *shrug*. My buddy has a 360, I am getting the ps3 so we are pretty much covered for gameing the way I see it. It works out pretty good. The one thing that worries me about his purchase is that he has already had to replace his 360 after just 2 months, he was telling me that some of his buds at work have had to replace theirs as well. It was reminding me of the launch ps2's. I have not seen the same stories with the ps3, so I am pretty happy about that.
(insert good advice)
Anyways, like most of this thread. I am just rambling on and on. I don't need convincing on what I want. For any of the systems I think the best advice is to go and research the features and games of every system, and pick the one that is right for you. All of them require putting some cash down that you should wiegh how you want spent. If you have to make a list of the goods and bads and don't cares for yourself. This may help you.
(end good advice)

now to kill my good advice.....


ps3 rulz

[CupidsArt]

Hey what do you have against the beta tapes

YEAH! One of my favorite movies of all time, was on Beta! (The Last Dragon 1985)

Who's the Master?

Sho'Nuff!

[Sweetcurse]

Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.

Also, the topic is just fun. Arguing about new game systems is every geeky gamer's right!

The discussion is humorous on many fronts. Just to let you know Sweetcurse, the discussion is light at my end as well. I generally don't get too cranked up on discussion forums.. life's too short. :)

That said...

About my limited vision... I happen to have over two TB in my home. I store a lot of multimedia files. My "future vision" is perhaps a bit broader than you suspect. My storage is MUCH cheaper per GB than on the PS3 and my disk storage is usable on any of my PCs that are fully networked and the files are accesible on the XBOX360 as well which happens to be on the same LAN. I see your "vision" and raise you a decade. :D

Incidently, my Xbox came wifi enabled and and I currently have two wireless controllers and a wireless steering wheel.

Blu Ray - Jimmi Ray - Don't care ray. :) I will let the format wars settle down before I back another OS2 or Beta tape. :D

One on hand, I'm glad to hear you're not narrow minded. Second, I kind of feel like "gotcha!" a little. The hard drive is useful and will be more so in the future. The fact that your set up is light years away from most Joes and Janes, doesn't detract one bit from the PS. If anyhitng, reinforces my theory about how "great" (another one) the PS "bells and whistles" are, again, specially for Joes and Janes.

In the end, my stance is clear, the PS 3 is costly, but worth what you pay...if you can afford it.
Also, if anyone is taking any of this too seriously maybe we should hook you up with reapersaurus! :shock: 8)

[kanegrundar]

Also, if anyone is taking any of this too seriously maybe we should hook you up with reapersaurus! :shock: 8)

:shock:



:lol:

That's hilarious! I may not have the same overall rosy outlook on the PS3's future, but you're alright in my book!

[Bixby]

Also, if anyone is taking any of this too seriously maybe we should hook you up with reapersaurus! :shock: 8)

Quite chuckleworthy :lol:

[jcb231]

Sweetcurse:

Worth is a highly subjective term. Much like "Beauty is in the eye of beholder", "Worth is in the pocket book of the spender". When the features or benefits of a product are not of value to someone, the item moves from the costly category back into the expensive category.[/b]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Blu Ray is worthless. Hi Def DVD is worthless. Both are in a state of limbo until one or the other become a reasonable standard. Once one becomes a standard, it will be worth quite a bit, and the other will remain worthless.

I predict Blu-Ray will lose, big time, OR I predict that future players will play both formats, and so miraculously neither format will lose but both will tie awkwardly, and blu-ray will remain overpriced.

[jcb231]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Good is a subjective term. :lol:

Not trying to argue rhetoric here, but defending subjective terms with other subjective terms is, well, subjective. Your assertion that these ARE good things is a testiment to your subjective view. I respect that. That fact that I hardly use any of the 20GB in my XBOX360 indicates to me that the PS3 can have 60GB, or 60TB and it would not make a difference to me. It is a feature that technically might be GOOD, but functionally is far in excess of what I need. A Ferrari is good when I am gazing in a car magazine and admiring the aesthetic of the car, but functionally is quite in excess of my needs. Hence the the COSTLY Ferrari gets relegated to being an EXPENSIVE car. :D

Ha, ha, true. "Good" is also subjective, no argument there. But it's simply inaccurate to call the PS3 "expensive." We can argue all day, but in the end, the PS 3 costs more because it has more things to offer. The PS3 is a more powerful machine and time will prove that. In some ways, the PS 3 and the 360 are like the DS and the PSP. The DS is cheap, functional and has good games. The PSP is infinitely more powerful and has tons of uses. If you don't value the PSP's superior hardware, then you will buy the one that fits you best for sure. Nevertheless, the fact that the PSP is more powerful doesn't change, it just doesn't suit you that is all, it's costly to you. With the PS 3 and its additional hardware, I'm sure games will evolve very quickly to where you will realize just how useful it is to have them. Wi-fi integrated is "good" because it saves cables and mess and adds to the unit's mobility. 60 GB will become increasingly necessary with alll the downloadable content and bigger games being made. Blu-Ray, like the PS3 in general, I support because I feel Microsoft held back a lot and Sony is putting out the most powerful machine they can at the moment, and I respect that. I feel HD-DVD is a format companies support because it's "barely enough." It gives the people just enough HD without really going all the way. Blu-Ray is not as limited and I really hope it's successful. As far as the price goes, early adopters should be willing to pay the price if they really want the good stuff. The late game is more for the masses. Also, just because you can't afford a Ferrari doesn't diminish the car's worth. You do place worth in its features, you just can't afford them. You do like better tires, handling, speed, , etc, etc. If offered to you free you would take them, which means you DO value them. Just because you have a limited vision of the future doesn't mean 60 GB isn't "good" to have, it is, and will be increasingly so. You would like Wi-fi and I'm sure you would like Blu-Ray.
I mean, if the PS 3 bells and whistlkes were things like "Smelly stickers," "neon colored controllers," or actual "bells and whistles," I could understand the hate.

Also, the topic is just fun. Arguing about new game systems is every geeky gamer's right!

I think the main difference between the DS and the PSP is the PSP really lacks in quality games. Of course that's a matter of perception, but it seems to be a perception shared by the majority.

[AmishBurrito]

I have legs

[bad_calvin]

I actually really love my psp. I take it to work and listen to my music, and can watch Cartoons. i am watching animaniacs right now. "slappy squirl" :)
i don't play many games on it though. lemmings, Field commander GTA, and ATV that is about it. :)

[kanegrundar]

I think the main difference between the DS and the PSP is the PSP really lacks in quality games. Of course that's a matter of perception, but it seems to be a perception shared by the majority.
When I was looking at getting a PSP the almost total lack of anything fun to play really outweighed all of the extra utility. I wasn't looking for a handheld gaming device that was more effective as an MP3 or movie player, I was looking for a handheld gaming device to play good games on. Sony put a lot more focus on all the other bells and whistles than focusing on making something fun to play. I fear that's the exact same path they're taking with PS3 as well. "Hey, look at the Blu-Ray drive and WiFi and our online services, and by the way I guess you could play games on it as well."

[Sweetcurse]

Sweetcurse:

Worth is a highly subjective term. Much like "Beauty is in the eye of beholder", "Worth is in the pocket book of the spender". When the features or benefits of a product are not of value to someone, the item moves from the costly category back into the expensive category.[/b]

I would question the assertion that Wi-Fi, 60 Gb drive, and Blu-Ray have no worth. I guess they don't if you don't appreciate good things. Just because a person can't tell the difference between a 100 year old italian wine and the WalMart brand, or doesn't value the difference in quality, doesn't mean the item it's worth less.

True, worth is defnied individually, but good things are good things, and the above mentioned items ARE good things. The fact that you don''t value them doesn't matter.

Blu Ray is worthless. Hi Def DVD is worthless. Both are in a state of limbo until one or the other become a reasonable standard. Once one becomes a standard, it will be worth quite a bit, and the other will remain worthless.

I predict Blu-Ray will lose, big time, OR I predict that future players will play both formats, and so miraculously neither format will lose but both will tie awkwardly, and blu-ray will remain overpriced.

I have to say I agree with this somewhat. Well, more like I felt we didn't really need a new format yet, or new systems. I felt strongly thgat the PS2 and Xbox, as well as regular DVDs still had at least a good couple years left in them. Thankfully the systems are costly, so it should take a while for them to dominate.

From what I've read, HD-DVD dodn't take good advantage of their lead and seems like BR is picking up steam. Again, I'm on the BR camp just because it's capacity is greater.

[Sweetcurse]

I have legs

Tiny legs under the burrito? I'm willing to believe that if the burrito came form Taco Bell.

[Sweetcurse]

Kane and Bixby, I'm glad to be talking to mature, calm people. I tell ya, iIve been in forums where people are pretty aggressive. I dunno, like they think whatever you say here is changing the world or something. :roll:

[Bixby]

Sweetcurse:
Nothing wrong with a little healthy, respectful debate.

I agree with you that things can deteriorate on forums quite quickly and ad hominem arguments are substituted for good logic. If I did not feel comfortable with the people in this discussion I would have avoided it. It strikes me as rather silly how some people get the veins in the side of their head bulging, talking about relatively innocuous subjects with people they do not really know or have likely not even met. :)

Life's too short to get put on ulcer medication. ;)

Cheers,
Bix

[kanegrundar]

Kane and Bixby, I'm glad to be talking to mature, calm people. I tell ya, iIve been in forums where people are pretty aggressive. I dunno, like they think whatever you say here is changing the world or something. :roll:

The feeling is mutual. I've dropped out of many of these types of converstaions on other boards due to people getting riled up about it. It's nice to have a debate like this go on without tempers flaring.

[Sweetcurse]

Sweetcurse:
Nothing wrong with a little healthy, respectful debate.

I agree with you that things can deteriorate on forums quite quickly and ad hominem arguments are substituted for good logic. If I did not feel comfortable with the people in this discussion I would have avoided it. It strikes me as rather silly how some people get the veins in the side of their head bulging, talking about relatively innocuous subjects with people they do not really know or have likely not even met. :)

Life's too short to get put on ulcer medication. ;)

Cheers,
Bix

Amen to that and let the PS3 vs 360 hostilities resume, enough niceties!!!!
Ha, ha, ha! :lol:

[bad_calvin]

Sweetcurse:
Nothing wrong with a little healthy, respectful debate.

I agree with you that things can deteriorate on forums quite quickly and ad hominem arguments are substituted for good logic. If I did not feel comfortable with the people in this discussion I would have avoided it. It strikes me as rather silly how some people get the veins in the side of their head bulging, talking about relatively innocuous subjects with people they do not really know or have likely not even met. :)

Life's too short to get put on ulcer medication. ;)

Cheers,
Bix

Amen to that and let the PS3 vs 360 hostilities resume, enough niceties!!!!
Ha, ha, ha! :lol:

I just want to know what the original poster ended up getting. :)
anyone know?

[Sweetcurse]

To be completely honest, I would own both systems if I could, stupid exclusives!

I currently own a SNES, NES, Genesis, PS one, PS two, Dreamcast, N64, Gamecube, DS, Neo Geo Pocket, and who knows what else in my closet. I'm a systems *****. But if I chould only get one, prolly a PS 3.

I have to say, probably the reason I want a PS 3 is because of the Dreamcast. Now, THAT is the best machine I've owned so far. It makes me so angry that it died and was beaten by the inferior PS 2. Maybe that is why this time around I like the PS 3, I like the powerful machines. The only reason I don't own an xbox is because, one, I already gove MS too much money, and two, by the time the Xb came out I already had too much invested on the PS 2.

IIIII'mmm dreeeemmminnnnggg ooffff aaaaaaaaaaa Whiiiiiiiiiiiite, Dreamcast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[bad_calvin]

This is about half of our collection. I never did finish updating it. I would like to at some point. It takes forever to get them all in there though.

But for the most part you can see the types of games I like.

http://club.ign.com/b/list/custom?&owner=Bad.Calvin&mode=view&&lid=100018

[Bixby]

Wow.

You guys are hard core console gamers. I am out of my league here. I am not a big computer / console gamer. In fact, when it was mentioned that HeroScape should be a console game, it elicited from me a big...... yawn. :)

I MUCH prefer face to face gaming. The social interaction, the friendly trash talking, the gathering of friends over a pint of premiere beer or a pot of Chai Tea. That to me is at the core of a gaming experience. Not that I do not enjoy electronic games, it is just that they are only about 5% of my gaming experience and weekly game time. I am fortunate enough to get lots of quality gaming in. I host a weekly Poker game (49 people on my email invite list) where we typically have 16 players on two tables. I organize a weekly game of road hockey and we get a decent turnout for that (Family fun). I host a weekly game of HeroScape (13 people on the email distribution list) and we average about 3-4 players weekly. Outside of those events, I play racqetball weekly and play various other boardgames with another group of friends. Perhaps, because I am an Extrovert, I need the social interaction.

That said, there are times when I am perhaps in a more reclusive mood, then I typically will pull out Oblivion, Project Gotham Racing, Call of Duty 2, or Kameo. Those are the only real games I play on the Xbox. It is mostly used to play media during various gatherings. 40 hour playlists are awesome. :) No changing CD's and lots of variety to the music.

-Matt

PS. I use to LOVE playing Counterstrike on the PC. I think it was all my years of paintball playing that drew me to play Counterstrike. I had a blast with that game.

[bad_calvin]

I enjoy console gaming immensly. I am not so big on computer games. I would say that as a gaming whole. I probably play 60% video games, and 40% miniature or rpg games. I play slightly more video games when there is no one but me to play with. :) Usually at night after a crappy day at work. :)

[deadeyedan42]

GO FOR THE WII MAN!

who dosn't want to have a motion senitive controller that isn't connected to the console!? and yes, there have been acidents but that is only the players fault. you can only swing the controller so hard you know. :)

[Sweetcurse]

GO FOR THE WII MAN!



:rofl:

[jcb231]

I currently own a SNES, NES, Genesis, PS one, PS two, Dreamcast, N64, Gamecube, DS, Neo Geo Pocket, and who knows what else in my closet. I'm a systems *****. But if I chould only get one, prolly a PS 3.



I second the systems ***** situation.

I've got a NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube (with Gameboy Player), Gameboy Advance SP, and XBOX. All of them are in place by a TV of some sort, cables all run to the proper places. I don't leave them plugged in all the time but they are otherwise ready to go. None of my systems get closeted.

It really bugs me that a lot of folks abandon earlier games as newer shinier ones come out. It seems to be a situation unique to video gaming. When new movies come out nobody stops watching The Godfather or Gone with the Wind or Star Wars. Why just because Halo 2 is out must we all stop playing Super Mario Bros? It bugs the heck out of me. On my game shelves, I make no distinction between systems....everything's just alphabetical....good games are good games, regardless of when they came out or for what system. I just wish console manufacturers would get that through their skulls and never again make something that's not 100% BC. Stupid 360....grrr. I want one, but I don't want one until I can play ALL my XBOX games on it, and even then I won't be able to use custom soundtracks and other cool features of my first gen 'box games.

And why, in the name of all that is holy, did the DS abandon the GB legacy by ditching compatibility with first gen GB games and GB color games? GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! There's a whole generation out there that will never get to play Metroid II or the great Mario and Zelda games that came out for GB.

end rant

[AmishBurrito]

AIAS 2007 Awards:
(annual interactive achievement awards)

# Outstanding Innovation in Gaming -- Wii Sports
# Outstanding Innovation in Animation -- Gears of War
# Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction -- Gears of War
# Outstanding Achievement in Story and Character Development -- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
# Outstanding Achievement in Gameplay Engineering -- Wii Sports
# Outstanding Achievement in Online Play -- Gears of War
# Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering -- Gears of War
# Outstanding Achievement in Game Design -- Wii Sports


So, if you want Gaming, Character Development, Gameplay, and Game Design, go for the Wii

If you want Animation, Art Direction, Online Play, and Visual Engineering, go for 360

If you want a blue-ray player, get a PS3 :D

[feekonea]

You know what sucks? Ive got more than 30 games one my ps2, im a kid, who cant legally have a job yet, and I dont want a blue ray player thing. But I want to be able to play my ps2 games on the console, so I think im gunna stick with getting the ps3, even though theres no way I want the blue ray.

[AmishBurrito]

Why dont you just keep your PS2, and get whatever system you want?

Backwards capatibility is viewed too highly imo.

[countblah]

Why dont you just keep your PS2, and get whatever system you want?

Backwards capatibility is viewed too highly imo.

Your burrito is viewed too highly, imo.

[AmishBurrito]

Why dont you just keep your PS2, and get whatever system you want?

Backwards capatibility is viewed too highly imo.

Your burrito is viewed too highly, imo.

what does that even mean? :? :frustrated:

[jcb231]

Why dont you just keep your PS2, and get whatever system you want?

Backwards capatibility is viewed too highly imo.

If he's a kid his parents might be making him trade-in one console for the other, in which case a PS3 is the only new console that would let him play his old games. Still not worth it though. Even with the trade-in you'll end up spending more. Keep your PS2 and talk you parents into letting you get the 360 or the Wii. It'll be cheaper all around.

[dragonfire]

Keep the PS2. Ask your parents for the wii. Its so cheap you can convince your parents easier then having them go bancrupt from the 600 dollar pricetag and electicity stealing powers.

[bad_calvin]

You know what sucks? Ive got more than 30 games one my ps2, im a kid, who cant legally have a job yet, and I dont want a blue ray player thing. But I want to be able to play my ps2 games on the console, so I think im gunna stick with getting the ps3, even though theres no way I want the blue ray.

I think that you should just take advantage of all the outstanding ps2 games that are out there that you can get for cheap now. Collect them and play them and keep your eye on the ps3. Mow some lawns rake some leaves, and see if you can get your parents/ grand parents whatever help you earn a ps3. Even if it takes you a year. Then you won't have to buy another system until you are in your 20's. 10 year life span.

The ps3 will give you a movie player, a linux machine, and a game machine. Tell me that is not a space saver when you go to college?

[Havokscry]

There are still good games that are coming out or that have been recently released for the PS2. God of War II, Final Fantasy XII, Guitar Hero II, etc.

I'd keep with the PS2, until the library for the PS3 gets some depth. By then, you may get a free game when you purchase a PS3.

[Chameleon]

I saw a PS3 console for sale for the first time in the stores at my local Walmart. In fact, they had 2 PS3's in stock. I looked at the PS3 game selection, and it is still rather weak. I passed on getting the PS3, at least for now. I have an Xbox 360 and Wii already.

[kanegrundar]

There's no denying that the PS3 lineup is still shaky. However, Virtua Fighter 5 and Tekken 5 are both out (which I still need to buy), and the lineup is going to keep filling out. Plus, it doesn't look like Sony is likely to lose too many more exclusive titles, which will make the system look even more attractive when the PS3 is the only place to play Devil May Cry 4 and Final Fantasy XII (among others). That said, Sony needs to make sure that they can keep these high profile titles exclusive, or the price will drive away consumers for cheaper options. I think that the initial flurry of developers jumping ship is over though.

[dragonfire]

If you want great graphics but mediocre and unoriginal games go 360. If you want decent graphics but amazing games and fresh fun controls go wii. If you want a giant electric sucking ps2 go ps3. :D

[dragonfire]

If you want great graphics but mediocre and unoriginal games go 360. If you want decent graphics but amazing games and fresh fun controls go wii. If you want a giant electric sucking ps2 go ps3. :D

[dragonfire]

If you want great graphics but mediocre and unoriginal games go 360. If you want decent graphics but amazing games and fresh fun controls go wii. If you want a giant electric sucking ps2 go ps3. :D

[johnny139]

If you want great graphics but mediocre and unoriginal games go 360. If you want decent graphics but amazing games and fresh fun controls go wii. If you want a giant electric sucking ps2 go ps3. :D

The 360 doesn't have many original games, but their games are the best in the genre. Halo is one of the greatest FPS ever; Dead Rising is... well, whatever it is it's the best. The list goes on.

[Uprising]

If you want great graphics but mediocre and unoriginal games go 360. If you want decent graphics but amazing games and fresh fun controls go wii. If you want a giant electric sucking ps2 go ps3. :D

The 360 doesn't have many original games, but their games are the best in the genre. Halo is one of the greatest FPS ever; Dead Rising is... well, whatever it is it's the best. The list goes on.I've never played one, but the Wii looks like it's graphics are better than decent.

[jcb231]

I saw a PS3 console for sale for the first time in the stores at my local Walmart. In fact, they had 2 PS3's in stock. I looked at the PS3 game selection, and it is still rather weak. I passed on getting the PS3, at least for now. I have an Xbox 360 and Wii already.

I've seen quite a few PS3s out there lately....I've never ever seen a Wii though. Those folks that bought PS3s thinking they'd cash-in are crying all over I'm sure. Wii speculators are probably making decent money though.

[Jandars_Hope]

Wii are still in short supply, very short supply. :D
As for which console i think is best...
I only have a Wii and i am liking alot of the games that are lined up.

I would like a 360 but my brother has one so i won't get one until i get my own place; lost planet would be at the top of my list.

I would like to get a PS3 too, but apart from the cost issue out of the launch titles the only one i would buy is Motorstorm. I have always preferred the games that were available on the PS consoles but never got them because i have always owned Nintendo consoles. But now with the Wii i can get games, such as Mortal Kombat, that i couldn't before. I will probably buy a PS3 in the future when the cost had lowered slightly and more games become available.