TV Show Discussion - The Dresden Files - Cancelled :(

[Malechi]

So anyone catch the premiere this evening?
I found it interesting and fun.

The Bad: Chick cop connection. Okay way, way too cliche.
The Good: The guys you think are the bad guys are in reality shades of grey good guys. Not playing good vs. evil is always a nice change.
Good Start: It appears they have set up a story arch, although not continued directly, it can easily return and should.
Good Character Start: Bob.

[toddrew]

The Good: The guys you think are the bad guys are in reality shades of grey good guys. Not playing good vs. evil is always a nice change.

This is very much important to driving the plot of the books. I'm glad they decided to use this device in the show.

From a post I had in another thread:
So far I like the show. Pretty solid character sketch from the books, circumstance has liberities, but that's not necessarily bad.

[Malechi]

I have not read the books. I only came to the knowledge that they existed recently in another thread here. Can I read them without ruining what I will see on TV I wonder? Or, do you think it will enhance the story lines beyond that which is seen in the series???

[toddrew]

I have not read the books. I only came to the knowledge that they existed recently in another thread here. Can I read them without ruining what I will see on TV I wonder? Or, do you think it will enhance the story lines beyond that which is seen in the series???

Based on the first show, you should be able to read the books and watch the show without spoiling either. The books had prejudiced me to some of the characters (mainly Dresden, Karrin Murphy, and Bob), and I'm pretty sure that reading the books added some depth to the characters that may have been lacking (the show seemed awfully quick to me) - that's why I'm interested in others' opinions on the characters.

The main (only?) reason I keep reading the books is to see what happens next, resolve questions raised - very soap opera-ish :lol: , but unabashedly so. Show seems to be headed in the same direction.

[toddrew]

The Bad: Chick cop connection. Okay way, way too cliche.

In the books, Murphy's character is very well developed (no, not like that! :) ). I hope they do the same with the TV episodes.

[netherspirit]

I have not read the books. I only came to the knowledge that they existed recently in another thread here. Can I read them without ruining what I will see on TV I wonder? Or, do you think it will enhance the story lines beyond that which is seen in the series???

I think it will enhance some things you see but could possibly ruin a few others. Most of the changes they make will be cosmetic, like Harry not wearing a Duster, the Jeep instead of the Bettle, Murphy being a brunette instead of a blonde and named Connie instead of Karrin, Morgan is black, a few other name changes, etc. I have heard that when we see his staff and wand that there is a "disguise spell" on it to make it seems less conspicious, so his staff looks like a hockey stick, and his wand looks like a drumstick. If you can get past the cosmetics of it, it shouldn't ruin anything. The books are a good read and I would recommend them to anyone who likes Fantasy/Sci-Fi.

From an interview Jim gave, the books won't contain anything from the show, and the show will mostly be creating its own stories (with the exception of the 2 hour movie they made, that was based on the first book, I hope they still show it!) using the characters from the books, kind of like an alternate universe type thing. The show will have its own cannon and its own continuity.

One thing that kind of caught me off guard was Bob, the last I had read he was going to be a Fire Spirt that lived in the fire place. In the books Bob is an orange air spirit, basically just a ball of orange light, it was weird, albeit kind of cool to see him as a ghost/person...I liked that they went back to the skull and didn't keep him in the fireplace.

I like that they kept Harry's sarcasm in the face of danger, when the skin walker said she was going to skin is "fun parts" he said "that'll keep me out of trouble.' I could totally see him saying that!

It did feel a bit rushed, and didn't feel like it should have been the first episode, it felt more like a mid-season filler. Maybe thats just because I was expecting Storm Front.

All in all I liked it, it has the "feel" of the books, and I plan to watch the next one.

[dra(gon)]

is that show like dexter?
the book is strech in 13 episode with manny new stuff?

[netherspirit]

After doing some digging, it appears they did indeed do some rearranging. The episode entitled "Storm Front" the title of the first book, is now the 5th episode. They had to go back and reshoot/re-edit some things to put Bob the Ghost in because it was originally reshot with him being the Fire Spirit that I mentioned above. Since it was originally supposed to be the 2 hour movie/pilot, it means its likely being cut down to an hour. :? I hope this doesn't ruin any of the continuity like it did when Firefly was aried out of order. :shock:

[InfinityMax]

I enjoyed it. I wouldn't say it skyrocketed to my top 10 shows, or even approached the awesome factor of anything I watch on HBO, but it was fun and entertaining, and I'll watch it again.

I only read the first book, and I don't think there's any reason you have to read them to enjoy the show. There are things in common, and things that changed, but most of the stuff that was 'canon' is still largely intact.

[netherspirit]

I'm reading some stuff over on the Jim Butcher forums and someone called the show DINO (Dresden In Name Only). I think that will be the way to look at the show, keep the books and the show separate (assuming you have read the books that is).

There is some interesting stuff over there. Jim Butcher posts, as does Robert Wolfe.

http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/

[markwars]

nether I would have to agree that this seemed like a mid season episode rather than a pilot or premiere episode. I was frankly a little confused at times (having never read the books). There were a LOT of different chicks to keep up with in this first episode. And I have a bunch of questions centering around all of them.

There is the latina cop. I can keep her straight. Is she in the books?

Then there was the lady that Harry had "checking facts" for him. She had long straight red hair I think. She was the one that went all crazy looking in the diner with the glowing eyes and weird facial expressions. What was her name? And I'm guessing she'a a familiar character in the books because they seemed to know each other well.

The next character was Harry's love interest that I think worked in the diner. Is she a recurring character or does Harry have a lot of special ladies in his life?

Then there was the blonde chick that was a Skin Something or other that worked for "someone else". Who was the someone else? Was it Harry's uncle? The same guy that seemed to be after the kid in this episode?

Last there was the lady playing the kid's mom. Are she and the boy regulars in the books? Or is this all out of left field?

[Malechi]

...Then there was the lady that Harry had "checking facts" for him. She had long straight red hair I think. She was the one that went all crazy looking in the diner with the glowing eyes and weird facial expressions. What was her name? And I'm guessing she'a a familiar character in the books because they seemed to know each other well.

Well, she won't be back anytime soon. At least until she Crazy Glues her skin back on ...

...Then there was the blonde chick that was a Skin Something or other that worked for "someone else".

Skin Walker. The blonde she was "wearing" was the body the detectives found. She also "blew up" at the end of the episode with Bob's Doom Box. We won't be seeing that Skin Walker again.

... Who was the someone else? Was it Harry's uncle? The same guy that seemed to be after the kid in this episode?

Not Harry's Uncle, unless he's back from the dead. Bob states Harry killed his uncle and burnt one of Bob's Grimoires.

[ej]

I'm reading some stuff over on the Jim Butcher forums and someone called the show DINO (Dresden In Name Only). I think that will be the way to look at the show, keep the books and the show separate (assuming you have read the books that is).



Kind of like X3? :roll:

If only more people would've appreciated X3 for what it was instead of what they thought it was supposed to be... oh well. Still, not everyone is capable.

[markwars]

...Then there was the lady that Harry had "checking facts" for him. She had long straight red hair I think. She was the one that went all crazy looking in the diner with the glowing eyes and weird facial expressions. What was her name? And I'm guessing she'a a familiar character in the books because they seemed to know each other well.

Well, she won't be back anytime soon. At least until she Crazy Glues her skin back on ...

When did she die? I must have missed that.


... Who was the someone else? Was it Harry's uncle? The same guy that seemed to be after the kid in this episode?

Not Harry's Uncle, unless he's back from the dead. Bob states Harry killed his uncle and burnt one of Bob's Grimoires.

Oops. I forgot that. That's right. I obviously need to watch this episode again. Last night I was eating dinner and juggling two kids while watching it. :P

[netherspirit]

Last there was the lady playing the kid's mom. Are she and the boy regulars in the books? Or is this all out of left field?

Of the characters in the show; Harry, Bob, Murphy (the female cop) and Justin (he wasn't his uncle in the books) were the only ones that come from the books.

I would imagine they will flesh out what happened between Justin and Harry more. Bob said that Harry killed Justin, apparently though, he didn't die or something is up because I am pretty dang sure that was him outside the church when the doombox went boom.

Harry's back story in the books is really good. I hope they flesh it out and explain it more in the show. From the looks of the episode last night they will be.

It was only the first episode so I still have high hopes for what is to come. From reading what Jim has said about the episodes that he has seen there is going to be some good stuff in the future.

[toddrew]

Disclaimer: I'm only on Book 5, Book 9 is due in April:

nether I would have to agree that this seemed like a mid season episode rather than a pilot or premiere episode. I was frankly a little confused at times (having never read the books). There were a LOT of different chicks to keep up with in this first episode. And I have a bunch of questions centering around all of them.

There is the latina cop. I can keep her straight. Is she in the books?


Yep, but she's not latina in the books.


Then there was the lady that Harry had "checking facts" for him. She had long straight red hair I think. She was the one that went all crazy looking in the diner with the glowing eyes and weird facial expressions. What was her name? And I'm guessing she'a a familiar character in the books because they seemed to know each other well.

New character, or at the most an amalgamation of a few minor characters from the books.

The next character was Harry's love interest that I think worked in the diner. Is she a recurring character or does Harry have a lot of special ladies in his life?


Through Book 5 there are 3 "special ladies" (and one of them is only a special teaser, so far) - none of them are Laura from the diner.

Then there was the blonde chick that was a Skin Something or other that worked for "someone else". Who was the someone else? Was it Harry's uncle? The same guy that seemed to be after the kid in this episode?

In each book there is always "someone else", if not several "someone else"'s, and possibly an overarching "someone else". The end of the episode suggests that his uncle (who in the books is not his uncle and presumed dead by Harry's doing) is the "someone else".

Last there was the lady playing the kid's mom. Are she and the boy regulars in the books? Or is this all out of left field?

All out of left field - again, through Book 5.

[markwars]

Thanks for the info toddrew. ;) I'm much more on top of it now. :)

Does anyone know if this episode will be rebroadcast before Sunday's new episode?

[netherspirit]

Does anyone know if this episode will be rebroadcast before Sunday's new episode?

According to SciFi.com its on

Tonight at 11:00pm
Thursday at 6:00pm
Friday/Saturday at 12:00am
Saturday 11:30am
Sunday at 9:00am
Sunday at 8:00pm before the new one.

Those are all EST.

Does that help? :P

[InfinityMax]

Nether, I was slightly confused at the black car outside the church. I know from reading Storm Front that the dead mentor wasn't the uncle - I just figured they were subbing in some family to make it more interesting.

But if Harry killed him, as he states more than once during the show, how is he outside the church? So not getting it.

[netherspirit]

Nether, I was slightly confused at the black car outside the church. I know from reading Storm Front that the dead mentor wasn't the uncle - I just figured they were subbing in some family to make it more interesting.

But if Harry killed him, as he states more than once during the show, how is he outside the church? So not getting it.

Me either. I have no idea whats going on there. Hopefully the later shows will make it make more sense?

I have a feeling after watching Storm Front (episode 5) I am going to hate the fact that they pushed it back instead of showing it first. It was designed to be the pilot ...

[markwars]

Well there's no shortage of re-runs to try to make sense of the episode with. :P

Thanks for that list nether. :wink:

[markwars]

I'm going to watch this again this afternoon and see if I can't follow it a little better.

[Doc_Savage]

I also felt like I missed the first episode... Like I was coming into the middle of a story. Thanks for letting me know I'm not crazy.

The show was OK and I am Tivoing it and will watch the next episodes.

[Malechi]

Was it Harry's uncle? The same guy that seemed to be after the kid in this episode?
In each book there is always "someone else", if not several "someone else"'s, and possibly an overarching "someone else". The end of the episode suggests that his uncle (who in the books is not his uncle and presumed dead by Harry's doing) is the "someone else".

Nice to know about Harry's Uncle being "presumed dead" as he appears in the scene outside the apartment building when the Skinwalker goes boom! Yet earlier in the episode Bob states Harry "self-defensed" his uncle to death ... I thought I was going nuts - I even watched it a few times to be sure what I was seeing/hearing!

[toddrew]

Nice to know about Harry's Uncle being "presumed dead" as he appears in the scene outside the apartment building when the Skinwalker goes boom! Yet earlier in the episode Bob states Harry "self-defensed" his uncle to death ... I thought I was going nuts - I even watched it a few times to be sure what I was seeing/hearing!

I finished up with Book 5 the other day, and the only reason to believe that the character in the books "Justin" (whose reflection in the TV version is Harry's "Uncle Justin") isn't dead, is the insistence that he is dead :lol:

I'm sure you know how fiction in general, fantasy fiction especially, work - nothing's out of the question, sometimes maddeningly inconsistently so.

I once saw this movie trilogy where all the way through to the end of the second installment one was told that the character "Luke Skywalker"'s father was dead, and then it turns out that his father is his nemesis in a full body prosthesis (hope I didn't spoil that for anyone :lol: ). Stuff like that.

[markwars]

After watching this a second time last night it made a LOT more sense. I can't help but feel that this episode was never meant to be the first one aired though.

[netherspirit]

After watching this a second time last night it made a LOT more sense. I can't help but feel that this episode was never meant to be the first one aired though.

It wasn't.

[toddrew]

After watching this a second time last night it made a LOT more sense. I can't help but feel that this episode was never meant to be the first one aired though.

It wasn't.

I guess an executive decision was made that they should begin with Harry's relationship to his father and uncle as the driving plot behind the series.

I hope that, similar to the books, they establish lots of plotlines, concentrate on one then let it fade just out of one's thought, only to have a door open later and bam - there it is again. I like how the books juggle all the goings on.

[netherspirit]

After watching this a second time last night it made a LOT more sense. I can't help but feel that this episode was never meant to be the first one aired though.

It wasn't.

I guess an executive decision was made that they should begin with Harry's relationship to his father and uncle as the driving plot behind the series.

An executive decision was made to change Bob from a Fire Spirit living in Harry's fireplace to a Ghost trapped in his own skull. They filmed the 2 hour pilot with Bob as a Fire Spirit, but after the decision to change him came down they had to go back and refilm and reedit parts of the pilot.

The pilot (it was originally supposed to just be a movie, but SciFi liked what they saw that they picked it for a series before the movie aired) was supposed to be 2 hours long and based on the first book and titled after it (Storm Front). Now that it went back for re-editing they have cut it down to an hour and it will be the 5th episode of the season.

Jim Butcher is annoyed that they decided to show them out of order, but has faith that they made a good decision and it will not affect the continuity of the show. Lets hope he's right.

[toddrew]

They filmed the 2 hour pilot with Bob as a Fire Spirit, but after the decision to change him came down they had to go back and refilm and reedit parts of the pilot.

The pilot was supposed to be 2 hours long and based on the first book and titled after it (Storm Front). Now that it went back for re-editing they have cut it down to an hour and it will be the 5th episode of the season.

I am very wary of this episode. I was wondering how they were going to fit Storm Front into a 2 hour movie - now I have no idea how they are going to cram all (or even 1/3) of it into an hour (46 minutes with all the commercial breaks, mind you). Just cut to the chase, literally, I suppose.

Best part of the books, IMHO, is all of the building tension through mystery that takes place before the actual conflicts. I thought they did a fair effort of that with the first episode by not being forthcoming with the relationship between the Ravenfolk and the Skinwalker, letting us twist along with Harry and Bob as the show went on. Of course in the books there are usually 5 or 6 players rather than 2 :)

[markwars]

I plan on picking up Stormfront this weekend.

[toddrew]

I plan on picking up Stormfront this weekend.

I plan on you picking up "Fool Moon" (book 2) on Monday ;)

[Malechi]

I just plan on watching the next episode to night ... :roll:

[toddrew]

I just plan on watching the next episode to night ... :roll:

Do you know somebody :lol:

Next episode isn't until Sunday - (unless I'm wrong, which would be great, I can watch it tonight, not sure about Sunday).

[netherspirit]

If you go to www.scifi.com they are playing the first episode on the homepage. Nice....

[toddrew]

If you go to www.scifi.com they are playing the first episode on the homepage. Nice....
Networks doing this kinda thing is just too cool. I get so worked up about their enslavement (an admitted exaggeration :) ) of the viewer (commercial spots mostly), and then they come up with this...mitigates a little :)

[netherspirit]

I just plan on watching the next episode to night ... :roll:

Do you know somebody :lol:

Next episode isn't until Sunday - (unless I'm wrong, which would be great, I can watch it tonight, not sure about Sunday).

According to the sci-fi.com schedule, it will air again on Tuesday at 11:00pm EST

Also, going through their schedule there won't be a new episode on Superbowl Sunday (the 4th). Episode 3 won't air until the 11th.

[Malechi]

My bad. Looked at schedule, but not the episode desciption ... Doh!

[toddrew]

If you go to www.scifi.com they are playing the first episode on the homepage. Nice....

Now they are only playing the first 13 minutes :evil:

[netherspirit]

If you go to www.scifi.com they are playing the first episode on the homepage. Nice....

Now they are only playing the first 13 minutes :evil:

Booooooo! :evil:

[toddrew]

More or less off-topic, but doesn't warrant a thread of its own:

The entirety of our cultural works have all been one steady build up to: GRYPHON.

A sampling:

"I...uh...think I'm going to die..."
"It's just the poison talking."
"No...in the future."

EDIT: also I found the Dresden Files full length first episode Birds of a Feather (http://www.scifi.com/dresden/video/index.php?cat=features&seas=1&vid=57304) on the site.

[InfinityMax]

Sadly, Gryphon looks (to me) dumber than a bag of hammers. I'm planning on missing that one.

That is cool that they're posting the episodes for web viewing, particularly because they are a cable channel. It's not like the shows air on free TV. I love that they do that. If ABC would put Day Break on their web site, I would watch their accursed channel again. Right now, I walk out of the room when that channel is on.

[Joah]

Sadly, Gryphon looks (to me) dumber than a bag of hammers. I'm planning on missing that one.

That is cool that they're posting the episodes for web viewing, particularly because they are a cable channel. It's not like the shows air on free TV. I love that they do that. If ABC would put Day Break on their web site, I would watch their accursed channel again. Right now, I walk out of the room when that channel is on.
..."bag of hammers".. :lol:
Imax, are you saying you're done with "Lost" too?

Finally caught "Dresden" the other night. Not too bad, I'll follow this for a while.

[netherspirit]

Sadly, Gryphon looks (to me) dumber than a bag of hammers. I'm planning on missing that one.

That is cool that they're posting the episodes for web viewing, particularly because they are a cable channel. It's not like the shows air on free TV. I love that they do that. If ABC would put Day Break on their web site, I would watch their accursed channel again. Right now, I walk out of the room when that channel is on.
..."bag of hammers".. :lol:
Imax, are you saying you're done with "Lost" too?

Finally caught "Dresden" the other night. Not too bad, I'll follow this for a while.

Lost? What is this Lost that you speak of?

[Malechi]

Sadly, Gryphon looks (to me) dumber than a bag of hammers. I'm planning on missing that one.

That is cool that they're posting the episodes for web viewing, particularly because they are a cable channel. It's not like the shows air on free TV. I love that they do that. If ABC would put Day Break on their web site, I would watch their accursed channel again. Right now, I walk out of the room when that channel is on.
..."bag of hammers".. :lol:
Imax, are you saying you're done with "Lost" too?

Finally caught "Dresden" the other night. Not too bad, I'll follow this for a while.

Lost? What is this Lost that you speak of?

I think Lost was a TV series a long, long time ago. However it hasn't aired in so long I can't seem to remeber much about it ...

[InfinityMax]

Lost? That rings a bell. There was some show I was watching while I was waiting for it to come back - DVR'd it every time, even rewatched old episodes. Then it got canceled, and I just can't seem to find time to watch ABC any more.

[Joah]

Lost? What is this Lost that you speak of?

I think Lost was a TV series a long, long time ago. However it hasn't aired in so long I can't seem to remeber much about it ...[/quote]

Brush up fellas...
Ten more days...

[InfinityMax]

Ten days... if you're watching it. For me, I'll watch it when they put Day Break back on. Or put it on the site. Or somehow make it so that, after faithfully watching their show for seven weeks, I am able to see the last half of the season.

In the meantime, Lost and ABC can come right over and kiss my white butt. I'll just watch Dresden Files. And Rome. And Extras. And Black Books (because holy crap, that's a funny show).

[netherspirit]

This episode seems to be off to a good start so far. :D

[netherspirit]

Was just watching the opening credits; Nicolas Cage is an Executive Producer on this show...woah.

[netherspirit]

That was a good episode. Much better organized and way better paced than the first one.

Better than the first, me thinks.

[InfinityMax]

Haven't seen it yet - just DVRd it while we watched Rome.

But I will be watching Lost again, because ABC finally came around and is putting new episodes of Day Break on ABC.com!

So now I have to add two new shows. I'm starting to be a TV-watching fool. Dang you, satellite!

[Tiberius]

I watched the Dresden files last night for the first time and I have to say it wasnt horrible, but it wasnt great. It didnt leave me with a big desire to run to watch it again, but I wouldnt work up a sweat to change the channel either if it was playing. I am usually into the supernatural investigator type of shows. I dont know, maybe I saw an off episode?

[netherspirit]

I dont know, maybe I saw an off episode?

There are only 2 of them so far...

[Tiberius]

Then I caught the end of the first one with the kid who is "special" and all of the one with the egyptian body jumper guy.

[markwars]

The second episode seemed a lot less confusing to me than the first one did. In fact I liked it a lot more on just about every level. Too bad there's a Super Bowl mucking up the schedule because I'd like to see another new episode next week.

[netherspirit]

The second episode seemed a lot less confusing to me than the first one did. In fact I liked it a lot more on just about every level. Too bad there's a Super Bowl mucking up the schedule because I'd like to see another new episode next week.

I too would love to see another new episode, but I am actually glad there isn't a new episode next week. Its pointless for any show to try and compete with the Superbowl.

[Malechi]

The second episode seemed a lot less confusing to me than the first one did. In fact I liked it a lot more on just about every level. Too bad there's a Super Bowl mucking up the schedule because I'd like to see another new episode next week.

I too would love to see another new episode, but I am actually glad there isn't a new episode next week. Its pointless for any show to try and compete with the Superbowl.

Considering they repeat it during the week at infinitum (I think the first episode played some 9 times last week), what is the point of not going against the Superbowl and keeping those that have started the series going? Having two episodes and taking a break, even a two week break seems, at least to me, detrimental to the series as a whole.

[netherspirit]

The second episode seemed a lot less confusing to me than the first one did. In fact I liked it a lot more on just about every level. Too bad there's a Super Bowl mucking up the schedule because I'd like to see another new episode next week.

I too would love to see another new episode, but I am actually glad there isn't a new episode next week. Its pointless for any show to try and compete with the Superbowl.

Considering they repeat it during the week at infinitum (I think the first episode played some 9 times last week), what is the point of not going against the Superbowl and keeping those that have started the series going? Having two episodes and taking a break, even a two week break seems, at least to me, detrimental to the series as a whole.

Its a one week break. BSG is on break too.

This week's episode is only reairing twice, tommorrow and Sunday, unless they have changed their schedule since I last looked.

[Malechi]

I gave up on BSG after their Terrorists are Good People storyline ...

[markwars]

This week's episode is only reairing twice, tommorrow and Sunday, unless they have changed their schedule since I last looked.

Darn it! I was hoping they would air the heck out of this one like they did the first. Oh well. :cry:

[markwars]

BTW, I wanted to report that I started looking for the book Storm Front last week. Not a single bookstore in town had it. Most didn't have more than one or two titles by Butcher. :cry: This past weekend I had to go to three bookstores in Dallas proper to find a copy of it.

I would have ordered through Amazon a week ago if I had known it would be this hard to find. I guess I haven't bought a book at brick and mortar store in about seven years and I was shocked. Maybe everyone else went to Amazon with me right around the year 2000. :?:

[InfinityMax]

Yeah, I suspect the show is causing a bit of a run on Butcher books. I looked for the second book a couple weeks ago, and no place in Arlington had it.

[toddrew]

I got the first four books one at a time at the local Borders (or Barnes and Noble, I do not know which it is :lol: ), the local bookstore didn't have any Butcher titles, Borders had one or two of each. The rest of them I checked out from the library. Storm Front was on hold, otherwise I would've probably checked them all out instead of purchasing them.

[markwars]

Well I bought the first two and I'll simply order the rest through Amazon.

And I watched Episode 2 - "The Boone Identity" last night and liked it even more the second time around. It's much better than "Birds of a Feather" and would have made a better premier episode in my opinion. BTW, near the end of the episode the SciFi channel played about a two minute preview of upcoming episodes. There's some really cool looking stuff on the way. I hadn't seen that promo before and now I'm really glad I stayed up late to watch it. :) Did anyone else catch that?

[netherspirit]

BTW, near the end of the episode the SciFi channel played about a two minute preview of upcoming episodes. There's some really cool looking stuff on the way. I hadn't seen that promo before and now I'm really glad I stayed up late to watch it. :) Did anyone else catch that?

Dang, I missed it! I'm going to see if they have it up at Sci-Fi or on Youtube. :D

I am looking forward to meeting Morgan, I wonder if he will play the same role as the Morgan in the books. I have a feeling that we will meet Butters on the show soon. He is probably one of my favorite characters in the later books.

[markwars]

Let me know if you find that teaser. It was very long and very rapid fire and I know there was tons of stuff that I probably missed.

[netherspirit]

Didn't find the promo yet but here is an 8 minute interview with Jim Butcher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DbsSGiGCmw

[netherspirit]

Tonight's episode has a very similar plot to the Second book, Fool Moon.

On a side note, the Coroner was totally wearing an "I ♥ Polka" shirt! That was Butters, woooooo! He is a great character that comes in, in the later books.

EDIT - Pretty good episode; got to see all kinds of new magic and his drumstick wand and hockeystick staff. From the promo for next week's episode, we are finally going to get to meet Morgan!

[toddrew]

Tonight's episode has a very similar plot to the Second book, Fool Moon.



I've enjoyed picking out which plot points are being adapted from the books, and which characters are amalgamations of which...and yeah I thought "Agent Benn" when Raskin (sp) was introduced.

As far as the series in general: So far, so good, I say. Some of the "dramatic" moments are a bit tough to weather, but on the whole I'm enjoying the show :)

[netherspirit]

Tonight's episode has a very similar plot to the Second book, Fool Moon.



I've enjoyed picking out which plot points are being adapted from the books, and which characters are amalgamations of which...and yeah I thought "Agent Benn" when Raskin (sp) was introduced.

Yeah, I thought the same thing when the Raskin from the FBI came in. It was a bit anti-climatic when Harry discovered what was going on because I already knew it because it followed the same general plot as the book.

[Malechi]

... It was a bit anti-climatic when Harry discovered what was going on because I already knew it because it followed the same general plot as the book.

Well, I never read the books and knew exactly what was going on long before Dresden did. It was very thinly veiled ...

I found it a little odd that Dresden and wolfy-chick picked up this romance a little too quickly. Or, does Dresden always take advantage of the Hero/Damsel in Distress Syndrome?

[markwars]

I liked the episode - or what I saw of it - but I'll need to watch it again. I was pretty sick and just slightly out of it while watching last night.

[toddrew]

I found it a little odd that Dresden and wolfy-chick picked up this romance a little too quickly. Or, does Dresden always take advantage of the Hero/Damsel in Distress Syndrome?

In a word, yes. In the books his chivalrous tendencies drive some of the plots, though the Romeo and Juliet type romance is between him and Susan Rodriguez.

The fluffy soft-core "fantasy erotica" that is displayed in "Dresden Files", isn't as horrible (IMHO) as the stuff on Battlestar Galactica, but doesn't quite seem right here either.

[Malechi]

As this was the first time it happened, I can chalk it up to his potion induced uber-enhanced smell ability combined with her wolf-in-heat pheromones.

:twisted:

[InfinityMax]

I liked this episode more than the other two so far. It was entertaining and a lot more exciting.

But that romance did feel completely forced.

[brigade101]

I found it a little odd that Dresden and wolfy-chick picked up this romance a little too quickly. Or, does Dresden always take advantage of the Hero/Damsel in Distress Syndrome?

The fluffy soft-core "fantasy erotica" that is displayed in "Dresden Files", isn't as horrible (IMHO) as the stuff on Battlestar Galactica, but doesn't quite seem right here either.

Don't know about that but the red haired chick was pretty dang hot ! :P

[Malechi]

But that romance did feel completely forced.

And when you force romance the cops get involved ... :wink:

[markwars]

As this was the first time it happened, I can chalk it up to his potion induced uber-enhanced smell ability combined with her wolf-in-heat pheromones.

:twisted:

Didn't he wake up with the waitress from the diner in the first episode?

[Malechi]

As this was the first time it happened, I can chalk it up to his potion induced uber-enhanced smell ability combined with her wolf-in-heat pheromones.

:twisted:

Didn't he wake up with the waitress from the diner in the first episode?

True 'nuf. But, then again, we have no idea how long that relationship was going before they got into bed ...

[markwars]

I found it kind of funny, but did any of the rest of you pick up on the mom's more than playful interactions with Dresden in Birds of a Feather. The way she touched his chest when he was talking about his dad was almost over the top. I laughed and laughed.

I think this show is out to portray Dresden as a dog. 8)

BTW, the first book is an awesome read. I can't wait to start Fool Moon.

[netherspirit]

BTW, the first book is an awesome read. I can't wait to start Fool Moon.

They only get better and better as you delve deeper into the Dresden Universe.

[markwars]

Episode 4 - Rules of Engagement was pretty good. I finally feel like I know what's going on and what to expect from certain characters. Morgan was a bit of a departure in my opinion from the books though. In Stormfront the first time we see Morgan he gets decked by Harry and they end up in a bit of a brawl. In this episode though, Morgan actually helps Harry out - though he's still an @$$ about it.

The angle of Harry as a dog was played once again. He was driving hard to the hoop with the girl that loved the hellion until he found out about her relationship.

And I'm still not sure what to think about Bob in the TV series. In the books he's not such a central part of everything. I think he's a little overdone in the TV show, but perhaps he's needed to clue in the audience. They definitely couldn't have left him as a glowing orange sphere. :P

Next week appears to be about Bianca. That should be interesting. Didn't you guys say it's the episode based on Stormfront?

One note about the re-runs...it seems they've moved from Tuesday 11pm to Monday 11pm. Also on February 28th they are running a marathon of all five episodes up to that point.

[netherspirit]

According to http://www.epguides.com/DresdenFiles/ Storm Front got pushed back another week...

It also appears they are showing the show way out of order...

It was supposed to be:
1. Storm Front (supposed to have been a 2 hour pilot)
2. Rules of Engagement
3. Birds of a Feather
4. The Boone Identity
5. Hair of the Dog

[Tiberius]

Rules of engagement was the one they just showed Sunday, I actually liked that one alot. The show probably would have made more sense to me had they shown the pilot first. Isnt that what they did to firefly?

[netherspirit]

Rules of engagement was the one they just showed Sunday, I actually liked that one alot. The show probably would have made more sense to me had they shown the pilot first. Isnt that what they did to firefly?

It is indeed what Fox did to Firefly. Which I don't understand at all because the Pilot for Firefly is AWESOME.

[markwars]

So next week's episode Bad Blood is perhaps an intro to Bianca before Storm Front?

[markwars]

I think that Butcher must have arrived...or sold out one. I saw one of his books at Walmart this morning. :lol:

[netherspirit]

Ugh. According to epguides.com Storm Front has been pushed back again! Its now going to be episode 8! Grrrr....

[netherspirit]

TV Bianca and Dresden relationship not nearly as awesome Book Bianca and Dresden relationship... :(

[markwars]

What is the episode that is airing next week then? It sure didn't look like Stormfront. :?: Why does it keep getting pushed back?


OK, I really liked tonight's episode. It established the 3rd Eye storyline and Bianca. Harry is really coming into his own as a character in the series. It looks like the waitress from the diner is back (sort of).

Who is Mize (sp?)? And more importantly, what is Mize?

[netherspirit]

Who is Mize (sp?)? And more importantly, what is Mize?

Ancient Mai?

As for Storm Front, I mentioned in the last post on the previous page, it got pushed back again to the 8th episode....sigh....

I liked the episode, but I like the relationship between Bianca and Dresden in the book better...

Next week's episode is called Soul Beneficiary, and looks interesting.

[markwars]

What is Ancient Mai? Is that anywhere in the books? I'm only about three chapters into Fool Moon so....

[netherspirit]

What is Ancient Mai? Is that anywhere in the books? I'm only about three chapters into Fool Moon so....

Nope, shes a TV only character...as for what she is, I have no idea, they said she was in charge of the High Council.

[markwars]

For anyone wanting to start this show tonight is a good time. There is a marathon of every episode starting at 7 ET/6 CT on the Sci Fi Channel tonight.

[netherspirit]

What is Ancient Mai? Is that anywhere in the books? I'm only about three chapters into Fool Moon so....

Nope, shes a TV only character...as for what she is, I have no idea, they said she was in charge of the High Council.

I was talking to Oogiezone just now it seems that I forgot about the parts of the books that Ancient Mai is in. She has had some very small parts and/or mentions in the books...

[markwars]

The episode last night was fantastic. In my opinion it was easily the best yet. Murphy is now a complete character. Bob is now a complete character. And Harry is more awesome than ever. The episode had some surprising twists and turns and what I liked about it the most was that in the end it didn't get neatly wrapped up.

I pray that this show gets to do a second season. When some of these continuing stories come back to haunt Dresden it's going to be awesome.

Thanks again for making me aware of Butcher and this show, nether. I owe you big time! :D

[markwars]

After re-watching this episode last night I can definitely say it was the best yet. If you've given up on this show give it another shot and watch it at 5ET on Friday. The moments with Bob and Harry bickering, the recurring scene with the paramedic, the kiss between Harry and Murphy....all funny stuff.

Surely I'm not the only one still watching am I?

[Tiberius]

I watched most of it Sunday night but missed the last 15 minutes or so. I really liked what I saw and would really like to see the rest. I will have to keep an eye out for the re-showing of it.

[toddrew]

I will have to keep an eye out for the re-showing of it.

I think with some digging, all the episodes are available to watch online at SciFi.com, but in particular, here's the link to the last episode, Soul Beneficiary (http://www.scifi.com/dresden/video/index.php?cat=fullep&seas=1&vid=76397). Which, as markwars pointed out, is pretty funny, and in a good way. The progression of looks the lead guy taking the bodies out of Dresden's home gives Harry is worth the price of admission, which, granted, is nothing :lol: , but, yeah, good episode.

[markwars]

Soul Beneficiary will be shown again tomorrow at 5pm ET.

[InfinityMax]

Yeah, the meatwagon guy made me laugh out loud. That was a very good episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[markwars]

Last night's episode Walls was pretty darn good. The story was tighter than last week's, but it wasn't as good as Soul Beneficiary. A second look tonight should be worth it.

[Tiberius]

The dresden files had a slow start for me but the more I watch it the more I like it. I really liked last nights episode of Walls, I am really starting to get into this show.

[markwars]

I agree. The first five episodes were harder to get into, but now the show seems to have found its legs. When I watched the marathon a couple of weeks ago though those first episodes seemed a lot better. This show just really needed a solid two hour premiere to kick it off.

[toddrew]

I agree. The first five episodes were harder to get into, but now the show seems to have found its legs. When I watched the marathon a couple of weeks ago though those first episodes seemed a lot better. This show just really needed a solid two hour premiere to kick it off.

Agreed - reading the books first was sorta like having watched the non-existant (at least to the viewing public anyway) 2-hour pilot. Besides some character reassignments I had to do in my head, off and running with episode 1 was I :lol:

Not much of a complaint, but last week's episode was better than this week's, which was still fun to watch.

[netherspirit]

It was really evident (to me) that this was supposed to be the first episode. There was more magic, bigger special effects, you could tell that it was supposed to be the one that drew you into the Dresden-Verse. I really wish they would have kept it as the 2 hour pilot it was supposed to be...

They totally edited out Bob, I thought they were reshooting the scenes with him, but nope. No Bob what-so-ever.

Mister the was there, even if he did seem a little small...

Morgan's sword was there, which with what we have seen of Morgan so far seemed out of place. I liked the sword because its in the book, but seemed out of place for the show.

[markwars]

I agree that this episode had a totally different feel to it. Waaaaaaaaaaay more special effects in general. When I was watching it I wondered to myself how infinitely disappointing the "Birds of a Feather" episode would have been as a second episode. :?: Seriously it would have sucked if that was the follow up episode. I think Sci Fi knew what they were doing perhaps. Here's my theory...

The Sci Fi Channel is really behind this show and desperately want it to be the next Battlestar Gallactica. They bet that word of mouth would be necessary for this show to find its audience much in the same way Battlestar did. They felt that this show would have a bigger audience by Week 8 than Week 1, so they looked at the episodes they had shot and picked the one that felt truest to the books and had the least need for special effects. They wanted one that didn't contradict the books a lot so as to hook purist fans of Mr. Butcher. They also didn't have a lot of time to amp up the first episode and give it the usual polish you see on a pilot episode. "Birds of a Feather" certainly looked rather hastily done. Many of the shots are dark and grainy. The editting is a bit off in other parts and the special effects are almost completely absent. When you see "Stormfront" you see a much cleaner edit, brighter more rich shots, and characters that don't always seem quite in character - as you might expect well into the season. At this point I think Sci Fi has been giving us better and better episodes each week, and continue to give plenty of reasons for the viewers to recommend this show to friends.

After last night's episode I was pretty much on the edge of my seat. If the episodes can continue on the track that we are on this show is going to do quite well for a Sci Fi show. It will be interesting to see how next week's episode compares. It certainly looks like the confrontational intensity will still be there.

Now about the book Stormfront compared to the episode "Stormfront"... This story was a bit jarring. First of all Susan wasn't quite what I expected. 8) The murders were identical, but the show has much different motives. I was hoping to see a Toad Demon and some giant Scorpions...that obviously didn't happen. Victor had a pretty lame backstory on the show. Ancient Mai was oddly inserted into this episode, though she's a lot more interesting than in the last episode we saw her in "Bad Blood". Morgan certainly had a different feel to him than in his first encounter in the books. :P And when you take Bob completely out of the equation he is sorely missed.

Over all the TV episode was severely disjointed due to the massive amount of editting that had to be done to cram it into an hour. I really hope that at some point in the future we get a Season One DVD that includes the pilot as it was originally intended. It's really hard to judge this episode in comparison to others because we only saw half of it. That said I thought what we did see was visually the best yet. I hope that next week's episode "The Other Dick" is at least close to as good effects wise and in terms of being packed with magic. :)

[markwars]

Did anyone else see that Dresden was on USA on Thursday night? Is that a good sign or a bad one?

[netherspirit]

Did anyone else see that Dresden was on USA on Thursday night? Is that a good sign or a bad one?

Oh interesting...

[markwars]

It was really odd. They touted it as the USA premiere, but the episode they showed was "Rules of Engagement". :?:

[netherspirit]

Looking at the IMDB page they have upcoming airings and its going to be on USA April 3-6 with episodes 7,8,9 and 12.

I will dig a little deeper and see whats going on...

[markwars]

Is this a good thing? Or is it more in the "desperate measures" camp?

[toddrew]

Did anyone else see that Dresden was on USA on Thursday night? Is that a good sign or a bad one?

Good sign, I'd say - one step away from NBC :lol:

Seriously, the more it's shown, the more exposure, the better, assuming one wants the show to go on ;)

[markwars]

I am definitely hoping the show goes on. If nothing else a Season 1 DVD might be the only way we ever get to see the original 2 hour version of Storm Front.

[InfinityMax]

I thought this episode was so obviously supposed to be the trailer - no Bob, his shop looks completely different, and they actually explain why he doesn't have a computer. Plus he used magic more than he ever has.

I actually loved it. I thought it was one of the best so far. Shame they had to trim it down so far, but I really enjoyed the show regardless.

[markwars]

OK, last night's episode might not have been the best one yet, but it sure was the funniest one so far. :lol:

[Tiberius]

Yeah, I really enjoyed watching the show last night. It was good to see a semi-light episode where, the PI's assistant was obviously comic relief. A funny episode that I enjoyed immensely.

[markwars]

The scene where the PI's assistant and Dresden are talking to the fertility specialist was just hilarious. :rofl:

[Malechi]

I enjoyed Claudia Black's character. It was nice to see her softened up a bit from her harsh character, Aeryn Sun, on Farscape and her whacked out make up and costumes that don't fit her on Stargate-SG1 as Vala. I can see the character being brought back into the series easily enough (her characters have a tendency to do just that in most every series she has been in) and with Stargate-SG1 ending the series this season I see it as likely.

[markwars]

I don't watch any of her other shows, but if they can make her look like this again I'd love to have her back...

http://venus.provocateuse.com/images/photos/claudia_black_02.jpg

[markwars]

Last night's episode was pretty good. Too bad it was OBVIOUS that it was supposed to aired right after the "Boone Identity" episode. They even had to add a 'previously on Dresden Files' to it. There was lots of magic. Justin has been revealed. Harry had the hottest hottie so far - even if she was a criminal. And the Murphy/Harry dynamic seemed truer to the books.

[netherspirit]

Finally got around to watching Sunday's episode. It was pretty good, one of the best ones the season so far.

I'm really disappointed that they decided to show the episodes out of order...

Did anyone else catch the Jim Butcher cameo? He was standing in the background when they opened Justin's casket.

[markwars]

Now I have to watch it on Friday just to see that! :P

nether, you're right about it being one of the better episodes. Imagine if they had played Storm Front first, then The Boone Identity, and then What About Bob as the first three episodes. How many more people would they have hooked? How they started with Birds of a Feather I'll never know.

[markwars]

Last night's episode Things That Go Bump was awesome. :) I really liked the development (well almost development) of Dresden and Murphy's relationship. All the extras with Morgan and Mai were cool too. And the villain was nerdishly perfect.

nether was this episode based on any of Butcher's books? I'm only on Grave Peril .

[Tiberius]

That was a really cool episode and it really implied alot about Ancient Mai. I really need to look into these books. They are by Jim Butcher, right? Are they pretty main stream or do you have to jump through hoops to get them?

[markwars]

The Dresden Files series is indeed by Jim Butcher. You can find them fairly easily at any Borders, Waldens, Hastings, Barnes & Nobles or whatever. After the series first started they were kind of hard to find, but when I picked up Books 2 and 3 I found the shelves were loaded with them. You can also order them in bundles of 4 through the SciFi website for about $20.

I have been working them into my reading list and I can't recommend to other folks enough. They are fantastic.

[markwars]

Sweet episode last night. After last week it's nice to see that this week's relationship development between Harry and Murphy was real. :P What sucks is that that's it for the season. :(

I really hope that they will rebroadcast these again soon though because rewatching the rerun episodes has made me realize that they are way better the second or third time.

[netherspirit]

It was pretty good. I am pleased with the series overall, granted there are things from the books that I would love to see on the screen, but overall it was a good 12 episodes. Maybe I will go back and watch them this Summer in the order they were originally intended to be shown.

Here's to hoping it gets picked up for a second season. I will keep my ear to the ground and post here when I hear one way or the other.

[markwars]

Thanks nether. ;)

[netherspirit]

Season 1 DVD info from www.dresdenfiles.org and www.jim-butcher.com

Key Selling Points:

• The Complete Season One
• Aired Spring 2007 on the SciFi Channel
• Top 20 (#16) most downloaded TV shows from iTUNES (2/20/07)
• "Dresden is as beautiful to watch as it is intelligent and witty to hear" - The Hollywood Reporter
• "Brooding, seductive and smart" - The Hollywood Reporter
• "Harry Potter meets CSI" - The Christian Science Monitor

Special Features:
• Original pilot episode and specially produced featurettes
• Audio Commentary
• A "Making of" Featurette
• Deleted Scenes

Screen Format: Widescreen
Rating: NR
Run Time: 530

Pre-Order Date: 7/11/07
Street Date: 8/7/07
SRP: $39.98

I hope "original" means the 2-hour pilot. :?

[markwars]

I think it might nether. My fingers are crossed, but even if it isn't I'll be thrilled to buy this DVD.

Now I am just hoping Season 2 happens. :D

[netherspirit]

Now I am just hoping Season 2 happens. :D

I read an announcement that said they will be announcing that in May or June. Seeing as how May is almost over, I am thinking we will know somtime in June.

[toddrew]

Thanks for the heads up on that DVD release, nether. If sci-fi knows what it's doing they should have the premiere for season two shortly after that August release date...

[netherspirit]

Word around the web is that its been cancelled, however nothing has been annoucned officially yet, so there is still hope....

[ninthdoc]

My, how typical of Sci Fi. What to they care, they still have ECW? :roll:

[markwars]

Word around the web is that its been cancelled, however nothing has been annoucned officially yet, so there is still hope....

I thought they moved to another (better) studio? :cry:

[netherspirit]

Word around the web is that its been cancelled, however nothing has been annoucned officially yet, so there is still hope....

I thought they moved to another (better) studio? :cry:

From what I read, the town was being scouted for 2 different shows and they chose the other show...but its all speculation right now because nothing has come down from Sci-Fi officially yet.

[markwars]

And just weeks away from the DVD release....:(

[Ted]

Any that still desire the show can follow this link. It might be a last ditch effort but we had a letter writing campaign to keep it going and that did not seem to work. I am an avid fan of the Dresden universe and the potential loss of the show hurts but we need all the support we can to try and keep it going. Thanks.

http://maenad.tripod.com/saveharrydresden/

[markwars]

Done and done. I hope it works. :(

[netherspirit]

Its official. The Dresden Files will not be coming back for a second season. :(

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Roush-Dispatch/Dresden-Sci-Fis/800019821

After months of fielding questions from fans desperate to know if Sci Fi was ever going to make a decision on the fate of its clever private-eye/fantasy hybrid The Dresden Files, it's official: The show isn't returning for a second season.

A shame, but hardly a surprise, given the reticence to discuss the matter every time I brought it up to Sci Fi or NBC Universal Cable execs during the recent TCA press tour. In their world, it's all about "running the numbers" (in other words: looking at the ratings and budgets, etc.) and to them, Dresden just didn't seem to measure up.

This confirmation came my way the same morning that there are reports in the trades that Paul Blackthorne, Dresden's very appealing star, has joined the cast of ABC's Big Shots in a recurring role as what's being described as the show's "fifth CEO... a sophisticated, iconic tycoon that the [other] four (Dylan McDermott, Michael Vartan, Christopher Titus, Joshua Malina) aspire to be."

At least he's landed on his feet. Harry Dresden would be proud.

Here is a quote from Robert Wolfe (the writer of the show) over on Jim Butcher's message board (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php?topic=3991.0).


Ah well. That's television. I wish we'd been given another season, because I think we were starting to really find our feet. But alas, tis not to be.

So thanks one last time to the cast, the crew, my fellow writers, and all our talented directors. We gave it our best.

Also thanks to everyone who watched. Thanks for your faith and thanks for those 12 hours of your lives. We're glad you liked the show. We wish we could have given you more.

And thanks of course to Jim. Thanks for trusting Hans, David and me to bring your amazing character to life. Sorry we couldn't make it last a little longer, but we know the books will continue to rock for years to come.

All my best to everyone.

Robert Wolfe

[markwars]

:cry:

[Ted]

Well at least we can all go and buy the DVD of season one this Tuesday. I am sad that we will not get to see the series continue but for the Dresden fans at least the books will continue for along time to come.

[Jandars_Hope]

Cancelled! Oh i'm so gald i didn't get into this.

[markwars]

You should still watch the DVD. It was good.

[netherspirit]

You should still watch the DVD. It was good.

:word:


EDIT - Oh, no, I better add some words to this post so Rev will respect me. :lol:

[hex706f726368]

Well, that sucks. The show was pretty different from the books, but I still enjoyed it. I liked the TV show's version of Bob better than the book's.

[Jandars_Hope]

You should still watch the DVD. It was good.

:word:


EDIT - Oh, no, I better add some words to this post so Rev will respect me. :lol:
:rofl:
Oh no, now i have to think of something to say.... :shock:

Dresden had potential!? :runaway:

[markwars]

You should still watch the DVD. It was good.

:word:


EDIT - Oh, no, I better add some words to this post so Rev will respect me. :lol:
:rofl:
Oh no, now i have to think of something to say.... :shock:

Dresden had potential!? :runaway:

It had a ton of potential. And even thought it will never have any more episodes the first 12 were still pretty darn good.

[Tiberius]

Well at least he is still cranking out books. I had really liked the show after I got into it. (Birds of a Feather was an acquired taste, but the others rocked). Anyhow, I will miss the show but this tends to happen to all shows I get into. Firefly, Dresden, what other quality show are they going to cut now?

[InfinityMax]

Cancelled! Oh i'm so gald i didn't get into this.

It's not like the show got cut mid-season. It was really good, and they did at least finish the season. I'm glad I watched it from the start, I just wish they would make more of it.

[netherspirit]

Definately a bummer that the show got cancelled. :(

But thankfully there will be at least 4 more books, as Jim has sold books 12 and 13 to his publisher already. Hopefully he gets what he wants, 20 books in the series followed by a 3-book apocolypic finale.

[Ted]

Only 8 - 9 months to Small Favor!!

Anyone want to start a count down?

[Riggler]

I'm glad they made the series. A few weeks before the series began I saw a preview of it. Just so happened a few weeks before I saw the preview I had considered buying the Dresden File books. So, I ran out to read them all before the series started. (I didn't make it through ALL of them), but I was so disappointed in the first episode that I just didn't watch any more.

So I'm not devestated that the series was cancelled.

I just wish that someone like HBO would do a real adaptation of the books with no fear of offending anyone with a talking skull. Unfortunately, now that Sci-FI screwed it up, it will probably never happen. I'm sure Mr. Butcher probably doesn't want the headache of another reboot of the series either. His book sales soared with just a 12 episode run.

I think what made the series fail is that it was Soooo different from the books -- from casting to character changes to just flat out changing things for budget and "may be offensive" reasons. And sure a guy running around in a trenchcoat may look corney (a reason given for not having Dresden in the show wear a trench) but let's face it, the book Dresden is about as corney as they get. Which is what makes him fun.

[netherspirit]

I actually liked the change they made for Bob.

I hate that they showed the episodes out of order, and that they changed Storm Front into a 1 hour episode instead of the 2-hour movie it was originally supposed to be.

[hex706f726368]

I actually liked the change they made for Bob.

Seconded.

I actually liked the series as just a whole new take on the character. Too bad it never got far enough to meet any of the summer or winter faerie. :(

[markwars]

Did anyone here get the DVDs?

[MI_Tiger]

I just wish that someone like HBO would do a real adaptation of the books with no fear of offending anyone with a talking skull.



Was that really the reason Bob was changed? I just assumed a talking skull wasn't "visual" enough for TV. I actually liked the change in the way Bob was presented; having an actor play him as a ghost made the character more "real" to me than a talking prop would have been. The changes to Bob's back story are a different issue . . .

I haven't seen all the episodes, but overall I was disappointed with the series. I tried to appreciate the series as a separate story from the books, but as I watched I kept thinking things like "That's not what Bianca would do!" Its ironic, because I finally convinced a co-worker to try Battlestar Gallactica; he initially refused because he was a huge fan of the original and resented all the changes. Once he got over the comparisons he enjoyed the new story and I guess I could have done the same with Dresden if it survived longer.

Oh well, I'll just look forward to Small Favors and the upcoming graphic novel that was discussed in another thread.

MI_Tiger

[Riggler]

I just wish that someone like HBO would do a real adaptation of the books with no fear of offending anyone with a talking skull.



Was that really the reason Bob was changed? I just assumed a talking skull wasn't "visual" enough for TV. I actually liked the change in the way Bob was presented; having an actor play him as a ghost made the character more "real" to me than a talking prop would have been. The changes to Bob's back story are a different issue . . .

I haven't seen all the episodes, but overall I was disappointed with the series. I tried to appreciate the series as a separate story from the books, but as I watched I kept thinking things like "That's not what Bianca would do!" Its ironic, because I finally convinced a co-worker to try Battlestar Gallactica; he initially refused because he was a huge fan of the original and resented all the changes. Once he got over the comparisons he enjoyed the new story and I guess I could have done the same with Dresden if it survived longer.

Oh well, I'll just look forward to Small Favors and the upcoming graphic novel that was discussed in another thread.

MI_Tiger

Yeah there was a podcast with Butcher talking about the series back before it started. The podcasts are a real chore to listen to, though. It's the only one I bothered with. The reason also given was the duster would have looked cheesy as would the "Blue Beetle." Butcher said that while writing he only has to point out those things when he wants to emphasize the cheesiness of it, but on television those types of thing would be in your face all the time. (It did sound like he was making appologies for the show. I have my doubts he agreed with all the changes. And if his comments posted about the graphic novel are any indication, I would say he didn't agree with the changes in the show)

Apparently they didn't even try to cast characters based on whether they looked like the character, they cast based on "who could do the job." Translation -- They cast who was available and willing to work on the cheap.

[netherspirit]

Apparently they didn't even try to cast characters based on whether they looked like the character, they cast based on "who could do the job." Translation -- They cast who was available and willing to work on the cheap.

I think they did a good job casting Harry, Paul did a pretty decent job, IMO. Also, the woman who played Murphy did a good job portraying the toughness and attitude we've come to know and love from Murphy in the novels.

I remember reading that they changed the Beetle to a Jeep because its difficult to shoot inside a Beetle.

I think the changes that I mostly didn't like were the Hockey Stick, Drumstick, and no trench-coat. I looked past them but they bugged the crap out of me.