Talisman relaunch due in October 2007...

[LilNewbie]

http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=BI&content=talisman-pr

Can't wait to see what they do with it but hopefully the price isn't outrageous since Black Industries is the RPG arm of The Black Library which is the Book and CCG arm of Games Workshop. (So many arms and so little time) :D

Newb.

[mrbistro]

http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=BI&content=talisman-pr

Can't wait to see what they do with it but hopefully the price isn't outrageous since Black Industries is the RPG arm of The Black Library which is the Book and CCG arm of Games Workshop. (So many arms and so little time) :D

Newb.

I'm fairly excited. I used to love Talisman, and introduced many non-gamers to it with success. Since then I've turned to Return of the Heroes for that kind of fix, but I will watch this with great interest.

[bad_calvin]

I would love to get the game, but if they charge more then $50 for it, they can stick it where the sun don't shine. They have a nack for taking the value of a product.. doubling it and then adding a little more to top it off. I wrote off GW and all those associated with them many years ago.

But the game IS awesome! :)


http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=BI&content=talisman-pr

Can't wait to see what they do with it but hopefully the price isn't outrageous since Black Industries is the RPG arm of The Black Library which is the Book and CCG arm of Games Workshop. (So many arms and so little time) :D

Newb.

[Malechi]

The last re-release of Talisman third edition (couple years ago) was priced somewhere between $50 and $75 dollars. I got lucky and found it for $35 at a game store that really didn't realize what they had. I just hope this newest incarnation follows along the lines of version 2 mechanics more than version 3. I guess I will find out later this year when I add yet another selection with version 4 to my ever growing Talisman collection!

[Uprising]

Good deal. I'll look at it, maybe buy it, who knows. I'll probably still stick with my 2nd edition though. I would LOVE if they brought back the 2nd edition art.

[kanegrundar]

This sounds cool. Talisman takes a lot of flak, but I always enjoyed it. I hope they come out with the expansions as well. Some new sculpts of the minis would be nice also, but I have a feeling that we'll get the same ones, not that that's a bad thing. I could probably paint some of them much better a second time around.

[bad_calvin]

This sounds cool. Talisman takes a lot of flak, but I always enjoyed it. I hope they come out with the expansions as well. Some new sculpts of the minis would be nice also, but I have a feeling that we'll get the same ones, not that that's a bad thing. I could probably paint some of them much better a second time around.

That is what kills me. They will want $25+ for a miniature and a card and call it an add-on.

dam them for making such a fun game. :)

[kanegrundar]

Hopefully, Black Library will treat the fans better this time around. They've done pretty good with the new version of WFRP, so I have hope that the expansions will be more like the boxed expansions with more cards, a map tile and 4-6 new characters rather than just an overpriced character.

Now if they'd just get the OK to release an updated Warhammer Quest...

[netherspirit]

Fun. I haven't played Talisman but I have heard great things about it. Looking forward to being able to pick it up.

Mal, you say 2nd edition is the best?

[Grungebob]

Ihave this game and it is lame.

[bad_calvin]

Ihave this game and it is lame.

wanna sell it? perhaps trade?
I don't have a copy of it becasue of the cost. My buddy would bring it by.

[netherspirit]

Ihave this game and it is lame.

Really? What's lame about it?

[Grungebob]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

[LilNewbie]

I'm hoping the newer version is updated and doesn't suffer from some of the drawbacks of the older versions. The older game could drag since it is a roll-and-move and sometimes no one would land on the spaces they needed but I enjoyed the game at that time. Part of the fun was the group of people playing in the game. It hasn't aged well compared to some of the other great adventure games out there (Descent, WHQ, etc.) Here is hoping that the newer version will address these issues.

Newb.

[kanegrundar]

Talisman holds a specail place for me since it was the game that got me into much better games along the same premise such as Return of the Heroes and Runebound. It's true though that Talisman hasn't aged well and is greatly overshadowed by better games. Maybe this new edition will fix many of the issues that people have with the game, but I fear that doing so will cause it to lose much of it's original appeal and therefore lose a lot of the gamers that really like the game as is.

[dra(gon)]

im wondering about the comeback i read very bad things about the 3rd version.
http://www.harris-authors.com/talisman.html

.The end of an era
A lot of games now had huge plastic pieces as their selling point rather than lots of beautifully illustrated cards. We had discussions about expanding Talisman into a series of separate games each with lots of plastic bits, but nothing came of this. In the end a large, glossy third edition was published. By the time this version had run its course, the chaps at Games Workshop were a completely different bunch from those I had dealt with at the beginning. We exchanged letters and phone calls regarding the future of the Talisman. In the end they offered me a generous sum of money to buy out my interest in the game. In the life of every creative individual there comes a time to take the money and run, so I did.

I have no idea what plans there may be for Talisman in the future, but it is difficult to believe that a game which has proved so successful all over the world will not one day return to delight a new generation of gamers.


and i want the 4th edition as all in nobody wants to wait the regular 3 expansions.

fans want 3d charackter , paint if it is possibel and many of them, cool looking cards like wow and old and new cards and some new.


maybe some more 3 like the tower in 3rd and all the good staff from the second

[InfinityMax]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.

[bad_calvin]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.

heh. I liked that game too. :) I got rid of mine though a long time ago.

[Uprising]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.

Two of my favorite games....I guess I'm just a shallow repetitive kinda guy :(.
I can understand that Talisman can sometimes be longwinded, but no two games I've ever played have panned out the same. It has a pretty big character pool and all the expansions add a ton of cards that you can mix right in with the main deck. Many many college nights spent playing this instead of studying.

[Grungebob]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.Some of it is but Heroquest was more of a toolbox game and I know I m,ade tons of quests for it back in the day. Repetitive gameplay is a trademark of dungeon crawls. I remember playing the awesome Warhammer Quest game (now there is one that should get the reprint) Anyway there was this character called the Impirial Noble. He was supposed to be this dandy with a rapier sword. So the character was a master swordsman and could easily hit any creature no problem, but his whimpy rapier had a hard time actually causing a wound. The bad part was that his main ability allowed him to attack again if he hit but failed to wound. So when we played and somebody had the Noble we would sit there while they spent 10 minutes attacking. We would chant as the player kept rolling and it sounded like this:

Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! YES!!! FINALLY A WOUND!!!

[InfinityMax]

I never actually played Talisman. I wanted to, but couldn't score a copy. I love dungeon games, but they can get wearisome. I played about half the quests in the basic Heroquest box before I just got tired of it seeming like the same thing, every time.

[Gabbi]

never liked this game. I own its last edition, played previous ones, and still find it pretty useless, good just for a game with relatives the afternoon after xmas lunch.
sure it was good at its times, but now it's a rotting dinosaur, I'm unable to understand all the enthusiasm that peple show for this game.

[kanegrundar]

never liked this game. I own its last edition, played previous ones, and still find it pretty useless, good just for a game with relatives the afternoon after xmas lunch.
sure it was good at its times, but now it's a rotting dinosaur, I'm unable to understand all the enthusiasm that peple show for this game.

Nostalgia is a powerful drug.

[dra(gon)]

it is a cool game i like it the i has some fantasy flair.

you must only spinn a story about the monsters on the field. sure the game play ist not like has but if you pay with 8 ppl or more you have a good fantasy monopoly. and some thing like a personal hero.


not like heroquest, warhamer quest or heroquest advance, or like real p&p. the simpel battel system.

i hope the 4th will be the best have many 3 figures .

[mrbistro]

I enjoyed Talisman. Lots to explore and more strategy then many people realized.

LOL. GB I had forgotten all about the Imperial Noble has ability to slowly whittle away an opponent's ankles. Thank you.

[Malechi]

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Now that I took that statement out of context, could that also not describe a battle between two low Attack/high Defense HeroScape combatants?

Anyway, one of the main reasons that Talisman has had the longevity it does is the fact that it was so easily expanded upon by fans (sound familiar?). Recently Jon New, Talisman enthusiast extraordinaire, held a four part card creation contest utilizing art from the game Dragon Masters to which I outright won two heats and a close second in another.

For anyone owning Talisman and hasn't been there lately, check out Jon New's Talisman Island (http://www.talismanisland.com/). He has collected so much information into his site it is ridiculous! He has information on the history of the game including official never released items, all different versions worldwide* and more fan created expansion than you could ever play! It also includes the Talisman song Great Adventures In Wonderland by The Tables off their album Shady Whims and Obstacles.

*Jon busted my @ss for stating I had all things Talisman in my collection. I was referring to all US expansions; of course, Jon really has all expansions from every set worldwide!

[Malechi]

This just in from Boardgame News (http://www.boardgamenews.com/index.php/boardgamenews/comments/convention_report_new_york_toy_fair_2007_february_11_2007_day_one/), a report from Toy Fair:

Black Industries was showing off the 4th edition of Talisman, which BI rep Vince Rospond says is based on the 2nd edition of the game, to “get back to the roots of Talisman.” As such, the game includes stand-up cardboard figures instead of molded plastic ones. Rospond also said that while the company has the basis for the expansions in hand, Black Industries has no plans to release expansions for now. “We have to concentrate on getting this out first,” he says. “If this goes rah-rah, then we’ll look further.”



The new Talisman will be released on October 7th and retail for $50. The game will be available in the U.S. only through Alliance Game Distributors, which might be an issue for game stores that don’t currently order through Alliance.

Excellent news! They are indeed going with the 2nd Edition rather than the childish 3rd Edition!

http://www.boardgamenews.com/conventionreports/newyorktoyfair2007/day1/IMG_0616.jpg

[mrbistro]

Excellent news! They are indeed going with the 2nd Edition rather than the childish 3rd Edition!
I'm only familiar with 3rd edition. Would you mind touching on a few differences?

[Malechi]

Excellent news! They are indeed going with the 2nd Edition rather than the childish 3rd Edition!
I'm only familiar with 3rd edition. Would you mind touching on a few differences?

Generally, 2nd Edition had a more free spirit to the game whereas 3rd was caught up in correcting every little detail so no two things contradicted themselves (I will say that second edition expansions were put out to quickly without playtesting and not by the original designer so this did become a problem). 3rd edition art was the horrible 90's GW art all skulls and bones everywhere. 3rd edition was homoginized so much that game play seemed repetative. Think about what the rule lawyers here are trying to make HeroScape into and you see what 3rd edition turned out to be! GW designed the 3rd edition for the rule lawyers and everyone knows (except the rule lawyers) that no one ever wants to play with a rule lawyer! And, this killed Talisman outright!

[mrbistro]

Interesting. And the artwork you're referring to is the product of Wayne England, a fine decorator of margins in rulebooks, but someone whose work was a bit lacking when produced on a large scale. He sure does love his evil skulls and is continuing the tradition working for WOTC now.

[Malechi]

One and the same.

The art made it look like it was designed for 12 year old Death Worshippers ...

[Carnival Man]

I still have my original Talisman boxed up somewhere on top of my AD&D & Champions stuff...I think it's under the MTG card collection...LOL

I should dig those Talisman boxes out & dust them off! :grandfather:

[Uprising]

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Now that I took that statement out of context, could that also not describe a battle between two low Attack/high Defense HeroScape combatants?

Anyway, one of the main reasons that Talisman has had the longevity it does is the fact that it was so easily expanded upon by fans (sound familiar?). Recently Jon New, Talisman enthusiast extraordinaire, held a four part card creation contest utilizing art from the game Dragon Masters to which I outright won two heats and a close second in another.

For anyone owning Talisman and hasn't been there lately, check out Jon New's Talisman Island (http://www.talismanisland.com/). He has collected so much information into his site it is ridiculous! He has information on the history of the game including official never released items, all different versions worldwide* and more fan created expansion than you could ever play! It also includes the Talisman song Great Adventures In Wonderland by The Tables off their album Shady Whims and Obstacles.

*Jon busted my @ss for stating I had all things Talisman in my collection. I was referring to all US expansions; of course, Jon really has all expansions from every set worldwide!Talisman Island is a great place to visit. I'll just reinforce Malechi's statement that the site has tons of Talisman info.

[Malechi]

I still have my original Talisman boxed up somewhere on top of my AD&D & Champions stuff...I think it's under the MTG card collection...LOL

I should dig those Talisman boxes out & dust them off! :grandfather:

I just noticed your location SF Bay Area ... If you are planning a game of Talisman let me know - I have everything* Second Edition!

* Of course, if some people (mainly Jon New of Talisman Island) were on this website they would take issue with that statement as I only have the English language versions! (I know he would as he has done it before)

[kanegrundar]

No figures and for $50...That's pretty pricey considering that all you're getting is a board, a few cardboard stand-ups, and something around 130 cards. Yeah, it's a GW game, so I should expect to pay more...I don't know. I've already got a copy of the game, so I'm really going to have to check it out once it's released to see if it's going to be worth it for me to pick up or just wait until the inevitable expansions come out. After all, I doubt that there will be too many changes to base game to make the expansions unplayable with my old set.

Thanks for the release info!

[Grungebob]

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Now that I took that statement out of context, could that also not describe a battle between two low Attack/high Defense HeroScape combatants?
No the point is that the mechanic was broken so that it caused this situation each and every time the player took a turn. You could hit but rarely wound and when you didn't wound you got to roll again until you either missed (not likely) or wounded your oponent (also not likely).

[Malechi]

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Now that I took that statement out of context, could that also not describe a battle between two low Attack/high Defense HeroScape combatants?
No the point is that the mechanic was broken so that it caused this situation each and every time the player took a turn. You could hit but rarely wound and when you didn't wound you got to roll again until you either missed (not likely) or wounded your oponent (also not likely).

G-Bob, reread the bolded text above. I do not have nor ever played the Impirial Noble from WHQ, I only have the main game (plus an extra set of monsters) and the 3 Treasure decks. I never got around to the Hero Boxes as I got in late and they are priced much like the Barbarian and the Elf Quests from HeroQuest. So, the only way I could read that statement was out of context.

[mrbistro]

Yes, I remember the Imperial Noble player would always be desperate to upgrade his gear as soon as possible. He had the sweet gun he could use a few times each battle, but oh that rapier. That mechanic was a perfect example of why rules should be fun and not be forced into matching reality.

[dra(gon)]

this is the 4th edition i find it ugly. the 3rd board looks more color full. i wish the art for the 4th would be better. an advance 2nd edition . hello cgi pics.

why no plastik figures? , sure the second hat more than 400 charakters but the 3rd edition had not less figures. so we must buy the wd to become new characters.

i hope the cards art will better when the 3rd cards.

in other way if hs grows on we can use hs figures for talisman :)

[dra(gon)]

the game trailer is now online for the board game.
http://www.blackindustries.com/download/popupswf-tal.htm?/flash/tal-trail.swf
the board looks verry diffrent from the cool 3rd edition board. i hope the cards will look awsome , some trailer pics looks solid but not wow.

the charakters seems out paper :cry: and big,.

i hope the expansions will came fast after the basis game.

[markwars]

There is no question about it. I will be buying this game. DFlynSqrl and I played many a game of Talisman back in the mid 80's. I loved it.

[Malechi]

the board looks verry diffrent from the cool 3rd edition board...the characters seems out paper and big.
The new version is based on the much more popular 2nd edition, not the third edition. The Character Pieces are indeed like the 2nd edition paper stand ups as to keep the production costs down.

i hope the expansions will came fast after the basis game.
This has yet to be confirmed at all and is one of the largest contention points. It needs to sell well, to get expansions; yet most fans do not want invest in a new version unless the expansions are confirmed. A catch-22 situation!

[DarkSpade]

Warhammer Quest game (now there is one that should get the reprint)

Games-Workshop used to have a puplication called The Journal. In it, you could find all kind of player submited house rules and articals for all GW games. Even the ones GW no longer produced. Back in the early 00s, they split The Jorunal into several different magazines. One for each 'off' game they had. (40k and fantasy stuff just got moved to White Dwarf). WHQ had already had 3 of it's own books at this time.

Shortly after they split The Journal up, the big shots at GW told the Journal guys that they couldn't print a magazine for any game that wasn't still in production. For Necromunda, Mordiem, Inquister, and Battlefleet Gothic this was easy. They just reprinted the rule books on their own. They were able to come out with a new bloodbowl game too because it was cheap and easy to make.

Finally one day, the guys at the journal apologized(in white dwarf I think) to all the WHQ players. They could no longer support it. Try as they might, they couldn't find away to rerelese WHQ for under $100, so the company wouldn't produce it. :(

When the game came out, it was an incredible deal for what all game in it. It's a deal they don't know how to duplicate.

[dra(gon)]

Malechi , that is right.

imean every talisman fan knows that city anco is the must have to get the perfeckt game. because the new adventure , and iten cards who are in this expansions.

i rember the 3rd edition, the first cry of the fans only 12 charakters and the best are missig. it took my broter 10 years to get all expansions from the 3rd edition. befor 2002 (our inet) we have never heard about that 3 expansions were out. the german expansion was canneled. ready but never reach the produktion.

[yagyuninja]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.Some of it is but Heroquest was more of a toolbox game and I know I m,ade tons of quests for it back in the day. Repetitive gameplay is a trademark of dungeon crawls. I remember playing the awesome Warhammer Quest game (now there is one that should get the reprint) Anyway there was this character called the Impirial Noble. He was supposed to be this dandy with a rapier sword. So the character was a master swordsman and could easily hit any creature no problem, but his whimpy rapier had a hard time actually causing a wound. The bad part was that his main ability allowed him to attack again if he hit but failed to wound. So when we played and somebody had the Noble we would sit there while they spent 10 minutes attacking. We would chant as the player kept rolling and it sounded like this:

Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! No Wound!! Attack again!!Hit!! YES!!! FINALLY A WOUND!!!

Heheheh...I remember this. I think someone only used the Imperial Noble once, though. I usually played a chaos warrior (my friend had this crazy orange book all about chaos warriors, so I had HUGE charts to roll on for my mutations) or the dwarven dragon slayer (is that what it was?). I tried a Skaven Rat Lord once...that was interesting.

I miss Warhammer Quest. A lot.

[kanegrundar]

...or the dwarven dragon slayer (is that what it was?).

Close, the base class was the Trollslayer, but as you worked up the levels one of the titles was Dragonslayer. Fun class. I loved playing a suicidal dwarf that would throw himself at the biggest and toughest monsters and then roleplay getting ticked as yet another monster wasn't man enough to give me the honorable death that I desperately wanted!!! :D Good times...

[RichardD]

For anyone owning Talisman and hasn't been there lately, check out Jon New's Talisman Island (http://www.talismanisland.com/). He has collected so much information into his site it is ridiculous!

*Jon busted my @ss for stating I had all things Talisman in my collection. I was referring to all US expansions; of course, Jon really has all expansions from every set worldwide!

Yeah, but do you know who he bought a complete set of 3rd Edition (including the three expansions) from?

Me.

Small world, isn't it?

Though I could weep when I think of how little it cost him, and how much Talisman was selling for last year.

I'd bought the set cheap at a remaindered book shop - GW must have offloaded Talisman there when it didn't sell so well in the GW shops. i think I paid £10 for the base game and £5 for each expansion (about $50 in total). Never played it, so sold it on.

To John, as it happens. I know it was him, because we're both running games at the UK Games Expo - Talisman for him, Heroscape for me - and he messaged me on the organizers forum to say "are you the Richard that I bought a set of Talisman off?" and it turned out that I was.

Of course, another big difference between us is that he's getting some official support from the publisher for his demoing of Talisman at the Expo. Whereas I'm not getting anything, not even an email from marketting in reply to mine. Well, actually I am getting one thing; bitter and jaded. Ho hum.

[dra(gon)]

here are a lots of pic from the 4th edition.

http://www.talismanisland.com/gallery_expo.htm

[Uprising]

Cool,
Thanks for posting that dra(gon).

[RichardD]

I saw John at the Expo. Talisman 4th ed looked pretty much like a finished, production copy. New artwork from what I could tell (I only glanced at it TBH - I was too busy demoing Heroscape!)

[markwars]

Man I was really hoping that this would be out in time for Gen Con. :( It sure looks good though. :)

[Elstree]

shallow repetitive gameplay.

I hate to say it, since I know this statement will elicit some negative reaction, but...

that's why I don't care much for Heroquest.

I know exactly what you mean. Bunjee and I picked up a copy of Heroquest at a thrift store a couple months ago. We were excited when we first got it and ended up playing the first four quests in a week. After that our interest fizzled, and we haven't touched it since.

Having little experience with RPG's Bunjee seemed to like it ok, but I grew up playing D&D and found it sorely lacking. There's no real roleplaying involved, and even the combat is too simple to make it an interesting tactical miniatures game.

By the third game we had added a few combat rules (flanking, engagement) to make it more interesting, decided to let the monsters defend on a white shield rather than a black shield to give them a little more staying power, and allowed the Zarquon player play the monsters intelligently (i.e. lay ambushes, etc.) This seemed to help, but I was still dissatisfied.

We've played Descent with some friends of ours recently, and I found it contains a lot of the detail I found lacking in Heroquest. Unfortunately it feels more like a boardgame version of a video game than a boardgame version of a dungeon-crawl RPG. (And the magic system sucks, even compared to HQ.) My quest for the perfect dungeon-crawl boardgame continues, but maybe I just need to give up and go back to playing D&D.

Anyway, Talisman doesn't look much better. I got to check out a buddy's old copy (3rd edition?) and it looked pretty much like a roll-and-move boardgame with a fantasy theme. Not very exciting...

[ej]

The board in those pictures looks... boring? Uninspired, maybe? I dunno, it just doesn't look all that good. The 2nd Edition board has more character, I think. This one looks too uniform.

[Uprising]

Nice little review http://www.talismanisland.com/review_4th.htm

I really like some of the changes. We sometimes used to house rule gaining craft for killing craft enemies. Now it's official. Limit on the number of spells a person may cast each turn is also good.

[chris2848]

i just got the new 4th edition talisman in the mail from thought hammer...very impressed with the new packaging and board. but interestingly...there was a flyer in the box stating "talisman available on xbox 360 arcade as a download :shock: .....i looked but couldnt find anything on live. does anyone else know anything about this? would love to be able to play on arcade!!!

[Uprising]

It's supposed to come out for the PC as well. Let me see if I can dig up a release date....

EDIT: Found this, http://www.capcom.com/digital/talisman/index.html
I think I read that it is being released this winter :)

[chris2848]

very cool, thanx uprising.

[chris2848]

found this on 1up.com

....Talisman, a licensed Games Workshop board game in the vein of Catan and Carcassonne, will see release in April across both console platforms, as well as the PC.

:(...still a ways off!

[bad_calvin]

It's supposed to come out for the PC as well. Let me see if I can dig up a release date....

EDIT: Found this, http://www.capcom.com/digital/talisman/index.html
I think I read that it is being released this winter :)


oooh ps3 as well. When is it coming?

[ej]

found this on 1up.com

....Talisman, a licensed Games Workshop board game in the vein of Catan and Carcassonne...


:roll: Yeah, it's sometimes hard to remember when I'm trading wood for sheep, or scoring my farm, that I'm not actually trying to get the Crown of Command.

[Elstree]

Bunjee and I picked up a copy a few weeks ago and still haven't managed to play yet!

[RichardD]

Talisman for XBLA? Good - there's 4-800 points I won't need to spend. Pureto Rico or Alhambra, please; not some tired old rubbish like Talisman (sorry, but there you have it - it's an old, outmoded sort of game with nothing to it beyond the nostalgia factor).

[Uprising]

..not some tired old rubbish like Talisman (sorry, but there you have it - it's an old, outmoded sort of game with nothing to it beyond the nostalgia factor).So.....did you order it yet? :P

[RichardD]

Nope - still got my copy of Second Ed, complete with most of the expansions. And I've not played it in 20 years, and have no desire to play it. I should have ebayed it three or four years ago, TBH.

[dra(gon)]

:x i was on sunday in essen and want to get a 4th talisman in german.
well in the talisman corner where nothning to sell only a few shops sell it on the flyer but it seems they were all gone 35-40 €. i found an english version 60 € :shock: i didnot buy it.
the game corner had only the english version of the game for test play six or so.
then my only reason to get there the promo card. :!:
nevermind of maketing i know give every pepole that card and they will buy talisamn. but the speaker said they got only 20 cards and they were gone on the first day.

[RichardD]

This year I couldn't go to Essen :( The first time in ten years that I've missed it.

[dra(gon)]

full loud and the bigest game was eye of jugment , follow by pokemone, yougi oh! and wiz(ard)cost ;), manny larp shops. it was my first visit.
11 euro cost 4 euro parking.
(ok we found a group rabat 9,50)
full loud and strange hall sytem i the first shop that have good stuff i search at end because i want not cary somany took me good an half hour.

the best trade had my brother his doome dice symbols were disapear so he go to ffg and ask, they want 5 euro for the diece :shock: he got afer some free and give his nane and adress for wht the problem was, and mabe he got an other set..
new games not manny other that seems new look like a big discount.

[Malechi]

Nope - still got my copy of Second Ed, complete with most of the expansions. And I've not played it in 20 years, and have no desire to play it. I should have ebayed it three or four years ago, TBH.

I'll take your Talisman: Dragons expansion off your hands!
:wink:

I own all except that one, but have a duplicate version that is actually better than the original as I went through and corrected the wording to Talisman Standard on the cards (something a good editor should have done before sending to the printers)! Putting all of my homebrew Talisman cards in Talisman Standard is what probably allowed me to win 3 of 4 Talisman card design contest heats in the recent Dragon Masters Competition at Talisman Island (http://www.talismanisland.com/competition.htm) with Wood Ogre, Wood Elf and Dry Season (you might note that my entries were not only worded correctly, but used the correct fonts and formatting which the TCC cannot do).
:twisted:

[dra(gon)]

i love the talisman the last game that my brother bougt on ebay was dungeonquest for onls 90€ :lol:
the best the game was note with the basic game and catacombs and :!: 10 metal heroes :lol: :lol: as the pack comes it was a big box and the 10 heroes were the heroes expansion.

that was luck.

[RichardD]

Nope - still got my copy of Second Ed, complete with most of the expansions.
I'll take your Talisman: Dragons expansion off your hands!


No you won't. Se the word "most" that I used when talking about the expansions I have? That means there are gaps. No Dragons (and I'm not sure whether I ever bought the City either). Timescape was enough to convince me that GW had been to the well to drink once too often.

[Uprising]

Nope - still got my copy of Second Ed, complete with most of the expansions.
I'll take your Talisman: Dragons expansion off your hands!


No you won't. Se the word "most" that I used when talking about the expansions I have? That means there are gaps. No Dragons (and I'm not sure whether I ever bought the City either). Timescape was enough to convince me that GW had been to the well to drink once too often.Time Scape is the only 2nd Edition I don't have. Never really appealed to me, although if I played it I might change my mind.

If they make expansions for 4th edition, I wouldn't mind some completely new characters or areas to explore. The only section we really use is the Dungeon. I've made it to the center more times with the dungeon than I have going up through the regions. We have the City but feel it adds to much extra time and hassle to the game.

[dra(gon)]

mmh but i think the 3rd edition expansions were nice , add on the game board.+ the 3d drogon tower..

the 4th edition board is so big that if city and cave expansions came need more room.

if you look the game trailer you can see the fantasy 3 level world , that is cool, if you could set the expansions on a desk in the middel of the board.

[ej]

i love the talisman the last game that my brother bougt on ebay was dungeonquest for onls 90€ :lol:
the best the game was note with the basic game and catacombs and :!: 10 metal heroes :lol: :lol: as the pack comes it was a big box and the 10 heroes were the heroes expansion.

that was luck.

A simliar thing happened to me. I bought a Dungeonquest game off eBay. It came with all the expansions, even those from magazines, but this fact wasn't mentioned on the listing. I bought it for around $30 when, if listed correctly, it would've gone for a lot more. No figures, though. Anybody know where I could get a set of those?

I still need to play it, 3 years later. :(

[dra(gon)]

thats because the heroes expansion seem the holy grail. i saw heroes expansion for more than 150$ maybe more. like the dragon towe expansion and the heroquest expansions.

i buyes the dragon for 35$ the expansion witout my brother pay holy crasy 240$ :shock:

[ej]

I need to break that game out again and look at the characters. I should be able to find reasonably close replacements. Anyone have some links to good suggestions?

Or I could grab a Sorry pawn...

[dra(gon)]

today was i on essen a holly sh..t they got the the talisam 4th re edition there for 40 euro + 2 promo cards or bonus card.
i have make same pictures on the drive back home because my brother take the my copie for finding out the differents between the two version.
i add in the next hour some pics an the full bonus cards.


the trainer and the doppelgänger are the card names.


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2828/promocards2uu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
translate from Bludgeon
I will bite but it will prolly be with errors:

Doppelganger
Enemy - Monster
Strength: ?
The Doppelganger has the same total Strength as its opponent, including all bonuses. If you defeat it you gain 1 point of Strength but this card doesn't count as Trophy.
The Doppelganger remains on this field/space, until it is defeated.


Coach
Stranger
Coach will remain on this field/space for the rest of the game. He gladly teaches you for a price. For three gold bags/coins you pay, lose one round and gain one point of either Strength or Craft.


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1240/sdc10018gz6.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc10018gz6.jpg)http://img402.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
shori from heroscape, fortuneteller, troll, terminator from wh 40k


then the charakter and card differenses
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6360/sdc10002cc3.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc10002cc3.jpg)http://img204.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

the charakteres are
elf
guhl
priest
troll
warrior
assasian
monk
4 * toads
magican
dwarf
bard
druid
thief
furtune tellerin
sorcheress

so here can you see the charakters and minis. http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=flg8k7&s=4
better quality now.

[LilNewbie]

Thanks for posting the information on the new Talisman, dra(gon)!! I'm looking forward to this version since it includes plastic figures. I appears that the life,strength and craft tokens are cardboard though. Did you happen to notice if they were? If so, the plastic ones from the previous release will work great.

Newb.

[dra(gon)]

it are the same like the 3rd edition , i was suprised too. the "hats" are great.

[kboleen]

i love the talisman the last game that my brother bougt on ebay was dungeonquest for onls 90€ :lol:
the best the game was note with the basic game and catacombs and :!: 10 metal heroes :lol: :lol: as the pack comes it was a big box and the 10 heroes were the heroes expansion.

that was luck.

A simliar thing happened to me. I bought a Dungeonquest game off eBay. It came with all the expansions, even those from magazines, but this fact wasn't mentioned on the listing. I bought it for around $30 when, if listed correctly, it would've gone for a lot more. No figures, though. Anybody know where I could get a set of those?

I still need to play it, 3 years later. :(

Boardgamegeek's entry for Dungeonquest includes some accessories by fans that include paper figures. I too got a copy of Dungeonquest without figures and I play the game just fine with the paper heroes. The accessories also include a good set of house rules for more balanced play. Well, not really more balanced, just more survivable as the original rules only allowed for a 15% chance of finishing the game let alone winning it.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/472

[kboleen]

I have Talisman 4th Edition by Black. Now I'm torn as to whether or not to buy the new 4th Edition Revised entire set, or the Upgrade pack.

[Malechi]

I have Talisman 4th Edition by Black. Now I'm torn as to whether or not to buy the new 4th Edition Revised entire set, or the Upgrade pack.
I am having the same quandary, as I own all of the US released versions of Talisman so far (I had to state 'US released' as Jon from Talisman Island (http://www.talismanisland.com/) jumped me when I stated I had "all" versions considering he has all international and promo releases most of us have never even heard of ;) ). I am thinking, due to the close release of 4th edition and 4th edition revised, I may just stick to the Upgrade Pack, at least for now ...

[dra(gon)]

the upgrade pack is real the best thing for the bi version.
the game is the same. you got many things new
card
charakter sheats
figures
fate token
und the talisman 3rd "hat" marker(?)
and the rule book.

but in all the the upgrade pack is
a talisman without gameboard, dice and gold.
the real new talisman will start with the reaper expansion(but i hope for a fast date for the regular expansions city and ect.)

so far i have seen english vs german board the fields are the same.
but there was also rumor about stickers(maybe the changed some text on the map)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3271/questcard2001yx4.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=questcard2001yx4.jpg)http://img146.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1331/quest001km4.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quest001km4.jpg)http://img170.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)


and here the charakters from ffg member set in english


Wizard

Strength:2 Craft:5 Fate:3 Lives:4
Alignment: Evil Start: Graveyard/Cemetery

You begin the game with 2 spells
You always have at least one spell
You may choose to attack with Psychic Combat when attacking
but not attacked by

Assassin

Strength:3 Craft:3 Fate:3 Lives:4
Alignment: Evil Start: City

If you attack another player or creature then you may assassinate.
You may not do this if you are attacked.
The opponent may not roll to add to their Strength.
If you win you must take a life, you cannot take an object or gold.

You may not assassinate on the crown of command.

Ghoul

Stength:2 Craft:4 Fate:4 Lives:4
Alignment: Evil Start: Graveyard/Cemetery

You may choose to attack with Psychic Combat when attacking
but not attacked by

If you defeat another player in Psychic Combat and take a life, you may add it to your own lives.

If you defeat an enemy in combat, you may raise them from the dead and keep them as a follower instead of getting Experience/Trophy points.
You may add the strength of one raised follower in combat, afterwards you must discard the follower.
You can only use one raised follower per combat.


Elf

Stength:3 Craft:4 Fate:3 Lives:4
Alignment: Good Start: Forest

You do not need to roll in the Forest but if you do you must accept the result.

You may evade creatures and other players in the Woods.

When you are in the Woods, you may telport to any other Woods space in the same region as your next turn.

Thief

Strength:3 Craft:3 Fate:2 Lives:4
Alignment: Neutral Start: City

If you land on the same space as another player, you may steal a gold or an object from them

If you encounter the Market, Market Day or the Village, you may take one object.

Prophetess

Strength:2 Craft:4 Fate:2 Lives:4
Alignment: Good Start: Chapel

You begin the game with 1 spell
You always have at least one spell
When drawing an Adventure Card you can choose to draw again.
However, you must accept the second card.
You may look at the spells of other players at any time.

Monk

Strength:2 Craft:3 Fate:4 Lives:4
Alignment: Good Start: Village

Your faith allows you to add your Craft to your Strength in combat.
When praying you may add 1 to the result.
You may not use any weapons or armour in combat

Dwarf

Strength:3 Craft:3 Fate:5 Lives:5
Alignment: Neutral Start: Crags

You need not roll in the Crags but if you do you must accept the result.
You may evade creatures and players in the hills.
When rolling in the Cave, you may add 1 to the result.
Only roll one dice when trying to open the Portal of Power by Craft.
In the mines, you only use 2 dice
You are not effected by the maze.

Warrior

Strength:4 Craft:2 Fate:1 Lives:5
Alignment: Neutral Start: Tavern

You may roll two dice in combat and choose the higher result
You may use two weapons at the same time

Minstrel

Strength:2 Craft:4 Fate:5 Lives:4
Alignment: Good Start: Tavern

Animals and Dragons will not attack you but you may choose to attack them.
If you do not attack an animal, you may try to Charm it.
Roll one die and if it is higher than their strength, they will become your follower and add their strength to yours in combat.
You may only use one charmed animal per combat
You may take the Maiden or Princess from another player in you land on the same space.
DRUID
Strength 2, Craft 4, Fate 4, Lifes 4
Start: Forest, Alignment: Neutral
Special Abilities:
- You start the game with 1 spell.
- You can change alignment at any time but you can have only 1 alignment at once.
- Whenever you end your move in Forest, you gain spells up to the limit allowed by your Craft.


TROLL
Strength 6, Craft 1, Fate 1, Lives 6
Start: Crags, Alignment: Neutral
Special Abilities:
- You don't have to roll on crags. If you decide to, you have to respect the result of the roll.
- If you roll 6 while moving, you may decided not to move but instead regain 1 Life. If you do, your turn ends.
here are pics http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/list/16260.page



here the map http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc100398174252hw5.flv no changes that pop in the eye

[kboleen]

Does anyone know the rules for FATE yet?

[Darth Vader]

I know this is like a four year old thread, but does anybody still play Talisman? As far as I know, they are still releasing expansions for the Revised 4th edition. My brother and I have been playing Talisman lately, and it's a lot of fun in our opinion.

I know a lot of people feel that luck is too big a factor in the game, but if you don't play it hyper-competitively, then it is a ton of fun.

[Bonesaw]

Always loved Talisman although I think the newest version with all the expansions have made the game too disjointed. Looking forward to Relic- the Warhammer 40k version of Talisman.