allskulls' custom concepts

[allskulls]

Here I will throw concepts for custom units up to be critiqued and developed by all. I have customs whose abilities derived from the actual modded figure but I thought it would be good to start from the drawing board. Starting with an idea and a visual sketch to shape the card and actual figure around.

First up is Thar (very rough sketch)...

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10026/normal_Thar.jpg
The concept here is obvious. I would like a back story to go with him. Something to explain his using a rifle. I noted that he was trained by Drake but I am open to any other ideas.

[SlikkRikk]

Damn dude, fricking AWESOME post. And great art - you have a talent I envy.

I'd have to say, if this game was missing anything I get pumped about it would be something like Krug but even bigger. A cave troll of some sorts, perhaps?

[Ch1can0]

First up is Thar (very rough sketch)...
very rough sketch ?!? :roll: :lol: man, this is really cool !!

If i make a rough sketch, it would rather look like this (-:

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So it´s a modded HS figure? A viking perhaps, or from another game? Would like to see a photo of the figure.

The concept here is obvious. I would like a back story to go with him. Something to explain his using a rifle. I noted that he was trained by Drake but I am open to any other ideas.
Yes, that would be nice, on the back of the card you could write the back story. His rifle... Drake Story is good, another version could be, that he gained the rifle from a battle against the Elite Airborne...

Chicano.

[allskulls]

Thanks for the art props...I'm just waiting to hear from gun enthusiasts to tell me my rifle is wrong :wink: .

So it´s a modded HS figure? A viking perhaps, or from another game? Would like to see a photo of the figure.
No figure yet. The idea here is to start with the character concept, then make the figure based on the completed version of the character. This way our ideas aren't limited by the figures. This is how I assume Hasbro did it.

...another version could be, that he gained the rifle from a battle against the Elite Airborne...
I kinda wanted him to be with Jandar like the other vikings and the AE. The story in my head is that he becomes best buddies with an AE and the AE is killed in battle. Thar then takes up his buddy's weapon and swears vengeance...hence the special "Strike of Vengeance".

But, like I said, I am open and would like to hear others' take on the story. Would be great if some one can do a full Hasbro style bio. Keep in mind, this is the conceptual stage so things will change.

[Gambit]

"Thar Viking With A Gun", Very catchy name, dont change it.

[Miniature Geek]

Sweet artwork, I like the originality of the idea, can't wait to see what you come up with figure wise.

[allskulls]

Sweet artwork, I like the originality of the idea, can't wait to see what you come up with figure wise.
Actually, Cupidsart asked if he could use it. I told him sure but we should flesh it out here but I am now thinking we probably do need to see a figure now. So go for it, Cupidsart and anyone else. I will mod one myself but it won't happen until next week some time...so if anyone beats me to the punch please post here with mod instructions. I'll probably have more concept art up before I can get to the modding.

[CupidsArt]

Sweet artwork, I like the originality of the idea, can't wait to see what you come up with figure wise.
Actually, Cupidsart asked if he could use it. I told him sure but we should flesh it out here but I am now thinking we probably do need to see a figure now. So go for it, Cupidsart and anyone else. I will mod one myself but it won't happen until next week some time...so if anyone beats me to the punch please post here with mod instructions. I'll probably have more concept art up before I can get to the modding.


REALLY?!?!?!!?! SWEET, I have some open time this weekend after I get 3 other projects done, :D

I'll post it here and in my Customs thread (coming this weekend) with props to you for the idea. Now, I have to decide what Vikings I want to rip appart, :twisted:

[allskulls]

Looking forward to it, CA.

Here is a not so original concept...
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10026/Thor.jpg

I know the name is close to Thar, but I originally did not want to do Thor because of Marvel's character, but thought it would be cool to make a down to earth version.

Just noticed in the preview that his stats are hard to read so...

THOR
Viking Warlord

Life = 6
Move = 5
Range = 1
Attack = 4
Defense = 3

Unfettered Might
When Thor does not move, roll an additional 2 attack dice.

Viking Warlord Ispiration (reverse bonding)
After taking a turn with Thor, take a turn with any Viking squad you control, adding 1 to their movement.

Odin's Wrath
If Thor is killed, roll the 20-sided die. On the result of 1-4, nothing happens. On the result of 5-11, add 1 wound to the unit that killed Thor. On the result of 12-18, add 2 wounds to the unit that killed Thor. On the result of 19-20, destroy the unit that killed Thor.

Admins - Sorry, just realized this thread should probably be in Custom Units.

[shakey_snake]

cool!

[Runehardt]

Nice artwork man! I'm sure you can find some Reaper minis to modify for these guys. I know I have a little metal Thor hammer somewhere. Where's Loki? If you have Thor you have to have Loki battling for Utgar!

I love the little flower at Thor's feet!

[K/H_Addict]

for thar, i would make him with 5 move rather than 4, and give him a melee attack boost such as Agent Carrs. I do like the one you have for him, but that seems a bit awkward, and idk why. Also, what do you plan on hist point cost to be?

[netherspirit]

Admins - Sorry, just realized this thread should probably be in Custom Units.

Moving it there :)

Good work btw. I will post a critique in a little while.

[allskulls]

Nice artwork man! I'm sure you can find some Reaper minis to modify for these guys. I know I have a little metal Thor hammer somewhere. Where's Loki? If you have Thor you have to have Loki battling for Utgar!
Thanks! LOKI sounds like fun...how would we make him...would he be a wizard? Don't want to do the deity thing...just too much for Heroscape I think.

I love the little flower at Thor's feet!
Glad someone noticed. Thor does have a softer side. :D

for thar, i would make him with 5 move rather than 4, and give him a melee attack boost such as Agent Carrs. I do like the one you have for him, but that seems a bit awkward, and idk why. Also, what do you plan on hist point cost to be?
I did 4 move because of his berserker charge but 5 may work since he is a single hero. I was going to do the melee boost like Carr's but just wanted something different and more strategic. I based him on a Tarn Viking so 3 attack with the vengeance boost makes sense. Also a 3 defense instead of 4 because he has no shield (I guess this can rationalize him having a higher move too).

As far as points go, I was thinking around 110 but it's up for discussion.

Thanks, nether.

[hextr1p]

Thought I'd help out by making Thor's ability definitions consistent with those already established by official units. See below:

Unfettered Might
If Thor does not move this turn, add 2 dice to his attack.

Viking Warlord Ispiration (reverse bonding)
After taking a turn with Thor, you may then take a turn with any Human Warrior squad you control, adding an additional space to these figures' move. (Note: the Tarn Vikings are not 'Vikings' by Class. Only by name. Thus, I changed the definition to reflect this).

Odin's Wrath
If Thor is killed, roll the 20-sided die. On the result of 1-4, nothing happens. 5-11, add 1 wound to the unit that killed Thor. 12-18, add 2 wounds to the unit that killed Thor. 19-20, destroy the unit that killed Thor.

Also, how about this for traits:

SPECIES: Human
TYPE: Unique Hero
CLASS: Warlord
PERSONALITY: Wild...?
SIZE: Medium
HEIGHT: 5

[allskulls]

Thanks, hextr1p. Good catch on the class thing...maybe I should change the name to Warrior Inspiration. And should it be Jandar-only warriors so it won't be too overpowered? The traits you have are perfect!

[Runehardt]

Loki could use trickery as his special.

"Loki has no need of hammer nor spear nor any other tool while he has the more powerful, yet more ephemeral, gift of speech. When he occasionally has need of something more tangible, as he does when he borrows the feather-cloaks of Freyja and Frigg, he needs nothing more than persuasion to acquire them. Words, like Loki himself, can be wonderful allies or fearsome enemies, depending on the circumstances."

[ChaosChild]

May I suggest something slightly different for the wording of Odin's Wrath?
"Killed" should be "destroyed". "On the result of" should be "If you roll".

Odin's Wrath
If Thor is destroyed, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-4, nothing happens. If you roll a 5-11, the figure that destroyed Thor recieves 1 wound. If you roll a 12-18, the figure that destroyed Thor recieves 2 wounds. If you roll a 19 or higher, the figure that destroyed Thor is destroyed.

I too like to develop an idea without an existing figure in mind. However, I am rarely able to find a figure that fits my idea. :(

[bobofett]

I've always wanted to make a figure with a vengence like ability.( stole my idea :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ) just kidding.

[allskulls]

ChaosChild - Thanks for the fix and you should post your concepts...there is a lot of talent out here that can assist in the figure modding. That's why I'm doing this, so creative minds can come together.

Here is Loki...
http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10026/Loki.jpg
Might lose the staff and have him do some sort of finger motion.

Loki
Wizard

Life = 5 (maybe 4?)
Move = 5
Range = 1
Attack = 1
Defense = 3 (maybe 2?)

Persuasion
After moving, choose a figure within 6 spaces and LOS of Loki. Roll the 20-sided Die. If you roll 12 or higher, the chosen figure is considered to be in your army for duration of the round (marker maybe?). Give the persuaded figure an immediate turn.

Trickery
When Loki is attacked (before attack roll), roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 14 or higher, the attacker must, instead of attacking Loki, choose another figure to attack or not attack at all.

Confusion
Before moving, choose a figure within 8 spaces and LOS of Loki. Roll the 20-sided Die. If you roll 16 or higher, you may rearrange the ordermarkers of the confused figure's army.

These should probably not work on Soulborgs.

[hextr1p]

Good catch on the class thing...maybe I should change the name to Warrior Inspiration. And should it be Jandar-only warriors so it won't be too overpowered?

I found a problem with my definition for Viking Warlord Inspiration. The MacDirk Warriors are also Human Warriors, and they have bonding. So, if Thor were to bond with them, they would then be able to bond with Alastair... which is a little too much bonding for one turn. At this point, the safest bet would be to go with this:

Viking Warlord Ispiration (reverse bonding)
After taking a turn with Thor, you may then take a turn with a Tarn Vikings squad you control, adding an additional space to these figures' move.

Because the Tarn Vikings are the only viking squad currently available, this would work. Though if ever another viking squad is released... well, you just might have to tweak things then. Heh...

[allskulls]

Yeah, too much male bonding can be bad. :?

Maybe it can be worded as an army card with the word Viking in its name. This will leave room for Thor to even "inspire" future viking heroes...like Thar the Viking Warrior.

[hextr1p]

Maybe it can be worded as an army card with the word Viking in its name. This will leave room for Thor to even "inspire" future viking heroes...like Thar the Viking Warrior.

This is the way you had worded the definition orginally. However, there are no official units who are referred to in an ability definition by a trait in their name. They are referred to by the traits on the left side of the army card. Even Finn and Throgrim, both Viking Champions by name, are not placed in a viking class. So, you are left with the decision to either simplify the definition to a specific squad to comply with the official rules, or step outside the rules in order to allow for the ability to work with a broader range of squads.

[allskulls]

...step outside the rules in order to allow for the ability to work with a broader range of squads.
I think this is the way to go. I would like to stick to the rules as much as possible but I think Thor should be able to inspire any viking. So far there is no hero that can bond with a hero so it will add flavor. Besides, it is possible that Hasbro will begin making specials specifying words used in army card names.

[hextr1p]

Besides, it is possible that Hasbro will begin making specials specifying words used in army card names.
True. It would be interesting if certain heroes or squads were meant to work specifically with anothe hero or squad. So specific, in fact, that the special ability or attack definition referred to the hero or squad by name. While the power could be significantly strong, the point value of the unit wouldn't need to be increased due to the ability working only with one hero or squad in particular. Though depending on the strength of the ability, the ability working only with unique units would probably be best.

[ChaosChild]

Loki

I don't like wizard but, magician or soothsayer are good. (check http://thesaurus.reference.com/) I think a staff looks good but, he would be ok without it too.

I would go with 5 life maybe 6. 2 defense (like Morsbane).

Persuasion
If you are going to give the persuaded fig an immediate turn then you don't need it for the entire round. If you want to hurt your opponent more, you could remove all order markers from its card. If you do that, you might want to limit the persuasion to unigue figs or unique heroes.

Confusion
I suggest that you just swap an order marker on the target fig's card with any other order marker. That way you are not putting all the order markers on destroyed figs It could end up that you are swapping with a destroyed fig but it is just one turn.

I think he could talk a computer into to going against its programming. :shrug: :)

It you have any ?s about my reasoning, just ask.

[allskulls]

I don't like wizard but, magician or soothsayer are good. (check http://thesaurus.reference.com/) I think a staff looks good but, he would be ok without it too.
Whatever is best for class is fine with me. Not a lot of choices in the current classes for Loki. The staff was drawn in before I read Runehardt's post about Loki using his words. Just don't know if he needs a staff. :shrug: ?

I would go with 5 life maybe 6. 2 defense (like Morsbane).
Sounds about right.

Persuasion
If you are going to give the persuaded fig an immediate turn then you don't need it for the entire round. If you want to hurt your opponent more, you could remove all order markers from its card. If you do that, you might want to limit the persuasion to unigue figs or unique heroes.
Yeah I thought about limiting it to Unique figs but I figured he should have more powere over the weaker figs (weaker minded). I do see how it can be too much with removing a whole squad from an opponent's army for an entire round so maybe just the immediate turn.

Confusion
I suggest that you just swap an order marker on the target fig's card with any other order marker. That way you are not putting all the order markers on destroyed figs It could end up that you are swapping with a destroyed fig but it is just one turn.
How about making it so you can't place swapped order markers on destroyed unit's army cards.

I think he could talk a computer into to going against its programming. :shrug: :)
Then we would have to make his class "Hacker". :D

[ChaosChild]

Confusion
I suggest that you just swap an order marker on the target fig's card with any other order marker. That way you are not putting all the order markers on destroyed figs It could end up that you are swapping with a destroyed fig but it is just one turn.
How about making it so you can't place swapped order markers on destroyed unit's army cards.

If you put in the restriction of not being able to put markers on a card with all figs destroyed, you can stick with your idea of rearranging all the order markers.

With my idea you would only be swapping one for one. Which could allow you to put an order marker on a card that got all figs destroyed previously in the round.

I think I like your idea better. As long as you don't put markers on cards with all figs destroyed.

[Runehardt]

I was looking at some of my re-paints last night and realized that my Valguard looks a little like your Loki description. Unfortunately he has two weapons and his one horn is in the middle of his head...
It might be a good idea to use Valguard and chop off two and 1/2 horns. His right hand could be holding a small staff or maybe an orb. Although that might look too much like a bowling ball.

Hey, we should make a squad of Mystery Men! The Bowler, The Shoveler...

http://upload4.postimage.org/314278/Valguardre_paint_sm_.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/314278/photo_hosting.html)

[ultradoug]

Here I will throw concepts for custom units up to be critiqued and developed by all. I have customs whose abilities derived from the actual modded figure but I thought it would be good to start from the drawing board. Starting with an idea and a visual sketch to shape the card and actual figure around.

First up is Thar (very rough sketch)...

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10026/normal_Thar.jpg
The concept here is obvious. I would like a back story to go with him. Something to explain his using a rifle. I noted that he was trained by Drake but I am open to any other ideas.

I like the look of this guy, heres my try at coloring him in hope you like it!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/coolmondoug/Thar2.jpg

[Gambit]

whoa, thats pretty good looking

[CupidsArt]

Hey I did some work on your Thar, ;)

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=53568#60112

[Rhydderch]

You may want to change the name of Viking Warlord Inspiration since the new Spartacus card has the Gladiator Inspiration ability which works quite differently from your inspired idea.

Also have you seen Doc Savage's Bodvar the Bold? He pretty much has your reverse bonding only the squad takes its turn before Bodvar:

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10002/Bodvarv3rev.jpg

PS: Sorry for the pun =P

[allskulls]

Hey I did some work on your Thar, ;)

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=53568#60112
Good stuff...posted in your thread.

[allskulls]

You may want to change the name of Viking Warlord Inspiration since the new Spartacus card has the Gladiator Inspiration ability which works quite differently from your inspired idea.

Also have you seen Doc Savage's Bodvar the Bold? He pretty much has your reverse bonding only the squad takes its turn before Bodvar:

http://www.heroscapers.com/oldgallery/albums/userpics/10002/Bodvarv3rev.jpg

PS: Sorry for the pun =P
Yeah, the Gladiator ability...I'll figure something out. How about something like Viking Rally?

I think somebody reffered me to Bodvar after I posted Thar. I wanted a hero that charges into the battle with warriors following.

[Rhydderch]

A hero that charges into the battle with warriors following... hrm...

Maybe something like Heroic or Inspiring Charge, with a bio description like:

Thor's Heroic Charge inspires other warriors to follow him into the heat of the battle.