Ebay and Heroscape

[reapersaurus]

endpawn (as far as I know from reading public threads on HQ and ST about this) benefitted from other members on HQ saying that the Hasbro store was selling Tundra sets, and bought out as many as he could, with the express purpose of selling them for profit on EBay.

This has kind of been swept under the rug it seems, and not discussed much at all since it was mentioned offhand on HQ.

How do HS fans feel about another "member" selling out the Hasbro store and taking Tundras that would have gone to HQ members that were reading the Tundra sightings thread?

Has this community evolved to such a state where rampant greed and aggressive capitalism is OK even in members who benefit from the resources and information of this site?

What happened to the HS fan comraderie, where members would look out for each other? Is this what the HS community has turned into?

[K/H_Addict]

i think he should be banned. do you have proof that he did this heinous crime?


oh, and BTW, it is "camaraderie" i know cuz i just defined it about an hour ago for vocab in english.

[LilNewbie]

Do you have proof that he actually sold any on EBay at high prices?

We are treading on very thin ice here and I do think his comments about you in another thread were offsides BUT we should not go half-cocked and looking for a victim for a personal vendetta.

Newb.

[netherspirit]

I really think you should have some proof of this before jumping all over a member like this...

[ultradoug]

Well, I was reading a topic that was talking about how its "OK" for a busness to incress its price when an item is in high demand and/or that item is in short supply, this is because its all about money.

When Nerak was out and hot it was (Still is?) selling on ebay for a good price, this was a free item, Hasbro made nothing by giving it away, and someone else did.

Customs, you see them on ebay all the time, I recall a few members walking in getting ideas from the community then walking out to sell.

I also clearly rember plenty of "I'm quiting and selling all my stuff" topics.

The thing is, this is going to happen. There is not much that can be done, ban ebay? I dont buy there. So - thats done for me. I cant buy on ebay. I dont even buy online.

Now, as far as banning that member or whatever, thats up to the admins to deside, but there are other online places to go, plus that might just make them do it more for spite.

I dont agree with what he did, but I dont know what if anything can be done about it.

I really think you should have some proof of this before jumping all over a member like this...

Oh yeah, you cant mention members names under the new policys...
:roll:

[CornPuff]

Fom what I've seen, Endpawn is a real contributor on the site.
My theory has always been that if endpawn doesn't ebay them, someone else will. Its a problem with Hasbro's supply system and demand estimation. Endpawn shouldn't be punished for exploiting that.
If Endpawn is hung, then we shouldn't buy from housemouse either because 'Gasp', they markup their prices.
Anyway, the only illegitimate actions endpawn could make, IMHO, is IF he was hawking his Tundra here in the forums.

oh, and for proof, do an ebay search for 'heroscape' and start looking up seller account names. We haven't looked down on anyone for how they make cash yet, why start now?

About community? Ebay definitely increases HS's visibility. And Idunno, maybe Endpawn should pass out some free shipping codes here on scapers.com :-)

[netherspirit]

Oh yeah, you cant mention members names under the new policys...
:roll:

:roll:


On a side note, I just did a search of completed auctions on ebay for the Tundra, out of 24, 9 were sold by endpawn. All but one of the rest were sold by Sandra form HMG. Does that make her bad too? His sold for about the same price as hers...

I'm not defending him, it would have been cool for him to sell them to members...

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Whoah, How do members feel about targeting another Heroscapers.cpm member on a thread for flaming and ban nominations?
Reaper, this is a lot like the 'comic about reaper' thread IMax had on HSHQ, but Perhaps we can forgo names of the person?


Would Endpawn's devious ways have been a problem if the online store hadn't sold out? Did Endpawn know what he was doing with the intent to eat up Tudnra sets?

Are there guidelines here detailing what constitutes a Heroscapers actions with his/her wallet?

I think it sucks a whole heckuva lot of people here are wanting Tundras and there's a member sitting a on a fat stack, but we can't make Endpawn do anything with what he purchases.

I know other members here who have sold Heroscape products on eBay strictly for money needed rather than give it up to the community (and walk away with a nice chunk of change).

No one's above being the perfect role-model Herscapers member.

Did you PM Endpawn and ask him to reconsider his actions?

[reapersaurus]

See - this is interesting, because this was ALREADY mentioned on HQ, but apparently noone caught it.
I am not the first person to mention this - endpawn said himself he did it, unashamedly.

And yes, here is his sales of Hasbro Toy Shop's Tundra (http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&frpp=25&from=R10&satitle=&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sadis=200&fpos=95662&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&seller=1&sass=endpawn&so=Show+Items)that he acquired by reading information that HS members contributed.

And it is kind of hard to have a discussion about a HS member doing this, without naming endpawn, wouldn't you agree, Hex?

[Sydcomebak]

This session of Kangaroo Court is now in Session. The Honorable Judge Truth presiding.

[LilNewbie]

Thanks for posting the link to the sales, Reaper.

Newb.

[truth]

What endpawn did does suck for the community. I have the advantage of having met endpawn and knowing that he's not a bad guy. I think perhaps he just didn't consider what his actions would mean for the rest of the heroscapers community. I doubt he was ringing his hands and mubling "I'll get those heroscape fans I'LL GET THEM ALL!!" However now that the results of said action are apparent, maybe he'll consider only buying for himself and allowing other scape fans get their share of new releases at resonable prices. I can understand wanting to make money off of ebay demand... but not when the people sacraficed are your fellow scape mates.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Reaper, would we be discussing this topic if Tundra was readily available online or in stores?

There's a lot of frustration with folks' inability to get these terrain sets.
Your in prime-time right now - at the expense of a member's credibility.

He owes the community nothing!

[truth]

Reaper, would we be discussing this topic if Tundra was readily available online or in stores?

There's a lot of frustration with folks' inability to get these terrain sets.
Your in prime-time right now - at the expense of a member's credibility.

He owes the community nothing!

You're absolutely right HEH. He owes the community nothing. But neither do I, and neither do you. And yet we look out for the community. We can only hope that other will also, but we cannot force them into it.

Perhaps this would have been better handled via a PM, but it could also be a good learning experience for other members. That eating up inventory only hurts other fans. What you do with this knowledge is completely up to you.

[CornPuff]

I think what we might be forgetting is that anyone that buys tundra off ebay is a Scape Fan, whether they are part of the community or not. Nobody is a criminal. Endpawn probably didn't even buy that many tundra sets in the grand scheme of things. If endpawn didn't buy them, some dude in wyoming who has never heard of scapers.com would have.

I do agree that if endpawn was my best buddy, that I would expect that he'd cut me in on the deal. But he can't cut the 3000+ members of HQ and the rising number of HSers a deal. Its just not feasible from any perspective.

I guess for someone to be a hero around here, they should have bought out HasbroToyShop, and then sold them exclusively to the community for 19.95 and a self addressed stamped box.

[reapersaurus]

Unfortunately, a PM would not allow for a community discussion on how we view EBay sellers who take advantage of the community resources we provide for personal gain.

That is a clear-cut case of this, as was the guy that sold truth's Spiderman custom as his own.

We need to draw a line in the sand, as a community, and let people know how we feel about these kinds of activities. Being silent is the same as being accepting of it. This obviously is news to people, so the community should be informed that this happened.

How can we inform people, or discuss our feelings on it, if it is in PM and unknown to the majority?
This is not a witch-hunt - it is a state-of-the-HS-community discussion. I have been letting people know I was going to discuss this on here for many days now and making sure my ducks were in a row before "accusing" anyone. These are facts.
How you as a fellow HS fan feel about a member doing this is up to you.....

[ultradoug]

i guess he could have offered it to us first then?

[endpawn]

I bought several Heroes and Tundra sets. I kept some for myself. Every single HQ member who asked to buy a Heroes or Tundra set I sold it to them for cost (3 ice sets, 5 heroes). I didnt profit on them at all. Nobody wanted the leftovers so they got Ebayed. I hardly owe a booster to everyone in the community and I offered the lowest prices and best fastest shipping. I even offered up ice sets to multiple people in Europe that otherwise wouldnt be able to get any.

[skyknight]

Though not my exact cup of tea, I believe Endpawn has every right to do this. You want to ban him for it, I think your friggin nuts. And I also remember a thread where Endpawn offered these sets to the community. It might have been after everyone jumped ship on HQ though. Surprised you didn't see it with all the flaming you did. Anyways I can not actually believe you would consider even talking about banning someone who made a buck off Heroscape. Big friggin deal, this is why I only trade to avoid these kinda stupid allegations. I think someone has an itchy ban finger and I can be glad that person is not admin. This is the part where I use the ignore button I think.

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Unfortunately, a PM would not allow for a community discussion on how we view EBay sellers who take advantage of the community resources we provide for personal gain.

That is a clear-cut case of this, as was the guy that sold truth's Spiderman custom as his own.

We need to draw a line in the sand, as a community, and let people know how we feel about these kinds of activities. Being silent is the same as being accepting of it. This obviously is news to people, so the community should be informed that this happened.

How can we inform people, or discuss our feelings on it, if it is in PM and unknown to the majority?
This is not a witch-hunt - it is a state-of-the-HS-community discussion. I have been letting people know I was going to discuss this on here for many days now and making sure my ducks were in a row before "accusing" anyone. These are facts.
How you as a fellow HS fan feel about a member doing this is up to you.....


OKay, okay, community first. You guys have a point

BUT

you're going to fly this under the banner, 'Endpawn eBayed Your Tundra Sets'?

How inciting is that, Reaper? You can't tell me you're doing this for the good of the community under a soapbox platform like that. . .

[reapersaurus]

1) AFAIK, endpawn is referring to truth's tourney in Ohio, when he offered Tundra to the guys there, and I know screamingtruth picked up one at I think a reasonable cost. That was straight-up a good thing.

2) I have not suggested banning anyone.

3) Hex - I agree to a point, but what I wanted to type for a title (something like "What do you feel about members personally profiting from community efforts?") wouldn't fit, and the title I chose was brief, to the point, and summarizing what the post was about.

I'm trying to gauge what the HS community's approach is on obviously-predatory profiting of HS efforts, since traditionally, this community has been a VERY helpful, bend-over-your-back-for-the-fellow-HS-fan kind of community.

Maybe it is no more........?

[daevablacc]

I'm w/ Skynight. I'm clicking the ignore button. This kind of flaming :horsepoo: gets us nothing.

[CupidsArt]

I don't really care. If someone is desperate enough to buy Tundra sets on ebay at higher prices. I'm not going to expostulate this situation, if endpawn makes a profit off of $35 tundra sets then I'm sad, he found people too stupid to wait, too desperate or too lazy to do proper research.

If he's selling them at around $22-25 then I commend him for trying to bring heroscape to those who are too stupid to wait, too desperate or too lazy to do proper research.

Really it isn't that hard to get ahold of these sets. If someone is buying off of ebay they have areason, it's either they are too lazy to search around on the net or it's because they have no other choice but to buy off of ebay. Example: Jurgen has no way of really getting ahold of Tundra, most of the online stores he's found it at won't ship it to him for a descent price, but he's found it on ebay cheaper.

Those who buy off of ebay are doing it of their own free will. I haven't met any company ( other than car insurance ) that forces you to buy their product.

"and, that's all I have to say about that"
Forrest Gump

[endpawn]

I openly said on HQ I was willing to part with Tundra sets. ALL who answered got them for cost. Nobody else anywhere online sold sets for cost. I was openly suprised nobody else was interested. Every single person that bought a Tundra set from me was very happy with their purchase and got great customer support and fast shipping. How is that possible a bad thing?

If my service is so vile why so many happy heroscape fans?

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=endpawn&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS

[E.G.Snakeman]

I seem to remember a pic of two huge stacks of TT with a caption something to the effect of " these are for the e-bayers"

...so to say they got on ebay because they were the "extras"... sounds a little like BS to me

I don't care one way or the other, as I got mine.... but I will call ******** when I see it!

[truth]

I openly said on HQ I was willing to part with Tundra sets. ALL who answered got them for cost. Nobody else anywhere online sold sets for cost. I was openly suprised nobody else was interested.

Now this I did NOT know. This makes it a VERY diffrent story. *changing thread title*

[Hex_Enduction_Hour]

Thanks Reaper or whoever changed the thread title!
That was an easy solution and I didn't want to be the one to change it.

Thanks.

EDIT: I see Truth has changed the title

[endpawn]

Maybe I should have tried longer to get them to HQ members who wanted them. Not a single person that bought an ice pack was unhappy about the transaction. All of the proceeds went to buying new materials for custom terrain types. I spent 500 bucks. I made 100. Thats hardly a huge profit margin. Im not a rich man I cant afford to throw a lot of cash into custom creation.

Every single person and company from Hasbro to TRU to Walmart makes a profit off of you buying Heroscape. Are you just never going to shop for anything ever again?

If you dont want to buy anything from me...fine dont. But every tundra and heroes went to a heroscape player. Every terrain type and custom I make I share free with the community. If anyone asks how I make something or where I found a figure I tell them. The only thing I have a problem with is people like reaper whose sole review of somebodies elses work is "Your customs suck go fix them all and dont come back till I like them". I guess Ill put the ignore button to use. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[bushi96]

I think this is your latest attempt to cause problems. I normally wouldnt say anything, but your attempt to get the stragglers at HQ banned made me do some research. Seems like this isnt the only forum you raise hackles on. Just becuase dont agree with somebody else doesnt mean you have to make a topic of it.

I dont know that they make an ignore button big enough for you.

[MacG]

I think this is your latest attempt to cause problems. I normally wouldnt say anything, but your attempt to get the stragglers at HQ banned made me do some research. Seems like this isnt the only forum you raise hackles on. Just becuase dont agree with somebody else doesnt mean you have to make a topic of it.

I dont know that they make an ignore button big enough for you.

Bushi - you want at least to give us a name for that? Endpawn? Reaper? Me? But I use all sorts of names, based on whim! Oh, somebody else? UltraDoug?

[bushi96]

Sorry, meant to be addressed to Reaper. Seems to me that "personal attacks" are OK as long as Reaper is the one throwing them. Flame away buddy, I got tough skin.

Or you can read your other topic about "personal attacks" back and forth between you and the admins, ad nauseum. Then we could let this thread die. Your choice.

[skyknight]

Hes talking about reaper trying to get us banned, or more so me off of Hq. Didn't care what he had to say then and that really has not changed here. Funny how that works. Anyways Endpawn I saw your post and I also saw lots of folks buy multiple sets for themselves, I bought three, should I have bought two so someone else can have a turn :screwy: It does not matter how many Endpawn bought, if you want to blame someone, blame Hasbro.

[truth]

Sorry, meant to be addressed to Reaper. Seems to me that "personal attacks" are OK as long as Reaper is the one throwing them. Flame away buddy, I got tough skin.

Or you can read your other topic about "personal attacks" back and forth between you and the admins, ad nauseum. Then we could let this thread die. Your choice.

I'm loving that avatar bushi.... also I'm locking this topic because it's going nowhere good fast.