NHSD Columbus Ohio - 10/15/11

[MattserTruckRally]

When:
October, 15th, 2011

Location:
Columbus Area Boardgaming Society
670 Lakeview Blvd Suite E
Worthington, OH 43085

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=670+Lakeview+Blvd+Suite+E+worthington,+OH&gs_upl=9566l12484l0l12967l19l12l1l0l0l1l437l1934l3.4.3.0.1l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1014&bih=432&wrapid=tlif131430282576410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8838f35c26cbb45f:0xadd876ee633e80aa,670+Lakeview+Plaza+Blvd,+W orthington,+OH+43085&gl=us&ei=VqtWTs7uN8TFgAfru8ykDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ8gEwAA

Format:
Rolling Rumble - 415 points, 20 hexes

This is a unique format that we're trying out for this event. Basically what will happen is that at the beginning of the tournament you will be randomly paired against another opponent. Once you have finished, turn in your result slips and you will be repaired immediately with another person with a similar record. For instance after round 1, the first two 1-0s to finish would play each other, and the first two 0-1s would play against each other. Your goal during this tournament is to play as many games as possible.

At the end of the tournament the standings will be ordered by most wins, using most games as a tiebreaker, followed by point differential. Here is a possible scenario for end of tournament standings:

Joe - 6-2
Bob - 5-1
Qbert - 4-0
Don - 3-0

Don would be last due to only have three wins, while the other three people have 4 wins. Since Joe has played the most games he would rank above the others. This format will reward speedy play since games played will likely be critical during tiebreakers.

If anyone has any questions about this format please post them in this forum and I will try to update the main post as much as possible.

Maps

Fulcrum

http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//fulcrum_mB5.jpg



Freezer Burn

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2518

http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//freezerburn_g3l.jpg

Elswin Plateau

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2157

http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//elswin%20plateau_xzd.jpg



Burial Marsh

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2417

http://www.heroscapers.com/downloads//burial%20marsh_s5M.jpg




Prizes:
Swarm of the Marro Master Set
Braves & Brawlers
Dwarves and Repulsors

Attendees: 30 (31)
MattserTruckRally* (host)
jacob_jp (host)
ManTrainChooChoo
Pickle4192
No, David, No
WOOKIE
Fedex Worker
killercactus
Phantasm
TurkeyClubSamich
RollItOnTop
FatherofJulian
Storm Shadow
brownsfan
Johnnylama
Jandar 70
Deroche
Nerik +5
Raudulfr Shieldcrusher
Jordan
Heath
Josh
Southwest Ninja
Superfly TNT
Chachi
Moxilla

Maybes: 6
jschild
Brad
Kara
Guanolator+1
Margloth
Fire Ninja
Sara
Bighamrules

*I will only play in the tournament if an odd number of people are registered for the event.

[lefton4ya]

My Votes:

Columbus
Standard pre-draft
Somewhere Between 515-565 (end in 5)
I suggest we allow C3V&SoV cards/figures (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33402) if by then they have released their first wave. I would also prefer approved CUC cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=27657) be allowed as well, but I might get slapped for suggesting that.
The Fire Swamp (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2266) be added - at it was more the map than Nick that defeated me last year and I want a rematch.

I am fine with Marvel eigher way.
Again, I really think we should allow C3V/SoV units and have amost all the figs already that I could loan out, but I understand not having them.
CUC is probably a pipe dream, so actually scratch my suggestion for NHSD and I will just wait until another tourney/gametime to use them.
Although SOS should determine rankings, can we do partial card scoring to determine game wins on time (and make Mezodemon markers and figures each count as 1/4 a squad as they are overpowered if the game is forced to go to time)?
What does everyone feel about reverse the whip? I kinda like it but maybe others do not.

[jschild]

As long as I'm not shipped off to Omaha that week I'm def in.

I'm also up for any format pretty much.

[weesel99]

You should probably add Pickle4192 and no, david, no to the attendees.

[WOOKIE]

I would be down for things like...
6oo points, Marvel, Jotun rule Marvel, CV3, Heroes only or even a different scenario per round.
I would also be content with the great setup from last year. The last one you gentlemen held was well done.

[Johnnylama]

You can put us down as "maybe" for now, but we're planning on coming as long as our schedule allows:

Johnnylama
Jandar70

Also I can help out in any way possible-- just let me know if you need anything! I put a Powerpoint file of "map info sheets" (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=3287) that I put together for my tourneys in Cinci in "the bin." They're based off the ones Weesel used last year. Some are the ones he used, but I added a bunch of maps too.

Last year was awesome. We're really looking forward to this.:)

[Fedex worker]

I will be coming =)

[MattserTruckRally]

You can put us down as "maybe" for now, but we're planning on coming as long as our schedule allows:

Johnnylama
Jandar70

Also I can help out in any way possible-- just let me know if you need anything! I put a Powerpoint file of "map info sheets" (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=3287) that I put together for my tourneys in Cinci in "the bin." They're based off the ones Weesel used last year. Some are the ones he used, but I added a bunch of maps too.

Last year was awesome. We're really looking forward to this.:)

Yeah that will most definitely help. I'm going look through and pick out the maps. I'll post them as soon as I get confirmation on the room.

[TurkeyClubSamich]

I'm in for sure, and I'm pretty sure RollItOnTop is too.

[Brownsfan82]

I'm in for certain. Isn't it Oct. 16th?

[lefton4ya]

Forgot to say put me in Attendees. I am up for carpooling with some Northeasetrn Ohio scapers.

[MattserTruckRally]

Hi,

Well there is some grevious news. I've learned an old friend of mine is getting married on NHSD. Weesel99 will likely be going to the wedding and ManTrain may as well though I have yet to receive confirmation from him. Since I've committed to hosting I will still be doing that and save myself the burden of attending a wedding. Pickle and jacob_jp will still be going.

[jacob_j_p]

Too bad about the timing of the wedding. I can take over as the tournament director if you need to go to that. I don't have a confirmation on the room yet, but it seems like we should be able to get it again.

As for the tournament format, I would like to try the rolling rumble.

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=24423

We could even do two tournaments at once, a standard heroscape, and one that allows marvel and the c3g and sov customs. The neat thing about that is you could even play in both tournaments if you wanted to, since there isn't a "round" structure.

[lefton4ya]

I'm cool with Rolling Rumble - encourages some people to speed up games and others to slow down. Only thing is we need strength of schedule somehow the top ranking criteria, and that seems hard to calculate in rolling rumble and would be the most difficult thing to decide. How would you rank the following people?

6-2, 4 W-L Difference, 75% winning percentage, 24 SOS (total of opponent's wins), 15 SOS-Dif (total of opponent's W-L Difference), 66.66% SOS% (average of opponent's winning %)
5-1, 4 W-L Dif, 83.33% winning, 21 SOS, 14 SOS-Dif, 77.77% SOS%
5-0, 5 W-L Dif, 100% winning, 19 SOS, 16 SOS-Dif, 80% SOS%
4-0, 4 W-L Dif, 100% winning, 12 SOS, 8 SOS-Dif, 66.66% SOS %


As for multiple formats at the same time, I am not quite a fan of. You could make some things optional like C3V/SoV or CUC cards, but I would not recommend C3G (comics). You could optionally have a second event after the main event (which could start the same time the semi-finals of the main event) so maybe people who are not in the top 4 could opt to play a secondary format for a couple of rounds.

[jacob_j_p]

How would you rank the following people?
6-2, 4 W-L Difference, 75% winning percentage, 24 SOS (total of opponent's wins), 15 SOS-Dif (total of opponent's W-L Difference), 66.66% SOS% (average of opponent's winning %)
5-1, 4 W-L Dif, 83.33% winning, 21 SOS, 14 SOS-Dif, 77.77% SOS%
5-0, 5 W-L Dif, 100% winning, 19 SOS, 16 SOS-Dif, 80% SOS%
4-0, 4 W-L Dif, 100% winning, 12 SOS, 8 SOS-Dif, 66.66% SOS %


You would rank them highest to lowest based on win difference, then win %, so 5-0 > 4-0 > 5-1 > 6-2, not that complicated, don't even need to go to strength of schedule.

As for having 2 events, not many people want to stay at the event that long. I see it as being the only way to get both standard heroscape and customs in. If we have either one or the other it will turn away people from the event. By running them simultaneously we can have both. Also, if you bring two armies, and one isn't doing so well for you, you can just go play in the other format.

[MattserTruckRally]

I have some great news for everyone who is interested in coming to Columbus for NHSD. The CABs room has been secured so it will be at the exact same location we used last year. I'll update the main post and get maps posted shortly.

In addition here are prizes I am able to donate from my own personal collection:

Dwarves + Repulsors

Braves & Brawlers (Capuan Gladiators + Mohican River Tribe)

Swarm of the Marro Master Set

[jschild]

Sweet! Thanks!

[killercactus]

I'm in. Phantasm probably is too, and Brad and Kara are maybes.
Any format is fine.

[TurkeyClubSamich]

Add me and RollItOnTop as definite attendees.

[Guanolator]

Count me in and a tentative plus 1. Trying to get my brother to go.

[MattserTruckRally]

Thanks I've updated the first post, we have a potential of almost 20 with less then two months remaining.

[Margloth]

I'm definitely interested. I've never done a tourney, but put me down as a tentative yes.

[bighamrules]

is there a fee to play or anything like and when will more info be put out like points and stuff?s

[Father Of Julian]

Father Of Julian and StormShadow will be there.

[MattserTruckRally]

is there a fee to play or anything like and when will more info be put out like points and stuff?s

I will have more information over Labor Day weekend.

[bighamrules]

Thanks man

[MattserTruckRally]

Another update for the CABs location. We've learned that our time is limited. We cannot set maps up the night before and the earliest we can enter the building is at 9. If anyone would like to help with map building just come an hour before, we'd appreciate the help.

[bighamrules]

If I can make it I will help set up I wil now by next week if I can be there.

[RollItOnTop]

I can help with setup, PM me details

[MattserTruckRally]

Here are more details for NHSD day. The point totals will be 415. We are limiting starting spaces to 20 hexes.

The format will be a Royal Rumble format. I'll post the rules for it shortly.

[lefton4ya]

Here are more details for NHSD day. The point totals will be 415. We are limiting starting spaces to 20 hexes.

The format will be a Royal Rumble format. I'll post the rules for it shortly.
Interesting. So I guess no more 4th or 10th on Mass that seemed to dominate our scene! That makes melee bonding a bit better, but the Raelin, Rats and range better as well (not that people usually play that at ohio games).

Any word on C3V/SoV customs?

[bighamrules]

Dang I need to look at what I have so I can play

[killercactus]

I think ManTrain picked that point total.

There goes my Greenscale army....

And lefton4ya - no Mass????

4th x5
Sam brown - 410, 21 (sit a mass)

[SuperflyTNT]

I'm in. Unless Cincinnati does something.....

[flameslayer93]

If I can come, I wouldn't like to use SoV/C3V units. At least, I just don't think they should be used *now*. I just feel we'll need more than 15 days to a little over a month to review all of the C3V stuff and get a good idea of what works and what doesn't. Seriously, we're only getting a little over 2 weeks to plan an army with the last 3 units(and in my gametime, it takes more than a few theoryscape sessions on HSers to really dig into a unit. Just my :2cents:

[Nirek]

I hope to be coming, but I live in North Carolina now. We'll have to see if I'll be able to make it up there some way.

Go ahead and put me down as a maybe. I'm going to do my best, but I can't guarantee anything. Hopefully I'll also be able to drag along Nathanwright, Kafkaesque, Nick, and Trotter, some of whom you all have met.

[killercactus]

I hope to be coming, but I live in North Carolina now. We'll have to see if I'll be able to make it up there some way.

Go ahead and put me down as a maybe. I'm going to do my best, but I can't guarantee anything. Hopefully I'll also be able to drag along Nathanwright, Kafkaesque, Nick, and Trotter, some of whom you all have met.


You'd better come. I owe a beatdown for last years embarrassment of my Goblins.

[lefton4ya]

If I can come, I wouldn't like to use SoV/C3V units. At least, I just don't think they should be used *now*. I just feel we'll need more than 15 days to a little over a month to review all of the C3V stuff and get a good idea of what works and what doesn't. Seriously, we're only getting a little over 2 weeks to plan an army with the last 3 units(and in my gametime, it takes more than a few theoryscape sessions on HSers to really dig into a unit. Just my :2cents:
But the fun part is seeing how they affect the metagame with only a little time to play instead of just theoryscaping. Last year, I had a tourney that week Wave D13 came out (granted it was a draft tourney) and there was nothing quite exhilarating as playing a figure you have never played before in a tourney. But maybe I am an exception, and I totally understand your concern.

My thinking is, if you don't want to play the C3V units you don't have to, so there is not much harm in allowing them - but I guess everyone theoretically has to think about how to counter the C3V units as they affect the metagame, so it could make a difference. I just don't see most of the units released so far as game breakers, except maybe the Marro Gnids who can take down heroes easily so people might be slightly less inclined to bring hero heavy armies if C3V was allowed - which makes it difficult in 20-space low-point armies. The other C3V units just seem to bolster lower rated units up.

[flameslayer93]

I understand your point Lefton4ya, it is fun to try new stuff out, I just see it hard to counter additional units you have barely gotten to meet when your actually trying to win a game or two. If they steamroll you because you forgotten they exist(which would be possible if your testing armies out and then you get hit with some counter), it's just that you had no forewarning(or rather, not a lot of time) to prepare.

Either way, I would need a ride there so my opinion may not count if I can't find a designated driver:p

[MattserTruckRally]

Hi I know I haven't posted in awhile. I've talked to jacob_jp and I'll be posting the rules for the Battle Royale up on the main page. We've also toyed around with possibly allowing a side tournament to be held midway through the event that allows the customs to be used.

[WOOKIE]

I wouldn't like to use SoV/C3V units. At least, I just don't think they should be used *now*. I just feel we'll need more than 15 days to a little over a month to review all of the C3V stuff and get a good idea of what works and what doesn't.

SoV/C3V might be one of the best way to keep Scape alive & fresh. That is why allowing them on NHSD is impotent. My goal is to have fun that day.

[killercactus]

I wouldn't like to use SoV/C3V units. At least, I just don't think they should be used *now*. I just feel we'll need more than 15 days to a little over a month to review all of the C3V stuff and get a good idea of what works and what doesn't.

SoV/C3V might be one of the best way to keep Scape alive & fresh. That is why allowing them on NHSD is impotent. My goal is to have fun that day.

I thought your goal with Scape morale was to get it up?

[Johnnylama]

I'm in. Unless Cincinnati does something.....
I'm going up, so unless someone else in Cincy wants to throw something, the big gig will be in Columbus!

***

I thought your goal with Scape morale was to get it up?:lol: Not a very hard joke to make (nope...not hard at all), but very effective. :)

[lefton4ya]

:rofl: I love jokes that make fun of when people spell words errogenously.

[WOOKIE]

I wouldn't like to use SoV/C3V units. At least, I just don't think they should be used *now*. I just feel we'll need more than 15 days to a little over a month to review all of the C3V stuff and get a good idea of what works and what doesn't.

SoV/C3V might be one of the best way to keep Scape alive & fresh. That is why allowing them on NHSD is impotent. My goal is to have fun that day.

I thought your goal with Scape morale was to get it up?

:duh: Once again my bad spelling has brought people joy.

[Chachi]

Put down "Chachi and Son" ;) We are "strong maybes" as in most likely to attend barring any stupidity up here in Cleveland....

Uhm, did I miss times for the gathering? I only see a date....

[killercactus]

I'd love to see some C3V allowed, as I just received a bunch of it in the mail. :D I'm stoked to play it.

[Chachi]

Any trading/selling/buying going on there?

[lefton4ya]

Check my tradelist in my signature below. I will sell for cheaper there as I don't have to package and ship. I just realized I have 8 RotV sets now and only want/need 2 or 3.

Also, which of these would people most like as prizes (I will pick 2):

SOTM Unopened (I won at Gencon/Origins)
1 3/4 fortress Sets (as one prize)
Misc Terrain pack, roughly equal in hexes to MS1 but has swamp, dungeon, concrete, snow, and terrain pack extra hexes
Harder to find heroes from different packs (wave 2/3/4/6/7 - about 4-5 heroes)
C3G Figs - Heroxclix & Printed Cards (about 10)
Printscape - CUC cards printout (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=3198) & Lamaclown's Halloween Activity Book (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/downloads.php?do=file&id=2802)

[Chachi]

Prizes? Waves 4,7, 9 and 10.....lmao! THAT would be nice ;)

But really, I'd like hard to find terrain like ice tiles, trees and bridges!

[killercactus]

Speaking of hard to find terrain - while I have everyone in the same place - has anyone ended up with some extra RttFF trees? I looked through my collection the other day and found out I was short some of the small trees (I'm missing 4 or 5 of them I think). If anyone realizes they have extra trees after cleaning up from a tourney or something, let me know. I think my trees got mixed in with someone elses.

[SuperflyTNT]

No drug talk at Heroscapers.com, Mister. :)

[Chachi]

Looks like my son and I will make it that weekend! But, stupid question......other than our preferred army, what else do we need to bring? Admission fees? Terrain? Food/drink? Lots of damage markers?

[killercactus]

Bring army cards, dice, wound markers and a prize for the prize table if you want to take one.

[Nirek]

I hope to be coming, but I live in North Carolina now. We'll have to see if I'll be able to make it up there some way.

Go ahead and put me down as a maybe. I'm going to do my best, but I can't guarantee anything. Hopefully I'll also be able to drag along Nathanwright, Kafkaesque, Nick, and Trotter, some of whom you all have met.



You'd better come. I owe a beatdown for last years embarrassment of my Goblins.

Well it looks like i convinced the wife. Now i just need to convince the rest of my friends so that i can get a ride out there, since she'll only get me as far as Pittsburgh.

[Nirek]

Hi I know I haven't posted in awhile. I've talked to jacob_jp and I'll be posting the rules for the Battle Royale up on the main page. We've also toyed around with possibly allowing a side tournament to be held midway through the event that allows the customs to be used.

Mattser -

are we doing a Battle Royale or a Royal Rumble? If I understand the Royal Rumble correctly, if you lose one game you're out of the tournament. Is that right?

If so, I'm praying it's a Battle Royale.

[lefton4ya]

Just like a normal tourney, with enough players, you can loose a game and still win the tourney or easily come in the top 4. Also, wait to see if the Columbus crew decides to through in a bracketed semi-finals and finals for the final four - it seems like that they are leaning that way but not sure. Also if you use win difference as the top factor as opposed to winning %, if you can get in more games but loose one or two, you are better off then playing less games but being undefeated.

See An Alternative Tournament Structure: The Rolling Rumble (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=24423)
...
Rankings are determined according to the following criteria:

A) Best win difference (number of wins minus number of losses),
B) Win percentage,
C) D20 roll.

That is, the win difference is the primary method of ranking. Within equal differences, win percentage decides the placing. If the records are identical, roll the D20 (any splits made by the D20 are for prize table purposes only).
...
Alternative ranking algorithms. Should win difference be higher priority than win percentage? (Is 5-1 better than 3-0?) When using win difference, is win percentage or number of wins the appropriate secondary criterion? (Is 6-2 better than 5-1?) Should points remaining be collated to add another criterion? (Is 5-1 with a points differential of 530 sufficiently different to 5-1 with a points differential of 450 to be worth everyone collecting that information?) Any and all of the criteria can be put into the order of your choosing to determine placings. If using win percentage, you will probably also want a minimum number of games, say three, to qualify. Anyone with fewer than this number of games adds losses to reach the total.

Strength of Schedule. Calculate the average of your opponents' win percentages. This is your strength of schedule. This can be added into the list of criteria for determining placings.
...

Thanks Dok. So it looks like the best ordering is:

Wins-Loss
Winning %
SOS based on opponent's total W-L record

[Nirek]

Just like a normal tourney, with enough players, you can loose a game and still win the tourney or easily come in the top 4. Also, wait to see if the Columbus crew decides to through in a bracketed semi-finals and finals for the final four - it seems like that they are leaning that way but not sure. Also if you use win difference as the top factor as opposed to winning %, if you can get in more games but loose one or two, you are better off then playing less games but being undefeated.

See An Alternative Tournament Structure: The Rolling Rumble (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=24423)
...
Rankings are determined according to the following criteria:

A) Best win difference (number of wins minus number of losses),
B) Win percentage,
C) D20 roll.

That is, the win difference is the primary method of ranking. Within equal differences, win percentage decides the placing. If the records are identical, roll the D20 (any splits made by the D20 are for prize table purposes only).
...
Alternative ranking algorithms. Should win difference be higher priority than win percentage? (Is 5-1 better than 3-0?) When using win difference, is win percentage or number of wins the appropriate secondary criterion? (Is 6-2 better than 5-1?) Should points remaining be collated to add another criterion? (Is 5-1 with a points differential of 530 sufficiently different to 5-1 with a points differential of 450 to be worth everyone collecting that information?) Any and all of the criteria can be put into the order of your choosing to determine placings. If using win percentage, you will probably also want a minimum number of games, say three, to qualify. Anyone with fewer than this number of games adds losses to reach the total.

Strength of Schedule. Calculate the average of your opponents' win percentages. This is your strength of schedule. This can be added into the list of criteria for determining placings.
...

Thanks Dok. So it looks like the best ordering is:
Wins-Loss
Winning %
SOS based on opponent's total W-L record

Lefton4ya,

Are you sure that's right? It looks like those are the rules for the Rolling Rumble, while the front page of this tournament says we are playing a Royal Rumble. Maybe I'm mincing words.

Anyway, have we decided whether or not C3V figures from Thormun's Reprieve will be allowed? I'm aching to test out Nicholas and Thralls... I would love to do Omega and his crons, too, but it's too few points.

[jacob_j_p]

It will be the Rolling rumble format that's been linked in an earlier post of mine.

[Moxilla]

I will be there. I have a few things for prize fodder as well. I am able to help setup and tear down as well.

[Nirek]

Oh, my bad. I saw that you had offered to take over, but I didn't realize that you had actually done so. That format sounds really good, and should keep things moving.

Any news on C3V?

Also, do we have a registration time?


It will be the Rolling rumble format that's been linked in an earlier post of mine.

[killercactus]

Possible C3V builds -

Zogross - 120
Armocs x3 - 315
Krav - 415

Nick Esenwein - 140
Thralls x4 - 260
Major Q10 - 410, 7

Werewolf Lord - 140
Van Nessing - 245
Marro Gnids x4 - 405
Isamu - 415, 20

Haduc - 100
Sonlen - 260
Raelin - 340
Arkmer - 390
Kyntela - 410, 5

[Nirek]

Possible C3V builds -

Nick Esenwein - 140
Thralls x4 - 260
Major Q10 - 410, 7


It's funny, KC. I was thinking of doing something quite similar.

Nick - 140
Thralls x4 - 260
Cyprien -410, 6

my other thought is for if we don't do C3V:

Horned Skull Brutes x2 -150
Goblins x3 - 300
Evar Scarcarver - 410, 19

[lefton4ya]

If SoV is allowed
Zombies * 4 = 200
Zomie Hulk * 2 = 320
Raelin = 400
Isamu = 410
18 Spaces (hulks are 2)

Or maybe 5 zombie squads and one hulk.

Also,

Someone please add this tourney to NHSD 2011 - There will be prize support (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37281) so we can get a some prizes (if we have 36+ players it will be 2 each of Marvel, Swarm, Castle, and maybe if we are lucky 1 rare prize such as a lava/tundra or flagbearer).

[jacob_j_p]

Right now we're thinking of starting the first match at noon, and calling no new games at 4:00. So, you probably want to show up around 11:30, or earlier if you want to help build maps. I think we're getting into the building at either 9 or 10. I'll have to double check that.

Oh, my bad. I saw that you had offered to take over, but I didn't realize that you had actually done so. That format sounds really good, and should keep things moving.

Any news on C3V?

Also, do we have a registration time?


It will be the Rolling rumble format that's been linked in an earlier post of mine.

[flameslayer93]

If anyone is willing to pick me up, I could come.

[killercactus]

If anyone is willing to pick me up, I could come.

Where are you?

[lefton4ya]

If anyone is willing to pick me up, I could come.
I am available to pick people up or carpool. I live by Case Western in Little Italy - just PM me your address.

Drive time for me is 2.25 - 2.5 hours and since I want to get there by 11:30 for sign-up, we should leave around 9 am or earlier.

[jschild]

Sigh.....jschild is a sad puppy. Work is shipping me out to Omaha for a week and I am definitely out of this tournament. Was looking so forward to this tourny too. Best wishes to everyone though and I hope everyone has a fantastic time.

[flameslayer93]

Thanks for the offer Lefton4ya! PM sent :D

Edit: You can make me an attendee!

[Nirek]

At this point, you've got me and at least one other for sure. I believe that at least 3 more beyond that are coming with me, but I'm not sure yet.

[Deroche]

Thinking about coming up as well...also curious if C3V will be allowed or not.

[Chachi]

I'm bringing ALL figures/cards for possible trade/sell/buy.

[bighamrules]

i wont be coming. I just got back to Ohio and I dont have anything new to play with and cant find any one to play with here to get back in to it. also, dont know if i can make it because starting new job this up coming week and might not be able to get off

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

Jordan and I will be attending.

I'll let you know as soon as I can about Heath and Josh.

I will also be bringing customs stuff to trade or sell. And that includes decks of my new Artscow cards.

[Nirek]

Can we get the OP updated in any way? It's missing a lot of information. I know that we're starting registration at 11:30 and probably running until 4, and that we're doing the Rolling Rumble format, but many of the people who have said they will be in attendance are not on record (which would be useful for determining numbers for prize support), and we still do not know if C3V will be allowed. That information would be wonderful to have on the front page.

[SuperflyTNT]

What the hell is a Royal Rumble format?

I cannot imagine that customs will be allowed, be they C3V or something I came up with in my garage.

[jacob_j_p]

I've been trying to get Matt to update the front page. Don't know what's taking him so long. If anyone has questions, just put them up, I'll try to keep up with what's going on.

Another update, we are asking people for $5 to help pay for the rental of the room (if you can't afford it, it's not required). If we collect more than the cost of the room, it will be added to the prize table.

[Fedex worker]

You can add a possible +1 for me!

Also, IMO we could use C3V, but I don't think we should allow any other type of custom.

[MattserTruckRally]

Sorry I'm back here. I'll be posting some updates here shortly. I'll message weesel99 to see what map templates he has available and try to check back here on a more regular basis. Been a crazy couple of weeks starting school.

[gamjuven]

happyjosiah and I will be coming. :D

[killercactus]

happyjosiah and I will be coming. :D

Nice! Maybe we can get in an SW game or two... I'll bring a couple decks.

[Hendal]

sounds awesome, sorry I can not make it, stingers tend to kill very quickly, sounds like an awesom format

[gamjuven]

I'm still a little in awe about this format. What if you are the only person with a record? For example it is possible after a few rounds to have only one undefeated person, does that person never play again? Also, if you have a record (doesn't matter which one), you have to wait until a game finishes (where someone else might have your record), before you get to play again? Sounds like it will be easy to get screwed over because a number of things: Playing a slow player will get you in trouble. Waiting for a game could take a while.

But that's just me. I'm not running the tournament. If anyone would like to pound reason into my head please feel free.

[lefton4ya]

I apologize to everyone, but last week the international student fellowship I am part of has scheduled our yearly apple picking and BBQ on October 15. I am helping to plan it and last year we had 150 people, so I had a tough decision and decided that although I love Heroscape, beeing a light to international students is more important to me right now so I will not be able to attend NHSD. Which is sad because I was planning on picking flameslayer93 up, doing a trade with Nirek (and any others) and bringing some awesome prizes, not to mention a great army.

I wish you all a great time and will see you next year (and maybe in a couple months if I can plan another tourney).

[flameslayer93]

Is anybody who lives in Cleveland able to pick me up? If not, it is not a problem, I just won't show up:p

Cheers

[jacob_j_p]

The goal is to play games, so you can match up with someone that doesn't have the same record as you, you just have to find the player with the closest record to you in the pool of players not playing games. The tournament directors (myself and matt) will help with matching players appropriately. Playing a slow player is a problem, I've been thinking of limiting games to 50 minutes total time, and calling it a draw if it goes to time.

I'm still a little in awe about this format. What if you are the only person with a record? For example it is possible after a few rounds to have only one undefeated person, does that person never play again? Also, if you have a record (doesn't matter which one), you have to wait until a game finishes (where someone else might have your record), before you get to play again? Sounds like it will be easy to get screwed over because a number of things: Playing a slow player will get you in trouble. Waiting for a game could take a while.

But that's just me. I'm not running the tournament. If anyone would like to pound reason into my head please feel free.

[Deroche]

C3V or no?

[lefton4ya]

Even though I am not playing, I still have questions on the following:
At the end of the tournament the standings will be ordered by most wins, using most games as a tiebreaker, followed by point differential. Here is a possible scenario for end of tournament standings:

Joe - 6-2
Bob - 5-1
Qbert - 4-0
Don - 3-0

Don would be last due to only have three wins, while the other three people have 4 wins. Since Joe has played the most games he would rank above the others. This format will reward speedy play since games played will likely be critical during tiebreakers.

If anyone has any questions about this format please post them in this forum and I will try to update the main post as much as possible.


First off I will make the above more clear:
In Format Games - Wins - losses:
Joe - 6-4-2
Bob - 5-4-1
Qbert - 4-4-0
Don - 3-3-0

So you are telling me that someone with a 4W-1L (3 Win diff, 80% win %) beats someone that is 4W-0L (4 win diff, 100% win %)? No offense, but that is ridiculous! I guess the point of this would be to get the most games in, but I can have just as much fun in a drawn out close game than a bunch of short games, and this format discourages that. You might as well have a chess clock (sarcasm hopefully noted). It is just not my style to be rushed as it makes me play a sloppier game - not that I take an extremely long time or want others to do so either, I just feel like people get penalized for carefully planning moves. Maybe it is just that Mattser and Mantrain are the fastest heroescape players I have played against so by comparison all the rest of us are slow and he wants us to be faster :p But seriously, I just would rather have 50 min game caps and put rank as following:

W-L difference OR winning %
# of games played or # of wins
SoS determined by total of opponent's wins loss record or average winning %


Anyway, I am not going, so maybe it will work and no harm in trying it out.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

Jordan and I are not on the list of attendees. We will be there.

I'm still waiting on Heath and Josh.

[RollItOnTop]

I know that the hex limit is 20, but will starting zones also be limited to 20 hexes?

[killercactus]

A 4-0 beats a 4-1 because the 4-0 has better win difference (4) than the 4-1 (3).

[jacob_j_p]

Yeah, Matt screwed up the first post again. It is win differential, not just staight up wins, then games played. The whole columbus crew plays fast, and that's part of why we want to try this format. It also promotes different armies, for example, playing rats is probably not a good idea.

[southwest ninja]

How have I not seen this...... I am in.

[SuperflyTNT]

I'm in, for sure, since there's nothing in Cincy. I'll likely be bringing my buddy Mickey unless his Chemo/Radiation therapy is scheduled for that day or he's too whipped to make it. I'll also be bringing his potential son-in-law if he comes.

Scape on!

[Pickle4192]

Hello Guys,

I have (after much thought) decided to sell off my Heroscape collection, and thought that I would let the Scapers that are coming to NHSD in Columbus have first “dibs”. I have 7 Master Set Ones, three of every booster, and three of the other two Master Sets. I also have at least three of every Terrain Set. Send me a PM of what you want and I will respond to you ASAP. I will respond with how much they are and if I still have them for sale.

Thank you,

Pickle4192

[Fire Ninja]

Put me as a maybey

[Deroche]

I plan to make the drive up.

[Nirek]

Still wondering if C3V will be authorized for play at the tournament.

Also, it will be me +5 that are definites from Western PA (or Charlotte, NC). Woohoo! Registration is 11:30 right?

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

Update: Heath and Josh will be attending.

And I will have a few decks of trading sized cards from Artscow for sale.

[Fedex worker]

It might be wise to update the player count as we may be able to get more prize support with the amount we now have. (At least I think so, don't mind me if I'm wrong).

[Johnnylama]

Barring a wayward asteroid, Jandar70 and I should be "yes" instead of "maybe" at this point.:)

***

Also, just say the word if you need help with maps, etc. I have some built out in my basement in preparation for my next Cincy event (General Wars), and I could easily throw them in a box to bring up. Current list: Mayberry, Interception, Trespasser, Kodiak. See the link in my sig for pictures. I have info sheets printed out for each using the glyphs and conditions listed in the event thread too. I have old info sheets printed for all of the maps I've used at previous events too. Those are all listed in the gallery.

If I can help, just let me know!

[jacob_j_p]

Also, just say the word if you need help with maps, etc. I have some built out in my basement in preparation for my next Cincy event (General Wars), and I could easily throw them in a box to bring up. Current list: Mayberry, Interception, Trespasser, Kodiak. See the link in my sig for pictures. I have info sheets printed out for each using the glyphs and conditions listed in the event thread too. I have old info sheets printed for all of the maps I've used at previous events too. Those are all listed in the gallery.

If I can help, just let me know!

We can probably use the maps, I'll let Matt know, and he'll get that first post updated.

As to the questions of customs, we have decide to just run 2 tournaments if we get enough players for each type. One will be standard heroscape no customs allowed, and the other will allow official c3v/sov units. For the customs they have to either have a base of similar size to heroscape bases, or must be re-based, and the card needs to be printed out in color. You can bring two armies to play, one in each tournament, or you can bring a standard heroscape army and play in both. However, if not enough people sign up for standard (no customs) heroscape, we will just pool all players. Both tournaments will run concurrently, and you can switch between the two at will.

[lefton4ya]

Did Mattser or someone get prizes from Rychaen. I added you guys as the people on the NHSD Prize support thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37281) and they said they mailed it out. I dunno if they got accurate totals so I dunno ho much they are sending. anyway, something is better than nothing. I wish I could come, but I am quadruple-booked that day and had to make a tough decision.

[Nirek]

We can probably use the maps, I'll let Matt know, and he'll get that first post updated.

As to the questions of customs, we have decide to just run 2 tournaments if we get enough players for each type. One will be standard heroscape no customs allowed, and the other will allow official c3v/sov units. For the customs they have to either have a base of similar size to heroscape bases, or must be re-based, and the card needs to be printed out in color. You can bring two armies to play, one in each tournament, or you can bring a standard heroscape army and play in both. However, if not enough people sign up for standard (no customs) heroscape, we will just pool all players. Both tournaments will run concurrently, and you can switch between the two at will.

A couple of questions on this format - if we can one tournament, which will we keep, standard or standard plus custom? Second, am I right in understanding that the win differential from both tournaments will function together? As in:

Mike - Customs 3/1, Standard 1/0
Nick - Customs 0/0, Standard 4/1
Nate - Customs 1/0, Standard 2/0

in this situation Mike and Nick are tied with a win differential of 4, even though Nick did not participate in the customs tournament, and Nate is behind them with a win differential of 3. Is that correct?

Finally, are the times still 11:30 for registration and 4:00 for ending?

Thanks

[Chachi]

I didn't see an updated attendee list and was wondering if this is still a "go". Check my "No Hex Terrain" posting in the forums, there are pics of 3mm play mats I made that I wanted to add to the prizes. They cost a few hundred to get done EACH. We are using them here but I am looking to get another for the tourney! ;) I'll put one in to help if I can get it done in time (done at my shop professionally)

[Nirek]

I didn't see an updated attendee list and was wondering if this is still a "go". Check my "No Hex Terrain" posting in the forums, there are pics of 3mm play mats I made that I wanted to add to the prizes. They cost a few hundred to get done EACH. We are using them here but I am looking to get another for the tourney! ;) I'll put one in to help if I can get it done in time (done at my shop professionally)

It's definitely still on. Jacob_jp has been updating the thread with new information, but the front page is still a bit behind. There are probably at least 10 attending that are currently not on the list on the fp.

[killercactus]

Is the C3V tourney also 415 Points? I don't have very many good C3V builds at 415, but for 500 Points I'd be in it in a heartbeat....

Otherwise, I'll probably just play standard.

[gamjuven]

Sorry for the huge inconvenience but happyjosiah and I will not be able to attend. We thought we could but cannot. Again sorry, I hope everyone has a fun time. I look forward to seeing the results.

[MattserTruckRally]

Hi everyone,

I know I haven't updated in awhile. Jacob_jp has had some unfortunate events happen in his life and he will not be able to assist me this Saturday. I will be able to still host this event however. Life has been a little busy but I've got time tonight to get this thing situated for Saturday. Please PM me with any questions you may have.

Thank you!

[TurkeyClubSamich]

Is Marvel allowed in this tournament? My Captain wants to know.

[Johnnylama]

Hi everyone,

I know I haven't updated in awhile. Jacob_jp has had some unfortunate events happen in his life and he will not be able to assist me this Saturday. I will be able to still host this event however. Life has been a little busy but I've got time tonight to get this thing situated for Saturday. Please PM me with any questions you may have.

Thank you!
Yow... it sound like things have been rough up there. If you need anything, let me know!

[MattserTruckRally]

Is Marvel allowed in this tournament? My Captain wants to know.

Marvel will be allowed. The biggest thing is whether the customs will be allowed or not.

[Fedex worker]

Cool one of my maps is up there!

And wow I never though Marvel will be allowed, but I guess it isn't too bad with these low point armies.

[TurkeyClubSamich]

I vote nay on customs.

[Nirek]

Hasn't it already been decided that two tournaments will be running, one with C3V and one without? If not, then please make a decision. I would really like a chance to playtest armies knowing whether or not I'm going to be able to use them in two days.

[MattserTruckRally]

Well I'm debating on only holding one tournament. I'll be fine hosting one tournament myself, though doing two tournaments may be a bit much for one person to handle on their own.

Since the 2nd tournament should be a more low key event maybe I could work with someone to help run the second tournament.

Thoughts?

[MattserTruckRally]

I've also recieved prize support from Rychean. I haven't opened the box yet so I haven't seen what he has provided us but it should be pretty good.

[Nirek]

If we do just one, are we going to allow C3V or not?

It's hard to decide.

[Fedex worker]

I say we do just one, allow C3V (but maybe no other customs), since C3V is basically just like a continuation of actual HS, judging by how they run their system and since Truth and such support it.

[Chachi]

I hate to do this (like REALLY hate to do this) but my son and I have to bail. Wife has told me of all that is going on here and it would be logistically impossible.

But I have word that there is a Magic tourney going on in the same building at the same time and a guy is bringing a WILD collection for sale of HS stuff!! (Like Aubriens x4, Shades x9!, and other awesomeness!).

Keep your eyes peeled!

[WOOKIE]

Map wise I'll bring Capuan Arena, Mole Hills, Fire Isles, Desolation Pass, Mike's Maze & Mosquito Coast.

Prize wise I'll bring a BFTU & some other cool stuff.

Army wise I'll bring something :twisted:

[Father Of Julian]

"Tomorrow will be a good day to die." FOR SOME

[flameslayer93]

Have fun at NHSD everybody! :)

[Pickle4192]

Hello, Things have come up to where I will not be able to bring my stuff to sell. I have not gotten it all ready and dont think that i will have the time to do so before tomottow morn.

[Brownsfan82]

Something came up and I will not be able to go. I miss heroscaping in Ohio. Good luck

[Johnnylama]

"Tomorrow will be a good day to die." FOR SOME
(...probably me...) :)

Bad news: Jandar70 bailed on me.

Good news: I'm not bailing on me.

I'll throw some maps in the trunk in case they're needed!;)

[Fedex worker]

Okay so, just to make sure, Marvel IS allowed, right?

(Also if Mattser or whoever sees this, you never actually announced whether C3V would be allowed or not:|, so it may be useful for others if you did)

[killercactus]

Great time today everyone! Was nice to meet some new people and get some Scaping in again - it's been a while. I still can't believe I found a way to kill Fedex's Captain America.... Insane.

Thanks again to Matt for hosting and running! The format was great and it went very smoothly. A big thanks to Rychean for the prizes, too!

[Deroche]

Just to got home (slight delay going through Cinci).

That was fun! Good to see some familiar faces from GenCon and it's always great to meet new ones as well.

Congrats on your win, KC! Was nice to finally meet you.

No idea if Matt is going to post armies or not, so in the meantime, maybe we can post what we played?

Because I wanted people to hate me:

Q9
Raelin
Ratsx2
Marro Warriors
Marcu

A good army for the point total, but terrible for the format because it didn't play very fast. I only got in five matches, but managed to get 4th with a record of 4-1.

Nice 'scape community you guys have there and I hope to make the drive up again. And I'll drag some other KY players with me...maybe I'll tie them to the roof of my car.

[killercactus]

Good call on posting armies. I played:

Mezzodemons x5 - 325
Raelin - 405
Isamu - 415

and went 5-1, with my only loss to Father of Julian's anti-Mezz army (Cyprien, PK's x2, Krav, Marcu - about as anti-Mezz as you can get without a special attacker...), with a ton of winners points because demons don't die, and I stole a 1st place finish.

[Fedex worker]

This tourney was awesome!

I went:
Captain America 220
4th Mass x2 140
Eldgrim 30
390

I played 25 points under, but I wanted to keep the valiant army bonus so I couldn't use a filler I had. Still, I went 5-3 in 8th place, with my first two losses to a one life Marcu then a one life Sonya (I hate the Esenwein family.). Then I got dominated by KC. Captain America is definitely one of the best units in the game, he almost did everything in all of my games except when a 4th took a pot shot with height on someone's Q9 (Deroche?), got 4 skulls, and he whiffed.

But overall was great tourney!

[Johnnylama]

I went 3-2 with stingers x5, Raelin, Isamu, Marcu. My two losses came from KC and Father of Julian.

KC did two things very well:
1. He anticipated that there won't be many special attacks because of the low points of the armies, making the Mezzos a viable option. His one loss was to Father of Julian's Cyprien/ PK / Krav army. Cyprien kept using chilling touch on the Mezzos and bypassed the exoskeletons. Without a special attack in my army, I had a very hard time. I burned though all of the exoskeletons, but I ran out of juice before I could kill many Mezzos after that.
2. He played the Mezzos quite well. Backed up by Raelin, they were a %&*#@ to kill. He put them right in my face, tying up choke points and engaging my figures on height, leaving me little hope of getting to his Raelin or the Mezzos out of her aura. If I managed to "kill" one, and he liked where it was, he just used an exoskeleton. If I killed one that wan't in a good location for him, he let it die. This let him maximize the exoskeletons and really take control of the board. Well played!

I had a blast! My two losses were both epic battles (It seems like every time I play FoJ it's an epic battle ;)). The three I won were fun too, but it's nice to say I enjoyed my losses also. It was great to see a lot of familiar faces as well as meet some new people. The format was fun and refreshing. I now have two beautiful Heroscape shirts and knowledge of a new tourney format. Thanks to Matt for putting it all together! Well worth the drive!

***

If anyone is around Cincinnati on 11/5, I'm running a General Wars tourney. See the link in my sig for details!

[MattserTruckRally]

Thanks again everyone for making the trip down to Columbus for NHSD. The event ran smoothly and everyone managed to get in at least 5 games in the four window that we had. TurkeyClubSamich managed a most impressive feat of nine games in less then four hours!

Point differential was huge for killercactus and the Mezzodemons with their exoskeleton markers were a big reason for that.

Here are the armies that everyone played. I'll put this in the order that they placed:

1st place - killercactus (5-1, 4 win differential) - Mezzodemons x5, Raelin, Isamu

2nd place - Wookie (5-1, 4 win differential) - Nilfheim, Marro Warriors, 2 Marrden Hounds*

3rd place - TurkeyClubSamich (6-3, 3 win differential) - Raelin(SOTM), Cyprien, Sonya, Krav Maga Agents

4th place - Deroche (4-1, 3 win differential) - Q9, Deathreaversx2, Raelin, Marro Warriors, Marcu


Father of Julian Cyprien, Phantom Knights x2, Krav Maga Agents, Marcu

phantazmz1zero Cyprien, Sonya, Stingers x3, Rats x1

Fedex Worker Capt America, 4th Massx2, Eldgrim

RaudulferSheildcrusher Venom, Stingers x4, Marcus

Jordan Tor-Ka-Na, Su-Sa-Ga, Nagrubs

Nathan Wright Axegrindersx4, Migol, Isamu, Otonashi


Donald Bugg Jr (izzadizza) Marcus, Legionnaires x3, 10th Regx2


Ken S Kurrok, Raelin, Fire Elemental x6

Moxilla Marcu, Red Wyrm x6, Black Wyrm x7

Nirek Venoc Warlord, Venoc Vipersx3, Aubrien Archersx2, Sahaugian Raider





Lettucemode
Marro Hive, Marro Drones x 5

Pickle4192 Isamu, Venoc Warlord, Aubrien Archersx4

stormshadow Atlaga, Omnicron Snipers, Protectors of Ullar x2

Johnnylama (aka John) Stingers x5, Raelin, Isamu, Marcu

Triston Whited (rollitontop) Braxus, Greenscales x2, Raelin


saxnanja88 Greenscales x3, Nilfheim, Marro Warriors

Nick Perine Cyprien, Warforged Soldiers x3, Sahugian Raider

Kevin Ward Stingers x5, Raelin, Guilty

[Nirek]

Thanks everyone for an awesome tournament. Hoping for another one next year!

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

Even though I placed 5th, and I'm very happy with that, I had a devastating loss to Jordan (my son no less) where I didn't kill one single figure in his army. Not one. His only losses were Nagrubs he consumed to heal, and that was only two of the six he had. My army was slaughtered. I was crushed. He will talk about that win for months.

[WOOKIE]

Well I had a devastating loss to Jorden (RS's son no less) where I only killed a squad of Nagrubs. Even though Tor -Kul-Na's Trample Stomp had little affect on my team, his strong stats schooled me. Even worse, it was my own map.
My closest game was with Izzadizza, using a Marcus build. It came down to my last 2 M Warriors finishing off his last 10th. Awesome game.
The army I used (Nilf, MW & 2 M Hounds) had preformed well together. I usually started off with the Hounds who were fast & durable. An under rated unit.

I want to thank..
-Mattster for running a fast, well run tournament. I loved the format, considering you could play a lot in a short amount of time.
-Princie, FOJ & Storm Shadow for giving me a beautiful HS shirt & getting me there.
-Johnnylama for being "The Man".
-My fellow Scapers for giving me some great games & awsome company.

See you all soon.

[TurkeyClubSamich]

NHSD was awesome. I brought this team:
Krav Maga Agents
Cyprien Esenwein
Sonya Esenwein
Raelin (SOTM)
My third place finish at 6-3 (the most games played in the tournament), which I was quite pleased with, can be credited to a few factors. First of all, KMAs are still ballers after all these years. Secondly, I tailored my team for speed in a couple ways, one obvious, and one more subtle. Obviously, Cyprien is simply the fastest moving unit in the game (unless you count Hulk or that weird teleporting Marro dude), and his chilling touch makes for potential instant impact. However, it was the addition of Raelin SOTM that really made my team work in this format, I believe.

I want to give a shout out right now to IzzalDizzalfor helping me think outside the box in building this team and getting up the nerve to bring what is widely considered to be the inferior Raelin.

Considering the emphasis placed on finishing games quickly, I immediately in my brainstorming process considered Cyprien for his stealth flying 8 move and the KMAs for their ridiculous 13 space threat range. I was considering rounding out the final 120 available points on my team with a Fen Hydra, figuring the 4 attacks might accelerate the pace of the game. However, the temptation to use a defense aura to combo with the KMA's stealth dodge was too great, despite the fact that Raelin is generally (rightly) thought of as anti-tempo. I originally thought to field Raelin ROTV, but with a 415 point cap, I was left with 40 points and few options (one set of rats would slow things down). So IzzalDizzal suggested I use the 120 point rendition of Raelin.
In my own experience with Raelin ROTV and in watching others use her, it seems common for people to move her once or twice a game (that is, unless the endgame is reached and most other units are off the board and you have to use her offensively). With the extended defense aura, I would simply place Raelin SOTM front and center, moving my KMAs and vampire in front of her with the freedom to spread out to maximize the KMAs effectiveness while still gaining the defense bonus. All this while moving Raelin between zero and one time per game. I find that what you gain from sacrificing the extra defense die (the significance of which I do not mean to understate) is mobility and tempo. It just so happens that those two elements were at a premium in this rolling rumble tournament format. I'm super pleased to have found a use for what is generally thought of as a marginal unit in constructed competitive Heroscape.

Thanks again to MattserTruckRally for running the event and to all the Heroscape faithful that came out this year. I'm gonna try my hardest to make it to the Cincy General Wars tournament. Cheers.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

As soon as I get a chance, I'll post pics.

[hangred]

Looks like there was a decent amount of the D&D squads in the armies. Sorry that I missed this tournament. I've had only one game of Heroscape in the last year or so. :(

[lefton4ya]

Sorry I missed it too. Anyone up for a game on November or December in Cleveland? I suggest trying to redo either the Reverse the Whip tourney (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36553) I was planning before Gencon or the Army Auction event (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34584) KC was planning for his birthday - both of which got canceled due to low attendance. I know there is not nearly the demand as even a year ago, but maybe a dozen people or so would come "if we built it"

[flameslayer93]

Sorry I missed it too. Anyone up for a game on November or December in Cleveland? I suggest trying to redo either the Reverse the Whip tourney (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36553) I was planning before Gencon or the Army Auction event (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34584) KC was planning for his birthday - both of which got canceled due to low attendance. I know there is not nearly the demand as even a year ago, but maybe a dozen people or so would come "if we built it"

I'd be interested in coming, but only if its in Cleveland :p

[killercactus]

I think I'm going to try to host an event in Warren on December 3rd.

Here's a link to the thread - C3V Reverse the Rumble (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1501171&postcount=1)

[heroscaper2010]

I haven't been to a tourney but do any of you guys notice that we're a week away from Matt's original post last year? If someone's running one, I may be able to make it there...:pray:

[killercactus]

I'm sure I'd find a way to make it. Haven't got to play scape in a while, but I have a title to defend.

[buckeyefan837]

I would love to come to a NHSD tournament in Ohio this year.

[heroscaper2010]

I'm sure I'd find a way to make it. Haven't got to play scape in a while, but I have a title to defend.

:lol:

[Nirek]

I'd definitely come. And when I come to a tourney I usually bring several friends (last year 5 of us came to NHSD).

I'd love it if it were in Warren this year, though...

[heroscaper2010]

*Knock* *Knock* *Knock*

Just saying... :D

[GTigers55]

I too would be interested in coming if anyone was holding one. It would have to be on a weekend though to even have a shot at going. I hope its close (1 hr or so at max) so I can come if we have one.

~GT55

[killercactus]

So, is anyone gonna step up and host? I would, but I tried and just can't make it work with prep time, terrain, etc. I'd hate to see NOHSD die because no one wants to run one....

[Nirek]

It'd be my first tournament that's not just a bunch of people I know playing at home, but I think I could manage to host it. I'd be most likely to do Warren instead of Columbus (I'm actually in PA) unless we'd lose a lot of people by doing Warren.

I would hope I get to play though!

I'd also definitely need people to help with terrain. I have 2 of everything, but that'll give us 5 maps at best.

[heroscaper2010]

So, is anyone gonna step up and host? I would, but I tried and just can't make it work with prep time, terrain, etc. I'd hate to see NOHSD die because no one wants to run one....

I'm sure a few of us could help with terrain, but I know there are other issues too.

[Fedex worker]

Yeah as long as it isn't on the 12th I could definitely come, especially if it is in Warren. I know the Columbus Crew has came up a few times and they have a quite a few people, but I haven't really seen much activity from them in a while.

[heroscaper2010]

Columbus or Warren, as long as I'm allowed, I should be able to make it, as it's only a 20 minute difference (Warren's closer actually), between the two.

[heroscaper2010]

I'd be able to bring 2 BoV maps, and maybe another custom map.

[Johnnylama]

Warren is probably too far for those of us in the Cincy/ Dayton area. I could host something down in Cincy if there is nothing going on in Columbus, but the Columbus gigs have been sooo huge and awesome that it would be a shame to see them go. I bet a group of us could easily pool together some boards. I'm not very good at spreadsheets (I use paper strips at all the tourneys I've done, but 14 was the biggest), but someone who is could set up one for ranking. I think venue would be the biggest issue with "out of towers" trying to host something in Columbus. Drive time + set up time would make a very early morning. Also, someone would have to contact the venue, check for availability, etc. I forget where they've done it in the past, but I believe it wasn't free.

Anyway, I'd love some info one way or another so if there is nothing in Columbus, I could put something together down here. You guys up north could start setting something up there too.

[flameslayer93]

If need be, I'm sure I could bring a BoV map (yeah, there are a few maps that use the Castle set instead of the other expansions :lol:), and I can easily pull out a custom map. But yeah, a locale would be nice to know. :p

[Nirek]

Didn't it used to alternate between Columbus and Warren? We've made the 5+ hour drive the last two years.

I know I can't speak for everyone but I'd rather go farther for a bigger event than split us in two. Even if that means Columbus. But I can't lead Columbus and I think Cincy is too far. But I definitely don't think we should split into two events.

[Deroche]

I think three-time GenCon champions are required to host NHSD events. Hmm, I wonder if there are any three-time GenCon champions in Ohio...

[GTigers55]

I would prefer to have it in Columbus but I could make Warren possibly too. Cincy would be way to far for me though.

I would be able to bring Mad_Wookie's map Isenfell that was featured at Gencon. Hoping to go to my first tourney if its close enough.

[Fedex worker]

I think we would be fine terrain wise, I could probably set up 8-10 maps myself if need be. And I too would prefer to have the tourney be one large one rather than split up!

[heroscaper2010]

If we're looking for a big tourney, Columbus is the way to go. I don't mind, like I said, it's only a 20minute difference between the two.

[Nirek]

I'm not totally sure you're right. IIRC in Columbus in 2011 we had 22 (5 of which were me and my crew from Pittsburgh). In Columbus in 2010 we had 40ish. In Warren in 2009 we had 35ish. Now I know that location wasn't the only factor, but I think that's still worth noting.

What it comes down to is, do we have someone who will lead in Columbus? We've got a lot of people willing to go to Columbus OR Warren, myself included. No one has offered to lead in Columbus (I can't due to distance). If someone will do it, that's great and I will haul out there again. If not, I would love to lead in Warren. If that means a smaller event, it's still better than no event and with no leader in Columbus yet, those appear to be the options.

[heroscaper2010]

I'm not totally sure you're right. IIRC in Columbus in 2011 we had 22 (5 of which were me and my crew from Pittsburgh). In Columbus in 2010 we had 40ish. In Warren in 2009 we had 35ish. Now I know that location wasn't the only factor, but I think that's still worth noting.

What it comes down to is, do we have someone who will lead in Columbus? We've got a lot of people willing to go to Columbus OR Warren, myself included. No one has offered to lead in Columbus (I can't due to distance). If someone will do it, that's great and I will haul out there again. If not, I would love to lead in Warren. If that means a smaller event, it's still better than no event and with no leader in Columbus yet, those appear to be the options.

Yeah, decrease in population, Heroscape has. :(

And yes, I get that it comes down to if we have a director for Columbus.

[Johnnylama]

What it comes down to is, do we have someone who will lead in Columbus? We've got a lot of people willing to go to Columbus OR Warren, myself included. No one has offered to lead in Columbus (I can't due to distance). If someone will do it, that's great and I will haul out there again. If not, I would love to lead in Warren. If that means a smaller event, it's still better than no event and with no leader in Columbus yet, those appear to be the options.

Agreed. If you do Warren, I'll do Cincy, but something bigger in Columbus is the top choice.

As for leading, if someone in Columbus will line up the venue, I think *most* of the rest of the work could be spread out among the rest of us coming from out of town. Someone could volunteer to bring a laptop to keep the rankings-- heck, if Matt sent me the spreadsheet from last year I could *probably* figure it out. A few of us could bring a bunch of boards-- I'm good for around 10. I know Wookie in Dayton is probably good for at least 10. If someone lined up the venue and split up the tables for us, we could handle set up pretty well. Bring your own dice and markers, and I think there wouldn't be too much to do.

As for a format, this was mentioned after Gen Con, and it sounds good to me (I was going to use it in Cincy if we did something there):


Just tossing out an alternative format, for discussion:


Bring two armies, which cannot share any figures.
Before each game, dice off with your opponent. The winner chooses first army choice or second army choice.
First army choice may choose any of the four armies (yours or your opponent's). Second choice may choose any of the other three.
Format does not change from day 1 to day 2.

This captures some of the RTW (and draft) advantages without slowing things down too much. And you can always play one of your two armies if you want to.

[clembo2021]

If we do have an event in Columbus I could bring my collection of C3G stuff to possibly have a C3G event on the side (I pretty much have one of all uniques, 5x on all common/uncommon). However, I'm more of a follower than a leader.

[buckeyefan837]

I could bring terrain for any tournament. Columbus would be ideal and anything outside Cincy is a no go for me unfortunately.

[flameslayer93]

Geoboy, his father (though its a big maybe, more likely a no), and maybe his friend, and myself could come to one in Warren. Otherwise, it'll like just be me and Geoboy playing (well maybe his dad as well but again... :|) if its Columbus.

[killercactus]

I sent a PM to all the Columbus guys - maybe they can help us out or point us in the right direction

If we end up doin warren, I can let Greg know and reserve the day for Nirek to run it.

[GTigers55]

Uh oh! Looks like Runa's gonna make an appearance at this one! :lol: Raelin shall be victorious!!!

[flameslayer93]

Let's get ready for October then. 8)

[heroscaper2010]

Let's get ready for October then. 8)

Ditto! :D

[Nirek]

Awesome! I'm glad to see this coming together. Let me try to consolidate what we've determined so far so that we're all prepared to move forward.

Columbus is the preferred location. Last year it was held at the Columbus Area Boardgaming Society space. Their website can be found here (http://www.buckeyeboardgamers.org/). At this link (http://www.buckeyeboardgamers.org/officers.htm), you'll find email addresses for the officers of CABS. There's also a phone number for one guy, who I assume we would go through for booking. Is anyone local able to volunteer to get in contact with these guys and get the ball rolling?

The official date of NHSD is October 20th, 2012. CABS does not having a meeting that day according to their online schedule! Which means the space should be available. I know that some groups meet early for whatever reason, but the second Saturday in October is booked at CABS, so the 20th would probably be our best bet to get that space. They do meet the 19th, so we could probably not get in for set up until the morning of the 20th.

A number of people have volunteered to bring maps, notably Johnnylama, Wookie (through Jonnylama), and Fedex Worker who have each said they could bring 8+ maps. Others have volunteered, but can bring only a limited number of maps, and if the above 3 brought a bunch, we would likely not need any more. Would all of you three be available to arrive early in the morning at CABS in order to set up those maps? Is anyone else local available to come help them set up maps?

When it comes to running the scoring, if I understood Johnnylama's post here (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1667973&postcount=166)correctly, he is willing to do scoring, so long as we can get the scoresheet from Mattser. Does anyone have Mattser's contact info besides just being able to PM him? Or is he still active enough to respond to PM? Note that I may have misunderstood that post and Jonnylama may have only been saying that he'd figure out the score sheet so someone else could run it. If I am, I'm sorry Johnnylama and I certainly don't mean to volunteer you for something you didn't intend to volunteer for.

Those things have all been determined, which leaves us with a few more things to determine. Format, allowable units, points, hexes, prizes, and map list. Obviously most of those things will be determined by the tournament leader. But we don't really have one. If Johnnylama doesn't want to figure those things out, I'll gladly do it. If he wants to do it, that's great too! But I'd love to hear, either way, people's thoughts on those things.

Personally I think Johnnylama's format in the post linked above sounds really fun. I'd love to play that or maybe a pooled draft. For units, I'd like to see C3V/SoV allowed, and no Marvel allowed. I think if we're going to try to keep the game alive with tournaments, then we need to align ourselves with the group that's keeping it alive with figures!

Well, I think that's all we know. There are definitely some ways to pitch in at this point, so do as much as you'd like! But ultimately I'm just glad to see that we'll have an event, whatever it takes.

[WOOKIE]

Agreed Nirek. Well put together.
In about a week, we should have most of it figured out.
I can bring over 10 maps if needed. I only have 1 Tundra though.
The format should be appealing to most. How about...


- 'Jotun Rule' Marvel. No Marvel over 220 points. Maybe unbalanced but still part of Heroscape.
- 510 point draft
-Standard 510, no Marvel or C3V.
- C3V/SOV allowed. 510

OR --
Bring two 510 armies, which cannot share any figures. C3V/SOV allowed.
Before each game, dice off with your opponent. The winner chooses first army choice or second army choice.
First army choice may choose any of the four armies (yours or your opponent's). Second choice may choose any of the other three.

[killercactus]

I can probably bring score sheets which we could use instead of a spreadsheet, or just make a spreadsheet we can use if needed.

Wookie - did that mean you're running this?

By the way - I like the "bring 2 armies" format. I also like the Rolling Rumble, but I'd prefer 550 points...

[buckeyefan837]

I like either the 510 with C3V and SoV or the "bring two 510 armies and dice off" option.

[Johnnylama]

[/B]When it comes to running the scoring, if I understood Johnnylama's post here (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1667973&postcount=166)correctly, he is willing to do scoring, so long as we can get the scoresheet from Mattser. Does anyone have Mattser's contact info besides just being able to PM him? Or is he still active enough to respond to PM? Note that I may have misunderstood that post and Jonnylama may have only been saying that he'd figure out the score sheet so someone else could run it. If I am, I'm sorry Johnnylama and I certainly don't mean to volunteer you for something you didn't intend to volunteer for.


I was offering to run a spreadsheet and keep track of everything if no on else was willing-- no one seems to be coming forward (cough...cough...anyone? Bueller? Bueller? :)), so I'm willing. If anyone else feels the urge to do it my feelings will not be hurt in the least. :)

I can probably bring score sheets which we could use instead of a spreadsheet, or just make a spreadsheet we can use if needed.

I always use paper scoresheets, and if I'm keeping track of rankings I'd be more comfortable using them. My only concern is if too many people come it might get too complicated with paper. I'd hate to use a spreadsheet and screw it all up. Let's say if no one else steps up to do scoring, I'll do it with the paper sheets I usually use. If this ends up being huge, I'll ask for someone to whip up a hard to screw up spreadsheet. :)

With that in mind, I think paper sheets might make a Rolling Rumble more appealing to me-- less downtime between matches, and a smaller pool of sheets to keep track of.

Wookie - did that mean you're running this?


Wookie has suggested that he and I offer to run this IF...

1) We get some kind of word from the Columbus Crew that they are NOT interested/ already planning on doing something.-- Come on, SOMEONE has to have a cell, email, or someway to get ahold of someone up there. If not Mattster, someone else who can ask him. We just need to know if they're already working on something or not.

2) We can line up the venue. We can't exactly put something together without a place to do it. I think Wookie is looking into it. Being out of town might complicate things. If someone in Columbus simply wants to line up a place, we could probably do the rest.

I think once these two items are resolved, we can move forward with something "official."

[Father Of Julian]

I too, can lend a hand or two if the Wookie and Johnny need me do so. Long live Heroscape!

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

From my experience, if you are running a large event, like a NHSD tournament, you can't play. There just isn't enough time. So, whoever volunteers, keep that in mind.

[killercactus]

From my experience, if you are running a large event, like a NHSD tournament, you can't play. There just isn't enough time. So, whoever volunteers, keep that in mind.

I disagree. I ran NHSD in warren with 35 or so players and I played. We used the sheets to score, and a couple people (you included I think) helped straighten them out between rounds. If its a rolling rumble, it's even easier as players are responsible for their own sheets.

I don't mind "running" the tourney once I'm there - I just don't have the time or resources right now to get the planning / setup done. Once I'm there though, I can run things or help as needed.

[GTigers55]

Personally when it comes to what figures are being used I prefer to avoid Marvel/C3V and SoV stuff. Its not that I dislike the figures I just prefer official figures.

I don't quite understand what "rolling rumble" means though. Can somebody explain that for me? I've never been to a tournament so excuse my ignorance.

~GT55

[Chill]

Personally when it comes to what figures are being used I prefer to avoid Marvel/C3V and SoV stuff. Its not that I dislike the figures I just prefer official figures.

I don't quite understand what "rolling rumble" means though. Can somebody explain that for me? I've never been to a tournament so excuse my ignorance.

~GT55

It's on the first page of this thread. :D
And personally, I agree with GTigers on the above. Not a huge issue though.

[Raudulfr Shieldcrusher]

That's true, I forgot. Assistance will be necessary though, for sure. Depending on attendance of course. Maybe I'm thinking there will be more people attending than will actually be there.


From my experience, if you are running a large event, like a NHSD tournament, you can't play. There just isn't enough time. So, whoever volunteers, keep that in mind.

I disagree. I ran NHSD in warren with 35 or so players and I played. We used the sheets to score, and a couple people (you included I think) helped straighten them out between rounds. If its a rolling rumble, it's even easier as players are responsible for their own sheets.

I don't mind "running" the tourney once I'm there - I just don't have the time or resources right now to get the planning / setup done. Once I'm there though, I can run things or help as needed.

[Johnnylama]

I wasn't planning on playing if I'm going to keep track of scoring-- I'll take one for the team! :) Wookie is looking into the venue, and we're kicking around details. If anyone can get ahold of the Columbus Crew, please do so, but we're starting to assume that they're not going to be involved. It would be very nice to have someone on the ground in Columbus to help secure the venue, but outside of that I think we can get most of this put together online.

[ManTrainChooChoo]

Most of us(The Columbus Crew) haven't really been checking the forums much recently. I'll check with everyone this weekend and see if Jacob or Matt is planning on hosting this year. When I hear back, I'll post back on this thread.

[killercactus]

Sweet - thanks Ben. I hope to see you there this year in a shirt that fits.

[dok]

Just to be safe, you should add 5 to however many people Ben says are coming.

[Johnnylama]

Most of us(The Columbus Crew) haven't really been checking the forums much recently. I'll check with everyone this weekend and see if Jacob or Matt is planning on hosting this year. When I hear back, I'll post back on this thread.
Thanks!:D:D:D

[heroscaper2010]

For dates I can't make it the 13th (my sister has IVC Championship games that day) but I could make it the 20th.

[Fedex worker]

Maybe we should make a new thread for 2012? And as for me bringing maps, realistically I could probably transport about 5 maps give-or-take, but getting them set up early could be a problem since I live like 4 hours away which is already pretty early for me. Not saying I'm not willing, but if we can make enough maps with other people then I'll only bring some if absolutely necessary

[Johnnylama]

Maybe we should make a new thread for 2012? And as for me bringing maps, realistically I could probably transport about 5 maps give-or-take, but getting them set up early could be a problem since I live like 4 hours away which is already pretty early for me. Not saying I'm not willing, but if we can make enough maps with other people then I'll only bring some if absolutely necessary

I think all of that will fall into place after we get some things set.

1) Mantrainchoochoo is contacting the Columbus Crew about their involvement.
2) As far as I know Wookie is looking into venues in case the Columbus Crew is not going to host. No venue, no event-- help on the ground in Columbus securing a venue would be appreciated even if they don't want to host.
3) Assuming CC is not doing it, Wookie and I plan to carve up most of the responsibilities along with any other volunteers. One of us will start a thread when/ if we hear from CC and secure a place.
4) I'm good for about 10 boards. Wookie is good for...who knows...the man has a ton of Scape.:) If we need more, we can work that out later. We're coming from out of town, so the earlier EVERYONE can get there to set up boards the better. I *think* two years ago (before the cancelation) attendance was in the upper 50s. Last year I think it was upper 30s/ lower 40s. I think lower/mid 30s is a realistic estimate for this year. That's not a huge number of boards.

[happyjosiah]

I'm planning to host one in Pittsburgh, but I don't want to steal people away from the Columbus event either. They're only about 3 hours away from each other...

[gamjuven]

I'm planning to host one in Pittsburgh, but I don't want to steal people away from the Columbus event either. They're only about 3 hours away from each other...

For those of you interested in the Pittsburgh tourney, here is the link:
http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=43968[/URL ([URL]http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=43968)]

[heroscaper2010]

Did anyone get an update on the venue?

[happyjosiah]

I'm planning to host one in Pittsburgh, but I don't want to steal people away from the Columbus event either. They're only about 3 hours away from each other...

For those of you interested in the Pittsburgh tourney, here is the link:

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=43968

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Link fixed.

[heroscaper2010]

Any details yet?

[Johnnylama]

Not really an update...

1. I'm waiting on hearing from ManTrainChooChoo about the Columbus Crew, but the longer it takes I figure the less likely they're planning anything.

2. Wookie has made contact with the venue we used last year, and is trying to work out details with them...there seems to be a lag between communications with them.

If we can get something solid on the venue, we can go ahead and set up a thread with or without the Columbus Crew.

That's all I know at this point!

[WOOKIE]

Still communicating with the Venue. I have been taking it slow, in hopes that anyone in Columbus wanted to manage this part instead. Give me a little more time.

Everything else should fall into place.;)

[Johnnylama]

It looks like things are starting to come together... look for a new thread with details in the next few days (hopefully).

[DragonSlayer2]

Would anyone be driving through Grove City on their way to this event? Iam at college here at Grove CIty and would still love to get in some HS. Expecially on NHSD. I normally run one in NJ on NHSD but sadly I cant this year since Iam away and dont have my collection with me.

[Johnnylama]

NHSD 2012 thread is now up! (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1675951#post1675951)