The Book of Loki

[IAmBatman]

This moves to Balantai's basement! :-)

[Balantai]

This may be my computer but it looks like the "X" Order Marker has an apostraphe instead of a parenthesis on two of the "X's". If it's just my computer, just ignore.

[Griffin]

The Xs are in parentheses for me. I suggest reviewing these in their PDF format. Sometimes the JPGS can be weird from computer to computer.

[IAmBatman]

I don't see apostrophes or parenthesis ... I see quotation marks ...

[Griffin]

I don't see apostrophes or parenthesis ... I see quotation marks ...
:duh: Me too.

I just woke up from a 30 minute nap that felt like an hour. :zombie:

[Balantai]

Must be this crappy work computer with IE version 6.0. :?

EDIT: ...and my lack of understanding of the English language.

[IAmBatman]

It should be quotation marks, right? Not parenthesis?

[Balantai]

It should be quotation marks, right? Not parenthesis?
Yes. It should be quotation marks. I've been incorrectly calling "quotation marks", "paranthesis", since about the 3rd grade.

[IAmBatman]

Gotcha. Just making sure. :-)

[Griffin]

It should be quotation marks, right? Not parenthesis?
Yes. It should be quotation marks. I've been incorrectly calling "quotation marks", "paranthesis", since about the 3rd grade.
:rofl:

[SirGalahad]

Why are there quotation marks around the "X" Order Marker? We didn't do that on other cards that reference it.

and Army Card should be capitalized in God of Mischief.

[IAmBatman]

I believe that may be official precedent from a DnD unit ... one that wasn't out when we did Wolverine/Deadpool/Sabretooth/Anti-Monitor/and Professor X. But, yeah, we do seem to have a pretty strong precedent of our own here ...

[GreyOwl]

Personally, I like it better with the "X" quotations. We could always update the other cards to be consistent, though.

[IAmBatman]

OK ... well we need a list of those cards (I think I got most of them ...) and people willing and able to do them! :-)
These aren't updates A3n would be needed for, are they? Because I really appreciate his wanting to have tunnel vision right now (and I want him to have it too!).

[GreyOwl]

I can update his cards if he just uploads them to the server.

[SirGalahad]

The only preference I have is for consistency.

And I'm working on an expansion to the Sortable Index that will make it very easy to see who has X (or "X") Order Marker powers.

[tcglkn]

Alright so is Loki correct here?

[IAmBatman]

I think it sounds like we're going to go with keeping him as is and update ... lessee ... MODOK, Professor X, Sabretooth, Wolverine, Deadpool, Anti-Monitor, and there might be some others ... :-P

[IAmBatman]

God of Evil has an issue with wording inconsistency with the precedent on Stealth Armor 15 and the Glyph of Latverian Life Spell.

It should read:

"If Loki receives one or more wounds" (so no "would").

Who can update this one?

[tcglkn]

It's mine. Give me a minute.

[IAmBatman]

Thanks - also, can you scrap the "clear sight" restriction on his teleportation? You can't have clear sight on a "space" and it's unthematic for him not to be able to teleport into buildings anyway.

[tcglkn]

Updates made. :thumbsup:

[IAmBatman]

Looks great. :-) Thanks.

[tcglkn]

No problem. I'm here to serve. But I'm going to bed now so anything else will have to wait.

[SirGalahad]

The "a"s need to be removed before the "1-4" in GOD OF MISCHIEF and before the "17 or higher" in GOD OF EVIL.

[tcglkn]

Updated! :thumbsup:

[Balantai]

Can we remove GreyOwl's draft from the first post?

[IAmBatman]

Good call. And done. :-)
Looks like we need a bio here as well. Are you game, Balantai?

[Balantai]

Sure am!

Give me some time and I'll come up with something.

[IAmBatman]

No worries. :-) We've got a couple weeks yet. Thanks!

[Balantai]

How aobut:

Mischeif, Lies and Evil. These words are the embodiment of Loki. As a child, Loki was found hidden in a Frost Giant stronghold. Odin, the ruler of Asgard, adopts Loki and raises him alongside his son, Thor. Growing up was not easy for Loki. He was often compared to Thor and since Asgardians valued strength and bravery above all else, Thor was always favored. Although Loki lacked great strength, he achieved great power through sorcery. Loki would often try to trick Thor in an attempt to prove his superiority. As Loki became an adult, these tricks became much more malicious in nature. Loki became quite jealous of Thor and combined with Loki's insatiable lust for power; he became known as the God of Evil. To this day, Loki attempts to prove his dominance over all of Asgard. Loki is a formidable opponent and has battled the Avengers on multiple occasions.

[IAmBatman]

Looks good. :-) Updating now!

[johnny139]

Anyone think a list of figures with X Order Marker special powers would be useful for the Strategies section in the first post? Or maybe even a note in each of their books.

[quozl]

Yes. :)

[Griffin]

I think the list here is what is appropriate. :up:

[johnny139]

God of Mischief allows you to place an additional X Order Marker. Units whose powers involve the X Order Marker include: Anti-Monitor (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1214891), Batman: Terry McGinnis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33040), Deadpool (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29561), Loki (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34332), M.O.D.O.K. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1221698), Professor X (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=967597), The Riddler (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1056665), and Wolverine (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29554).

(Man is that C3G Index a godsend!)

[IAmBatman]

Strategies, Tactics, and Tips updated! :-) Thanks, Johnny. Great stuff here.

[IAmBatman]

Oh, it should be noted that any units who have powers based on unrevealed Order Markers really benefit from having an extra X-Marker around as well - Graviton, for instance.

[SirGalahad]

God of Mischief allows you to place an additional X Order Marker. Units whose powers involve the X Order Marker include: Anti-Monitor (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1214891), Batman: Terry McGinnis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33040), Deadpool (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29561), Loki (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34332), M.O.D.O.K. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1221698), Professor X (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=967597), The Riddler (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1056665), and Wolverine (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29554).

(Man is that C3G Index a godsend!)

You're welcome.

~SirG, mortally

[tcglkn]

Card Art by tcglkn

[Gurei-Ornery]

Has anyone found a cheaper mini that can be repainted to look like Loki? I would pay $10, but $40+ is ridiculous.

G-O

[elitebeatk]

You can get a Thor Fast Forces Loki for about $2-4.

[Gurei-Ornery]

:thumbsup:
Thanks! Any chance I'll need Volstagg, Hogun, or Fandral from the Fast Forces 6 pack or should i just get Loki seperately?


You can get a Thor Fast Forces Loki for about $2-4.

[elitebeatk]

Troll and Toad. ;)

[tcglkn]

You will probably need them eventually. :)

[IAmBatman]

Eventually, but if you're looking for immediate return on investment, then you can probably hold off on buying them for now. I've got them, though, if that says anything to you. :-P

[Good Pig]

I'm not positive, but I don't think any of Warriors Three are drafted. That might make up a nice chunk of a Thor themed Public Design wave.

[IAmBatman]

They are not drafted. Odin is, though. :reapershrug:

[johnny139]

Perhaps the first post should be updated with the Fast Forces figure?

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Hammer of Thor: Warriors of Asgard pack.
Its model number and name are #006 / Loki.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Perhaps the first post should be updated with the Fast Forces figure?

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Hammer of Thor: Warriors of Asgard pack.

Its model number and name are #006 / Loki.

Yeah, they are identical. We tend to list any and all options, so I agree on adding, not replacing.

[johnny139]

Adding would be the obvious choice, yeah (though I can't imagine anyone in their right mind buying the super rare one!).

Also, another X figure is out now.

God of Mischief allows you to place an additional X Order Marker. Units whose powers involve the X Order Marker include: Anti-Monitor (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1214891), Batman: Terry McGinnis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33040), Deadpool (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29561), Iron Fist (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35962), Loki (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34332), M.O.D.O.K. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1221698), Professor X (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=967597), The Riddler (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1056665), and Wolverine (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29554).

[IAmBatman]

Adding would be the obvious choice, yeah (though I can't imagine anyone in their right mind buying the super rare one!).

Also, another X figure is out now.

God of Mischief allows you to place an additional X Order Marker. Units whose powers involve the X Order Marker include: Anti-Monitor (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1214891), Batman: Terry McGinnis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33040), Deadpool (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29561), Iron Fist (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35962), Loki (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=34332), M.O.D.O.K. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1221698), Professor X (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=967597), The Riddler (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1056665), and Wolverine (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=29554).

And plenty more to come over time! :-) OP updated on both accounts. Thanks, Johnny!

[Schulzy]

Can I use Loki to activate both Deadpool's and Wolveriene's healing factor simultaneously and remove two wounds each at the end of a round?

[tcglkn]

Yes you can. Or you can activate one of theirs twice. :twisted:

[IAmBatman]

The price, of course, is you have to put two Order Markers on Loki during the round. :-)

Oye, this is what I get for giving mod powers away ... :-P

[yummypie]

A link to a frost giant book that can't be accessed, interesting...

[tcglkn]

Is that something or did I just link to our Inner Santcum Discussion thread to mess with you guys? :p

[tcglkn]

Loki's card updated. Species changed to Etin.

[Griffin]

Thanks.

[quozl]

Looks misspelled. Should be "ettin".

[Griffin]

Yep, it should be "ETTIN".

[johnny139]

Looking into things, the scant resources I can see that refer to Frost Giants in the Marvel canon as "Etin" spell it with one T. The only spelling of "Ettin" refers to Frank Ettin, who reviews comics, and I don't think that's what we're looking for. :lol:

Interesting but accurate change. I assume someone came up with that during the Frost Giant brainstorming... possible synergy?

[quozl]

Looks like you're right. The Marvel Handbook does spell it with just one "t".

[IAmBatman]

Yep, pretty sure it's one "t" as well.

[tcglkn]

I thought it was one "t". :up:

[quozl]

Yep, pretty sure it's one "t" as well.

It's just a little confusing as the dictionary uses two "t"s.

[davidlhsl]

I have an idea!

God of Spelling
Start the game with an extra "T" Order Marker. At the start of any round, when placing Order Markers, you may spell Loki's species with an additional "T" Order Marker as long as at least one "T" appears in the species on this card. If you place the additional "T" Order Marker after rolling for initiative, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 1-4, choose a C3G Hero to punch you in the face.

[IAmBatman]

Are you sure you weren't reading the dicttionary? :-P

[IAmBatman]

Choose me! Choose me! :-D

[johnny139]

Yep, pretty sure it's one "t" as well.

It's just a little confusing as the dictionary uses two "t"s.

Welll, I don' think Ettin would be INaccurate, just not the Marvel version. Things tend to get gummed up when you translate them from Old Norse.

[yummypie]

Frost Giant brainstorming
I knew it wasn't just a trick.

Also, I was thinking for a while that you should change his species. I thought they were called jotun though?:confused:

[tcglkn]

You never know, johnny was just making a guess. He knows just as much about this as you. ;)

[johnny139]

Yeah, but I have a pretty good track record. :p

[Griffin]

I didn't know Marvel spelled it with one "t". Every Norse source (say that five times fast), I had/found spelled it with two.

[johnny139]

Well, you can call Marvel comics a lot of things, but "accurate portrayals of Norse mythology" is not on that list. :lol:

[quozl]

At least they didn't spell his name Lowkey.

[Griffin]

Well, you can call Marvel comics a lot of things, but "accurate portrayals of Norse mythology" is not on that list. :lol:
Yeah I know. For example, Laufey is actually Loki's mother's name. His father's name is Farbauti. There are many creative liberties taken by Marvel on Norse mythology, so many in fact, I can't keep up. :lol:

[DEATHWALKER 1970]

As a descendant from vikings, living in a city founded by vikings, and being a product of a school system that emphasised our viking heritage in several different classes, mainly history, geography and danish (like your english), in a culture that is generally proud of our glorious past (mainly because it´s the only period in history where we were seriously bad @$$ and feared all over Europe), and with a personal interest beyond that, I´ve been, let´s say, bemused by the Marvel interpretation of Asgård many a time. And let´s not forget that the very basic concept of classic Heroscape takes it´s inspiration from (and "interpret"s the snot out of in a very postmodern shake`n`bake fashion) the warrior culture phenomenon of slain heroes going to eternal glory...

Both Heroscape and the Marvel Thor mythos are very far from the original source material, but Odin help me, I LOVE it!

[Lord Pyre]

I'm still liking him at 420.
Highlights of that test were when LP said Loki should cost $20 and when he teamed Loki with "Boob." :-D You're a riot, LP.

Heh, Bats, didn't you know me enough by then to realize that my name isn't spelled k-a-r-a-t? :p

Loved the $20 part though ;)

[IAmBatman]

:lol: It was a while ago.

[chas]

:( Please note that I have been unable to download the PDFs. They come up as blank with no text.

[Strange_Love]

Some of mine did not come up when I clicked on them but now it is working fine.

Sorry you are having trouble Chas

[dok]

One last question (I hope) on my day of C3G confusion.

Is the "after rolling for initiative" evaluated before or after powers that trigger "if you win initiative"? I am guessing before, right?

[MegaSilver]

Hmm... How would we work Loki's ability into the OHS App? :ponder:

[quozl]

One last question (I hope) on my day of C3G confusion.

Is the "after rolling for initiative" evaluated before or after powers that trigger "if you win initiative"? I am guessing before, right?

Honestly, I don't think it was thought about. If there is a conflict and you control both conflicting figures, C3G has said you get to decide. If another player controls the conflicting figure, you should roll a 20-sided die to see which happens first.

[dok]

Hmm... How would we work Loki's ability into the OHS App? :ponder:
I just told weebaer "and the other X is on Joker". It was pretty obvious so I didn't care at the time. If I had wanted to disguise things, I could have used multiple logins to submit multiple sets of OMs, and just labeled some of them as "dummy" OMs.

[Hahma]

One last question (I hope) on my day of C3G confusion.

Is the "after rolling for initiative" evaluated before or after powers that trigger "if you win initiative"? I am guessing before, right?

I play that "after rolling initiative" power is played before "if you win initiative" power, because "after rolling" requires no qualifier other than having to roll initiative first, whereas "if you win" requires you to roll for initiative and then you must have won it. So IMO, that slight difference is enough to give the edge to "after rolling" coming first.

[SirGalahad]

Agreed

[ibechief]

One last question (I hope) on my day of C3G confusion.

Is the "after rolling for initiative" evaluated before or after powers that trigger "if you win initiative"? I am guessing before, right?

I play that "after rolling initiative" power is played before "if you win initiative" power, because "after rolling" requires no qualifier other than having to roll initiative first, whereas "if you win" requires you to roll for initiative and then you must have won it. So IMO, that slight difference is enough to give the edge to "after rolling" coming first.

Good breakdown here Hahma.

[dok]

Thanks guys. This was my guess as well but I figured I'd ask.

[weebaer]

Is Loki allowed to use 2 X oms in one turn for a double teleport? this is not addressed in his FAQ so I was just curious.

[Hellfire]

Is Loki allowed to use 2 X oms in one turn for a double teleport? this is not addressed in his FAQ so I was just curious.

DECEPTIVE TELEPORTATION
After taking a turn with Loki, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and place Loki on an empty space within 8 clear sight spaces. When Loki starts to Teleport, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

I don't believe so ... his use of "an" (one) "X" OM, appears to be contingent upon the player taking a turn w/ Loki. In order to use another "X" OM he needs to take another turn.

But I'm sure someone can clarify this better than I. As of now though, that's how I read it.

[IAmBatman]

I concur with your interpretation here, Hellfire.

[MegaSilver]

Yeah, with the X OM reveal you're just teleporting, not taking another turn.