C3V Promotions Department - For all your promotional needs!

[LordEsenwienIV]

The C3V Promotions Department can handle all your PMing needs. If you have to ask anything to C3V just shoot me a PM and I'll let the Sanctum know. I'll take any PM you send but playtests (Which are handled by taeblewalker, Viegon, Filthy the Clown and Doe138)





Unreleased units:






Havech Eradicators (Common Squad)


Vulcanmech Incendiborgs (Unique Squad)


Locksley (Unique Hero)


Skeletons of Annellinta (Common Squad)

[Chardar]

What we know.

There will be a unit with the name "Haduc".

Haduc is an anagram of Dauch.

Probable units.

Cyprien's Skeleton Cavalry.

The Ninth Elf Wizard.

Dreadguls.

Cowboy squad.

The Mariedians.

Ronin and Mounted Samurai.

Aquilla's Flagbearer.

Primadons.

Valkrill's Flagbearer.

Possible Figures.

http://battlemind.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/100_1271-dwarf-standard1.jpg?w=225&h=300
http://img2.mlstatic.com/jm/img?s=MLB&f=108152708_8994.jpg&v=O
http://ddm-images.s3.amazonaws.com/miniatures/1857.jpg


Random Information.

The Kyrie are designed to look like angels, not birdmen. The Raptorian is a race of anthropomorphic bird slaveowners, not men with wings.
http://tiltedperspective.com/images/Tengu.jpg

"Our design team knows what it's doing."

[tcglkn]

What sort of release will the first release be? A Master Set, Wave or Exclusive figure?

[Chardar]

What sort of release will the first release be? A Master Set, Wave or Exclusive figure?

Don't know. I'm hoping for a wave.

[DeathDoom]

We know that Robbdaman said Griffin may be interested in this figure, the Tempest Priest from Mage Knight:
http://img2.mlstatic.com/jm/img?s=MLB&f=108152708_8994.jpg&v=O
The idea of a ninth elf wizard has been tossed about, soooooo...

[tcglkn]

How about the 3 off guys from the broken squad to be painted green and have a Unique Squad of Green Mountain Militia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Mountain_Boys).

;)

[IAmBatman]

I'm really pulling for some more historic stuff soon. :-) But I'm not sure what the designers have been up to.

[Taeblewalker]

As long as we get the Lizardfolk hero, I'm happy!
Also, I'd like to know if the Ronin will have the class Ronin. If so, he can't be activated by Kato, but that's fine.
And a Mohican Shaman with a Vision Quest power, and the ability to summon common hero animal spirits!
C3V is free to pillage these ideas.

[Griffin]

I think a Lizard Hero is probably pretty likely.

[Lord Pyre]

Woah, so we're already designing? I'm really surprised, I expected this to be discussed for a LOT longer!

Cool, can't wait to see some ideas!

[IAmBatman]

Haduc ... hmm ... sounds like that HORDAC character from Batman The Animated Series to me. Maybe something related to the Deathwalker faction? ;-)

[tcglkn]

I hope we can boost the Deathwalkers, they need some help.

[Griffin]

I hope we can boost the Deathwalkers, they need some help.
That isn't my biggest priority right now, but is one to be sure.

[DragonSlayer2]

And a Mohican Shaman with a Vision Quest power, and the ability to summon common hero animal spirits!



Something along those lines would be really cool. Maybe a bear, wolf, some kind of bird, hog, fox......something related to the indian theme.

I like that idea. I would definately buy that. I guess he could make his own pack with spirit animals.

DragonSlayer2

[Taeblewalker]

And a Mohican Shaman with a Vision Quest power, and the ability to summon common hero animal spirits!



Something along those lines would be really cool. Maybe a bear, wolf, some kind of bird, hog, fox......something related to the indian theme.

I like that idea. I would definately buy that. I guess he could make his own pack with spirit animals.

DragonSlayer2

There are a number of DnD minis animals, including a bear, badger, wolf, cougar, wolverine, etc., that would make a great pack.

[Chardar]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/Chardar94/IMGP1915.jpg

The dnd minis Blessed Hunter might be a good choice for a Shaman

[Megatron]

Will this be able to be produced in enough quantity to be available to everyone?

[IAmBatman]

Are you talking about Haduc?
There are no plans for C3V to make miniatures or anything at this point - just community available cards.
I like your avatar btw - I'm a Lions fan for life. :-)

[Megatron]

Are you talking about Haduc?
There are no plans for C3V to make miniatures or anything at this point - just community available cards.
I like your avatar btw - I'm a Lions fan for life. :-)

Thanks for the info. GO LIONS!!!!! :rock:

[IAmBatman]

Woot. :-P

[Majora's Incarnation]

You fiends! Haha I haven't even got the chance to get my D3 in the mail! May I introduce the possibly of familiars? I mean, The Retchets are the only beings in Heroscape(that I can think of) that required summoning from "off" the board. Demon familiars somewhere along the lines of Castlevania: Curse of Darkness' Innocent Devils would provide exterior support to any wizard, sorceror or spider demon familiars for the arachnomancers.

[IAmBatman]

Cool ideas, Majora's.

[Megatron]

You fiends! Haha I haven't even got the chance to get my D3 in the mail! May I introduce the possibly of familiars? I mean, The Retchets are the only beings in Heroscape(that I can think of) that required summoning from "off" the board. Demon familiars somewhere along the lines of Castlevania: Curse of Darkness' Innocent Devils would provide exterior support to any wizard, sorceror or spider demon familiars for the arachnomancers.


The airborne elite drop, but I guess that's not considered summoning. As a suggestion, perhaps the skeletal army of Cyprien can have the ability to summon next to him from off the board?

[DeathDoom]

You fiends! Haha I haven't even got the chance to get my D3 in the mail! May I introduce the possibly of familiars? I mean, The Retchets are the only beings in Heroscape(that I can think of) that required summoning from "off" the board. Demon familiars somewhere along the lines of Castlevania: Curse of Darkness' Innocent Devils would provide exterior support to any wizard, sorceror or spider demon familiars for the arachnomancers.


The airborne elite drop, but I guess that's not considered summoning. As a suggestion, perhaps the skeletal army of Cyprien can have the ability to summon next to him from off the board?
I believe that's actually in Cyprien's and Iskra's bios (Cyprien is trying to summon his armies with the help of the wellsprings, and Iskra summons the Rechets from another plane.) Summoning could become a theme for Feylundian vampires.

[Chardar]

Haduc Esenwein. I like the sound of that.

[IAmBatman]

Hmmm .... very interesting ....

[Megatron]

You fiends! Haha I haven't even got the chance to get my D3 in the mail! May I introduce the possibly of familiars? I mean, The Retchets are the only beings in Heroscape(that I can think of) that required summoning from "off" the board. Demon familiars somewhere along the lines of Castlevania: Curse of Darkness' Innocent Devils would provide exterior support to any wizard, sorceror or spider demon familiars for the arachnomancers.


The airborne elite drop, but I guess that's not considered summoning. As a suggestion, perhaps the skeletal army of Cyprien can have the ability to summon next to him from off the board?
I believe that's actually in Cyprien's and Iskra's bios (Cyprien is trying to summon his armies with the help of the wellsprings, and Iskra summons the Rechets from another plane.) Summoning could become a theme for Feylundian vampires.

Yeah, that's what I was implying.

[Buck]

Expanding my Drow and Elementals with D&D minis is high on my customs priority list. Almost done with my Colossal Red Dragon, but I'm having a little trouble getting his points right. I thought going with UnderDark stuff was the right direction. Mixed feelings right now about sending more money WotC's way, but they got a lot of content I like.

[PHippo]

I'm really pulling for some more historic stuff soon. :-) But I'm not sure what the designers have been up to.

I like the sounds of this, we really need some:

Ronin
more Native Americans
Persian Immortals

just to name a few.

[Lamaclown]

It will be a &^$(*&^ from (*&%#* who fights for &^%(!&*(&.

Hmm... something seems to be wrong with my computer keyboard. Sorry.

:D ;)

[Kaemon Awa 123]

It will be a &^$(*&^ from (*&%#* who fights for &^%(!&*(&.

Hmm... something seems to be wrong with my computer keyboard. Sorry.

:D ;)
I'm gonna start using some of those words at you if you don't get that keyboard fixed.


:joke:

[Chardar]

It will be a &^$(*&^ from (*&%#* who fights for &^%(!&*(&.

Hmm... something seems to be wrong with my computer keyboard. Sorry.

:D ;)
I'm gonna start using some of those words at you if you don't get that keyboard fixed.


Be careful or he won't make new scape. :twisted:

[Chardar]

New Leak!

Nice fig. What's this talk of a Minotaur squad though? There was only one Minotaur. Unique Hero all the way.

Probably a large figure. I could see a large hero with a medium squad to fill out the Minotaur faction. Maybe add in a large uncommon or common hero just to be OCD.

[DeathDoom]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.

[tcglkn]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.

Or is it? 8)

Man I love being on the inside.

[Rich10]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.According to wikipedia, "The use of minotaur as a common noun to refer to members of a generic race of bull-headed creatures developed much later, in 20th-century fantasy genre fiction."

I think that there was also only one Hydra.

[tcglkn]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.I think that there was also only one Hydra.

And its heads doubled... Whose up for another version of the Fen Hydra that starts with 4 attacks and gets an additional one for each wound? 8)

[IAmBatman]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.I think that there was also only one Hydra.

And its heads doubled... Whose up for another version of the Fen Hydra that starts with 4 attacks and gets an additional one for each wound? 8)

Well, you'd have to take the "Fen" off and start it with one attack and go up from there, but otherwise, sure. :-P

[tcglkn]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.I think that there was also only one Hydra.

And its heads doubled... Whose up for another version of the Fen Hydra that starts with 4 attacks and gets an additional one for each wound? 8)

Well, you'd have to take the "Fen" off and start it with one attack and go up from there, but otherwise, sure. :-P

How many lives would it get? I could see it have infinite lives with a certain (not too hard) way to kill it. Like you can fight it smart, or you can fight it stupidly, just like in mythology.

[IAmBatman]

More than four or five lives would likely be broken.

[Rich10]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.I think that there was also only one Hydra.

And its heads doubled... Whose up for another version of the Fen Hydra that starts with 4 attacks and gets an additional one for each wound? 8)

Well, you'd have to take the "Fen" off and start it with one attack and go up from there, but otherwise, sure. :-P

How many lives would it get? I could see it have infinite lives with a certain (not too hard) way to kill it. Like you can fight it smart, or you can fight it stupidly, just like in mythology.From a mythological standpoint, you would have to burn the stump after you cut off the head to prevent new heads from coming up. While this doesn't translate too well to heroscape, maybe one wound per attack would make the hydra stronger; two wounds per attack would make the hydra weaker. This could make the hydra a beast against squads and susceptible to heroes. From a gameplay perspective, this might be to messy. It would just be easier to give the hydra extra defense against squads.

[IAmBatman]

NEW HEAD GROWTH
If Hydra would only take one wound from a normal attack, you may ignore that wound. Instead, you may place one Hydra Head Marker on this card. Hydra receives one additional attack each turn for every Hydra Head Marker on this card. You may never place more than four Hydra Head Markers on this card.

Or something like that. Then give it a fairly low life/defense combo, like 4 life, 2 or 3 defense.

[Griffin]

So are we speculating here or designing? :p

[Majora's Incarnation]

I think he meant that, in the Greek mythology, there is only one minotaur.According to wikipedia, "The use of minotaur as a common noun to refer to members of a generic race of bull-headed creatures developed much later, in 20th-century fantasy genre fiction."

I think that there was also only one Hydra.
John Milton never thought so :p

[Lord Pyre]

So are we speculating here or designing? :p

Well, what is there to speculate about? Is anyone even designing, yet? All we have now is just the normal wants and guesses by the community that have been around for years.

And where'd the name Haduc come from anyway? Did one of the "heroes" or whatever they're called over here leak that?

[tcglkn]

Haduc is a name of a unit that will eventually get released. 8)

[killercactus]

Everyone talking about the Greek Hydra (the Lernaean Hydra, to be exact), should check out the Greek Mythology Customs Project (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33292). The Hydra is currently the unit we're designing.

It's pretty sickening right now, though it's way more points than a Fen Hydra and has lower survivability.

[quozl]

Haduc is a name of a unit that will eventually get released. 8)

Will it get a better name?

[Griffin]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)

[Agent Minivann]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)

He speaks truth.

[nyys]

I'm still waiting for it to grow.

[IAmBatman]

Haduc is a name of a unit that will eventually get released. 8)

Will it get a better name?

Haduc is an awesome name with a riddle hidden inside. 8)

[Yodaking]

What is with all the C3V talk of late? I still have not even gotten a single response to the PMs I sent in concerning the C3V membership survey. Kind of hard to be working on the project already if they haven't even followed up with those yet.

[robbdaman]

What is with all the C3V talk of late? I still have not even gotten a single response to the PMs I sent in concerning the C3V membership survey. Kind of hard to be working on the project already if they haven't even followed up with those yet.

Yodaking announcements have been made in the C3V Public Announcements Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33420). Only certain people were contacted directly regarding membership.

[1Mmirg]

What is with all the C3V talk of late? I still have not even gotten a single response to the PMs I sent in concerning the C3V membership survey. Kind of hard to be working on the project already if they haven't even followed up with those yet.

We received a remarkable number of PMs for the C3V. We didn't respond individually to any, but took the names back to the larger group for discussion. Decisions were very hard. Even as it is the core members of the C3V is much larger than the C3G.

I know that I personally had to pass over some excellent people and choices to get where we are now. We just didn't want too many chefs in the kitchen (and even as it is, I personally feel we are fairly large and unwieldy--but getting better and working things through well).

Also, there will be many opportunities for public involvement in the C3V as well as 2 people each month having a chance to go "inside" and get involved. And I believe that we'll see shifts and changes in membership in coming months. Get involved and help out and you'll have a chance to make a mark.

Hope that helps a little. Our goal is to involve as many people as we feasibly can, in many different ways. We're still working on it.

[Taeblewalker]

Our design team knows what it's doing.
-Lord Haduc of the Fithp

[tcglkn]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)

He speaks truth.

:rofl: I agree, the name has really grown on me.

[Chardar]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)

He speaks truth.

I say he was "screaming".

[Lord Pyre]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)

He speaks truth.

I say he was "screaming".

Oh-ho-ho, I get it now. I was looking for an anagram, just not in the right place.

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)
Aha!
This can "grow" on me pretty quick:


Haduc
Common Hero
Mold
Monster
Vile
Small 3
1 life
5 move
1 range
1 attack
3 defence
10-20 points
Mold Infect:
Instead of attacking with a Haduc, you may use Mold Infect. Choose a small or medium figure adjacent to any Haduc you control, and roll the 20-sided die. If it is a squad figure and you roll a 12 or higher, replace it with one of your previously destroyed Haducs. If it is a hero, a 19 or higher. Mold Monsters are not affected by Mold Infect.
Mold Monster Bonding
After revealing an order marker on a Haduc, before taking a turn with that Haduc you may take a turn with any other Mold Monster you control
Ooze 2
A Haduc adds 2 to its height when moving up or down levels of terrain.

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... that's quite an opinion you have of someone. :-P

[UtahScott]

Cry "Haduc!" and let slip the dogs of war...Something like that. ;)

[Heroscaper62]

You mentioned an Aquilla flagbearer, so why not a Valkrill one too?

[Chardar]

You mentioned an Aquilla flagbearer, so why not a Valkrill one too?

Updated the OP.

[krysto2002]

You know what would rock? If raptorians were birds. Awesomest. Idea. Ever!
(Ps a raptor is a kind of bird and REAL raptors are related to birds as well, many even had feathers!)
Now that's an idea... bird-men... how about potential candidates:
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mzwjMwJ04WP7x-dVGPtarYg/80.jpg http://ddm-images.s3.amazonaws.com/miniatures/0656.jpg - the Kenku from DDM seem like candidates to some degree...http://ddm-images.s3.amazonaws.com/miniatures/1857.jpg but this is just too awesome to let go unnoticed
Otherwise, haven't found much yet.

[DeathDoom]

I've looked around A LOT for my Raptorian customs, but I haven't found a single bird.

[Chardar]

I've looked around A LOT for my Raptorian customs, but I haven't found a single bird.

I don't know if the raptorians are male or female, but harpies might be a good option.

http://hive.crystalcommerce.com/photo/file/1158/99624/large/Harpy.jpg
http://hive.crystalcommerce.com/photo/file/558/42764/large/Desert_of_Desolation_-_055_Shrieking_Harpy.jpg

[robbdaman]

Haduc will grow on you, that is no lie. ;)
Aha!
This can "grow" on me pretty quick:


Haduc
Common Hero
Mold
Monster
Vile
Small 3
1 life
5 move
1 range
1 attack
3 defence
10-20 points
Mold Infect:
Instead of attacking with a Haduc, you may use Mold Infect. Choose a small or medium figure adjacent to any Haduc you control, and roll the 20-sided die. If it is a squad figure and you roll a 12 or higher, replace it with one of your previously destroyed Haducs. If it is a hero, a 19 or higher. Mold Monsters are not affected by Mold Infect.
Mold Monster Bonding
After revealing an order marker on a Haduc, before taking a turn with that Haduc you may take a turn with any other Mold Monster you control
Ooze 2
A Haduc adds 2 to its height when moving up or down levels of terrain.


Go forth and slay my enemies Haduc! ;)

http://stahlfell.de/dreamblade/photos/storage/1000.20.787.16.jpg

[IAmBatman]

Mmm ... that looks like some (old) spinach I have in my fridge ... :puke:

[Lamaclown]

Mmm ... that looks like some (old) spinach I have in my fridge ... :puke:
Not anymore, just needed some salt... oh, and you are out of milk.

[IAmBatman]

:-( I like milk.

[AMIS]

No offense to the raptorians (bird men) fans but we already have the Kyrie. So I'm not sold on it being a different enough to make a new race. Although that is a sweet sculpt.

Are the GMB (green mountian boys) a go?
I know the 4th are in short supply but with so many using a 10th as Sam then they'll still have 3 figures to paint green.

[IAmBatman]

So, has everyone figured out the riddle of Haduc?

[Chardar]

So, has everyone figured out the riddle of Haduc?

Lord Pyre got it a few pages back, but I don't know if anyone else did.

[robbdaman]

Hmmm... Spinach? He's like Popeye! ;)

[Lamaclown]

I get it!
It is an anagram, but, why are we naming a figure after Chad Underwood (http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/underwood_chad00.html)? :confused:

[atmospro]

I think this riddle of Haduc is fishy in a cheesy sort of way;)

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... now I want a tuna melt ...

[quozl]

That reminds me: does anyone know who Samuel Brown was named after?

[IAmBatman]

Sam Adams and the color of his coat? :-P

[tcglkn]

I think this riddle of Haduc is fishy in a cheesy sort of way;)

I thought it was cheesy in a fishy way.... :)

[Taeblewalker]

I get it! He's the Voice of Reason from Malcolm's Revenge, and he wants a fish cream sandwich.

[Majora's Incarnation]

No offense to the raptorians (bird men) fans but we already have the Kyrie. So I'm not sold on it being a different enough to make a new race. Although that is a sweet sculpt.

Are the GMB (green mountian boys) a go?
I know the 4th are in short supply but with so many using a 10th as Sam then they'll still have 3 figures to paint green.
The Kyrie are designed to look like angels, not birdmen. The Raptorians are a race of anthropomorphic bird slaveowners, not warriors with wings.

http://tiltedperspective.com/images/Tengu.jpg

Sorry, I'm a legit species creator. :p

[Chardar]

I added a "random information" section to the OP to showcase some of the posts here.

[DeathDoom]

I think this riddle of Haduc is fishy in a cheesy sort of way;)

I thought it was cheesy in a fishy way.... :)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I think I get it now... unless I don't.

[Rich10]

That reminds me: does anyone know who Samuel Brown was named after?Colonel Samuel Brown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_(Boston)

[Griffin]

I think this riddle of Haduc is fishy in a cheesy sort of way;)

I thought it was cheesy in a fishy way.... :)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I think I get it now... unless I don't.
You don't. If you got it, you would know for certain. ;)

[IAmBatman]

Ain't that the truth!

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Ain't that the truth!
Tsk-Tsk... use proper grammars. ;)

[IAmBatman]

Touche. ;-)

[Majora's Incarnation]

Ain't that the truth!
I GOT IT!!! :D :D :D So simple now!! :lol: And extremely deserved.

[Chardar]

Now here's the next riddle. What type of unit is worthy of such an honor?

[DeathDoom]

Charlie the Tuna?

[Agent Minivann]

Charlie the Tuna?

Crap, was it that obvious?

[DeathDoom]

Charlie the Tuna?

Crap, was it that obvious?
No, I spent 30 minutes Googling before I actually tried saying it out loud.

EDIT: Unless that's sarcasm.
And EDIT again: And feel free to delete my post if I just spoiled it for everybody.

[quozl]

Now here's the next riddle. What type of unit is worthy of such an honor?

A summoner?

[Griffin]

A better Riddle:

There once were two who were barely used, then came one who was rarely found in twos.

Along came 4 who could ask for more, with just one other to help out his brothers.

All but complete, there was a pretender, but when it came to support their turns he would hinder.

And now we have him, the last one to name, the others much like him to join in their fame.

Can you now guess who it is I allude, or are you still ignorant if I may be so rude?

[quozl]

Haduc the Viking Champion

What will his powers be?

[Griffin]

Haduc the Viking Champion

What will his powers be?
A good guess to be sure, but not on the money. Their personality is right but your math is still funny.

[Majora's Incarnation]

Sir Haduc :D Because Sir Dupuis and Sir Dendrick are rarely used (in my case) And the one who never comes in twos is Sir Gilbert. The 4 are the knights of Weston, and the pretender is Sir Hawthorne. Hahaha! And the personality is valiant

[Griffin]

Sir Haduc :D Because Sir Dupuis and Sir Dendrick are rarely used (in my case) And the one who never comes in twos is Sir Gilbert. The 4 are the knights of Weston, and the pretender is Sir Hawthorne. Hahaha! And the personality is valiant
with just one other to help out his brothers.

You missed one. ;)

[quozl]

Or perhaps Haduc the 9th Elf Wizard?

[Griffin]

Or perhaps Haduc the 9th Elf Wizard?
Good guess, I wonder....

[Viegon]

Or perhaps Haduc the 9th Elf Wizard?
Good guess, I wonder....

Your right, I think, the riddle seems to say that Haduc is the ninth elf wizard:


There once were two who were barely used, then came one who was rarely found in twos.

Morsbane and Kyntela, and then Acolarh.

Along came 4 who could ask for more, with just one other to help out his brothers.

Ulginesh, Arkmer, Emirroon, and Jorhdawn are the four since they came together, and Chardris is the one other because he came by himself.

All but complete, there was a pretender, but when it came to support their turns he would hinder.

Sonlen is the pretender.

And anyways, lots of people have wanted the ninth elf wizard for awhile, so that seems like a great place to start.

[Corzan]

Definitely with Vigeon on this one. His guess sounds really accurate.

[tcglkn]

Good guesses, now what will the C3V 9th Elf Wizard do? :p

[I Hate Atlaga]

Turn your WoA into penguins with machine guns. With ripped pants.

[krysto2002]

Good guesses, now what will the C3V 9th Elf Wizard do? :p

Probably an ecomancer... or something like that (controls nature/plants)

[I Hate Atlaga]

I bet I was right, not you krysto:neener:. Because seriously, a dude that transforms elves into punk penguins with automatic weapons. :passout:

[Majora's Incarnation]

Attack bonus for the Order of the Crimson Sigil, or a better defense bonus, range bonus.....or maybe Elf Resurrection :p

[krysto2002]

I bet I was right, not you krysto:neener:. Because seriously, a dude that transforms elves into punk penguins with automatic weapons. :passout:

I'll bet you I'm right... if you are right, then I'll rep you for your awesome guess. (Because I too would LOVE that!)

[Justin The Critic]

I just want the reinforcements to finally arrive!

[I Hate Atlaga]

I need to do a photoshop project on that. . . It'd be awesome. . .

Except that I suck at photoshop. Anyone else want to try it?

[IAmBatman]

I just want the reinforcements to finally arrive!

That's more C3G territory ... :-P

[Prometheus]

You fiends! Haha I haven't even got the chance to get my D3 in the mail! May I introduce the possibly of familiars? I mean, The Retchets are the only beings in Heroscape(that I can think of) that required summoning from "off" the board. Demon familiars somewhere along the lines of Castlevania: Curse of Darkness' Innocent Devils would provide exterior support to any wizard, sorceror or spider demon familiars for the arachnomancers.


The airborne elite drop, but I guess that's not considered summoning. As a suggestion, perhaps the skeletal army of Cyprien can have the ability to summon next to him from off the board?
I believe that's actually in Cyprien's and Iskra's bios (Cyprien is trying to summon his armies with the help of the wellsprings, and Iskra summons the Rechets from another plane.) Summoning could become a theme for Feylundian vampires.

Yeah, that's what I was implying.

But thematically, Cyprien would need to be at a wellspring. Unless we started getting Summoner Wars-type units with magic stones that let them teleport their armies around.

[Prometheus]

It will be a &^$(*&^ from (*&%#* who fights for &^%(!&*(&.

Hmm... something seems to be wrong with my computer keyboard. Sorry.

:D ;)
if those are the same lengths as the real words (which might not be the case) i'm going with (assuming they're stuff we've seen befor)e:

Valkrill for the general

In the first word, Class or Race, i'm not sure, but
Races(no Marvel Races): Cyclops, Eladrin, Firbolg, Goliath, Halfelf, Moltarn, Wulsinu


classes: Divider, Duchess, Emperor, Fighter, Paladin, Psychic, Samurai, Soldier, Stinger, Warhulk, Warlord, Warrior,

Planet: Icaria

i really don't have anything better to do.

[Prometheus]

Where is this riddle?

[Prometheus]

no, no, Ecomancer=the only one who can heal the economy around here! :D

[Prometheus]

Earlier: the best fits seem to be, out of those lists: Icaria(dragon), Valkrill(needs a unique Hero), Emperor(Zelrig, a dragon, is the only Emperor)

In second:

A Valkrill Samurain for icaria. icaria needs some Human Units, but a samurai for Valkrill might nor work.

or something else fantasy:

a Valkrill Cyclops from Icaria. Don't really know enough about Icaria to stake anything on having another fantasy race there.

[Majora's Incarnation]

Earlier: the best fits seem to be, out of those lists: Icaria(dragon), Valkrill(needs a unique Hero), Emperor(Zelrig, a dragon, is the only Emperor)

In second:

A Valkrill Samurain for icaria. icaria needs some Human Units, but a samurai for Valkrill might nor work.

or something else fantasy:

a Valkrill Cyclops from Icaria. Don't really know enough about Icaria to stake anything on having another fantasy race there.
remember Valkrill is pure mindless chaos. Focus on the unit name/class that would fit the MOST relentless, mindless, subservient unit possible lol

[09167]

just so I'm not confused, but this is fans, creating customs the official way, but not entirely "official" right? :P

[tcglkn]

We're hoping this is the next official direction of HeroScape for as long as it is out of production.

[Fuzzie Fuzz]

So I get that Haduc doesn't lie, but I still can't figure out where the name comes from. Halp?

[Chardar]

So I get that Haduc doesn't lie, but I still can't figure out where the name comes from. Halp?

Think about it. If he's not lying than he's telling the *****?

[Fuzzie Fuzz]

So I get that Haduc doesn't lie, but I still can't figure out where the name comes from. Halp?

Think about it. If he's not lying than he's telling the *****?

Yeah, I know who he is named after, and what the actual name of the unit is. I just don't know how ***** translates to Haduc.

[robbdaman]

Perhaps if ***** was called by another name, say a name he was given at birth or something like that....

[machinekng]

This now makes perfect sense.

Becasue *****'s **** **** ** *****.

Perfect sense.

[IAmBatman]

This now makes perfect sense.

Becasue *****'s **** **** ** *****.

Perfect sense.

Yes. Exactly. :-) And Haduc ** ***** re********.

[Chardar]

Yes. Exactly. And Haduc is *a*** re*rr****d.

Am I close? ;)

[IAmBatman]

Yes. Exactly. And Haduc is *a*** re*rr****d.

Am I close? ;)

Yeah, isn't that what I just said? :-P

[Anitar]

Perhaps if ***** was called by another name, say a name he was given at birth or something like that....
Not technically true; the name to be called was given long before *****'s birth.

[IAmBatman]

Perhaps if ***** was called by another name, say a name he was given at birth or something like that....
Not technically true; the name to be called was given long before *****'s birth.

But it was given to others then, not yet to him.

[Anitar]

Perhaps if ***** was called by another name, say a name he was given at birth or something like that....
Not technically true; the name to be called was given long before *****'s birth.

But it was given to others then, not yet to him.

Exactly. I never specified to whom it was given before.

Also I'm pretty sure you weren't supposed to have used a gendered pronoun.

[Prometheus]

******** ****(ad at the top of the home page): a game by *****(1) *****(2) (aka NotLies) Haduc is a rearrangement of the letters of *****(2).

[Prometheus]

Actually Valkrill the Valkyrie Sargeant, by my estimation, represents the "elite" of Utgar's chaotic minions. The Bugbears push the Goblins around, The Death Knights are clearly not cannon fodder like the Zombies, Mezzodemons are not the type to die much, and the DCoT are more the cannon-fodder type (being orcs) but they are clearly above the Gruts. Of course, the 1st blank might not be a race or class. Finn's a "viking" but that's not his class. Or There might be a new world, class, race. Or there's no relation to the length of the "bleeps"

[Buck]

Wow. I'm pretty sure it's been spelled out for me every which way, and I still don't get it. Haduc...

[Agent Minivann]

What's up Doc?

[DeathDoom]

>.<
I get it. a third time.

[Trekkie]

can we get mummies? How about an Aztec priest with crazy magical powers (unless there's already one)? Or a vampire that can change weak opponents into minions...oh, and soulborgs are always nice. And I don't think I get this Haduc thing at all gaiz but oh well

[Prometheus]

Really want to know the answer?
Truth's real name is Colby Dauch. Haduc=Dauch rearranged, i'm pretty sure.

[sixthflagbearer]

Really want to know the answer?
Truth's real name is Colby Dauch. Haduc=Dauch rearranged, i'm pretty sure.
and since the unused name is colby, it will be a vakrillian cheese maker!

[Taeblewalker]

Or how about a cheese marker? A little yellow token painted like swiss cheese?

"Blessed are the cheesemakers?"
"It's not meant to be taken literally. It refers to all manufacturers of dairy products."

[DeathDoom]

Would the unofficial equivalent be those cardboard wedges of cheese from the Mousetrap game?

[tcglkn]

Would the unofficial equivalent be those cardboard wedges of cheese from the Mousetrap game?

:shock: He's on to us. :runaway:

[sixthflagbearer]

I think this riddle of Haduc is fishy in a cheesy sort of way;)

I thought it was cheesy in a fishy way.... :)
The ninth elf wizard will control water!!! Colby is also a type of cheese!:jawdrop:

[Chardar]

Really want to know the answer?
Truth's real name is Colby Dauch. Haduc=Dauch rearranged, i'm pretty sure.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Prometheus again."

[ZBeeblebrox]

Really want to know the answer?
Truth's real name is Colby Dauch. Haduc=Dauch rearranged, i'm pretty sure.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Prometheus again."

+Rep covered Char...

[Prometheus]

Wow. I got +rep from 3 people just for that?

[tcglkn]

Wow. I got +rep from 3 people just for that?

We were hinting at that for a while, I liked the way you put it. 8)

[Buck]

Well, I get it now. Thank you. But I'm not sure I "get it". Some of us are just destined to walk through life in the dark, I guess. Or maybe I'm just a n00b.

[Chardar]

Well, I get it now. Thank you. But I'm not sure I "get it". Some of us are just destined to walk through life in the dark, I guess. Or maybe I'm just a n00b.

Heroscape has a tradition of naming its characters after people who have worked on the game. Sir Hawthorne is named after Jerry Hawthorne. Nerak is named after Karen, the daughter of one of the designers. We're continuing the tradition by naming Haduc after Colby Dauch. Haduc is Dauch with the letters rearranged. Which also is this sentence.

Yes. Exactly. And Haduc **(is) *****(Dauch) re********(arranged).

[Fuzzie Fuzz]

Ah. See, I got all of that except that I didn't know his last name was Dauch. I knew it was named after truth, and I knew his first name was Colby, and I knew it was a five-letter word. I was trying to get either truth or Colby to turn into Haduc, and was having a very difficult time of it.

[tcglkn]

It was supposed to be tricky to guess. Any guess on powers/stats for Haduc?

[robbdaman]

Well if he is like Popeye as I said.

INGEST SPINACH
Start the game with 3 Spinach Markers on this army card. At the start of a round, before you place Order Markers, remove a Spinach Marker to Increase Haduc's Attack +3 and Defense +2 until the end of the round.

[Chardar]

Spinach Bonding.

http://stahlfell.de/dreamblade/photos/storage/1000.20.787.16.jpg

[PHippo]

Given that we already have elf wizards that serve as defense boosters, movement boosters, attackers (for both squads and heroes), a "mastermind" unit (Ulginesh), and a special ability nullifyer, the only aspect of the game that isn't affected is life. Therefore the 9th elf wizard should be a healer.

[tcglkn]

Given that we already have elf wizards that serve as defense boosters, movement boosters, attackers (for both squads and heroes), a "mastermind" unit (Ulginesh), and a special ability nullifyer, the only aspect of the game that isn't affected is life. Therefore the 9th elf wizard should be a healer.

Sonlen is an Elf healer though, do we really need another Elf healer?

[PHippo]

Given that we already have elf wizards that serve as defense boosters, movement boosters, attackers (for both squads and heroes), a "mastermind" unit (Ulginesh), and a special ability nullifyer, the only aspect of the game that isn't affected is life. Therefore the 9th elf wizard should be a healer.

Sonlen is an Elf healer though, do we really need another Elf healer?

Yes but he's the imposter, he's not a wizard so he doesn't work that well in the elf wizard army.

[Prometheus]

a healer that's actually just a healer. Sonlen has poor healing because he's also a fighter. a Kelda or Ana-type healer that's an elf wizard.

Or it might be a terrain-based wizard. (water wizard targets anyone within clear sight that's on a water spaces, etc.)

Or a figure that boost special attacks.

Or it might be a protecter. i desgined a paladin-type unit that might somewhat translate into the 9th elf wizard.

Angel Starsborn
Aquilla..............Life 5
Human.............Move 5
Unique Hero.......Range 1
Priest-Knight.....Attack 3
Valiant.............Defense 3

Protection from Evil
If any utgar or valkrill figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Angel moves into engagement with a figure you control, roll a
d20. Add 2 to your roll if the figure is Undead. On a roll of 14 or higher, that figure receives one wound.

Holy Knight of Pelor
Angel rolls 2 extra attack against utgar or Valkrill figures. Undead figures roll 2 less defense against Angel.

Shun Evil
If you ever control one or more Utgar or Valkrill figures, you must either remove all of those figures from the game or remove Angel from the game.

[Prometheus]

Oh, don't Sir Dupuis or Agent Skahen.

[sixthflagbearer]

except his name is haduc, not angel ;)

[Prometheus]

that guy is not speculation as to the specific card of Haduc. That is a character I created, and I thought It would be neat to see the bold text on Haduc's card. With the name changed to be appropriate to Haduc, of course.

[Majora's Incarnation]

a healer that's actually just a healer. Sonlen has poor healing because he's also a fighter. a Kelda or Ana-type healer that's an elf wizard.

Or it might be a terrain-based wizard. (water wizard targets anyone within clear sight that's on a water spaces, etc.)

Or a figure that boost special attacks.

Or it might be a protecter. i desgined a paladin-type unit that might somewhat translate into the 9th elf wizard.

Angel Starsborn
Aquilla..............Life 5
Human.............Move 5
Unique Hero.......Range 1
Priest-Knight.....Attack 3
Valiant.............Defense 3

Protection from Evil
If any utgar or valkrill figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Angel moves into engagement with a figure you control, roll a
d20. Add 2 to your roll if the figure is Undead. On a roll of 14 or higher, that figure receives one wound.

Holy Knight of Pelor
Angel rolls 2 extra attack against utgar or Valkrill figures. Undead figures roll 2 less defense against Angel.

Shun Evil
If you ever control one or more Utgar or Valkrill figures, you must either remove all of those figures from the game or remove Angel from the game.
Just to be uber-jerk for a sec, but wouldn't a Priest-Knight be just a Paladin? or Peer if you want to be original: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin

And Shun Evil would sound better if it stated: Angel cannot be drafted into an army with any units that follow Utgar or Valkrill

[Chardar]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/Chardar94/HaducSighting.jpg

Haduc has been sighted in the Metropolis area! Witnesses say he fled quickly, but one man was able to take this picture before he disappeared.

[machinekng]

Okay. He's either a wizard or sometype of Cleric, as he has a staff and robes, and he's probaly evil, as his robes are black.

I can't make out his face, however.

[Griffin]

Ahhhhhh!!!!!! There's an Elf Wizard in NY!!!!! :woot:

[Corzan]

Okay. He's either a wizard or sometype of Cleric, as he has a staff and robes, and he's probaly evil, as his robes are black.

I can't make out his face, however.

Well, if he's the 9th Elf Wizard, he ain't evil, but you never know...

[Chardar]

Okay. He's either a wizard or sometype of Cleric, as he has a staff and robes, and he's probaly evil, as his robes are black.

I can't make out his face, however.

Well, if he's the 9th Elf Wizard, he ain't evil, but you never know...

On the other hand the guy who can't take a clear picture... :evil:

[IAmBatman]

Ahhhhhh!!!!!! There's an Elf Wizard in NY!!!!! :woot:

I don't think you know what New York looks like ... :-P

[quozl]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/Chardar94/HaducSighting.jpg

Haduc has been sighted in the Metropolis area! Witnesses say he fled quickly, but one man was able to take this picture before he disappeared.

Nice dress.

[Bro-man]

There are two options in the picture that I see.

One, he is indeed evil and could follow either Utgar, or Valkrill.

Two, he is good and can be the ninth elf wizard and be all powerful.

Ex: The tip of his staff is White and as you can see most hero's do, and can be good. (Like Gandalf's staff from lord of the rings, but that's not the point.) His hair is white but its not long so he could be a elf or not but were not certain. His garbs are greenish and so he shouldn't look evil or do any harm.

There could be more possiblities, for this I will need to think up a small bio for this *Haduc* I'll speak to you all soon.

Also I want to ask somthing involving this post, but I'll have to think about it and ask you guys later.

[Agent Minivann]

Okay. He's either a wizard or sometype of Cleric, as he has a staff and robes, and he's probaly evil, as his robes are black.

I can't make out his face, however.

Well, if he's the 9th Elf Wizard, he ain't evil, but you never know...

On the other hand the guy who can't take a clear picture... :evil:

It wouldn't be a "shelf" picture if it was that clear.

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Hmm... green robes definitely lean twords Ullar. Much better than the tempest priest, good job design team picking that mini!

EDIT- If you zoom in to around 200% you can see that his base is propped up on the side of a hex, the actual mini leans quite a bit. Also, I believe that it is a D&D base, not certain on that though.

[Prometheus]

a healer that's actually just a healer. Sonlen has poor healing because he's also a fighter. a Kelda or Ana-type healer that's an elf wizard.

Or it might be a terrain-based wizard. (water wizard targets anyone within clear sight that's on a water spaces, etc.)

Or a figure that boost special attacks.

Or it might be a protecter. i desgined a paladin-type unit that might somewhat translate into the 9th elf wizard.

Angel Starsborn
Aquilla..............Life 5
Human.............Move 5
Unique Hero.......Range 1
Priest-Knight.....Attack 3
Valiant.............Defense 3

Protection from Evil
If any utgar or valkrill figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Angel moves into engagement with a figure you control, roll a
d20. Add 2 to your roll if the figure is Undead. On a roll of 14 or higher, that figure receives one wound.

Holy Knight of Pelor
Angel rolls 2 extra attack against utgar or Valkrill figures. Undead figures roll 2 less defense against Angel.

Shun Evil
If you ever control one or more Utgar or Valkrill figures, you must either remove all of those figures from the game or remove Angel from the game.
Just to be uber-jerk for a sec, but wouldn't a Priest-Knight be just a Paladin? or Peer if you want to be original: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin

And Shun Evil would sound better if it stated: Angel cannot be drafted into an army with any units that follow Utgar or Valkrill
Yeah, I suppose you're right about being a Paladin. About Shun Evil:
But what if you draft him first and then the evil people? And my power was designed to affect Sir Hawthorne as well, who is not drafted, but forced upon you.

[robbdaman]

EDIT- If you zoom in to around 200% you can see that his base is propped up on the side of a hex, the actual mini leans quite a bit. Also, I believe that it is a D&D base, not certain on that though.

That is such a baseless argument. ;)

[Bro-man]

I'm just curious as to why this is up, when you guys say that its the ninth elf wizard but instead its on the customs, will you guys explain why this is mainly customs and not for the main thing, the classic area.

(I thought we make a speculation until a company buys heroscape?)

Anyway I'll post the bio for this character.

[tcglkn]

This is a customs group that is continuing the HeroScape game in as official a way as possible. I hope you will be impressed with our work.

As for the Bio, send Griffin or IAmBatman a PM, I think they were thinking about having an official group for that, maybe you can get in on that.

[Griffin]

The bio is something that we in the sanctum will likely agree on and then release with the unit, or maybe even before as a spoiler.

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Very observant. Chardar.

Looks like I got it right... However I checked WotC's mini galleries and didn't find anything... anyone know of a game with bases similar ti D&D minis?

[Chardar]

Very observant. Chardar.

Looks like I got it right... However I checked WotC's mini galleries and didn't find anything... anyone know of a game with bases similar ti D&D minis?

I was just complimenting the amount of effort that you put into examining the picture. I didn't mean that it was a dnd mini, or any other mini for that matter. Sorry for the confusion.

[IAmBatman]

It's actually a maxi. :-P

[quozl]

Looks like I got it right... However I checked WotC's mini galleries and didn't find anything... anyone know of a game with bases similar ti D&D minis?

It's a Mage Knight mini.

[sam113097]

Looks like I got it right... However I checked WotC's mini galleries and didn't find anything... anyone know of a game with bases similar ti D&D minis?

It's a Mage Knight mini.

Ya, I think it's a Mage Knight mini, the way it is sculpted and painted is just Mage Knight-y. Does anyone know which one?:confused:

[tcglkn]

I do. :twisted: I can't tell though. You gotta find it on your own. (Plus I want to order mine first.)

[quozl]

Ya, I think it's a Mage Knight mini, the way it is sculpted and painted is just Mage Knight-y. Does anyone know which one?:confused:

Yep. Just search on elf. :twisted:

[Chardar]

It's a Mageknight E******** P*****.

[nicktheant]

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/1/1/8/1208101652a.jpg
Posted in the gallery.

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Ah, it's on an impact base... how'd I miss that?

[krysto2002]

Hmm... that explains why an hour of rigorous searching in the D&D database found nothing...

[tcglkn]

Just ordered the figure today. :D So you can have fun finding him. The write up we have for him is pretty awesome. If you want to see them before release, sign up for the playtests.

[Chardar]

I'd recommend the Haduc and Morsebane combo.

[quozl]

I'd recommend the Haduc and Morsebane combo.

· · · — — — · · ·

[tcglkn]

I'd recommend the Haduc and Morsebane combo.

· · · — — — · · ·

:rimshot:

[dok]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...

[GreyOwl]

Mine just arrived tonight. :)

[GromBloodboy]

Bought him this morning from T&T. Psyched to get him. This is a great way to continue the game. Can't wait to see the card!

[Rich10]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.

[Griffin]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.
:bs: For years Sir Hawthorne was the rare of the rare, much more rare than this Elemental Priest, and though people bitched about not having one, they made repaints, customs, etc, and No one would have ever dared to say at a game table "oh that Sir Hawthorne is too rare, I am sorry but you can't play with him." :roll:

[quozl]

Nice marketing skills!

[Dredd Stev]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.

I assure you we have taken this factor into account when selecting the mini. It's a very important factor to us all in the project, and one we take care to discuss and review thoroughly before selecting. Also I don't think it's fair to speak on behalf of the entire scape playing community. I mean we here at scapers are only a fraction of the gaming public, and only a fraction of the members of the site will be trying to keep up with the C3V releases.

That said, it is what it is my friend. We will do our very best to find widely accessible minis, but at the end of the day we need a figure that looks right too. Finding that perfect balance is a challenge to be sure, but here we are. Short of finding someone with a factory capable of mass producing original minis for this project (that you could not charge money for) we are going to have to suck it up and face the fact that sometimes the best figure for the job is rare and expensive and not everyone is going to be able to find/afford it.

[robbdaman]

To anyone else who is concerned about availability of a miniature for what it is worth I also have been very open about this as well. My fellow C3V members can attest to the fact that I have expressed the same concern and created a lot of discussion as a result. I have had to come to the conclusion that realistically this is still a customs project and much like Samuel Brown there is no figure that we are getting with our card. Nothing says you we have to use the official figures and I even expect that a proxying rule will go into effect if the game is completely discontinued. So, that means we can play with whatever miniature we really want for Haduc. There is of course well over a hundred metal versions of this exact miniature out there as well but that may not be ideal for people. Rest assured though if this is a real issue in the future there is a very good possibility we may find a replacement.

[Taeblewalker]

I'd be happy to just use any old wizard mini if I need to.

[Prometheus]

Yeah. Just proxy. The card is what matters, right? That is just the preferred figure, not the only possibility.

[dok]

I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.
:bs: For years Sir Hawthorne was the rare of the rare, much more rare than this Elemental Priest, and though people bitched about not having one, they made repaints, customs, etc, and No one would have ever dared to say at a game table "oh that Sir Hawthorne is too rare, I am sorry but you can't play with him." :roll:Griff, I get what you're saying, but there is a difference between an official release and a custom that we are trying to get used widely. Moreover, Sir Hawthorne's sculpt was always widely available, and playing a mis-painted or repainted figure has always been acceptable. Heck, killercactus was playing EOVs as proxies for Venocs on day 2 of the Main Event this year.

I assure you we have taken this factor into account when selecting the mini. It's a very important factor to us all in the project, and one we take care to discuss and review thoroughly before selecting. Also I don't think it's fair to speak on behalf of the entire scape playing community. I mean we here at scapers are only a fraction of the gaming public, and only a fraction of the members of the site will be trying to keep up with the C3V releases.

That said, it is what it is my friend. We will do our very best to find widely accessible minis, but at the end of the day we need a figure that looks right too. Finding that perfect balance is a challenge to be sure, but here we are. Short of finding someone with a factory capable of mass producing original minis for this project (that you could not charge money for) we are going to have to suck it up and face the fact that sometimes the best figure for the job is rare and expensive and not everyone is going to be able to find/afford it.I completely agree that you should not compromise and release a figure with a sculpt that doesn't fit the figure and/or the flavor of Heroscape. However, it doesn't follow that the C3V should simply push through and release figures that are going to be extremely hard to come by. There's a reasonable argument to make that the C3V project should look for appropriate and widely available miniatures, and work to design customs within the universe of those miniatures.

Of course, reasonable minds can disagree on what constitutes "widely available" or "relatively inexpensive", too. I'm not arguing that this is a black and white issue.

[robbdaman]

dok, rest assured that nothing is 100% set in stone as yet. As I said I have echoed the same arguments already and my previous statement from a few posts ago still stands.

[1Mmirg]

To anyone else who is concerned about availability of a miniature for what it is worth I also have been very open about this as well. My fellow C3V members can attest to the fact that I have expressed the same concern and created a lot of discussion as a result. I have had to come to the conclusion that realistically this is still a customs project and much like Samuel Brown there is no figure that we are getting with our card. Nothing says you we have to use the official figures and I even expect that a proxying rule will go into effect if the game is completely discontinued. So, that means we can play with whatever miniature we really want for Haduc. There is of course well over a hundred metal versions of this exact miniature out there as well but that may not be ideal for people. Rest assured though if this is a real issue in the future there is a very good possibility we may find a replacement.

Thought I'd go ahead and pull this forward, in case you're on a 20 post page read and this has been lost (as it was for me).

We are reviewing the Haduc miniature. We do want minis to be available and reasonably priced wherever possible. This is a leak of a work in process.

All of that said, it is also true that there really is a finite number of figures that are available in droves and cheap (and usually there is a reason they cheap and available, if you know what I mean). We are going to try to balance all the factors as best as we can (prepainted, cheap, available, right style, fit with Scape, size, etc.). There really are a lot of variables. We are working to get that right for every single unit we release, but there will be catches and challenges.

I appreciate your concerns. It helps me as I talk with the other ERB members about these kinds of issues. We're working on this.

[Rich10]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.
:bs: For years Sir Hawthorne was the rare of the rare, much more rare than this Elemental Priest, and though people bitched about not having one, they made repaints, customs, etc, and No one would have ever dared to say at a game table "oh that Sir Hawthorne is too rare, I am sorry but you can't play with him." :roll:


I assure you we have taken this factor into account when selecting the mini. It's a very important factor to us all in the project, and one we take care to discuss and review thoroughly before selecting. Also I don't think it's fair to speak on behalf of the entire scape playing community. I mean we here at scapers are only a fraction of the gaming public, and only a fraction of the members of the site will be trying to keep up with the C3V releases.

That said, it is what it is my friend. We will do our very best to find widely accessible minis, but at the end of the day we need a figure that looks right too. Finding that perfect balance is a challenge to be sure, but here we are. Short of finding someone with a factory capable of mass producing original minis for this project (that you could not charge money for) we are going to have to suck it up and face the fact that sometimes the best figure for the job is rare and expensive and not everyone is going to be able to find/afford it.I'm not attacking the process (which is very robust), the designers (who I have great respect for), or the figure. I think that my post was fairly objective. I do not think that there will be wide acceptance of any figure that isn't widely available. I'm not suggesting that I should be the person to define "widely available". I hope that the elemental priest has much more availability than I realize. Troll and Toad has 9 elemental priests left. Miniature Market and Auggies do not seem to carry it.

[tcglkn]

Search him on eBay. I believe Troll and Toad has more than 10 on there for a dollar plus shipping. Which is not crazy when were used to paying about 3 dollars per figure (12 dollar boosters with 4-6 figures.) And that's not counting the exclusives or flagbearers.

[dok]

robbdaman, 1Mmirg, thank you for those comments.

All of that said, it is also true that there really is a finite number of figures that are available in droves and cheap (and usually there is a reason they cheap and available, if you know what I mean).Not all of the cheap/available figures are junk. Among the big name prepainted plastic miniature lines, the biggest factors controlling price/availability are:
Release date. This has zero correlation with the awesomeness of the sculpt.
Rarity. While Wizards, et al, do tend to make the cooler figures the rarer ones, the correlation is far from perfect.
Effectiveness of the figure in the original game system. Groks didn't clog shelves because people didn't like the sculpt. The same applies in other games. Again, this has very little correlation with the awesomeness of the sculpt.
Usefulness of the figure in multiples. This has zero correlation with the awesomeness of the sculpt, but it does impact the cost of potential common squads (e.g. people are always going to buy up decent-looking skeletons, which makes it harder to put together a reasonably priced common squad of skeletons).
Awesomeness of the sculpt. OK, this has some correlation with the awesomeness of the sculpt. ;)I've been designing a lot of customs lately, and I have tended to work backwards from cool figures that I can find towards things that I think work well in Heroscape.

We are going to try to balance all the factors as best as we can (prepainted, cheap, available, right style, fit with Scape, size, etc.). There really are a lot of variables. We are working to get that right for every single unit we release, but there will be catches and challenges.

I appreciate your concerns. It helps me as I talk with the other ERB members about these kinds of issues. We're working on this.:thumbsup:

[Griffin]

Edit: It's the Elemental Priest, As seen here. (http://store.gamingetc.com/catalog/mage_knight_minis-rebellion/elemental_priest/65619)Or for 50 cents at Trollandtoad...I looked around and this seems to be a fairly rare character (hopefully, I am wrong). If people don't have fairly wide access to the figures, the figures will not be accepted by the HS community.
:bs: For years Sir Hawthorne was the rare of the rare, much more rare than this Elemental Priest, and though people bitched about not having one, they made repaints, customs, etc, and No one would have ever dared to say at a game table "oh that Sir Hawthorne is too rare, I am sorry but you can't play with him." :roll:


I assure you we have taken this factor into account when selecting the mini. It's a very important factor to us all in the project, and one we take care to discuss and review thoroughly before selecting. Also I don't think it's fair to speak on behalf of the entire scape playing community. I mean we here at scapers are only a fraction of the gaming public, and only a fraction of the members of the site will be trying to keep up with the C3V releases.

That said, it is what it is my friend. We will do our very best to find widely accessible minis, but at the end of the day we need a figure that looks right too. Finding that perfect balance is a challenge to be sure, but here we are. Short of finding someone with a factory capable of mass producing original minis for this project (that you could not charge money for) we are going to have to suck it up and face the fact that sometimes the best figure for the job is rare and expensive and not everyone is going to be able to find/afford it.I'm not attacking the process (which is very robust), the designers (who I have great respect for), or the figure. I think that my post was fairly objective. I do not think that there will be wide acceptance of any figure that isn't widely available. I'm not suggesting that I should be the person to define "widely available". I hope that the elemental priest has much more availability than I realize. Troll and Toad has 9 elemental priests left. Miniature Market and Auggies do not seem to carry it.
Well from what I can tell, the E-Priest is cheaper and easier to find than ANY of the promotional figures, even the remakes. But compare the rarity of this guy to the Ullar Flag bearer.... we are not setting any new precedents here in terms of cost and/or rarity.

[1Mmirg]

robbdaman, 1Mmirg, thank you for those comments.

Thank you for yours.

Haduc is a bit different from other units (similar to, oh, say, an Aquilla Blue Dragon, perhaps) in that we begin with a sense of what the unit should be like and then go sculpt hunting. As you say, it is much easier to design the other way around (at least in terms of the sculpt...).

But with a unit that a distinct feel and seems to warrant some extra attention (as we believe Haduc should--being more like a promo than anything else, as Griff just mentioned), we find it a bit harder to hit on all the marks and criteria we have for sculpts. Sometimes (and we'll try to be very careful about this) we error on the side of the feel of the sculpt versus just a cheap mini that "could" be XXX, but doesn't seem to quite do it for most of us.

Anyhow, as I said, Haduc isn't a closed book yet. I do really like the choice shown here and think it has a lot of merits, though it has some drawbacks, no question. We'll keep talking this through for a bit.

[robbdaman]

Well from what I can tell, the E-Priest is cheaper and easier to find than ANY of the promotional figures, even the remakes. But compare the rarity of this guy to the Ullar Flag bearer.... we are not setting any new precedents here in terms of cost and/or rarity.

I don't think this is the best argument here Griff. You're kind of coming off as saying "if we make a custom that has a hard to find or expensive figure that's okay because many Heroscape figures are hard to find or expensive". I believe we need to listen and understand if things are not ideal. While sure people can use any figure, it doesn't have to be the Elemental Priest this isn't like C3G where if you don't want to buy the Wolverine figure that the card is for there are hundreds more similar to it that work just as well. I say for now we just listen to people and take things into consideration as I know 1Mmirg is doing.

[Griffin]

Well from what I can tell, the E-Priest is cheaper and easier to find than ANY of the promotional figures, even the remakes. But compare the rarity of this guy to the Ullar Flag bearer.... we are not setting any new precedents here in terms of cost and/or rarity.

I don't think this is the best argument here Griff. You're kind of coming off as saying "if we make a custom that has a hard to find or expensive figure that's okay because many Heroscape figures are hard to find or expensive". I believe we need to listen and understand if things are not ideal. While sure people can use any figure, it doesn't have to be the Elemental Priest this isn't like C3G where if you don't want to buy the Wolverine figure that the card is for there are hundreds more similar to it that work just as well. I say for now we just listen to people and take things into consideration as I know 1Mmirg is doing.
I don't think you have taken many things into consideration though. For one, we took a poll on figures then voted - the American way. The figure chosen wasn't one I voted for or even like all that much, but there it is. Like our president, I don't care for it, but I support the decision.

Also, there are many different things that are important to people when it comes to mini selection, and many people's list of criteria are different from yours. Because of this, no figure choice is ever gonna make everyone happy. I think it takes a good deal of grace to recognize this, most especially when things don't go according to your own list. ;)

[Chardar]

Well from what I can tell, the E-Priest is cheaper and easier to find than ANY of the promotional figures, even the remakes. But compare the rarity of this guy to the Ullar Flag bearer.... we are not setting any new precedents here in terms of cost and/or rarity.

I don't think this is the best argument here Griff. You're kind of coming off as saying "if we make a custom that has a hard to find or expensive figure that's okay because many Heroscape figures are hard to find or expensive". I believe we need to listen and understand if things are not ideal. While sure people can use any figure, it doesn't have to be the Elemental Priest this isn't like C3G where if you don't want to buy the Wolverine figure that the card is for there are hundreds more similar to it that work just as well. I say for now we just listen to people and take things into consideration as I know 1Mmirg is doing.
I don't think you have taken many things into consideration though. For one, we took a poll on figures then voted - the American way. The figure chosen wasn't one I voted for or even like all that much, but there it is. Like our president, I don't care for it, but I support the decision.

Also, there are many different things that are important to people when it comes to mini selection, and many people's list of criteria are different from yours. Because of this, no figure choice is ever gonna make everyone happy. I think it takes a good deal of grace to recognize this, most especially when things don't go according to your own list. ;)

I'd be happy to just use any old wizard mini if I need to.


I think these posts go hand in hand. If you don't like the mini choice, use another. We are well aware of the fact that no choice is going to make everyone happy, and there is always going to be a finite number available. So just use what you want. I don't have and currently have no intentions of purchasing the selected mini, but I still absolutely love the card. Just use what you want and let others use what they want.

[Lamaclown]

Elizabeth: Wait! You have to take me to shore. According to the Code of the Order of the Brethren...
Barbossa: First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner .

That is how I am viewing the figure choice on the card. It is more of a guideline, a suggestion. If I don't have the fig that is on the card I can still most certainly enjoy using the card with a proxy fig.

I would like to have each fig the C3V chooses just because that is the way I like to do things. However, I know that won't always be possible.

Anyhow, there is more to Haduc than just the fig. What other things might Haduc be hiding up his robe? What arcane powers and eldritch skills will he bring with him?

[krysto2002]

I'd recommend the Haduc and Morsebane combo.

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No help for you sir...

As for Haduc, I can't wait to see his card... If I can find the figure myself, then I'll definitely get one. Your project looks promising enough to accomplish what you set out to do, and that is the most important thing. So many people are trying, but I think your project could yield results that the LI league will enjoy using someday.

Good Luck gentlemen! We are all rooting for your success!

[IAmBatman]

I'd recommend the Haduc and Morsebane combo.

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No help for you sir...

As for Haduc, I can't wait to see his card... If I can find the figure myself, then I'll definitely get one. Your project looks promising enough to accomplish what you set out to do, and that is the most important thing. So many people are trying, but I think your project could yield results that the LI league will enjoy using someday.

Good Luck gentlemen! We are all rooting for your success!

Thanks for the comments and encouragement! :-) I know we all care about the quality of this project and will do our best to make it the very best project it can be.
Having seen the write-up for Haduc, I'm really excited about him as well.

[robbdaman]

I don't think you have taken many things into consideration though. For one, we took a poll on figures then voted - the American way. The figure chosen wasn't one I voted for or even like all that much, but there it is. Like our president, I don't care for it, but I support the decision.

Also, there are many different things that are important to people when it comes to mini selection, and many people's list of criteria are different from yours. Because of this, no figure choice is ever gonna make everyone happy. I think it takes a good deal of grace to recognize this, most especially when things don't go according to your own list. ;)

This general public discussion doesn't have much to do with me, my preference or what C3V has decided though. This argument cannot be put off on me as it is just what other Heroscapers are saying. I fully support what the design team has chosen here but that doesn't mean I ignore what others think. I believe it takes even more grace to listen to what the public has to say and take it to heart. Which I know the ERB are doing so I am comfortable with the process and whatever the result in the end.

[IAmBatman]

I think the major point in all of this is that we are discussing these concerns in the sanctum and have since the onset of this project. And I think we should continue to do just that - discuss these concerns in the sanctum. :-)

[robbdaman]

Agreed. Still anyone who has further complaints should PM Chardar as he is our PR guy. :lol: Okay maybe don't PM him but please do not fear expressing yourself.

[Chardar]

Agreed. Still anyone who has further complaints should PM Chardar as he is our PR guy. :lol: Okay maybe don't PM him but please do not fear expressing yourself.

Anything that I can't answer will be forwarded to the head of the appropriate department. The only thing I do is advertise the new units. If you have any questions about this thread or anything that is already public feel free to ask, but I can't do much besides that.

[dok]

I think the major point in all of this is that we are discussing these concerns in the sanctum and have since the onset of this project. And I think we should continue to do just that - discuss these concerns in the sanctum. :-)I am interpreting the bolded line from your post (emphasis yours) as a suggestion to the people with sanctum access to stop discussing this here and to in stead discuss this only in the private forums. If that is a misinterpretation than I apologize, and most of what follows can be safely ignored.

While I understand the desire to avoid the shouting of the rabble, especially when those shouts get shrill, it seems like you are embracing a lack of open discussion here for its own sake. Keeping discussions entirely behind closed doors has value and it has its place, for sure, but I don't see much value here and I don't think this is the place for it.

When I look through the discussion that has gone on here, I see lots of excellent points made by people with and without sanctum access. I don't see any hysterical points being made by anyone. I think this discussion has had a lot of value, both reassuring the community that the people involved in the project are taking these issues into account, and giving the people involved in the project a more clear perspective on the priorities of the community. I have a very hard time seeing this discussion being out in the open as a bad thing.

[robbdaman]

I think he just means we need to take it back to discussion there as it is part of the design and review teams job to really deal with those issues. Free and open discussion is perfectly fine and desired even, again if you have more thoughts feel free to interject them.

[1Mmirg]

I think he just means we need to take it back to discussion there as it is part of the design and review teams job to really deal with those issues. Free and open discussion is perfectly fine and desired even, again if you have more thoughts feel free to interject them.


Yup, this was/is a very important discussion, but for it to have any real determining effect, it needs to happen in the sanctum where the voting happens.

I hope that others here who have a thought on the issue (any issue) will continue to share it. It is very instructive for us to hear from you guys.

One of the things I like about this thread is that it allows for some great input from the community on things that aren't already finalized. The sneak peaks are excellent for helping to spawn new insights.

Thanks for speaking up!

[Chardar]

A C3V member recently took a vacation to the northern reaches of Valhalla for a Dzu-Teh safari. While there he happened upon one of Jandar's camps, where he overheard this conversation.

Sargent Drake. "Soon Jandar will open a portal hoping to enhance his forces."

Unknown. "It's about time, Utgar has become so powerful over the past year. I don't think we can hold out much longer."

The two quickly ceased their conversation as the group approached the camp. We believe this information to be critical for our survival. What Jandar intends to summon remains to be seen.

[IAmBatman]

:thumbsup:

[DeathDoom]

A C3V member recently took a vacation to the northern reaches of Valhalla for a Dzu-Teh safari. While there he happened upon one of Jandar's camps, where he overheard this conversation.

Sargent Drake. "Soon Jandar will open a portal hoping to enhance his forces."

Unknown. "It's about time, Utgar has become so powerful over the past year. I don't think we can hold out much longer."

The two quickly ceased their conversation as the group approached the camp. We believe this information to be critical for our survival. What Jandar intends to summon remains to be seen.
I will interpret this to mean that Jandar is summoning something.

Also, Bats is secretly a Vydar Kyrie who likes to eavesdrop.

[Dredd Stev]

God I hope he finally has the power to summon up penguins with machine guns...

[IAmBatman]

Also, Bats is secretly a Vydar Kyrie who likes to eavesdrop.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu234/hsgriffin/th_bats2.gif?t=1279803820

[Chardar]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Dodge-Sprinter.jpg/250px-Dodge-Sprinter.jpg

[tcglkn]

Is the newest unit inside the van? :confused:

[1Mmirg]

Vehicles in Heroscape! I knew it was coming!

I can just see a bunch of orcs, cowboys, soulborg, and samurai piling out of that thing :D.

[Taeblewalker]

Oh no! Vydar is getting Agent Minivan!

[tcglkn]

Vehicles in Heroscape! I knew it was coming!

I can just see a bunch of orcs, cowboys, soulborg, and samurai piling out of that thing :D.

Now we need some hispanic soldiers. ;) They could have a special power that doubles the capacity of any vehicle they are in.

[Griffin]

:lol:

[robbdaman]

Vehicles in Heroscape! I knew it was coming!

I can just see a bunch of orcs, cowboys, soulborg, and samurai piling out of that thing :D.

Now we need some hispanic soldiers. ;) They could have a special power that doubles the capacity of any vehicle they are in.

Those are clowns you are thinking of.

[tcglkn]

I don't think robbdaman has ever seen a Mexican construction crew. ;)

[IAmBatman]

I was warned about vehicles like that as a kid ... :-P

[robbdaman]

I don't think robbdaman has ever seen a Mexican construction crew. ;)

Heh, dude I'm from Arizona and live in California. We probably have more Mexicans in one square mile then you've seen your whole life. ;)

[quozl]

I should ask my Mexican wife what she thinks of these comments....

[All Your Pie]

I don't think robbdaman has ever seen a Mexican construction crew. ;)

Heh, dude I'm from Arizona and live in California. We probably have more Mexicans in one square mile then you've seen your whole life. ;)

Definitely.

~AYP, living in Southern Arizona.

[Griffin]

I should ask my Mexican wife what she thinks of these comments....
She shouldn't feel anything but humor towards a blatant stereotypical joke about a race. Most people with a sense of humor find race jokes funny.... :reapershrug:

[quozl]

I should ask my Mexican wife what she thinks of these comments....
She shouldn't feel anything but humor towards a blatant stereotypical joke about a race. Most people with a sense of humor find race jokes funny.... :reapershrug:

Thanks for telling me what she should feel! I'll let her know!

[Griffin]

Yikes.... So how about that white Van guys? I bet it can't jump very high. :lol:

[quozl]

I bet it can jump as high as any other van!

[Griffin]

So Chardar is dropping a hint with the White Van, but what does it mean? :ponder:

I wonder if it is even the van at all, maybe it is something less obvious.

[BiggaBullfrog]

It's the house! We're getting a doctor!

[Agent Minivann]

Oh no! Vydar is getting Agent Minivan!

Who the crap is Agent Minivan?

[Taeblewalker]

Oh no! Vydar is getting Agent Minivan!

Who the crap is Agent Minivan?

Some guy who is way more Vydary than Agent Minivann.

[Agent Minivann]

Oh no! Vydar is getting Agent Minivan!

Who the crap is Agent Minivan?

Some guy who is way more Vydary than Agent Minivann.

I'm the Vydarfamilias!