C3V Public Announcements - VYDAR'S BETRAYAL BEGINS!

[ZBeeblebrox]

C3V ANNOUNCEMENTS:


VYDAR'S BETRAYAL BEGINS


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C3V CURRENT BROADCASTS:

C3V NOW ON BATTLEPLAN! (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/yeah, dok..I hope doe has not mentioned "leaving" he's one of the main cogs of this operation.)

WAVE 16 PRE-VIEW (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2218)

WAVE 16 WEEK 1 (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/blog.php?b=2229)



IMPORTANT C3V THREADS

C3V Public Miniature Information Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35777)
- Important information about future C3V units.
(Includes Size, Commonalty, Type, Sculpt info)

Suggestions for the C3V Design Team (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405)
- Suggestion Box for the C3V team

C3V and SoV Books of Index (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33402)

Shopping for SoV/C3V minis (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=37613)
- Where to find shopping information for all C3V units

C3V Public Playtesting Sign-up (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33397)

C3V Public Playtesting Tips & Tricks (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42178)

C3V Points & Rewards Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=42429)


Current Broadcasts



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C3V Goals and Rules

C3V GOALS


1) To continue the creation of Heroscape by creating new custom designs that are 100% compatible with each other and all of the official Heroscape License.

2) For each custom design to accurately reflect the official Heroscape game aesthetic.

3) To have each Custom Design be collaboratively created by our C3V members by allowing each design to be worked on by each group within the C3V, while encouraging support, good ideas, and productive effort from the entire Heroscapers.com community.

4) Maintain the position of several core members who are enthusiastic, well respected, and active Heroscapers.com members.



C3V VOTING RULES


It should be clear that Sanctum Members may only post comments in their own sub-forum/sub-group's section and the General Section. There are only two exceptions to this: the ERB members are allowed to comment in any section at any time - they are the watch dogs and visionaries of the group, and any member may comment in any group's "Drop Box" thread.

1) For any decision to be made by a sub-group, a Proposition must be submitted by a member of that sub-group in that sub-group's own Voting Thread or directly in an open design thread. sub-groups can only make decisions about the design as it pertains to the responsibilities of that sub-group. Only Administrators and Moderators are allowed to make propositions in the C3V General Voting Hall (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33396), those propositions can be to make changes to the C3V Rules and/or practices, however, every Sanctum Member is allowed to vote there.

There are 5 groups with each group having a Voting thread.
- Designers (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33395)
- E.R.B. (Executive Review Board) (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33394)
- Editors (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33393)
- Artists (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33392)
- Playtesters (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33391)

2) Each Proposition will have 2 days to achieve a majority vote. A Proposition by a sub-group will stay active for 2 days or until all voting members from that sub-group have voted, then the proposition will be closed. Once a proposition is closed, the votes will be tallied. A vote consists of a C3V voting member posting yes or no in their sub-group's Voting Thread or directly in an open design thread. If you do not vote, your vote will not be counted (obviously).

3) If there is a split decision on a Proposition, then a poll will be made to the public concerning the split decision. The Poll by a sub-group will stay active for 2 days, then the Poll will be closed. Once a Poll is closed, the votes will be tallied and the majority will win.



C3V SUB-GROUP'S GUIDE



DESIGNERS) It is the Designer's job to continually discuss and create new additions to the game of Heroscape.

- The Designers will first discuss what they want to design, then find a miniature(s) that they want to use for the design.
- When the Designers have an idea of something they want to work on, they will agree on who the Lead Designer (LD) will be.
- The LD will start a thread in the C3V Designers Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77) using this Design Template (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1255055&postcount=2) as the first post and the title of the thread must say "Design" so that all other sub-groups know not to comment in that thread. The LD will post his/her name on the first post in the design thread.
- The Designer's sub-group will continue to discuss and work on the overall design of the work in progress in its newly created thread.
- Once the Designers have the design to a point that they would like to see it move forward, the Designers must change the design's title to say "Sanctum Review" and alert the C3V Sanctum Members by having a Moderator or Administrator move the design thread into the C3V Inner Sanctum (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=76). There, all C3V Sanctum Members will have 48 hours to discuss the design and give any ideas or suggestions for the design.
- When the 48 hours are over, the Designers must change the design's title to say "E.R.B" and alert them that the design is now their responsibility by having a Moderator or Administrator move it into the C3V Executive Review Board (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=78).
- If at any point any sub-group sends a design back to the Designers with a fail, it is the Designer's job to either scrap the design, or attempt to adjust it and send it back to the group that failed it.


E.R.B.) It is the E.R.B.'s job to review each design and discuss the big picture and direct the group in a way that fits the Heroscape aesthetic giving C3V a long term vision and big picture. E.R.B. can comment in any C3V thread at any time, as they are the watch dogs of the group's direction and long term vision.

- Once the Designers have sent the design to the E.R.B.'s sub-group, the E.R.B. will discuss whether or not the design fits the big picture of C3V.
- After discussing the design in its entirety, the E.R.B. will decide to pass or fail the design. If it Passes, the E.R.B. will change its title to say "Editing" and alert the Editing Team that the design is now their responsibility by having a Moderator or Administrator move it into the C3V Editing Room. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=81) If it Fails, the E.R.B. will change is title to say "Design" and alert them that the design is now their responsibility by having a Moderator or Administrator move it into the C3V Designers Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77) and inform them why it has failed.
- After a design has passed Finalization, the E.R.B. will place the design in the On Deck Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33403) with a "Books of" title until it is released.
- The E.R.B will decide when and how to release designs that are in the On Deck Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33403). And once a design is released, the E.R.B. will move the design's book to the public C3V Books Of Index (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33402).


EDITORS) It is the Editors' job to review the grammar and textual aesthetics of the card and correct the text if necessary.

- Once the E.R.B. have sent the design to the C3V Editing Room, the Editors will discuss any potential wording changes that may need to be made.
- When the Editors have agreed on any wording changes that may need to be made, they will alert the Lead Designer and the Lead Playtester listed on the front page, of their intended changes to ensure that the new wording will not contradict the intention or how it was played.
- As soon as both the Lead Designer and the Lead Playtester have agreed that the new wording supports the original intention and application, the Editors can decide whether or not to pass the wording of the design.
- Once the Editors agree on the wording of the design, the Editors will change the name of the design's title to say "Playtesting" and then alert them that the design is now their responsibility by having a Moderator or Administrator move it into the C3V Playtester Corner. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=80)


PLAYTESTERS) It is the Playtesters' job to playtest each design sent to them by the C3V Editing Team.

- Once the design has been sent to the Playtesters, any of them are free to run as many playtests as they'd like using the design. The Playtesting team as a whole is responsible for discussing the design, the results of the playtests and what those results may or may not suggest. Once the Playtesting Team feels they have reached a general consensus, they must vote to pass or fail the design. If it Fails, it is renamed "Design" and returned to the Designer's Corner. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77) If it Passes, the Playtesters must choose a single Lead Playtester (LP) to be responsible for the design. The chosen LP will remain the LP for the remainder of the design's full production by linking his/her name on the front page of the design.
- The LP will change the name of the design's title to say "Public Testing" and then alert the Public Testing Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1255200&posted=1#post1255200) of the name of the design and that it is open for Testing. Then the Public Playtesters can sign up and PM the Lead Playtester for the necessary information and PM him/her with the results by filling out this Public Playtesting Sheet (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1255200&postcount=2).
- The LP will post each public playtest in the private Design thread, and link each public playtest on the front page.
-Once the Lead Playtester is satisfied with the results of the Public Playtests, he may then propose to the rest of the Playtesters that the design move to the Art Department. If the proposal Passes, the E.R.B. will change its title to say "Art" and alert the Art Department that the design is now their responsibility by moving it to the C3V Art Department. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=82). If the proposal Fails, the Playtesting Team will alert the Design Team and inform them that the design is now their responsibility by having a Moderator or Administrator move it into the C3V Designers Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77).


ARTISTS) It is the Artists' job to create a finished downloadable/printable product of the design.

- Once the Playtesters have sent the design to the Artists' sub-group, the Artists must choose a single Lead Artist (LA) to be responsible for the design. The chosen LA will remain the LA for the remainder of the design's full production.
- The LA will be responsible for acquiring a high resolution picture of the selected miniature(s), unless at this point in time, a picture or pictures have already been posted.
- If the miniature(s) have been modified in any way (paint, glue, molding, etc), then it is the LA's responsibility to acquire a tutorial on how to create the featured miniature.
- The Artists will discuss which picture to use and any detail that is relevant to the design.
- Once the Artists have agreed on how the design should be done, the LA will create the final product.
- The Artists will review the product and decide whether or not any changes are necessary.
- Once the Artists have agreed on the final product, a PDF will be made.
- Then the Artists will compare that PDF to the JPG design to ensure that nothing was lost.
- When the Artists decide that the work is done, the Artists will post the JPG of the design in the first post along with a link of the PDF and then change the name of the title of the design's thread to say "Finalize", and the LA will post a proposal to finalize the design in the Final Voting Thread (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33441). There, every C3V Member can vote.



C3V PUBLIC ACCESS


This program will grant 2 members of the public temporary access to the C3V Inner Sanctum for 2 months each. Access will be staggered, so that one member enters each month.

- Within the first 3 days of each month a public poll will take place in the C3V public section. That poll will consist of a list of names chosen by the Inner Sanctum.
- To be chosen for the list you should be active in the C3V or SoV, such as in playtesting and/or offering suggestions and input.
- The poll will close in 48 hours.
- The Scaper with the most votes wins. Ties will be split by a decision made by the Inner Sanctum.
- That winner will then be allowed to choose which sub-group they would like to temporarily join as a Guest Member: The Design Team, The Editors, The Fiction Writers, or The Art Department.
- The winner will be temporarily invited into the Sanctum (given full access) and added to the sub-group of his/her choosing, granting them all of the abilities of any member within that group.
- Each project that a Guest Member works on will be given an Understudy in the situation that the project is not finished by the time that Guest Member's 2 months are up. Any Understudy will be a Permanent C3V Member on the appropriate Team. If the Guest member was working on a design, they will be informed of any changes made/proposed for that design as it completes the C3V process.
- Nearing the end of each month, the Inner Sanctum will create a list of names for the next public poll, beginning with suggestions from the current Guest Members. Each member in the C3V (including the Guest Members) is allowed to vote on/suggest names for the list.
- While the list for the next Guest Member is being created, the public will be informed of who is in consideration. Anyone in consideration should state if they are interested or not before the opening of the poll. Anyone in consideration who does not state that they are interested will not be included in the poll.
- On the last day of the month following their admittance into the Sanctum, that Guest Member will be removed from the Sanctum.
- Each person who becomes a Guest Member must wait four months after they leave the Inner Sanctum before they can be a Guest Member again.



C3V MEMBERS LIST (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=35298)

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[IAmBatman]

I just wanted to start a thread like this because such a thread proved very useful over at C3G. Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome our two new C3V Moderators, Griffin and GreyOwl! :-)

C3V Human Resources Department (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33474)

[tcglkn]

Congrats Griffin and GreyOwl!

[Griffin]

Thank you sir. :toast:

[tcglkn]

Can Mods edit threads outside their forums? It would probably be handy if GreyOwl was a C3G mod as well to update any PDF links. :shrug:

[IAmBatman]

I'm thinking of requesting permission to name another Mod over there, but my focus at the moment is getting C3V all squared away. :-) Oh, and the Fan Four set ...

[ZBeeblebrox]

Congrats Griffin and GreyOwl!

[GreyOwl]

Thanks! Oooh, this badge is shiny! :)

[tcglkn]

Can we start with the questionaries soon? Once we start with those, I have a feeling it'll be at least a month after D3 before we get our first exclusive done.

[A3n]

Thanks! Oooh, this badge is shiny! :)
& well deserved :up:

[Matt Helm]

Thanks! Oooh, this badge is shiny! :)

I guess they'll give just about anyone one of those badges. ;)

You know, once you become a servant of the law, you're no longer an innocent victim in the eyes of a secret agent assassin.

So here's to you GO... :moon:

The gloves (and the pants) are off.

[GreyOwl]

That was...so worth it. :) Any excuse to make you drop your pants!

[Matt Helm]

That's what she said.

[Griffin]

OK, it is 6am on the east coast, and I am now just about to go to sleep.... but before I do, I wanted to share a little bit with the public about what I have been working so hard on. I have been staying up with Bats, Gbob, and GreyOwl each night working extremely hard to get the Inner Sanctum and the C3V public section set up, along with the questionnaire (that was supposed to go out tonight, sorry, maybe tomorrow, again, sorry), Goals for the group (our mission/vision), the blasted rules, etc, etc, etc, But what I have been working extremely hard on tonight was what I am calling the PUBLIC ACCESS PROGRAM. This is a program that we have been fleshing out since day one of the "Is C3V the Future" thread. It wasn't easy to do this, but it is finally hashed out, agreed upon, and written up. Now, with all the hard work that went into this one aspect of what has already been done, I hope that it is met with appreciation, because this is the system folks, and it is as good as it is gonna get.

:fingers_crossed: ~ Griff


C3V PUBLIC ACCESS


This program will grant 2 members of the public temporary access to the C3V Inner Sanctum each and every month.

- On the first Sunday of each month a public poll will take place in the C3V public section. That poll will consist of a list of names chosen by the Inner Sanctum.
- The poll will close in 48 hours.
- The two names with the most votes wins. Ties will be split by a decision made by the Inner Sanctum.
- Those two winners will then be allowed to choose which sub-group they would like to temporarily join; The Design Team, The Lead Playtesters, The Executive Review Board, The Editors, or The Art Department.
- The two winners will be temporarily invited into the Sanctum and allowed to join the sub-group of his/her choosing granting them all of the abilities of any member within that group.
- On the last day of that same month, those two members will be required to create a new list of names for the next contestants and the the two will be removed from the sanctum.

[A3n]

Great work Griff & Bats, GO & GBob. That's definitely a bold & exciting move :up:.

Keep up the great work, I appreciate you guys.

Cheers

[flameslayer93]

Very interesting Griffin:thumbsup:

Hopefully this should help turn out some extra-nice customs:D

[tcglkn]

That's awesome! You guys are working way to hard on this. I think the Inner Sanctum access will work well. Hopefully we can keep it to the hard working members.

I look forward to the questionnaire and the announcement of who gets what jobs. 8)

[Killometer]

First, I just want you to know that I think you guys are doing a fantastic job and I appreciate your efforts.

Now that I've got you buttered up, I have a question about the service time for the PAP
- On the first Sunday of each month a public poll will take place in the C3V public section. That poll will consist of a list of names chosen by the Inner Sanctum.
- The poll will close in 48 hours.
- On the last day of that same month, those two members will be required to create a new list of names for the next contestants and the the two will be removed from the sanctum.
So they start 2 days after the first Sunday of the month, I've got that, but I'm a little confused about when their term ends. Do they submit names the last day of the month, then serve until the new PAP members are elected, or do the just serve until the last day of the month?

[Griffin]

First, I just want you to know that I think you guys are doing a fantastic job and I appreciate your efforts.

Now that I've got you buttered up, I have a question about the service time for the PAP
- On the first Sunday of each month a public poll will take place in the C3V public section. That poll will consist of a list of names chosen by the Inner Sanctum.
- The poll will close in 48 hours.
- On the last day of that same month, those two members will be required to create a new list of names for the next contestants and the the two will be removed from the sanctum.
So they start 2 days after the first Sunday of the month, I've got that, but I'm a little confused about when their term ends. Do they submit names the last day of the month, then serve until the new PAP members are elected, or do the just serve until the last day of the month?
On the last day of the month, the two are pulled out, and by that time, they will have put together a list of names for the next poll. Then, the poll goes up on the first Sunday.

[Killometer]

On the last day of the month, the two are pulled out, and by that time, they will have put together a list of names for the next poll. Then, the poll goes up on the first Sunday.

Ah, so I should have just followed the old HS mantra-"Do what the card says, not what it doesn't say." :oops:

[Griffin]

:lol: Sure.

[quozl]

C3G Points (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1232701&postcount=46) (Why is this in a C3V thread? Ask Griffin.)

[ZBeeblebrox]

Great idea...thanks for all the hard tiring work guys!!

[Griffin]

I'm worried about you, Griff. You need to sleep sometime.
Yeah, I have been up for more than 24 hours now... gotta stay up til bed time though, that way I can get some sleep at the appropriate time.

[Lamaclown]

I have been staying up with Bats, Gbob, and GreyOwl each night working extremely hard to get the Inner Sanctum and the C3V public section set up...
You guys all rock and anyone who doesn't appreciate this effort... well... may all of their rolls be DW rolls!

(I know, I know, it is a horrible curse but one that such a person has earned. :D)

[Dredd Stev]

This might be the best way possible to allow a little transparency to the project that some members of the community really want (and in some cases outright demand!) Big time props on this guys, a very well thought out plan!

[nyys]

That was just cruel Lama... cruel. ;)

[IAmBatman]

OK, I've got another public announcement for all of you!
We've selected "reps" for each department other than the Art Department (negotiations are ongoing). Once we finalize each of our "reps," I'll be posting the promised questionnaire, and you'll be asked to respond to the reps of the top two departments you're interested in joining with your qualifications and reasons for wanting to join.
Here's the following list of "reps," as well as the department designations for our "founding fathers" (and GBob has a slot guaranteed as well.)

DESIGN
Sherman Davies (rep)
GreyOwl
Griffin

EXECUTIVE REVIEW BOARD
1Mmirg (rep)
Grungebob
IAmBatman

LEAD PLAYTESTERS
Kinseth (rep)

ART DEPARTMENT
TBA

EDITORIAL STAFF
Agent Minivann (rep)

Please congratulate all of our new Reps as we start the hard work of vetting members to fill out our Inner Sanctum!
Also please rest assured that if you don't "make the cut" for the Inner Sanctum, that your ideas and participation in public will continue to be of value for the group and something we'll hope to see in the future.

[IAmBatman]

P.S. Jexik is probably pretty much a lock for the Design team too, just to warn you guys. Not to be an "elitist," but can't really turn down a guy who worked on the official game, you know. ;-) (And I wouldn't want to either! In fact, we recruited the heck out of him!)

[Lamaclown]

Please congratulate all of our new Reps as we start the hard work of vetting members to fill out our Inner Sanctum!
http://www.studiotumbao.com/myspace/applauding.gif

To all of you.

[Griffin]

:lol: Love it :up:

[Killometer]

DESIGN
EXECUTIVE REVIEW BOARD
LEAD PLAYTESTERS
ART DEPARTMENT
EDITORIAL STAFF


I remember it was covered somewhere in the first C3V thread, but could you give us a down-and-dirty version of each groups responsibilities (especially the differences between the ERB and the Ed. staff).

[Griffin]

DESIGN
EXECUTIVE REVIEW BOARD
LEAD PLAYTESTERS
ART DEPARTMENT
EDITORIAL STAFF


I remember it was covered somewhere in the first C3V thread, but could you give us a down-and-dirty version of each groups responsibilities (especially the differences between the ERB and the Ed. staff).


The very rough version:

DESIGNERS) It is the Designer's job to continually discuss and create new additions to the game of Classic Heroscape.


EXECUTIVE REVIEW BOARD) It is the E.R.B.'s job to review each design and discuss the big picture and direct the group in a way that fits the Classic Heroscape aesthetic giving C3V a long term vision and big picture. E.R.B. can comment in any C3V thread at any time, as they are the watch dogs of the group's direction and long term vision.


LEAD PLAYTESTERS) It is the Lead Playtesters' job to do the initial playtest on each design sent to them by the Designer's sub-group.


EDITORS) It is the Editors' job to review the grammar and textual aesthetics of the card and correct the text if necessary.


ARTISTS) It is the Artists' job to create a finished downloadable/printable product of the design.

[ZBeeblebrox]

Please congratulate all of our new Reps as we start the hard work of vetting members to fill out our Inner Sanctum!
http://www.studiotumbao.com/myspace/applauding.gif

To all of you.


Well can't top that...so I'll just copy it ;) Sorry Lama.

[Lamaclown]

Please congratulate all of our new Reps as we start the hard work of vetting members to fill out our Inner Sanctum!
http://www.studiotumbao.com/myspace/applauding.gif

To all of you.


Well can't top that...so I'll just copy it ;) Sorry Lama.
the more applause the better :D

[Griffin]

:oops: You guys are too much.

[Karat]

Please congratulate all of our new Reps as we start the hard work of vetting members to fill out our Inner Sanctum!
http://www.studiotumbao.com/myspace/applauding.gif

To all of you.


Well can't top that...so I'll just copy it ;) Sorry Lama.
the more applause the better :D
This is really good, but they deserve better than can be shown:bowdown::toast::cheer:

[Scapemaster]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?

[A3n]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

[TurtleKing99]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

To prevent inflammatory comments, a "design discussion thread" could be run alongside it.
To retain the "celebration" factor, perhaps you could reveal them when you're partially done (say, 3/4)? Even if revealed just a week before voting for inclusion, you'll be able to see the community's input which could influence your decisions.

Founders, take all the time you need. The longer you take, the more likely you'll have a better system.

I am not trying to rehash the same discussion. I am presenting my ideas. (which were never mentioned in the other thread)

[Scapemaster]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

EDIT: Partially :ninja:'d by TK99

[Lamaclown]

I don't know if this will do anything, but, we just had this long drawn out discussion in the first thread about C3V.

Please, please let's not rehash it here.

The C3V guys have done a great job and have worked hard on a plan to include us; let's not browbeat them again. I know that is probably not the intention of anyone but I am starting to feel sorry for the C3V guys. They put in long hours and then get told that their work basically wasn't worth the time because it is not how others think it should be.

This is a customs project, no rule says they even had to include anyone other than themselves but they have gone out of their way to include us.

Let this thread be a joy to come to and read about the most recent developments instead of what the other thread became.

[tcglkn]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.

[Griffin]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

EDIT: Partially :ninja:'d by TK99


Thanks for your interest.

I hope this helps:

Suggestions for the C3V Design Team (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405)

Public Access Program (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1257057&postcount=13)

[Scapemaster]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

EDIT: Partially :ninja:'d by TK99


Thanks for your interest.

I hope this helps:

Suggestions for the C3V Design Team (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405)

Public Access Program (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1257057&postcount=13)

Only 2 outside members per month? Seems a bit too exclusive, too remote. How does one even get "chosen" by the Inner Sanctum?

[ZBeeblebrox]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

EDIT: Partially :ninja:'d by TK99


Thanks for your interest.

I hope this helps:

Suggestions for the C3V Design Team (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405)

Public Access Program (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1257057&postcount=13)

Only 2 outside members per month? Seems a bit too exclusive, too remote. How does one even get "chosen" by the Inner Sanctum?


Are you serious??? Are we on this kick again? We never had access with Hasbro and WoTC. So why should we have it with this?

This is a organized group who have gone out of their way to recruit actual people who worked on the last few waves and have begun a great project to continue our game. And all I keep seeing is self-entitled A$$es who believe it is our right to know everything. Well get a fraking clue! We have no right to know what's going on and I'm tired of you people.
Not only have they opened this up to the public, but they are taking members of this community and are also oping it up to random members each month. More than you deserve.

Here's a suggestion, sign up if you interested...then Griff will send you a questionnaire and maybe if you really do deserve it you will be one of the lucky ones chose to work behind the scenes; helping to prolong our favorite game!

[Griffin]

Can you help me understand this whole "Inner Sanctum" and "Secret Design Threads?" Why do you feel it necessary to hide the inner-happenings of the designing, if this is intended as a community project? What is wrong with making the forums available to ALL, but only post-able by a few?
Because there will still be PM's & random inflamatory comments in other threads about this or that decision made. Also if everybody sees the unit being made there is no cause to celebrate it when it's released. A bit like the public designs of the C3G, no splash when any of them are released. :(

Cheers

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

EDIT: Partially :ninja:'d by TK99


Thanks for your interest.

I hope this helps:

Suggestions for the C3V Design Team (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405)

Public Access Program (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showpost.php?p=1257057&postcount=13)

Only 2 outside members per month? Seems a bit too exclusive, too remote. How does one even get "chosen" by the Inner Sanctum?2 is all that is gonna happen at once.

The choosing process will be done by the 2 public members just before they leave. They will have to choose 10 names (I think 10 is the maximum entries for a poll) to be placed in the poll. Then the public will decide the next two that go into the sanctum by voting.

[tcglkn]

Are you serious??? Are we on this kick again? We never had access with Hasbro and WoTC. So why should we have it with this?

This is a organized group who have gone out of their way to recruit actual people who worked on the last few waves and have begun a great project to continue our game. And all I keep seeing is self-entitled A$$es who believe it is our right to know everything. Well get a fraking clue! We have no right to know what's going on and I'm tired of you people.
Not only have they opened this up to the public, but they are taking members of this community and are also oping it up to random members each month. More than you deserve.

Here's a suggestion, sign up if you interested...then Griff will send you a questionnaire and maybe if you really do deserve it you will be one of the lucky ones chose to work behind the scenes; helping to prolong our favorite game!

:word: Well put ZBrox. I think this is the mentality that most people have, since this is a community group, anyone should have access. Well not everyone gets equal access. This is to preserve the quality of the designs. If you want to be involved: earn your keep! Make the group value you input and assistance.

This is a better chance at being involved than we ever had with Hasbro/WotC, how many of you had the chance to earn your way into designing units. Heck most of us couldn't even playtest the units. The C3V is being very open and all every does is complain that we are being too exclusive. If you want to slap some customs together just to get some praise, then start your own thread.

[Scapemaster]

Are you serious??? Are we on this kick again? We never had access with Hasbro and WoTC. So why should we have it with this?

This is a organized group who have gone out of their way to recruit actual people who worked on the last few waves and have begun a great project to continue our game. And all I keep seeing is self-entitled A$$es who believe it is our right to know everything. Well get a fraking clue! We have no right to know what's going on and I'm tired of you people.
Not only have they opened this up to the public, but they are taking members of this community and are also oping it up to random members each month. More than you deserve.

Here's a suggestion, sign up if you interested...then Griff will send you a questionnaire and maybe if you really do deserve it you will be one of the lucky ones chose to work behind the scenes; helping to prolong our favorite game!
Woah, no need to get edgy, I was just concerned for the availableness of this group. I don't see why you are so touchy towards a curious member of this grand community.
Hasbro and WoTC never allowed us to see what was happening for various reasons, most of which are not applicable in this instance.

Now, sorry for hi-jacking this thread so much, but Griffin, I don't suppose I could see on of those questionaires? :o

[Kaiyu]

Not to stir the pot after it already has been by so many people... but... before you call HSers who want to have more involvement "self-entitles a$$es," it was the so called "inner-sanctum" who already self-entitled themselves as the "future of Heroscape" first. Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

The arguments you make are valid when in perspective of a corperation, but this is a custom project, based from the community, for the community, and if you're claiming to be the future of this community, has no right leaving the community out of involvement.

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.

Good luck to all in all of your endeavors.
~Kaiyu

[Griffin]

Are you serious??? Are we on this kick again? We never had access with Hasbro and WoTC. So why should we have it with this?

This is a organized group who have gone out of their way to recruit actual people who worked on the last few waves and have begun a great project to continue our game. And all I keep seeing is self-entitled A$$es who believe it is our right to know everything. Well get a fraking clue! We have no right to know what's going on and I'm tired of you people.
Not only have they opened this up to the public, but they are taking members of this community and are also oping it up to random members each month. More than you deserve.

Here's a suggestion, sign up if you interested...then Griff will send you a questionnaire and maybe if you really do deserve it you will be one of the lucky ones chose to work behind the scenes; helping to prolong our favorite game!
Woah, no need to get edgy, I was just concerned for the availableness of this group. I don't see why you are so touchy towards a curious member of this grand community.
Hasbro and WoTC never allowed us to see what was happening for various reasons, most of which are not applicable in this instance.

Now, sorry for hi-jacking this thread so much, but Griffin, I don't suppose I could see on of those questionaires? :o
I can send you one when everyone else gets one - hopefully tonight.

EDIT: If ZBee gets hot or anyone else, it is likely because we just recently underwent a lot of heat from two members ridiculing our process and intentions.

[ZBeeblebrox]

Not to stir the pot after it already has been by so many people... but... before you call HSers who want to have more involvement "self-entitles a$$es," it was the so called "inner-sanctum" who already self-entitled themselves as the "future of Heroscape" first. Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

~Kaiyu

What?? How is having open play-testing, recruiting people form this site, Asking for design ideas and opening up the process to two lucky people (who by the way are nominated by the public)...not letting HSers being included? I don't know about you, but that it sounds to me that they are exactly including HSers.

[Griffin]

Not to stir the pot after it already has been by so many people... but... before you call HSers who want to have more involvement "self-entitles a$$es," it was the so called "inner-sanctum" who already self-entitled themselves as the "future of Heroscape" first. Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

~Kaiyu

What?? How is having open play-testing, recruiting people form this site, Asking for design ideas and opening up the process to two lucky people (who by the way are nominated by the public)...not letting HSers being included? I don't know about you, but that it sounds to me that they are exactly including HSers.
Thanks Zbee. Clearly, some people will never be satisfied. Glad to see some people see that we are really trying to be as transparent as we can get away with without losing quality.

[tcglkn]

Thanks Zbee. Clearly, some people will never be satisfied. Glad to see some people see that we are really trying to be as transparent as we can get away with without losing quality.

That is the most important point here.

[ZBeeblebrox]

Are you serious??? Are we on this kick again? We never had access with Hasbro and WoTC. So why should we have it with this?

This is a organized group who have gone out of their way to recruit actual people who worked on the last few waves and have begun a great project to continue our game. And all I keep seeing is self-entitled A$$es who believe it is our right to know everything. Well get a fraking clue! We have no right to know what's going on and I'm tired of you people.
Not only have they opened this up to the public, but they are taking members of this community and are also oping it up to random members each month. More than you deserve.

Here's a suggestion, sign up if you interested...then Griff will send you a questionnaire and maybe if you really do deserve it you will be one of the lucky ones chose to work behind the scenes; helping to prolong our favorite game!
Woah, no need to get edgy, I was just concerned for the availableness of this group. I don't see why you are so touchy towards a curious member of this grand community.
Hasbro and WoTC never allowed us to see what was happening for various reasons, most of which are not applicable in this instance.

Now, sorry for hi-jacking this thread so much, but Griffin, I don't suppose I could see on of those questionaires? :o
I can send you one when everyone else gets one - hopefully tonight.

EDIT: If ZBee gets hot or anyone else, it is likely because we just recently underwent a lot of heat from two members ridiculing our process and intentions.

And I have a lot of passion for this game, and since I've been on this site...I have produced quite a bit of respect for Bats, Griff, Grey Owl, Grungebob, Jexix and Atmospro...so I hate to see their hard work dumped on.

[Scapemaster]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
:oops: Sorry I missed this post. It fills in a big chunk of questions I had, and I merely skipped over it. Wouldn't it be more prudent for some hard-core members, not part of the play-test group be able to see, even a little bit, before it is released, for some... beta testing?

Kaiyu has a valid point however, if others don't like it, they/we don't have to use it. I will apologize for my incesent questions, and what probably seems like inane pestering. I am just uninformed on the ways of the C3G.

[TurtleKing99]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
So is this after the unit has completely passed, or will the community still be able to make suggestions?

[Kaiyu]

And thanks everyone for picking things I say out of context... should I repeat?

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.

Good luck to all in all of your endeavors.
~Kaiyu

I'm not attacking your project. Good day.

[GreyOwl]

The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

The arguments you make are valid when in perspective of a corperation, but this is a custom project, based from the community, for the community, and if you're claiming to be the future of this community, has no right leaving the community out of involvement.

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.


Honestly, I think you're going a little overboard here. I mean, when the game was being officially produced, Hasbro/WotC created figures for HSers.com (and also others). It was based from the community (the lead designers and playtesters are well-respected members here), for the community (many hints and previews were dropped here, not available elsewhere), it was the future of this community, and yet this community was completely left out of involvement. Oh, and they charged you money for all their time and effort.

So we're doing the same, but 1) for FREE, 2) more open so you can see the rules and processes, 3) we let you suggest ideas, 4) we let anyone playtest, and we 5) even take two members (selected by the community) into whatever team they want for a month to participate, including voting privileges.

And for the record, we never claimed to be the future. What we did was ask if that's what people wanted, and the community overwhelmingly supported the idea.

[GreyOwl]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
So is this after the unit has completely passed, or will the community still be able to make suggestions?

After it's released. But you can make your suggestions way before it gets that far. In fact, there's already a thread that's 15 pages long for people to suggest ideas, and honestly I don't see all the people complaining about "inclusiveness" participating in there. It's been there and active for days - if you have suggestions, by all means go make them.

[Lamaclown]

Not to stir the pot after it already has been by so many people... but... before you call HSers who want to have more involvement "self-entitles a$$es," it was the so called "inner-sanctum" who already self-entitled themselves as the "future of Heroscape" first. Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

The arguments you make are valid when in perspective of a corperation, but this is a custom project, based from the community, for the community, and if you're claiming to be the future of this community, has no right leaving the community out of involvement.

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.

Good luck to all in all of your endeavors.
~Kaiyu
I have never used this smilie before because it seems rude but...
:roll:
Your post is erroneous in its statements. These guys asked the community if C3V was the future; they didn't claim it was.
Also it would be ridiculous to assume they wouldn't be the inner sanctum of the project they started. They have the right to it, others don't.

People can't complain that there is no community involvement because there is. When people complain it is because they can't be involved as much as they think they have the right to be- that is called entitlement.

Your closing sentences are right on though. I wish others would share that view.

[ZBeeblebrox]

And thanks everyone for picking things I say out of context... should I repeat?

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.

Good luck to all in all of your endeavors.
~KaiyuI'm not attacking your project. Good day.

Sorry kaiyu, I just tired of people saying there's no community involvement and all I see is community involvement. I did not mean to call you out, because I respect what you have done for this community with your Heroes of Space RPG (which looks awesome BTW); but when you said you do not see HSer involvement it rubbed me the wrong way.

I apologize for my passion, but I do have passion for this game and the people trying to preserve it.

[Lamaclown]

And thanks everyone for picking things I say out of context... should I repeat?

That said, there isn't really any reason to complain, because if I don't like your project, I just don't use your customs. Simple as that.

Good luck to all in all of your endeavors.
~KaiyuI'm not attacking your project. Good day.

Sorry kaiyu, I just tired of people saying there's no community involvement and all I see is community involvement. I did not mean to call you out, because I respect what you have done for this community with your Heroes of Space RPG (which looks awesome BTW); but when you said you do not see HSer involvement it rubbed me the wrong way.

I apologize for my passion, but I do have passion for this game and the people trying to preserve it.
Ditto for me , kaiyu. This is the second time now I have expressed myself poorly on this topic. Maybe I'll sit it out. Besides I know the C3v guys don't need me to defend them.

[TurtleKing99]

Not to stir the pot after it already has been by so many people... but... before you call HSers who want to have more involvement "self-entitles a$$es," it was the so called "inner-sanctum" who already self-entitled themselves as the "future of Heroscape" first. Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

~Kaiyu

What?? How is having open play-testing, recruiting people form this site, Asking for design ideas and opening up the process to two lucky people (who by the way are nominated by the public)...not letting HSers being included? I don't know about you, but that it sounds to me that they are exactly including HSers.
It was my understanding that hhey aren't nominated by the public, but by the previous two. (Can they nominate themselves?)


Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
So is this after the unit has completely passed, or will the community still be able to make suggestions?

After it's released. But you can make your suggestions way before it gets that far. In fact, there's already a thread that's 15 pages long for people to suggest ideas, and honestly I don't see all the people complaining about "inclusiveness" participating in there. It's been there and active for days - if you have suggestions, by all means go make them.

So the general community will not be able to make more detailed suggestions. For example, The C3V decides to make Skeletons, and takes them to the private forums. Someone there will say "How about we give them regeneration?" And everyone agrees. The community will have no say in which form of regeneration that is. This is why I am suggesting a short period of time for the community to view the custom before it's final approval, and make suggestions for it one final time.

This doesn't seem to be the correct place for this discussion - Could we perhaps move it to a different thread? (The "Design team" doesn't really have the power to change according to the suggestions I'm making)

[GreyOwl]

The previous two members nominate the next 10 nominees (not themselves). The public then votes on those 10.

The thing about your last suggestion is that at the end, it is way too late to make any changes. It would invalidate all the playtesting that had been done, for one. But at the beginning, you can post any idea you have - including power ideas, figure ideas, synergy, mini choices, or anything else.

[IAmBatman]

kaiyu0707 I appreciate what you're saying in your closing sentences - I just wish you would've thought of that before bothering to post the rest. If you're not really concerned with the project, why come here and bag on it? Just seems silly to me.

[Killometer]

http://archvillain.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/not-this-again.jpg

This has already been discussed (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33277) to the point that it required the thread being locked.

Maybe that thread should be unlocked, so that these opinions can continue being expressed there instead of swallowing another C3V thread. :shrug:

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... maybe we need a C3V HR department to throw all of your complaints in ...

[ZBeeblebrox]

The previous two members nominate the next 10 nominees (not themselves). The public then votes on those 10.

The thing about your last suggestion is that at the end, it is way too late to make any changes. It would invalidate all the playtesting that had been done, for one. But at the beginning, you can post any idea you have - including power ideas, figure ideas, synergy, mini choices, or anything else.

Grey Owl I do have a question.

Hopefully it may clear things up. Will the inner sanctum publicly say we are working on insert unit ?

For instance, will the inner sanctum list units that will go through the process like:

We will be working on:

Skeleton squad
Lizardfolk Hero
Raptorian Hero
Ranged Viper Squad

Do you have any suggestions?


Or will the design crew sift through our posted suggestions for things that they would like to try and determine how to proceed from there?

I am a little confused on how things will progress from the suggestion thread.

[Killometer]

Hmm ... maybe we need a C3V HR department to throw all of your complaints in ...

I nominate IMax to be in charge of that. :withimax:


:twisted:

[IAmBatman]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
:oops: Sorry I missed this post. It fills in a big chunk of questions I had, and I merely skipped over it. Wouldn't it be more prudent for some hard-core members, not part of the play-test group be able to see, even a little bit, before it is released, for some... beta testing?

Kaiyu has a valid point however, if others don't like it, they/we don't have to use it. I will apologize for my incesent questions, and what probably seems like inane pestering. I am just uninformed on the ways of the C3G.

The previous two members nominate the next 10 nominees (not themselves). The public then votes on those 10.

The thing about your last suggestion is that at the end, it is way too late to make any changes. It would invalidate all the playtesting that had been done, for one. But at the beginning, you can post any idea you have - including power ideas, figure ideas, synergy, mini choices, or anything else.

Grey Owl I do have a question.

Hopefully it may clear things up. Will the inner sanctum publicly say we are working on insert unit ?

For instance, will the inner sanctum list units that will go through the process like:

We will be working on:

Skeleton squad
Lizardfolk Hero
Raptorian Hero
Ranged Viper Squad

Do you have any suggestions?


Or will the design crew sift through our posted suggestions for things that they would like to try and determine how to proceed from there?

I am a little confused on how things will progress from the suggestion thread.

The design team will work on what they decide to work on when they decide to without directly informing or consulting the public. They'll take public suggestions and ideas seriously though, and glean what they want from them.
It's important to know, when posting ideas in the Brainstorming thread, that those ideas are no longer "your ideas" at that point, they're C3V ideas.

[Kaiyu]

You people are acting far too highstrung and dramatic for my taste. How about we try to remember why you guys are doing this. To play Heroscape. And why do you play Heroscape? To have fun. Because of all the needless tension and flaring tempers, you're turning something intended for fun into a bloodbath. I'm shocked by the behavior of the people involved in this C3V project so far. Go for a walk. Spend time with your family. I really don't think Heroscape is something worth this much stress in your life.

[IAmBatman]

Please address any further concerns or complaints about this project to this thread. (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=1258264#post1258264) Further hijacks here will be moved or deleted.

Thanks,
Bats

[ZBeeblebrox]

Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be more intriguing to see how all this inside workings work? The other threads can be ignored, the PM deleted. Plus, to get a more well-rounded unit, shouldn't ideas be able to come from anyone, not just a select few?

You can see how the inner working happen when a unit gets released. The Mods move the whole thread to the public area.
:oops: Sorry I missed this post. It fills in a big chunk of questions I had, and I merely skipped over it. Wouldn't it be more prudent for some hard-core members, not part of the play-test group be able to see, even a little bit, before it is released, for some... beta testing?

Kaiyu has a valid point however, if others don't like it, they/we don't have to use it. I will apologize for my incesent questions, and what probably seems like inane pestering. I am just uninformed on the ways of the C3G.

The previous two members nominate the next 10 nominees (not themselves). The public then votes on those 10.

The thing about your last suggestion is that at the end, it is way too late to make any changes. It would invalidate all the playtesting that had been done, for one. But at the beginning, you can post any idea you have - including power ideas, figure ideas, synergy, mini choices, or anything else.

Grey Owl I do have a question.

Hopefully it may clear things up. Will the inner sanctum publicly say we are working on insert unit ?

For instance, will the inner sanctum list units that will go through the process like:

We will be working on:

Skeleton squad
Lizardfolk Hero
Raptorian Hero
Ranged Viper Squad

Do you have any suggestions?


Or will the design crew sift through our posted suggestions for things that they would like to try and determine how to proceed from there?

I am a little confused on how things will progress from the suggestion thread.

The design team will work on what they decide to work on when they decide to without directly informing or consulting the public. They'll take public suggestions and ideas seriously though, and glean what they want from them.
It's important to know, when posting ideas in the Brainstorming thread, that those ideas are no longer "your ideas" at that point, they're C3V ideas.

Thanks for the clarification Bats...That answers my question.

BTW: The design crew is going to have one big headache of taking info on the suggestion thread and sifting through it for ideas. Good Luck ;)

[Scapemaster]

The design team will work on what they decide to work on when they decide to without directly informing or consulting the public. They'll take public suggestions and ideas seriously though, and glean what they want from them.
It's important to know, when posting ideas in the Brainstorming thread, that those ideas are no longer "your ideas" at that point, they're C3V ideas.

Not to "complain" or anything overly whiny, but why is it when I ask a question, I get flamed for something I was unaware that was happening, and when one of these flamers ask a question, he gets a nice calm answer.:( I also realize that ZBeeb is a well respected contributer around here, just saying.

JUST pointing out, that SOME members here *coughgriffin'n'greyowlcough* were VERY kind and considerate to my pestering.

Now I feel responsible for this whole fiasco, so I feel that I "canhas" the right to request that this thread returns to intentions of the OP.

[IAmBatman]

I wasn't around when you posted earlier. :-D

[ZBeeblebrox]

The design team will work on what they decide to work on when they decide to without directly informing or consulting the public. They'll take public suggestions and ideas seriously though, and glean what they want from them.
It's important to know, when posting ideas in the Brainstorming thread, that those ideas are no longer "your ideas" at that point, they're C3V ideas.

Not to "complain" or anything overly whiny, but why is it when I ask a question, I get flamed for something I was unaware that was happening, and when one of these flamers ask a question, he gets a nice calm answer.:( I also realize that ZBeeb is a well respected contributer around here, just saying.

JUST pointing out, that SOME members here *coughgriffin'n'greyowlcough* were VERY kind and considerate to my pestering.

You're right Scapemaster...I got overheated because I keep seeing these complaints and it has not even started yet. And I'm not a member of the C3V group...just a future fan.

[tcglkn]

I have a question about the Public Access plan. If a person chooses to join the Design Team, they get all the rights of that group, they are allowed to design a unit correct? What happens if their design takes longer than a month to complete?

[GreyOwl]

Someone else picks it up. But honestly, if you come in with a solid plan, the design shouldn't take that long. Remember it's not the whole process like in C3G, this is only the design phase.

[IAmBatman]

Yep, if you screw around and your design gets started late in the month and you don't have time to complete it, that's on you. There are others knocking on the door. :-)

[Griffin]

Yep, if you screw around and your design gets started late in the month and you don't have time to complete it, that's on you. There are others knocking on the door. :-)
And it should be clear, that there will be NO "my design" in C3V. This is a joint project with lots of people in the community touching each design and shaping it into what it is. So, if there is a great custom, we can all be proud of it. And if there is a poor design, well then we all have to share the embarrassment of that one. :p But hopefully, we won't be producing poor results. :D

[ZBeeblebrox]

Yep, if you screw around and your design gets started late in the month and you don't have time to complete it, that's on you. There are others knocking on the door. :-)
And it should be clear, that there will be NO "my design" in C3V. This is a joint project with lots of people in the community touching each design and shaping it into what it is. So, if there is a great custom, we can all be proud of it. And if there is a poor design, well then we all have to share the embarrassment of that one. :p But hopefully, we won't be producing poor results. :D

Not on your watch, Griff ;)

[Griffin]

The Rules and Goals are now in the first post of this thread. Enjoy. :)

[tcglkn]

Got a time frame for the questionnaire? I just want to know if I should stay up or wait until the morning.

[Griffin]

Going out late tonight, like maybe around 1am eastern.

[DeathDoom]

Got a time frame for the questionnaire? I just want to know if I should stay up or wait until the morning.
This.

:ninja: 'd by Griff

[tcglkn]

I'll catch it in the morning. Thanks for letting me know.

[IAmBatman]

We might even get it out sooner here in fact ...

[Sherman Davies]

Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

Y'know, kaiyu0707 is right - we should charge money for the C3V creations. Not to mention our time. Then our processes would be completely justified, amirite? Who's with me? ;)

[IAmBatman]

Not to mention, WotC and Hasbro were 1) selling their products and 2) selling them to more than just HSers.com. The C3V is creating customs for HSers.com, but will not let HSers be included?

Y'know, kaiyu0707 is right - we should charge money for the C3V creations. Not to mention our time. Then our processes would be completely justified, amirite? Who's with me? ;)

Other than the copyright infringement aspect, absolutely! :-D

[Flame Gryphon]

So...not to bug anybody, but I have school tommorow, so...are the questionairres coming soon?

[IAmBatman]

I sure hope so! :-) I'm waiting for Griffin to talk to me, but he's on an important call right now. I'm fired up and ready to get the ball rolling, though!

[IAmBatman]

The following is an informal survey:

This C3V Membership Interest Survey is designed to help figure out which role in the group you're most interested in - and which role you'd best fit in! Keep in mind that there is limited room in each section, some roles may already be mostly filled, some roles may be more popular than others, and that members currently in the Inner Sanctum will be discussing the selection of these members and choosing members appropriate to fill out the various Departments.
Please choose up to TWO sections you'd be interested in participating in and pm the leader of that group with a short message detailing your qualifications for that section of the group and why you'd be interested in it.
You have 48 hours from this posting to respond if you wish to be considered!

Thanks for your interest!
GreyOwl, Griffin, and Bats :-)

DESIGNERS) It is the Designer's job to continually discuss and create new additions to the game of Heroscape. They will be responsible for monitoring and posting in Brainstorming threads and collaborating on initial designs. The Lead Designer for each Design will stay involved throughout the process. If you would like to be a Designer for C3V, send a Private Message to Sherman Davies.

EXECUTIVE REVIEW BOARD) It is the E.R.B.'s job to review each design and discuss the big picture and direct the group in a way that fits the Heroscape aesthetic giving C3V a long term vision and big picture. If you would like to be on the ERB for C3V, send a Private Message to 1Mmirg


LEAD PLAYTESTERS) It is the Lead Playtesters' job to do the initial playtest on each design sent to them by the Designer's sub-group. Lead Designers will also be the "Public Face" of C3V, dispersing designs amongst interested playtesters, organizing, analyzing, and sharing the results of these playtests, answering playtesting questions for the public, and coordinating with the Lead Designers. If you would like to be a Lead Playtester for C3V, send a Private Message to Kinseth

EDITORS) It is the Editors' job to review the grammar and textual aesthetics of the card and correct the text if necessary. Basically we're looking for our OCD nitpickers. ;-) If you would like to be an Editor for C3V, send a Private Message to Agent Minivann

ART DEPARTMENT) It is the Art Department's job to create a finished downloadable/printable product of the design. Not just card makers are desired here. We'd also love to hear any interest from talented and capable Photographers and even Miniature Sculpters. If you would like to be in the Art Department for C3V, send a Private Message to GreyOwl (GreyOwl is not in the Art Department, but he's proxying as a rep for them).

Do not reply directly to this message, or your application will not be considered!

[tcglkn]

Griffin said somewhere yesterday that you would be filling roles today, but the survey is not due for 48 hours. How will that work?

[Griffin]

Griffin said somewhere yesterday that you would be filling roles today, but the survey is not due for 48 hours. How will that work?
We are working on sorting names as the results come in over the next few days. So we have begun working today, but we won't finish until we say we are done.

[tcglkn]

So as you get the PMs, you will take them and place the names in a list in order of significance?

[IAmBatman]

Our reps are posting the names of the people who pm them and general thoughts on the responses given (we maintain the right to ask for more information on the pm's when necessary), and the reps are updating their posts to add new people as we go.
We have a thread devoted to member selection and we're all discussing the names as they come in. No hard and fast "ranking" or anything like that. We'll just see where the conversation goes.

[tcglkn]

Ok, well I didn't include much in my PM because y'all will have enough to read, basically I just referenced my experience in the C3G. :shrug:

[Scapemage]

When and where will the announcement be concerning who gets which position? I assume it will be here. I'm also estimating 5-10 people per position depending on the position itself.

I submitted two applications. One for Designer and one for Editor. I hope I get one. I forgot to mention C3G in my PMs though...

[Griffin]

Honestly, being a part of C3G may be more of a detriment than an asset right now. There are some within the sanctum (I am one of them) that believe that bringing too many people over from C3G is not enough diversity in C3V nor is it respectful to the community. There are lots of talented people in this community that are not a part of C3G, and they should have a chance to shine if possible.

That doesn't meant that if you are a C3G member you are automatically denied (that would be somewhat hypocritical coming from me :lol:), but what it does mean is that we are considering every angle and every applicant.

[DragonSlayer2]

Ok, well I didn't include much in my PM because y'all will have enough to read, basically I just referenced my experience in the C3G. :shrug:

I felt the same way.....I just gave one example of a custom I made and play tested. The best thing of it is, about 6months-year (maybe longer) later a fig with almost the same power and points was released. (ironically people said that his powers would never be used in real HS...he was to over priced and powerful.....so they said)

DragonSlayer2

[Griffin]

Ok, well I didn't include much in my PM because y'all will have enough to read, basically I just referenced my experience in the C3G. :shrug:

I felt the same way.....I just gave one example of a custom I made and play tested. The best thing of it is, about 6months-year (maybe longer) later a fig with almost the same power and points was released. (ironically people said that his powers would never be used in real HS...he was to over priced and powerful.....so they said)

DragonSlayer2
I want to see said custom. :D

[DragonSlayer2]

I posted it in a contest a long time ago, I dont know if I can even find it. I will try.

EDIT:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7467/generaldeathcardno9.jpg
link to contest I submitted it in http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=19501&page=24

The figure they came out with was kato in wave 8. He could move two squads. (I should finish General Death....he would go good with my newly purchased death knights.)

NOTE: I didnt make that fig or paint it.

[Griffin]

I posted it in a contest a long time ago, I dont know if I can even find it. I will try.

EDIT:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7467/generaldeathcardno9.jpg
link to contest I submitted it in http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=19501&page=24

The figure they came out with was kato in wave 8. He could move two squads. (I should finish General Death....he would go good with my newly purchased death knights.)

NOTE: I didnt make that fig or paint it.
Awesome. You know what I am impressed with the most? You know exactly what you should change and I assume you know why. :up:

[Taeblewalker]

I would make it 2 Utgar squads, and not the same squad twice. If you took two turns with Blastatrons, you also get to move 8 Gladiatrons. If you take two turns with the Nakitas, you get to move 6 Gorillinators. If you take two turns with MacDirks, Knights of Weston, Blade Gruts, Heavy Gruts, Arrow Gruts, Roman Soldiers, Greek Soldiers, GREENSCALES, for Pete's sake, you get two turns with two heroes, which could be Braxas twice!

I would consider seriously revising it, even beyond my Utgar "fix." Otherwise, it looks very good! I really like what you are going for.

[IAmBatman]

Ok, well I didn't include much in my PM because y'all will have enough to read, basically I just referenced my experience in the C3G. :shrug:

You're a known quantity for a GreyOwl, Griffin, and I at least.

When and where will the announcement be concerning who gets which position? I assume it will be here. I'm also estimating 5-10 people per position depending on the position itself.

I submitted two applications. One for Designer and one for Editor. I hope I get one. I forgot to mention C3G in my PMs though...

The 5-10 people per position estimate is way too high.

[tcglkn]

Ok, well I didn't include much in my PM because y'all will have enough to read, basically I just referenced my experience in the C3G. :shrug:

You're a known quantity for a GreyOwl, Griffin, and I at least.

That was what I was thinking. I figured I have worked with you guys enough that if you have faith in me I will get a position, nothing I could say in a short PM would be worth more than the work I've put into the C3G.

[Griffin]

I posted it in a contest a long time ago, I dont know if I can even find it. I will try.

EDIT:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7467/generaldeathcardno9.jpg
link to contest I submitted it in http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=19501&page=24

The figure they came out with was kato in wave 8. He could move two squads. (I should finish General Death....he would go good with my newly purchased death knights.)

NOTE: I didnt make that fig or paint it.
Awesome. You know what I am impressed with the most? You know exactly what you should change and I assume you know why. :up:
Well Dragon, you had some comments in this post that expressed what you would/should have changed, but apparently you deleted them right before I posted. A shame, I preemptively accredited you for the ability to critique yourself. ;)

[tcglkn]

I was wondering how deep you were reading into his message Griff cause I wasn't seeing anything that suggested he knew what to change. Lay off the Burt's Beer ;)

[IAmBatman]

This C3V Public Announcement was brought to you by Burt's Beer. You're looking like a beer in headlights. Yum.

[Griffin]

I was wondering how deep you were reading into his message Griff cause I wasn't seeing anything that suggested he knew what to change. Lay off the Burt's Beer ;)
I can't help it that he changed his post before I posted. :lol: Caught me off guard when Bats asked me what the heck I was talking about. :lol:

[tcglkn]

I'm guessing he had some suggested change about bonding squads?

[Sherman Davies]

When and where will the announcement be concerning who gets which position? I assume it will be here. I'm also estimating 5-10 people per position depending on the position itself.

The 5-10 people per position estimate is way too high.

The playtesting department might require a larger group though, right?

[IAmBatman]

When and where will the announcement be concerning who gets which position? I assume it will be here. I'm also estimating 5-10 people per position depending on the position itself.

The 5-10 people per position estimate is way too high.

The playtesting department might require a larger group though, right?

The playtesting department will be filled up by the community at large. We'll need about 4-5 Lead Designers to do initial playtests and guide the project.

[DragonSlayer2]

I was wondering how deep you were reading into his message Griff cause I wasn't seeing anything that suggested he knew what to change. Lay off the Burt's Beer ;)
I can't help it that he changed his post before I posted. :lol: Caught me off guard when Bats asked me what the heck I was talking about. :lol:

Sorry about that. I was going to, but then it just sounded like something people didnt need to read. I figured Id just do it myself if I ever got around to it. But seeing how I kinda already said something and then removed it....leaving you in a funny place I will give my revision ideas again. It was along the lines of....

Make the ambush more unit specific, and re-phrase to correct any kinks. (if order marker 3 is on General Death, you may instead take a turn with two different relentless squads who follow Utgar) Also, I would probably either reduce his attack, and/or possibly remove the deadly strike.

Sorry Griff, there is a little extra in there that I didnt have the first time.

[Griffin]

I was wondering how deep you were reading into his message Griff cause I wasn't seeing anything that suggested he knew what to change. Lay off the Burt's Beer ;)
I can't help it that he changed his post before I posted. :lol: Caught me off guard when Bats asked me what the heck I was talking about. :lol:

Sorry about that. I was going to, but then it just sounded like something people didnt need to read. I figured Id just do it myself if I ever got around to it. But seeing how I kinda already said something and then removed it....leaving you in a funny place I will give my revision ideas again. It was along the lines of....

Make the ambush more unit specific, and re-phrase to correct any kinks. (if order marker 3 is on General Death, you may instead take a turn with two different relentless squads who follow Utgar) Also, I would probably either reduce his attack, and/or possibly remove the deadly strike.

Sorry Griff, there is a little extra in there that I didnt have the first time.
:lol: Most of that sounds familiar. :p

Great review. :up:

[DragonSlayer2]

Just to say after trying it I found a few things else. I stated just order marker three. So I would re-word it as follows

AMBUSH: After revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different _____ squads who follow Utgar.

but you would still have a problem with the new death knights and any unit that bonds. You would get to move them, they bond with General Death. So on turn three you would be able to move General Death (bonding) squad (ambush) General Death normal movement. So I think there shoule be a clause that a unit activated by ambush cannot bond this turn.

So with that being said:

AMBUSH: After revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different _____ squads who follow Utgar. Any squad activated by ambush may not bond this turn.

That takes care of ambush. :D

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Just to say after trying it I found a few things else. I stated just order marker three. So I would re-word it as follows

AMBUSH: After revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different _____ squads who follow Utgar.

but you would still have a problem with the new death knights and any unit that bonds. You would get to move them, they bond with General Death. So on turn three you would be able to move General Death (bonding) squad (ambush) General Death normal movement. So I think there shoule be a clause that a unit activated by ambush cannot bond this turn.

So with that being said:

AMBUSH: After revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different _____ squads who follow Utgar. Any squad activated by ambush may not bond this turn.

That takes care of ambush. :D
Just to make it sound more "official"

AMBUSH After revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different ______ squads who follow Utgar. Any squad activated by ambush may not use any ability that activates prior to movement.

I'll check if that screws up any non-bonding abilities in a second...

EDIT- Nope, the anubians and hounds get screwed...

EDIT2- AMBUSH: after revealing order marker 3 on General Death, you may instead take a turn with up to two different _______ squads who follow Utgar. Any squad activated by ambush may not activate any abilities that allow them to take a turn with or move friendly figures.

Sounds good, I think.

[Taeblewalker]

I like it! Ambush should allow a variety of squads, and removing the Bonding option opens up more units for use. The only thing left to consider is whether you really want the high end squads, such as Minions, to take two turns, which would possibly make you rethink your cost for the General. At a high enough price, though, it isn't broken. You probably don't even need to limit it to a particular personality/species, etc.

[Sherman Davies]

Might wanna take any talk about Ambush here, (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405) guys. ;)

I also wanted to say to everyone who's sent in PMs for their applications: Please don't feel slighted if we do not respond to those PMs. All applications are being considered, but (at least for me) there are too many to reply to them all personally.

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Might wanna take any talk about Ambush here, (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405) guys. ;)

I also wanted to say to everyone who's sent in PMs for their applications: Please don't feel slighted if we do not respond to those PMs. All applications are being considered, but (at least for me) there are too many to reply to them all personally.
No offence taken. I didn't even expect a reply.

(:oops: I apoligize for hijacking this thread, it's been done enough)

[Griffin]

Alright, lets get those questionnaires in guys. We already have a bunch, and I am guessing a lot more are still floating out there. We are gonna have a hard time deciding who is chosen, there are so many great applicants for each group. Thanks to all who decide to continue to contribute and participate no matter what, you guys rock. We seriously have the greatest community of any custom game creators. Long live Heroscape! :D

[IAmBatman]

:stupid:

[DragonSlayer2]

Might wanna take any talk about Ambush here, (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33405) guys. ;)

I also wanted to say to everyone who's sent in PMs for their applications: Please don't feel slighted if we do not respond to those PMs. All applications are being considered, but (at least for me) there are too many to reply to them all personally.
No offence taken. I didn't even expect a reply.

(:oops: I apoligize for hijacking this thread, it's been done enough)

Yea....... sorry, I guess thats my fault. Seeing how it was my custom.

DragonSlayer2

[Griffin]

Database of available figures - a work in progress. ~ dok (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33517)


Thanks Dok. :up:

[tcglkn]

So how long are you guys going to pour over the list of PMs yall have received? When should we expect a list of the positions? I'm looking forward to how the sanctum fills out.

[Killometer]

So how long are you guys going to pour over the list of PMs yall have received? When should we expect a list of the positions? I'm looking forward to how the sanctum fills out.

Considering they're giving 48 hours to return them, and I only got mine 46 hours ago (I completed it yesterday, though :D), I figure it will be at least 3 more hours until the decisions are finalized. ;)

Edit: When all the positions are filled, will they be posted in the OP of this thread?

[tcglkn]

Well I didn't know if they would have a private poll or something once they got the complete list. I know it doesn't finalize till like 1am est.

[IAmBatman]

We're discussing things already, but we're giving until like 4 a.m. Eastern on Monday for all applications to be submitted. I'm wondering if we should post a list of finalists once we narrow down to them.

[Griffin]

We in the sanctum are not in a rush. We are doing our best to be selective and you guys made it very difficult for us. :p

I only hope that the ones that are not selected do not take it as a sign that they are not wanted. We plan on working with everyone publicly, but there are something like voting and analyzing things that is just better done in small groups.

[Griffin]

We're discussing things already, but we're giving until like 4 a.m. Eastern on Monday for all applications to be submitted. I'm wondering if we should post a list of finalists once we narrow down to them.
No, the sanctum should discuss, vote, decide, and then announce. It has always worked best that way.

[tcglkn]

I agree with Griffin that voting should be done in small groups. I know I won't leave just because I'm not selected for the sanctum. I plan on sticking around for as long as RL allows. :p

[Sherman Davies]

I only hope that the ones that are not selected do not take it as a sign that they are not wanted. We plan on working with everyone publicly...

Exactly. We're getting a lot of applications for very few positions. Obviously, most will not be picked for those spots but a lot of these applicants would make great temporary members down the line.

[IAmBatman]

Oh, I was never suggesting the public should vote on anything, just that we could let them know of our progress. :-) I figured some people might like knowing they were finalists even if they didn't make the cut. But I'm cool with just holding off and announcing the final results too.
And I agree that it's going to take us a while. You guys are all awesome, so lots of Sophie's choice going on.

[GreyOwl]

Just thought I should clarify this, based on the PMs I've been getting: The Art Team's primary focus is to make cards. This means we need people with Photoshop/GIMP experience and a demonstrated talent of making high-quality cards.

We don't currently have a sculpting/painting/drawing team, but those that applied, rest assured we will keep your names in case we do create such teams in the future.

And if you haven't applied yet, let's get on the ball people! :)

[tcglkn]

I was expecting the positions to be filled sometime today, when should we expect them to get filled?

[Griffin]

We aren't even planning on discussing it privately any further until Monday.

[tcglkn]

Ok thanks for working so hard on this. You guys are doing great. I am sure you guys will choose the people who are the best for their job.

[GreyOwl]

There has been no date set for when the positions will be filled. It all depends on how long it takes us to decide.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I'd be prepared to wait a week or two. We're not going to make these decisions lightly.

[Grungebob]

Yeah, I'd be prepared to wait a week or two. We're not going to make these decisions lightly.It would be good to maybe wait til after the holidays what with D3, the surprises we have planned etc, start 2011 off as the year Heroscape went all FANtastic.

[IAmBatman]

Well I don't think it'd hurt to name members before that. I think if we wait too long to even do that, we'll lose a lot of the excitement built up for this. We definitely won't be finishing or releasing any designs until some time in 2011 though ...

[GreyOwl]

Yeah, I'd be prepared to wait a week or two. We're not going to make these decisions lightly.It would be good to maybe wait til after the holidays what with D3, the surprises we have planned etc, start 2011 off as the year Heroscape went all FANtastic.

Huh ?! :D

[ZBeeblebrox]

Yeah, I'd be prepared to wait a week or two. We're not going to make these decisions lightly.It would be good to maybe wait til after the holidays what with D3, the surprises we have planned etc, start 2011 off as the year Heroscape went all FANtastic.

Huh ?! :D

Exactly what I was thinking GO. What surprises?

[tcglkn]

Plaid Hat games bought HeroScape. :woot: (a guy can dream can't he?)

[nyys]

Yeah, that's not fair GB. :)

[Sherman Davies]

Grungebob has gotten really sadistic over the years... :lol:

[PHippo]

Yeah, I'd be prepared to wait a week or two. We're not going to make these decisions lightly.It would be good to maybe wait til after the holidays what with D3, the surprises we have planned etc, start 2011 off as the year Heroscape went all FANtastic.

GB has gotten way to good at slipping in these sort of teaser statements. :lol:

[quozl]

Plaid Hat games bought HeroScape. :woot: (a guy can dream can't he?)

Are you talking about this?

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/0/9/wishful_thinking.jpg (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/showimage.php?i=7524&catid=newimages)

[Taeblewalker]

Plaid Hat games bought HeroScape. :woot: (a guy can dream can't he?)

Are you talking about this?

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/0/9/wishful_thinking.jpg


It lies! :lol:

[Karat]

Plaid Hat games bought HeroScape. :woot: (a guy can dream can't he?)

Are you talking about this?

http://www.heroscapers.com/community/gallery/files/1/0/9/wishful_thinking.jpg


It lies! :lol:
WE wish!!!!

[LordEsenwienIV]

Hey Bats, did Bunjee get back to you about the badge?

[IAmBatman]

No. No she did not.

[tcglkn]

I know y'all are in no rush, but any idea when the list of positions will be filled?

[IAmBatman]

We're waiting to hear from Kinseth on his nominees for finalists or for 48 hours to pass. Once one of those markers is hit, we'll take the list of finalists and begin voting to select members from that pool.

[tcglkn]

Thanks for the update, sometimes the endless days of no news just gets to me. I like being in the loop if you haven't figured that out. ;)

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be more activity in the sanctum than there has been so far. Hopefully once we bring in more membership and actually start working on designs it will inject more enthusiasm into the sanctum. :-)

[tcglkn]

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be more activity in the sanctum than there has been so far. Hopefully once we bring in more membership and actually start working on designs it will inject more enthusiasm into the sanctum. :-)

Put scapemage in there and you post count will double. :p

[IAmBatman]

Almost? ;-)

With me in there, you'd think post counts wouldn't be a problem ...

[tcglkn]

Almost? ;-)


I said will double. 8)

[Scapemage]

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be more activity in the sanctum than there has been so far. Hopefully once we bring in more membership and actually start working on designs it will inject more enthusiasm into the sanctum. :-)

Put scapemage in there and you post count will double. :p
:thumbsup: Supporting all your posting needs. :thumbsup:

[LordEsenwienIV]

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be more activity in the sanctum than there has been so far. Hopefully once we bring in more membership and actually start working on designs it will inject more enthusiasm into the sanctum. :-)

Put scapemage in there and you post count will double. :p
:thumbsup: Supporting all your posting needs. :thumbsup:

Make the sanctum a CoN add me and your posts will go up by 50 in one day:lol: And 200 in 2 weeks:lol:

[IAmBatman]

Almost? ;-)


I said will double. 8)

I was referring to this almost:


Last edited by tcglkn : Yesterday at 06:30 PM. Reason: I'm just kidding, I'm almost as bad as him.

[tcglkn]

Almost? ;-)


I said will double. 8)

I was referring to this almost:


Last edited by tcglkn : Yesterday at 06:30 PM. Reason: I'm just kidding, I'm almost as bad as him.


Oh I gotcha. Yea I am as bad. 8)

[IAmBatman]

OK, after much debate and discussion, we have our initial list of members to be added to the sanctum! (Contingent on the applicants pming me to accept their membership, at least. :-) ).
We may in time also look to add more to our Art Department (we were hoping for more applicants actually interested in putting cards together ... and don't yet have true need for sculptors/photographers) and we may in time look to add another Lead Playtester or two, depending on workload and who proves merit.
Anyhow, without further adieu, here are our selections! :-)

Design
lamaclown
GoodPig

ERB
nyys
ZBeeblebrox

Playtesting
Dredd Stev
tcglkn

Art
Boromir_and_Kermit

Editing
Xotli
Mooseman
Daddyscaper

Congrats to everyone who made the cut and for everyone who didn't, you definitely all made our decisions very tough! I hope that anyone who's expressed interest in the project so far will continue to be involved in the public side of the group and look for their opportunities to join the sanctum as members of the month in the future. :-)
Thanks everyone for your time and patience.

[quozl]

Congrats all!

[NecroBlade]

Congrats everyone. I was under the impression the lists were going to be bigger than that, though, or is that just not everyone yet?

[Sherman Davies]

Congrats everyone. I was under the impression the lists were going to be bigger than that, though, or is that just not everyone yet?


That's all for now, but as the project grows it'll probably require more members and not just the monthly, temporary kind.

[LordEsenwienIV]

Congrats everyone. I was under the impression the lists were going to be bigger than that, though, or is that just not everyone yet?


That's all for now, but as the project grows it'll probably require more members and not just the monthly, temporary kind.

So can anybody make a design?

[IAmBatman]

These additions put us up to 18 people currently in the Sanctum. At this point, we'll only expand as need requires it (oh, plus the members of the month getting access every month in pairs, of course).

[Grungebob]

Congrats everyone. I was under the impression the lists were going to be bigger than that, though, or is that just not everyone yet?


That's all for now, but as the project grows it'll probably require more members and not just the monthly, temporary kind.I think it would be kind of the best to be the "of the month" contributor. You have far less workload and get to enjoy the occasional collaborative endeavor.

Good job guys. I see some really great names on the list.

[tcglkn]

I accept. Now when do I give my long winded acceptance speech? Is there gonna be a special ceremony? ;) :lol:

[IAmBatman]

No. :-|

[Taeblewalker]

Congratulations.

[White Knight]

Congratulations!

[Griffin]

Congrats gang! Also, membership really extends beyond the sanctum. More than half of C3G's members are not in the sanctum, and they are truthfully the back bone of the project.

[tcglkn]

:word: I know we will need plenty of playtesters. That's an easy way to get a sneak peak at unreleased units as well. ;)

[Lord Pyre]

I should pay more attention over here, I've been too wrapped up in C3G. :p

Congrats guys! Looking forward to your ideas! ;)

EDIT: Quick question, is there going to be a "reward" thing for the playtesters and people like in C3G? It doesn't really look like it'd be needed over here (And it obviously wouldn't work the same way), but I was curious, as I hadn't seen anything about one.

[Griffin]

C3V MEMBERS LIST



C3V Designer's Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77)
Necroblade (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1508)
GreyOwl
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2515)
Sherman Davies
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2771)
Good Pig (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=8627)
Lamaclown (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=6491)C3V Executive Review Board (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=78)
1Mmirg (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1435)
Aldin (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1165)
Grungebob
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=4)
nyys (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2637)
ZBeeblebrox (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1118)C3V Editing Room (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=81)
Agent Minivann (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=156)
DaddyScaper (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1784)
Mooseman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1704)
Xotli (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1)C3V Art Department (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=82)
GreyOwl (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2515)
Boromir_and_kermit (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=778)
robbdaman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=3788)
Mooseman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1704)C3V Playtester's Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=80)
Dredd Stev (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2168)
Taeblewalker (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=94)
Viegon (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=11724)C3V Fiction Writer's Room (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=91)
Dredd Stev (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2168)
robbdaman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=3788)
Majora's Incarnation (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=8001)
Pumpkin_King (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=810)

C3V Promotions Department (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=91)

Chardar (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=8863)

[robbdaman]

Congrats to the new team members! :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer: Now make some new units! ;)

We may in time also look to add more to our Art Department (we were hoping for more applicants actually interested in putting cards together

That was one of the areas I wanted to help with, so let me know if you do need help. Preferably before B&K is :drowning: with work. :p

[IAmBatman]

Out of curiosity, what type of card making experience do you have and could you send GreyOwl or me any samples of your work? :-)

[Boromir_and_kermit]

I will accept my position, thanks guys. :D

Congratulations to those others who were chosen and commiserations to those who weren't.

Cheers,
Ben.

[whitestuff]

Congratulations to those others who were chosen and commiserations to those who weren't.
Agreed. With such big names on the list I'm looking forward to what they come up with...

[DragonSlayer2]

Congrats guys. Now I cant wait to see what you come up with. :popcorn:


DragonSlayer2

[Scapemage]

I didn't make it :(. Why so few people in each group?


EDIT: I'd be willing to make cards and take photos of hte minis that I do have (which isn't much DnD).

[Griffin]

I didn't make it :(. Why so few people in each group?

Did you see our inner sanctum membership list? It has 18 people in the sanctum! :shock: C3G has 10 and that can even get crowed at times.
C3V MEMBERS LIST

C3V Designers Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=77)
Griffin
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=5301)
GreyOwl
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2515)
Sherman Davies
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2771)
Good Pig (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=8627)
Lamaclown (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=6491)C3V Executive Review Board (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=78)
IAmBatman
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2108)
Grungebob
(http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=4)
1Mmirg (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1435)
nyys (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2637)
ZBeeblebrox (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1118)C3V Editing Room (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=81)
Agent Minivann (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=156)
DaddyScaper (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1784)
Mooseman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1704)
Xotli (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=1)C3V Art Department (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=82)
Boromir_and_kermit (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=778)C3V Playtester Corner (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=80)
Kinseth (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2509)
Dredd Stev (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2168)
tcglkn (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=8037)



EDIT: I'd be willing to make cards and take photos of hte minis that I do have (which isn't much DnD).
Do you have any experience in creating cards, and can you share your work with Me, GO, and Iam via PM?

[Lamaclown]

I am joyfully shocked and honored!
Congrats to all the others. Can't wait to work with you all!

[Dredd Stev]

Alright I'm in!

I most graciously accept the position! Look forward to running all the new creations through the gauntlet of play-testing!

Congrats to everyone that made it, and thanks for the opportunity to be involved in this project!

[Taeblewalker]

I would like to thank everyone for the commitment - especially the playtesters! It's a tedious task.

Kudos to Grungebob for lending some officiality to the ERB.

And a big shout out to Ken for representing the NYC faction!

[kolakoski]

I would like to thank everyone for the commitment - especially the playtesters! It's a tedious task.

Kudos to Grungebob for lending some officiality to the ERB.

And a big shout out to Ken for representing the NYC faction!

Sherman!

[Griffin]

I am joyfully shocked and honored!
Congrats to all the others. Can't wait to work with you all!
:Shock: You shouldn't be shocked, you have some great custom ideas that we want to poach. :D

[Taeblewalker]

I would like to thank everyone for the commitment - especially the playtesters! It's a tedious task.

Kudos to Grungebob for lending some officiality to the ERB.

And a big shout out to Ken for representing the NYC faction!

Sherman!

Yes, yes. Pardon my exuberance.

I am joyfully shocked and honored!
Congrats to all the others. Can't wait to work with you all!
:Shock: You shouldn't be shocked, you have some great custom ideas that we want to poach. :D

I am not at all surprised, Lamaclown. You do some great work.

[Xotli]

Thanks guys! I'm pleased to be part of the team.

Bats, did you say something about sending you a PM ... ? Is there an official acceptance procedure somewhere that I missed?

[Griffin]

Thanks guys! I'm pleased to be part of the team.

Bats, did you say something about sending you a PM ... ? Is there an official acceptance procedure somewhere that I missed?
Bats just wants to make sure that everyone who was voted in is paying attention and will submit their acceptance. Though, I think if he is willing to judge your involvement based on an announcement in this thread, you (everyone invited) should return the courtesy to him by letting him know you accept in this thread as well. Seems fair and no egos get hurt or inflated. ;)

Welcome aboard and come on in. :D

[Griffin]

Xotli, could you double check and make sure that the new members have access to the sanctum, I had a couple of comments sent to me via PM about access being denied. I would have handled it myself but that is not a power that I have as a Moderator. Thanks. :)

[tcglkn]

IAmBatman was added access as we PMed him. :shrug: My access is fine :D

[Griffin]

Hmmm.... we had agreed to just grant you guys access I thought. Perhaps Bats wants you guys to go through him for some reason. :reapershrug:

If I had the ability, access would have been granted and opened to everyone who was voted in the second the proposition was finalized. No need to "go through" anyone IMO, just come on in.

[Dredd Stev]

I still don't have access as of right now... I'll PM Bats and try again!

[tcglkn]

I think he just wants to make sure we accept, but I don't see why anyone wouldn't. I accidentally got C3G sanctum access as well. It's pretty tempting to take a peek in there. :p

[Dredd Stev]

Weird... someone wanna link me to the sanctum page?

[tcglkn]

C3V Sanctum (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=76)

[ZBeeblebrox]

Wow, I am also shocked ans honored to be part of this team. Congrats to all members that were chosen and thanks for the vote of confidence.

[IAmBatman]

Hey - sorry for the delays - I've been doing work all morning. I've added everyone to the Inner Sanctum who's been in this thread and commented or sent me a pm (the pm was really just for the sake of expediency) except Xotli, who doesn't need me to change his permissions. :-)
No formal anything or anything, I just figured we should make sure people are officially on board before we grant them access to the Inner Sanctum.
Still waiting to hear from Goodpig and Mooseman. Everybody else should (hopefully) have access by now!

[Mooseman]

Still waiting to hear from Goodpig and Mooseman. Everybody else should (hopefully) have access by now!I pm'ed you and you gave me access last night. If you still need to hear from me though here I am :)

[IAmBatman]

Ah, I forgot! :-) Thanks for the reminder, though! Looks like it's everyone but Goodpig so far then.

[Griffin]

I added GO to the Art Dept as he is in it as well as the Design Dept, because lets face it, that guy can do it all. :D Still though, B&K will be training and working with GO and I am hoping one more will be as well. ;)

[IAmBatman]

OK, Good Pig has access too, so the Inner Sanctum is all set for the moment. :-)

[1Mmirg]

I just wanted to add my congrats to everyone accepted and my thanks to all the applicants. I know that ERB had over 20 applicants, making choices extremely hard.

I hope to see this project grow and to see more and more solid members included. I wish we could have brought more of you in and look forward to your participation in playtests and other general threads. This project will work because of all Scapers, not just these initial 18.

Thanks for your excitement and support!

[Scapemage]

Do you have any experience in creating cards, and can you share your work with Me, GO, and Iam via PM?
Yes. Check your box.

[Good Pig]

Woohoo! Glad to be part of the team.

Do I get a shiny badge now?

[IAmBatman]

Sadly we don't have C3V badges yet ... Bunjee is, apparently, the go-to person on this site for such things and she's been incommunicado on the issue thus far ... I'll have to try getting in touch with her again soon.

[GreyOwl]

One more announcement, a late decision made after the previous big announcement:

Boromir_and_Kermit and I would like to invite and welcome robbdaman into the Art Team, if he chooses to accept. Please let us know, so we can get you the proper access.

[robbdaman]

One more announcement, a late decision made after the previous big announcement:

Boromir_and_Kermit and I would like to invite and welcome robbdaman into the Art Team, if he chooses to accept. Please let us know, so we can get you the proper access.

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I humbly accept! I look forward to helping in the process of making some great stuff. Where are the stats so I can make a card? What do you mean we haven't made any stats yet? :p

[Grungebob]

One more announcement, a late decision made after the previous big announcement:

Boromir_and_Kermit and I would like to invite and welcome robbdaman into the Art Team, if he chooses to accept. Please let us know, so we can get you the proper access.

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I humbly accept! I look forward to helping in the process of making some great stuff. Where are the stats so I can make a card? What do you mean we haven't made any stats yet? :pThis is a good choice. :up:

[GreyOwl]

Awesome! Welcome aboard! :) As soon as you get access to the inner sanctum, you can help as hash out the templates.

[PHippo]

Congrats to all those selected! When do you guys plan on starting the first designs?

[LordEsenwienIV]

Congrats to all those selected! When do you guys plan on starting the first designs?
Also, when do we get to start designing?


Will there be like in the C3G with Design Passes and Rewards?

[tcglkn]

Read the first post here. There is a Public Access plan for you guys to gain temporary access.

[IAmBatman]

Sorry for the delay - Robb, your access will be there in a jiff! :-)

[Griffin]

Congrats to Rob, I couldn't be happier about your inclusion! :D:up:

C3V Art Department (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=82)
GreyOwl (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=2515)
Boromir_and_kermit (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=778)
robbdaman (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/member.php?u=3788)

[ZBeeblebrox]

Congrats Robb!

[Xotli]

... except Xotli, who doesn't need me to change his permissions. :-)

Oh, sure, make me do all the work myself. :D I'll add myself here in a sec. (Be sure and let me know if there's someplace I shouldn't be adding myself to.)

Sadly we don't have C3V badges yet ... Bunjee is, apparently, the go-to person on this site for such things and she's been incommunicado on the issue thus far ... I'll have to try getting in touch with her again soon.

If you can't get hold of bunjee, you could try Malechi or hextr1p for the graphics, and maybe I could work out how to turn it into a badge.

[robbdaman]

Thanks guys! Always nice to be chosen, gives me that warm fuzzy feeling. :grouphug: Nice to have a :gb: thumbs up too. :D

[Scapemage]

Read the first post here. There is a Public Access plan for you guys to gain temporary access.
Cool!

[Taeblewalker]

One more announcement, a late decision made after the previous big announcement:

Boromir_and_Kermit and I would like to invite and welcome robbdaman into the Art Team, if he chooses to accept. Please let us know, so we can get you the proper access.

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I humbly accept! I look forward to helping in the process of making some great stuff. Where are the stats so I can make a card? What do you mean we haven't made any stats yet? :p

Very cool! 8)

[IAmBatman]

... except Xotli, who doesn't need me to change his permissions. :-)

Oh, sure, make me do all the work myself. :D I'll add myself here in a sec. (Be sure and let me know if there's someplace I shouldn't be adding myself to.)

Oh, sorry, thought you could see it automatically. :-P And don't worry, nowhere you shouldn't be looking ... except maybe C3G. ;-)

Sadly we don't have C3V badges yet ... Bunjee is, apparently, the go-to person on this site for such things and she's been incommunicado on the issue thus far ... I'll have to try getting in touch with her again soon.

If you can't get hold of bunjee, you could try Malechi or hextr1p for the graphics, and maybe I could work out how to turn it into a badge.

I'm going to try her again after the holiday and if I can't get ahold of her, I'll talk to the guys. Thanks. :-)

[GreyOwl]

I'm sure one of us could make the actual graphic for you too, if needed.

[tcglkn]

I'm sure one of us could make the actual graphic for you too, if needed.

I could, its a simple grey box with colored text. :shrug: Anyone with basic PhotoShop skills could throw a graphic like that together.

[robbdaman]

Yeah making a graphic like that is easy, not 100% sure of the font and all but does that really matter?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/Misc/Classiccustoms.gif

[IAmBatman]

It looks right ... but how do we set it up to give it to people? :-P

[robbdaman]

It looks right ... but how do we set it up to give it to people? :-P

You're an Admin, you tell me. ;)

[tcglkn]

Do we not want it to read C3V Customs? I think that is more descriptive of what the badge is for.

[IAmBatman]

Heh. I'm a newb Admin. :-P I was hoping Xotli might know.

[IAmBatman]

Do we not want it to read C3V Customs? I think that is more descriptive of what the badge is for.

That would make more sense. I wish the C3G ones just read C3G.

[tcglkn]

Do we not want it to read C3V Customs? I think that is more descriptive of what the badge is for.

That would make more sense. I wish the C3G ones just read C3G.

Well when you figure out how to change them, just get robb to throw one together for you. 8)

[robbdaman]

Do we not want it to read C3V Customs? I think that is more descriptive of what the badge is for.

That would make more sense. I wish the C3G ones just read C3G.

:stir:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/Misc/C3Vcustoms.gif

[GreyOwl]

Yeah, let's just change both while we're at it. :shrug:

[IAmBatman]

Heh. I can't even figure out how to make a forum private right now ... oye!

[robbdaman]

Try not to break the forum playing around. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/robbdaman/Misc/C3Gcustoms.gif

[tcglkn]

He might. :p Those badges look great robb. Now I see why your on the Art team.

[Xotli]

Oh, sorry, thought you could see it automatically. :-P

Actually, usually admins can see everywhere, but whoever set up the C3V private section cleverly set it up so that even admins don't see it. Of course, we could just go in and give ourselves permission, but we don't do things like that. :)

And don't worry, nowhere you shouldn't be looking ... except maybe C3G. ;-)

Oh, sure, I don't mess about in there. ;)

Heh. I'm a newb Admin. :-P I was hoping Xotli might know.

I didn't, but I poked around tonight and found it. Answered your thread in the admin section.

[IAmBatman]

Sweet. I do have some more questions for you though as I try to stumble through this. :-) (I'll talk to you over there!)

[Lord Pyre]

Sweet. I do have some more questions for you though as I try to stumble through this. :-) (I'll talk to you over there!)

I love all the C3V guys new titles... ;)

[IAmBatman]

Yeah yeah working on it ... :-P

[IAmBatman]

Please welcome Chardar to the group as our new Director of Promotions! And check out his "Premature PreRelease Speculation Thread! (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=33762)"

[Griffin]

Glad to have you on board Chardar. I know you will handle the job with a spirit of excellence and honor. :up:

[GreyOwl]

Updated the member list to include our newest member in the Art Team - Mooseman! Welcome to the team! :)

[IAmBatman]

Woot. :-)

[Lamaclown]

Woo hoo!
Welcome to the team, Mooseman!

[Griffin]

Welcome on Mooseman, and thanks for your most recent and generous contribution to the Art team. :toast: