Sucker Punch!

[Yodaking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5RaZupoO4

Just saw this trailer online today and thought I would share it with this community. I don't know much about the movie but several elements reminded me of Heroscape. A dragon, WWII soldiers, a giant troll like samuri carring a chain gun, ect. Just a cool mix of lots of stuff.

[Taeblewalker]

Don't forget to mention all the legs. That was some trailer.

[screwDriver]

Seen that trailer a month or so ago. Been waiting for it since. In the meantime, while waiting for the Master Set, we can look forward to the booster pack coming early this December... starring Dead Eye Dan, Guilty McCreech, James Murphy,Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan, Ninjas of the Northern Wind, and perhaps the Kozuke Samurai. :lol: Hehehe, it's cowboys vs ninjas.

The Warrior's Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2wJyFGl74)

Pardon the hijack. But both are just Heroscapeish.

[Onion Knight]

Don't forget Cowboys vs Aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHhnT1tHNM)...

[Taeblewalker]

Don't forget Cowboys vs Aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHhnT1tHNM)...

I've seen that; it looked pretty good! But I thought it was Cowboys and Aliens.

[Onion Knight]

Don't forget Cowboys vs Aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHhnT1tHNM)...

I've seen that; it looked pretty good! But I thought it was Cowboys and Aliens.

Indeed it is! It looks awesome and Daniel Craig looks like Guilty McCreech.

[hextr1p]

"Sucker Punch" looks to be 'effing brilliant. Add to that the film is being directed by Zack Snyder, the same guy who directed the 'Dawn of the Dead' remake, '300', and 'Watchmen'. So it's pretty much going to ooze with his amazing visual style.

[ollie]

Wow, dragons, samurai, robots, explosions,... but you know what was most exciting?

The asylum sign saying "Brattleboro Vermont". It looks a little like "The Retreat" too, which is some sort of psychiatric hospital/recuperation facility in Brattleboro.

So that's another thing that this movie has in common with Heroscape: it mainly occurs (for me) in the Brattleboro area. :up:

[hextr1p]

Only a matter of time once the movie is released that I'm going to look into making customs of Babydoll and crew. Pretty much HAS to happen. ;)

[Taeblewalker]

Only a matter of time once the movie is released that I'm going to look into making customs of Babydoll and crew. Pretty much HAS to happen. ;)

I watched the trailer again, and I must repeat: legs.

['Scaper94]

Ok, I really want to see this one. The fact that it is very similar to Heroscape has my attention. The fact that all of the heroes are hot chicks is just icing on the cake!:D

[winonavampire]

This movie was awesome! The visuals and cinematography was amazing, the sound track was epic.

This also had probably the most chilling beginning to a movie I have ever seen. After the first five or six minutes of the movie, I literally had goosebumps.

[Schulzy]

Do not see this movie. The cool visuals are not worth it.

['Scaper94]

Do not see this movie. The cool visuals are not worth it.Ahh, but the storyline and female characters win over my attention.;) I still really want to see this movie, even if the visuals aren't great.

[winonavampire]

Do not see this movie. The cool visuals are not worth it.Ahh, but the storyline and female characters win over my attention.;) I still really want to see this movie, even if the visuals aren't great.

See this movie. It is a two hour eye candy movie... and if you pay attention, there is a deeper story then hot girls in mini skirts with swords and guns.

But man, the hot girls in mini skirts with swords and guns make the story even more fun to watch!

[Orcs Blade]

The video isn't working anymore (for me anyway). It says that it was removed from youtube. So I looked up the official trailer. :D Looks pretty awesome. :thumbsup: Don't really get the plot though...

[Schulzy]

My opinion, just to back up my brief yet scathing review above. Legit spoiler alert, so don't venture forth unless you've seen it, aren't planning on seeing it, or don't care about spoilers.


The visuals were amazing, they really were. The fantasy/action sequences were great and if I had the option of splicing those together to make a movie, I would.

But the plot outside of the action sequences was so depressing. I was hoping for a nice popcorn munching flick, not something that made me want to jump off of a bridge. It all belonged to a different movie, in my opinion.

And the ending was so lame. I don't want to follow one character around and then all of a sudden, it's "not her story". Except that none if it is anyone's story, it's all a crazy girl's fantasy that ends with her getting a needle jammed into her brain. It's basically an "it was all a dream" ending, which pisses me off.

All in all, I was expecting a fairly bad, yet super entertaining ramp-up to the summer blockbuster season. Instead, all the cool stuff I was looking forward to was poisoned by depressing, confusing, and fairly boring and poorly acted stuff.

[winonavampire]

My opinion, as soon as I make sure I have the spoiler tags right.

spoiler test

You got it...

[Manatee]

I just saw it last night and was a bit mixed.

On the plus side, as noted: the fight sequences; the music; the opening and closing bits on defining the hero (more of that and I'd have used this movie in my mythology classes); having the courage to go through with what they did to Baby Doll at the end; just the overall look/feel of the movie.

On the negative side: the framework fantasy needed a clearer explanation (is Baby Doll psychotic? Is the brothel/burlesque show just her coping mechanism?)--but this is a biggie, as it's the central conceit of the movie.

[RabSheila]

The only thing I know is that I wished they would have shown Babydoll’s dance in the brothel world that had everybody mesmerized.

That must have been some dance.

[winonavampire]

Hmmm, I didn't find the movie nearly as depressing as everyone else.

Yeah, it sucks for Baby Doll, but the way I see it, she was atoning for what she accidentally did to her sister (and for what happened to Rocket "under her watch").

I guess I like a good martyr story.

[Schulzy]

Hmmm, I didn't find the movie nearly as depressing as everyone else.

Yeah, it sucks for Baby Doll, but the way I see it, she was atoning for what she accidentally did to her sister (and for what happened to Rocket "under her watch").

I guess I like a good martyr story.




Her step father killed her sister and blamed it on her. The bullet from the gun was clearly shown hitting the lightbulb.

[winonavampire]

Hmmm, I didn't find the movie nearly as depressing as everyone else.

Yeah, it sucks for Baby Doll, but the way I see it, she was atoning for what she accidentally did to her sister (and for what happened to Rocket "under her watch").

I guess I like a good martyr story.




Her step father killed her sister and blamed it on her. The bullet from the gun was clearly shown hitting the lightbulb.




You know, I thought that at first but then listening to other people talk it sounded like the other way.

[RabSheila]

Hmmm, I didn't find the movie nearly as depressing as everyone else.

Yeah, it sucks for Baby Doll, but the way I see it, she was atoning for what she accidentally did to her sister (and for what happened to Rocket "under her watch").

I guess I like a good martyr story.




Her step father killed her sister and blamed it on her. The bullet from the gun was clearly shown hitting the lightbulb.




You know, I thought that at first but then listening to other people talk it sounded like the other way.



I thought it was a ricochet fired from Baby’s gun that killed her sister.

[Manatee]

That's an interesting twist; I didn't see anything that led me to believe that Baby Doll did it and not her step-father.

Regarding the dancing: I think it's better without it (it makes the fantasy-within-the-fantasy more crucial, and there's nothing that actor could have done to convince us that her dancing was all that).

[winonavampire]

That's an interesting twist; I didn't see anything that led me to believe that Baby Doll did it and not her step-father.

Regarding the dancing: I think it's better without it (it makes the fantasy-within-the-fantasy more crucial, and there's nothing that actor could have done to convince us that her dancing was all that).


The thing is, the dad never had the gun. I need to watch it again, but it really felt like Baby Doll accidentally killed her sister.

[RabSheila]

Yeah, I thought the bullet punctured a pipe, shattered a lightbulb and was all over the place. Ending up in her sister. It's a good thing she aimed better in the dream world then she did in the real one or she might've shot Blondie, Amber, etc.

[winonavampire]

Man... this means I have to watch it again...


Shucks.

['Scaper94]

I saw it today. Loved it!The idea of the Steampunk Nazi zombies was interesting. I found the story to be depressing as well. I was also really surprised at how little dialogue the girls had, especially Babydoll.

And I remembered to remember how the sister was killed. Babydoll had the gun, missed her stepfather, and hit the lightbulb. So there are three possible ways she died:
1) A shard of glass hit her directly.
2) A shard hit the pipe and ricocheted off.
3) The bullet ricocheted and hit her.

Another thing I found cool was that the backround music of the dreams was the music she was dancing to.

[Schulzy]

I find it much easier to believe that the step father killed her and blamed it on Baby Doll.

[RabSheila]

I find it much easier to believe that the step father killed her and blamed it on Baby Doll.

Accidentally killing her sister might have been some of the incentive for her making fantasy worlds. It made it easier for her to cope with the horror of what she had done by retreating into HeroScape-like worlds instead of facing her action. (As well as coping with her upcoming lobotomy and her surroundings.)

['Scaper94]

Heroscape makes everything better.

[RabSheila]

Heroscape makes everything better.

I know I feel better retreating into a game of "Scape after I "accidentally" grease somebody. Why, just the other day, I shot this...huh?...*cough*...uh...never mind.

[winonavampire]

Just found out, youtube has the entire intro to Sucker Punch.

Sucker Punch Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSG-6xc-T4U&feature=related)


Watching it again, I am absolutely convinced Baby Doll accidentally killed her sister.

['Scaper94]

I got 7/9 of the songs from the movie on my iPod on Saturday! Love 'em!The composer did a great job of combining rock with synth with orchestra. The song selections with the adjusted tones also do wonders to emphasize what's happening in the movie at different times.

[Schulzy]

Just found out, youtube has the entire intro to Sucker Punch.

Sucker Punch Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSG-6xc-T4U&feature=related)


Watching it again, I am absolutely convinced Baby Doll accidentally killed her sister.


Bolding my point:


I think I'll concede the point, though I'm still not 100% sold.

Logically, she couldn't have done it. I find it a major stretch that the bullet ricocheted like that. There's nothing behind the light bulb to even bounce off of, nevermind that bullet physics don't really work like that. But the movie seems to want it to have happened that way, or at least wants it to be an ambiguous toss up between Baby Doll and the step-father having done it.

Either way, I thought this movie was pretty bad, given that a major plot point like that is this unclear. Zack Snyder seems to think that ambiguity and vagueness mean that Sucker Punch is "deep" and "open to interpretation." Also, the ending is a f*@&ing kick in the face to viewers, IMO.

Christopher Nolan had it right with Inception. I'd much rather debate on the ending to a good movie, rather than the beginning of a bad one.

[Manatee]

I find it much easier to believe that the step father killed her and blamed it on Baby Doll.

That's why I posted what I posted above. Given the rest of his actions at the hospital/brothel, this just felt right.

[Manatee]

Just found out, youtube has the entire intro to Sucker Punch.

Sucker Punch Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSG-6xc-T4U&feature=related)


Watching it again, I am absolutely convinced Baby Doll accidentally killed her sister.


Thanks for posting the link--I wouldn't have guessed that that big a chunk of the movie would be on Youtube.

Watching it again, I completely agree with you. When I saw it in theaters, I was totally convinced that it was the dad who killed her--either in breaking down the closet door or once he was in. Watching it again, it seems pretty clear that Baby Doll's at fault.

I guess I'd make a lousy witness.

[BurnyFlame]

For any one interested in Sucker Punch, here are some customs based on the movie's characters.

Sucker Punch HeroScape Cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36916)

Now, back to reality.

[Rogue A$$asSIN]

Rented this, walk out of room around 38min 50sec. My son liked it but I like he likes boobs.

[Yodaking]

Just watched it and these are my thoughts.

The story is broken down into 3 different levels, the asylum, the club, & the crazy battle world. Forget the first two levels, the 3rd level was quite satisfying to watch. It is a fantasy/sci-fi/ninja/WWII/Special forces mish-mash of mayhem. If has a lot of cool little things going on that I won't go into detail on. A Heroscape vibe is present in the combat and a few of the building models reminded me of some WH40K/WH/LOTR set-ups I've seen, which appeals the gamer in me. Unfortunately those few segments only make up for a small portion of the movie and are not really connected together in any coherent way.

The first two levels are nothing to remember. I did like how several of the characters appear in multiple levels though. They would have been better off just trying to come up with a liner story line that took place entirely in the 3rd level though and abandoned the 'inner minds eye experience at a nut house' concept.

[yagyuninja]

I agree Yodaking. I was just telling my wife yesterday (who didn't see it) that I would have enjoyed it if it only included that thrid level stuff.

[winonavampire]

I'm gonna have to (respectively) disagree with you guys. First though, I agree with the third level being awesome. It was insane video game/music video segments that were just plain fun to watch.

However, where I disagree is that levels one and two weren't worth while. There was so much story in those levels it took the movie from just a plain action movie to a movie with depth. It gave the main characters (Baby Doll, Sweet Pea and Rocket at least) back ground and reasons for why they did what they did. Amber and Blondie were just added eye candy. (Not that I was disappointed about that either.)


*disclaimer* I would hope if you are reading this thread you have already seen it and wouldn't be upset about spoilers, but... as they say, CYA

The first level (Asylum) was the reality. Baby Doll had something terrible happen and had real world consequences. The terrible people in the real world (notice they were all authority figures) made it into level two. That is why Blue, The Chef, Orderly (Mayor) and the Lobotomist (High Roller) all had counterparts in the Club.

The club was a scared, fractured girl's attempt to make sense of her world. Was she mentally ill by this point? I don't think so. I think, based on the sacrifice at the end, she was completely sane all the way through the movie. The "club" level was just her coping. Just like we delve into HeroScape or Magic or any of the other games we play to de-stress and cope with the world. Hers was just a little more extreme.


I know I won't convince you guys to like the movie, and that isn't really my attempt. I just wanted to point out there was more to the movie then the action scenes and the "plot" levels did have their merit in telling the story.

One final thing, not sure if you guys are watching the theatrical release or the director's cut extended edition, the extended edition has a bit more back ground to tell the story even more. (Plus the action scene have been extended as well.) If you haven't seen the extended edition, I would highly recommend it.

Oh, and one more thing. Don't ever write a check with your mouth you can't cash with your ass.

[BurnyFlame]

And as mentioned earlier, the music is hands-down the greatest soundtrack I have ever heard! I was listening to it the whole time I was designing my Sucker Punch HeroScape Cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36916), which I have to finish at some point.

[winonavampire]

And as mentioned earlier, the music is hands-down the greatest soundtrack I have ever heard! I was listening to it the whole time I was designing my Sucker Punch HeroScape Cards (http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?t=36916), which I have to finish at some point.

I agree, this CD has been in my car since the day I saw Sucker Punch in the theater.

Emily Browning has an incredible voice and brings so much to the songs she sings!

['Scaper94]

I have a theory about the intro:

The bullet shattered the bulb, right? Then it shows the scene with the metal pipe leaking water/air/pressure of some sort. It could very well be that it wasn't the bullet that pierced the pipe, but a shard of glass instead. That would show how strong and/or deadly the glass was, reinforcing the fact that the shattered glass killed the sister.

It's just a theory, but I think it's plausible.

[Lord Pyre]

I know this is a necro, but I finally saw this movie, and I loved it. I didn't even realize it was Snyder until I started it. VERY much his style, which I love!

Just watched it and these are my thoughts.

The story is broken down into 3 different levels, the asylum, the club, & the crazy battle world. Forget the first two levels, the 3rd level was quite satisfying to watch. It is a fantasy/sci-fi/ninja/WWII/Special forces mish-mash of mayhem. If has a lot of cool little things going on that I won't go into detail on. A Heroscape vibe is present in the combat and a few of the building models reminded me of some WH40K/WH/LOTR set-ups I've seen, which appeals the gamer in me. Unfortunately those few segments only make up for a small portion of the movie and are not really connected together in any coherent way.

The first two levels are nothing to remember. I did like how several of the characters appear in multiple levels though. They would have been better off just trying to come up with a liner story line that took place entirely in the 3rd level though and abandoned the 'inner minds eye experience at a nut house' concept.

I actually have to disagree. The action scenes were the most boring to me. Yeah, it was cool action and whatnot, but they were too long, and distracted from the real world action. (I loved the train part though. Seeing those robots sliced to pieces.... nice....). It was just her fantasies, and nothing more. Unfortunately they were the huge selling point of the film, and had to play it up.

About Schulzy's dislikes... Snyder told us all exactly how this was going to play out before we even watch the movie. We went in expecting a cheesy sexy action flick, and that's really not what we got. Snyder sucker punched us all.

And about the story not being about the main character, right at the beginning that was told, too. When she was being shown around the asylum, and then it was Sweet Pea in the lobotomy chair suddenly, on center stage. It was a foreshadowing of things to come.

[screwDriver]

I personally think this movie was purely eye-candy. And I don't mean cleavage and legs only but those were really some creative imagery and really well executed special effects and digital imaging. The story, however, felt like an ant diving down a inch high of puddle. Looks deep but it's really still shallow. But, heck, a giant samurai warrior with a gatling gun... I'm sold. Hehehe.

[Lord Pyre]

I personally think this movie was purely eye-candy. And I don't mean cleavage and legs only but those were really some creative imagery and really well executed special effects and digital imaging. The story, however, felt like an ant diving down a inch high of puddle. Looks deep but it's really still shallow. But, heck, a giant samurai warrior with a gatling gun... I'm sold. Hehehe.

I disagree. :) Like I said, the action scenes I thought were boring compared to the rest of the film.

Anyway, here's a great article on why I like it (Plus a ton of stuff I didn't even see in the film, that make total sense :) )

http://worddoodling.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/why-sucker-punch-is-smarter-than-you-think/

[screwDriver]

Inception was planting an idea by the way of invading one's thought through their dreams. And hatching an elaborate plan by dreaming within a dream within a dream. When everything was done, all they really did was gave the man a different perspective of the future.

Sucker Punch was a bunch of lunatics hatching an escape and imagining each event was an intricate, incredible and fantastical scenario. It is smart that they show us chicks going against Nazi-zombies with all those dirigibles, bombers, and a dragon instead of a chick sneaking into a room to steal a map. When everything was done, they just stole a bunch of items but want's everyone to believed they went through Scylla and Charybdis.

I guess we can agree to disagree with each other. As I personally don't buy what the article says about the film. For example...
2. Sucker Punch’s Characters are Multifaceted in Their Flatness
I wonder if the author had ever been to an asylum (not necessarily as a patient)... he would have understood that there was nothing "flat" about someone who is insane and they are really multifaceted in their insanity but everyone else know there really is nothing in there.

I hope I didn't offend any body but I still believe it's all about eye-candy. ;)

[Lord Pyre]

The people themselves weren't flat, but as they were presented as characters in the film, there wasn't a lot going for any of them.

We can agree to disagree, it's fine. :) I thought it was a cool movie, deep in ways I liked, plus an awesome soundtrack.

(I personally didn't even find any of the girls that attractive. :p Aside from Jenna Malone, who I've liked since Donnie Darko. :D )